05/11/21 05/11/21 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> why did you kill him? they kill and there's no one to make them answer. the whole world is watching. there's no one to hold him accountable for it. therefore does not matter if they kill a child. amy: israeli airstrikes have killed at least 26 palestinians in gaza, including nine children as tension escalates

dramatically in the region following weeks of palestinian protests in jerusalem. israeli security forces raided the al aqsa mosque, injuring hundreds of worshippers. hamas responded by firing rockets into israel. we will go to gaza and jerusalem for the latest. then we look back 36 years to the day when a philadelphia police helicopter dropped a bomb on the home of move, a radical black liberation organization. >> let's take a careful look at this. state police helicopter -- there is the explosion. as you can see, a very dramatic explosion that occurs 30 seconds and rips into the move compound. amy: the bombing killed 11 people, including five children. but the tragedy didn't end on that day. we will look at how princeton and the university of pennsylvania have used bones from one or two of the merger children in their classes for years -- murdered children in

their classes for years. >> they've been holding onto the remains of two children, two like children, for over 36 years. amy: all of that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. israeli airstrikes have killed at least 26 palestinians in the gaza strip, including nine children, as tension in the region has escalated sharply over the past day. in one incident, seven members of a single family in gaza were killed, including three children. >> what happened here is we were sitting outside the house, waiting for them breaking the fast. how is this the children's fault? girls between seven and nine have been killed.

how is this their fault? we were just sitting outside waiting for the call to prayer. amy: the attacks came after 700 palestinians were injured in jerusalem and the west bank by israeli security forces on monday, including a violent crackdown inside the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem, the third holiest site in islam. hamas responded by firing hundreds of rockets into israel. no deaths were reported but police said over two dozen people were injured. the tension in jerusalem has been mounting for weeks as palestinians have been organizing to block israel from forcibly evicting dozens of palestinians in the sheikh jarrah neighborhood of jerusalem to give their homes to jewish settlers. after headlines, we'll go to gaza and jerusalem for the latest. india reported another 330,000 coronavirus cases tuesday and nearly 4000 additional deaths, though the true tolls are likely to be far higher. dozens of bodies of covid 19

victims have washed up on the banks of the ganges river in recent days. residents said desperate relatives disposed of the bodies in the river after they couldn't find a cremation site with open space or could not afford to buy wood for a funeral pyre. on monday, the world health organization declared a new, potentially more transmissible coronavirus lineage circulating widely in india is a variant of concern. in the czech republic, mourners lit nearly 30,000 candles monday at prague castle to commemorate the number of victims who've fallen to covid-19. the czech republic has the second-highest per capita death toll in the world from covid, after hungary. worldwide cases have edged down from record highs set in april, but remain at a dangerous, high plateau. case rates are highest in countries with low vaccination rates. in geneva, world health organization director-general tedros adhanom ghebreyesus called monday on wealthy nations to stop hoarding vaccine doses at the expense of poorer

countries. >> the shocking global disparity and access to vaccines remains one of the biggest risks to ending the pandemic. i and up her middle income countries represent 53% of the world population but have received 83% of the world vaccines. by contrast, low and lower middle income countries account for 47% of the worlds population but have received just 17% of the world ccines. amy: covid-19 cases continue to fall across the united states as more of the population is vaccinated. more than of u.s. residents have half received at least one vaccine dose, and the number testing positive each day has fallen below 40,000 for the first time since september. the food and drug administration

monday granted emergen use authorization to pfizer's covid-19 vaccine for children as young as 12. this is acting fda commissioner dr. janet woodcock. >> we know this is a big step for our country, vaccinating a younger population brings us closer to returning to a sense of normalcy and ending the pandemic. amy: the pentagon says a u.s. coast guard ship fired warning shots at irani speedboat monday as they approached u.s. navy ships escorting a nuclear submarine through the strait of hormuz. it was the third encounter between u.s. and iranian ships in the past month. the naval tensions came as dozens of democratic officials wrote to president biden asking him to revive the 2015 nuclear agreement with iran, which former president trump withdrew from in 2018. the officials demand the lifting of trump-era sanctions, writing -- "the only result has been a vastly expanded iranian nuclear program, increased regional instability, near u.s.-iran war on multiple occasions, and severe economic sanctions that have contributed to a dire humanitarian crisis inside iran."

in colombia, as massive anti-government protests continue for a second week, the city of cali has become the epicenter of skyrocketing violence against demonstrators by police and vigilantes. on sunday, over a dozen protesters were wounded after they were attacked by unknown armed assailants who demanded protesters end the blockade of highways during a series of indigenous-led actions in cali. right-wing president iván duque monday announced more security forces would be deployed to cali. he urged indigenous leaders to leave the city. this is one of the indigenous protesters. >> the president has been making changes, but benefiting corporations. amy: nationwide protests started on april 28 against a now-withdrawn tax reform proposed by duque and have continued to grow amid increasing poverty, inequity and

police brutality in colombia. this is a member of the national strike committee speaking from bogotá. >> one of the basic guarantees we asked for was respect for the constitutional rights of peaceful protest, simple social right. on the contrary, the discourse was permissive for the excess of the security forces. amy: in mexico city, hundreds of mothers whose children have been disappeared led a massive march monday to commemorate mother's day and to urge the government take immediate action against violence and to find missing people. since the u.s.-backed war on drugs was unleashed in mexico in 2006, over 85,000 people have disappeared. this is marisol, one of the mothers.de >> the government never told me, i am sorry for what happened to you. they have never apologized to us. they are the ones responsible for allowing this situation to continue escalating.

the statistics and missing people go up every day. 531 people disappeared in 2020. amy: in morocco-occupied western sahara, dozens of masked agents broke into the home of renowned sahrawi activist sultana khaya early monday morning and detained three well-known human rights defenders. the activists say they were taken to the police station in the city of boujdour, tortured for two hours, and then driven to a remote location in the desert where they were dumped. the raid follows months of harassment and assaults against sultana and her family in and around their home, where sultana has been held under house arrest since november 19. it's part of a wider moroccan crackdown on saharawi activists this week. this comes after axios reported secretary of state tony blinken told morocco's foreign minister during a phone call in late april that the biden administration would not reverse president trump's recognition of morocco's sovereignty over the western sahara. the state department has not

confirmed the report. morocco has occupied western sahara since 1975 in defiance of the united nations and international law. u.s. recognition came as morocco agreed to establish diplomatic relations with israel. to see our documentary on western sahara, go to democracynow.org. in italy, more than 2000 refugees -- mostly from sub-saharan africa, pakistan, and syria -- have arrived on the mediterranean island of lampedusa within the past day. hundreds of the asylum-seekers were forced to sleep on an open-air dock after the cal sheltesurpassed its capacity. hundreds more have been quantined til they're tested for covid-. this comes as at least five refugees died sunday after their boat capsized off the libyan coast as they attempted to reach europe. a humanitarian aid group said there could be a newborn baby among the dead. in russia, at least nine people were killed and 13 others hospitalized after a pair of gunmen reportedly opened fire at

a school in the city of kazan. russian media reported one of the shooters, believed to be a teenager, was arrested by police while another attacker was shot dead by security forces. school shootings are very rare in russia. immediately after tuesday's assault, russian president vladimir putin said he had ordered ruia's government to immediately begin work on tightening gun ownership regulations. "the washington post" is reporting trump's justice department secretly obtained the phone records, and attempted to get email records, of journalists reporting on the investigation into russian interference in the presidential election. the justice department sent three separate letters earlier this month addressed to three "washington post" journalists, notifying them the department had received records associated with their telephone numbers from between april 2017 and june 2017. this comes as press freedom groups are denouncing the biden administration for defending trump's move against "the

washington post" journalists and the u.s. governments ongoing push to extradite julian assange from britain. the head of instagram has apologized after the social media platform deleted posts supporting a national day of awareness for missing and murdered indigenous women, girls, and two-spirit people. a spokesperson from facebook, which owns instagram, blamed a global thnical iss but did noprovide rther detas. meanwhile, attorneys general from 44 u.s. states and territories wrote to facebook monday, urging ceo mark zuckerberg to scrap plans to launch a version of instagram marketed at children younger than 13. the attorney general wrote -- "use of social media can be detrimental to the health and well-being of children, who are not equipped to navigate the challenges of having a social media account." the biden administration announced monday it's

reinstating discrimination protections for transgender people accessing healthcare, reversing an anti-trans trump-era policy. the move prohibits health care providers that receive federal funding from discriminating against people based on their gender identity or sexual orientation, extending from an anti-discrimination clause that is already included in the affordable care act. california governor gavin newsom has expanded a drought emergency to 39 more counties after the spring snowpack in the sierra nevadas measured well below historical averages. several other western states are also reporting drohts. this follows a record-shattering 2020 fire season along the west coast, fueled by the climate crisis. in louisiana, dozens of climate activists with the sunrise movement have begun a 400-mile march from new orleans to houston, texas, demanding lawmakers pass a civilian climate corps and provide millions of climate-friendly jobs as part of president biden's $2.3 trillion infrastructure plan.

and in new york on the federal trial against environmental and human rights lawyer began monday. don zager has been on house arst for over 600 days in allegations of contempt of court. in 2013, he won a landmark $.5 billion judgment against oil giant chevron over the corporations dumping of 16 billion gallons of oil into the ecuadorian amazon. he has since been disbarred and says chevron's legal attacks on him are meant to silence critics and stop other lawsuits against the company for environmental damage. democracy now! spoke to him in march. >> chevron destroyed the gregorian amazon and i was part of a legal team that helped hold the company accountable. what cheon did is rather than pay the judgment it owes to the thousands of people in ecuador

they poisoned, it has gone after me and other lawyers. amy: the outlet, dreams recently reported the trial is being overseen i rightly judge, a member of the federalist society. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. when we come back, israeli airstrikes. tension escalates dramatically. we will go to jerusalem and gaza. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: "the long march" by le trio joubran. this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman in new york, joined by my co-host juan gonzález in new brunswick, new jersey. hi, juan. juan: hi, amy. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: we begin today's show in

gaza, where israeli airstrikes have killed at least 26 palestinians, including nine children, as tension in the region escalates sharply in the past day. in one incident, seven members of a single family in gaza died, including three children. meanwhile, over 700 palestinians were hurt in jerusalem and the west bank by israeli security forces on monday. hundreds were injured when israeli forces stormed the al-aqsa mosque, the third holiest site in islam. hamas responded by firing hundreds of rockets into israel. no deaths were reported but police said over two dozen people were injured. hamas leader ismail haniyeh warned rocket attacks would continue until israel stops "all scenes of terrorism and aggression in jerusalem and al-aqsa mosque." the tension in jerusalem has been mounting for weeks as palestinians have been protesting israel's plans to forcibly evict dozens of palestinians in the sheikh jarrah neighborhood of jerusalem

to give their homes to jewish settlers. a court hearing on the ections scheduled for monday was postponed. the united nations has described the planned eviction as a possible war crime. in gaza, families have started to bury the dead after monday's airstrikes. survivors described the airstrikes killing young children. >> what happened here is we were sitting outside the house waiting for the breaking of the fast. an eight-month-old child was killed. mohammed was getting married and was killed. girls between the ages of seven and nine have been killed. how is this their fault? we were just sitting outside the house waiting for the call to prayer. amy: israeli knesset member ahamd tibi blamed israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu for the violent escalation which comes as netanyahu is fighting for his political life. >> somebody is responsible for

the escalation. [indiscernible] we are here to stand with the palestinians. east jerusalem is an occupied city. amy: we are joined now by two guests. orly noy, israeli political activist and editor of the hebrew-which new site local call. she is also a member of b'tselem's executive board. and from gaza city, raji sourani, award-winning human rights lawyer and director of the palestinian center for human rights in gaza. he is the 2013 right livelihood award laureate. it is on the executive board of the international federation for

human rights, received the robert f kennedy human rights award in 1991. he was twice named an amnesty international prisoner of conscience. raji sourani, let's go do you first in gaza. the latest numbers we have, 26 people, palestinians come have been killed. among them, a number of children. can you describe the scene on the ground? >> thank you, amy. it is very hard. it is colletti. in 24 hours, the destruction is unprecedented and just reminds us what has happened in 2014, 2008. this time it seems it is much more tougher than has been before.

they are bombing. it hasn't stopped since yesterday to this moment. and every moment, i mean, the situation we are having more killings, more injuries. civilians and civilian targets. we have occupation. we have the blockade for the last 14 years. we have the pandemic. and now we have this war against gaza and civilians and civilian targets. [indiscernible]

violate international law and humanitarian law which is there to protect civilians at a time of war. they do not respect that in gaza or jerusalem or any palestinian territories. this is a new brand of apartheid, much, much worse than south africa used to do. juan: raji sourani, from your perspective, what prompted this latest round of attacks? clearly over the last four years during the trump administration, there was an effort by the u.s. to further marginalize the palestinian question and palestinian -- the israeli occupation. what in your perspective led to this new round of tax by israel? >> well, this is a right-wing

government and prime minister netanyahu be the most extremist and that is why he is trying his best to oppress more palestians and to do what he is doing right now. the trump administration gave him wonderful gifts. they gave him blessing for the policy and to cement this apartheid regime in jerusalem and enhanced thethnic cleansing in jerusalem toward palestinians. and trump gave executive order by recognizing jerusalem as the

united capital of israel. unlike any other american administration before. netanyahu with that says -- [indiscernible] where his position is shaky and he tried to prove more and more he is a real national and the one who believes -- palestinians with no existence. we don't exist for him. that is why he once to clean -- he wants to clean jerusalem from palestinian. that is why when gaza stood in solidarity, he just jumped to than and begin this orchestrated campaign of bombing, destruction, and killing once again. juan: and the evictions that

have been proposed in the sheikh jarrah neighborhood, the united nations has described plan evictions as a possible war crime. and now we havthe israeli supreme court at least postponing a decision on it. can you talk about the eggs of this particular neighborhood, representative of the continuing seizure of land by the israeli settlers? >> israel -- it is ethnic cleansing. day after day by forcing people to leave i am forcing -- i expulsion, building this apartheid world, the most

important -- sheikh jarrah is a good example. [indiscernible] the people were refugees. they came in 1948 after they were forced to leave. aftethreats they made against them. they came to this part and they don't want them to exist there. i want to remind everybody in occupied territories, it is by palestinians and the whole

world, including the american administration who used to call it as such until the trump administration. now with what they are doing, they're going to force peoe to leave using the name of the high court. the high court in israel and the courts in israel regarding palestinians, they are racist and they are there to provide cover for organized systemic crime perpetrated against the palestinian people. they are giving legal cover. they don't apply international law, humanitarian law. for them -- one thing only. the right of the israeli jews, those consider holy blood, holy

soil -- we are nonexistent. amy: i want to go to the video that has gone vir and social media of the sheikh jarrah resident confronting an israeli settler who had been living in her faly' home for 12 years. >> you know this is not your house. >> but if i go, you don't go back. i did not do this. you yell at me but i did not do this. >> you are stealing my house. >> and if i don't steal it, somebody else will. >> no one is allowed to steal it. amy: spoke to her twin brother yesterday. they are resisting the forcing out of the palestinians from sheikh jarrah. i want to bring orly noy into

the conversation, political activist and editor of the hebrew-language news site, local call. member of b'tselem's executive board. explain what is happening and escalation, the way the u.s. media following the israel media refers to this is hamas shooting rockets into israel. give us the context before this happened. >> i will get in a minute to the context of the last round, but before doing that, we need to look at the broader context of the inherent and institutionalized violence against the palestinians, which is a constant -- there is a constant war at different levels. israel is embarking upon the palestinian residents. first we need to remember the

palestinians in jerusalem which make about 40% of the city's population are not citizens of israel. as far as israel is concerned, sort of temporary residents. it means their houses are constantly under the threat of demolition, being taken over by settlers means they're basically suected to different set of law. and this is part of the apartheid nature of the palestinians reality everywhere in jerusalem. so this is the broader context. the latest round of escalation actually started with the very arbitrary and outrageous decision by the jerusalem police to ban the palestinians from gathering at the endthe fast during ramadan on the steps

outside damascus gate, which is one of the main gathering centers of palestinians and east jerusalem -- certainly in the month of ramadan, which should be festive evenings after the breaking of the fast, which always happens in damascus gate. and i think the police knew very well that this will not go without protest. surely enough, the palestinians did protest, which gave the jerusalem police and excuse to treat them with extreme brutality. i was there night after night. i cannot even begin to describe what an actual war zone the

police created because of palestinians protesting against this arbitrary, senseless, provocative decision. of course when you after that the threat of evictions in sheikh jarrah -- which, by the way, are not for the first time. palestinians have been constantly being evicted from not only sheikh jarrah, but from other sensitive areas in the historic holy basin of the old city and from the old city itself. that was very much expected from the first moment, exoded into the situation that we are witnessing right now. juan: orly noy, could you talk about how netanyahu is hoping to benefit from this stability, his

own problems that is facing in terms of being able to form a new government and the repeated elections in israel, how this plays into his political interests? >> after netanyahu exhausted the time given to him to try and establish a government and failed to do so, it's main goal became to prevent his political rivals from succeeding in forming a new government. now, the israeli politics is in a very strange phase in which extreme right wingers are controlled both sides of the israeli map. [indiscernible] the situation in the anti-netanyahu camp which is

trying to form a government, is such that [indiscernible] extreme right wingers to collaborate in some way with central left such as labour party and with the silent collaboration or cooperation of the joint police. ensure wafer netanyahu to prevent that cooperation between both political sides is to revoke them, the reality into a war which -- in whichase it would be much more difficult because the right wing people need to be accountable to their

bases of voters. they want to escalate the situation. they want stronger attacks on gaza, more violence against palestinians -- both inside and outside 40 territories, which is something that would make the corporation with the central left side of the political map almost impossible to achieve. amy: and at the same time, the prime minister benjamin netanyahu is on trial for corruption. as we wrap up, we just got word from ha'aretz that it looks like two israelis were killed where the hamas rockets are falling and you have the 26 palestinians, number of them children, in gaza as a result of the israeli attacks. and finally, the response of the

united states, secretary of state tony blinken said hamas used in the rocket attacks immediately and added all sites need to de-escalate. what do you think has to happen now? specifically, what are you demanding of the u.s. government? >> for this bloody, prolonged military occupation to end. that is the issue. we cannot allow this to happen. i cannot understand or digest how seeing these war crimes, the crimes against humanity come have been having once and again, once and again -- international human rights organizations know and realize what is going on. this is a new brand of apartheid. sorry.

perhaps something simple online in this part of the world, rule of law. make accountability. what we need, peace. nunopeace more than the oppressed and the suppressed. we suffered a lot as opposing people, but we still have strong feeling toward justice, peace. what we need can end of the occupation. what we need, and of this. israel should be held accountable and the u.s. can deliver. with the american administration did for israel, providing full political immunity against the

crimes they are doing once and again against palestinians. it will be one of the places where the israeli war criminals will be held against all the crimes they committed against the palestinian civilians in the occupied areas, against the [indiscernible] raji sourani, thank you, with this as well as orly noy. when we come back, we look back 36 years ago this week to the day when a philadelphia police helicopter dropped a bomb on the home of move, killing 11 people

including five children. the tragedy did not end on that day. we will look at how princeton and the university of pennsylvania have used bones from one or two of them murdered children in their classes for years. stay with us. ♪♪ [sic brea

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online princeton university course called "real bones: adventures in forensic anthropology." these bones were being used without the knowledge of their families. this thursday, may 13, marks the 36th anniversary of the day the city of philadelphia bombed its own citizens. on that day in 1985, police surrounded the home of move, a radical black liberation organization that was defying orders to vacate. police flooded the home with water, filled the house with tear gas, and blasted the house with automatic weapons -- all failing to dislodge the residents. finally, police dropped a bomb on the house from a helicopter, killing 11 people -- six adults and five children. the fire burned an entire city block to the ground, destroying over 60 homes. this is how the bombing was initially reported in philadelphia on wcau-tv.

>> i have just been advised we have new videotape of the episode that apparently ended, we think ended, the move situation, the dropping of an incendiary device. this take a look at this. five pn -- 5:27 p.m. very dramatic explosion that occurs that reallyoves into the move,. you will see the bunker that will soon go up in flames. that was explosion close-up. if there is anybody standing there, it is obvious they could not survive that explosion. amy: that was 313, 1985. the police bombing came after an earlier standoff with move in 1978 ended in a hail of police gunfire, leaving one police officer dead. move members say they didn't fire a shot and that the officer was a victim of friendly fire. former mayor of philadelphia will some good concurred with

that conclusion -- will send good concurred with that conclusion. nevertheless, nine of them were convicted of his murder and given life sentences. one of them, debbie africa, secretly gave birth in her cell just five weeks into her sentence. she managed to keep her son, mike africa, jr., with her for three days before alerting the guards. seven of the move 9 are now free after serving 40 years. two died in prison. in a minute, we'll be joined by mike africa, jr. last month, philadelphia activist and writer abdul-aliy muhammad learned the bones from one or two of the children killed by the police and that 1985 move bombing, tree and delisha africa, were being used by princeton university and the university of pennsylvania's penn museum of archeology and anthropology in an online video course. in the video, penn museum curator janet monge handles the bones and calls them "juicy"

meaning that you can tell that they are of a recently deceased individual, she said. this comes as press accounts from 1985 say that tree's remains -- she was 14 -- were buried along with those of her half-sister zanetta not long after the conclusion of an official inquiry. the remains of the other children, including delisha, were reportedly handed over to a state senator who ran a funeral home and had them buried in unmarked graves. but if the bones of tree and delisha were buried in 1985, how did they end up in janet monge's hands 36 years later? well, for more on these developments and what the children's families are calling for, we go to philadelphia to speak with abdul-aliy muhammad, who helped reveal how the remains were being used after they first called the penn museum to repatriate the skulls of enslaved people held in the morton collection. also joining us, mike africa, jr., host of the podcast "ona

move with mike africa jr." and co-author of the new book "50 years ona move." we welcome you both to democracy now! abdul-aliy muhammad, let's begin with you. your reporting on what happened to these bones and of the philadelphia inquirer and other places is key to understanding what has taken place. how is it possible that princeton and the university of pennsylvania have been using these bones to educate students about what adventures in anthropology? >> it is gross. you ask how is it possible, we still don't know, all the details about what happened in terms of the chain of custody, the bodily remains of tree and delisha africa. what we know, according to archival research and the work i

have been doing is that in the days after the bombing, the days after the state murder of 11 pele, 11 black people in philadelphia, alan mann, who was a professor at peho was bionthropolist, wasired by thmedical aminer's officeo lp inetermini who t reins belonged . ke youaid earli in th seent, the bb burne -- caing thdestructionf two city blockof 11 peopl the city in its efforts to get the remains from the crime scene in the days following, basically, use machinery and mingled bodies instead of carefuy gathering the remains of people. so the medical examiner needed help figuring out who these

remains belonged to. alan mann was hired by the medical examiner's office to work for a day and some change to help identify remains. janet mange was a phd student at the time and assisted mann in identifying remains. their conclusion was there were seven adults and four children, which we now know is inaccurate. monthsw later, w mayorilson ggod creates the commission to looking at the bombing. the move commission hires a forensic specialist from delaware who examines the remains and concludes and report that there are the remains of six adults and five children. we know from archival, you know, information and documentation that hamella has to re-examine

because mann challenges the findings. so they re-examine november 1985 with two other people and reaffirms his earlier report, which is that these remains are of five children and six adults and the remains that work said to have been an identifiable belong to tree africa and there were some other remains there were questions about and hamella said these remains belonged to delisha africa. the commission since a memorandum to the medical examiner's office to release the remains for the normal procedures of that office. we are -- i am my blown at the fact 36 years later, these remains pop up on your video to teach about anthropology. juan: abdul-aliy muhammad, i

want to ask you, in terms of this morton collection itself and the university of pennsylvania, morton was celebrated as a founder of american -- he was actually a white supremacist. could you talk about this whole issue, this scandal of these institutions continuing to hold the bones, many of them of enslaved africans and native americans as well? >> sure. morton was a white supremacist position who amassed a collection of skulls in the late 1700s and 1800s. margins research was based on this notion that humans had different ancestors, that different races had different ancestors. he tries to posit the idea that you can tell the intellectual

capacity of a race by measuring skulls. to do his scientific work, he would purchase them from plantations, skulls that were robbed from graves from a local pottersville in philadelphia -- 14 black philadelphians, there remains were stolen. this collection, like you say come has indigenous folks, white people. his sights was basically trying to legitimize the institution of slavery by stating black folks and other people like indigenous people have less capacity for intellectual thought than white people. about two years ago, i started calling for the repatriation of the remains housed in the morton collection. that escalated. around the upring, police --

calling again for repatriation for the abolition of policing on campus. in that context, restated my demand for repatriation. penn creates a committee to consider the question of repatriation and reburial. there was more momentum around this conversation. in almost a year later, paul mitchell, a phd student, that identifies,, they don't just have the 53 cranial we originally thought they had, 50 cranial from a plantation in cuba and then two from like folks in the u.s.. they initially have 14 crania from franklin field, gray robbed, which is part of penn's campus that used to be a burial site. when that happened, he re-had knighted t call repatriation.

there was a protest and there were demands stated at that protest to repatriate the remains or to give them to descendant communities to bury them if they could not be repatriated. after that happened, that is when the story came to me about penn museum's possession of tree and alisha -- delisha's mains. juan: i want to bring mike africa into the conversation. how are the families and move responding to these latest developments on what happened with the remains of two of the children of the bombing? clubs first of all, thank you for having me on the show to put out this information. the people and our family, as you can imagine, are still very

shaken up and disturbed and traumatized, re-traumatized. we were supposed to do this thing -- since jamie gauthier push for an apology for the dropping. there was this possible opportunity to really start talking about how we can reconnect and recommit and re-observed and all of these things for what happened on may 13, 1985. and although we never forget about what happened, just going back to that day to try to learn from it so that it never happens again, it is like one of these things where you can't even begin to heal because the harm is still being done. everybody is retraumatized and

has to relive may 13 all over again. and to find out this happened to two of the children, it is devastating. it gives me the creeps just listening to the report about what happened to our sisters. everybody in the family are just -- just stuck right now. amy: you knew tree and delisha. you lived and played with them on a farm in virginia? >> yeah, i did. we did for years. we lived for years together. we were all -- our pents were in prison so we were always together because the other people, the caretakers o the organization, they took us in. my parents were in prison just like tree's mother and delisha's

parents were. we were doing everything together. we ate together, played together, cried together, were in fear together. hear about this, it is devastating. juan: mike, in your book that you have written, "50 years ona move," you talk about the history of the relations between move and the political establishment and the police department in philadelphia. as you know, i was a good reporter back then in philadelphia at the time. -- i was a young reporter back then in philadelphia at the time. i lived through the killing of an officer ramp, which was from police fire come not from the move, come. in 1985 bombing as well. could you talk about the

situation back then, especially under mayor frank rizzo? i recall after the 1978 shootout with delbert africa publicly beaten in the streets almost senseless by a group of police officers that the head of the naacp who later became a state representative of fonzo deal, publicly called for an investigation of police abuse and mayor rizzwould on the 6:00 news and said, i want a piece of him myself. that was the kind of mayor that frank rizzo was back then. could you talk about the climate and how move became a lightning rod of police abuse in ose days? >> much like the black panthers and otheorganizations that wanted to see change, that is what move was doing, that is

when john africa was about, trying to make change because of the conditions of black people's living. not just by people, but poor whites, animals, the environment. we need to change. that message was so strong. when you try to make change, when you try to do something to upset the current establishment and try to take us in a new direction because what is happening is wrong, they do't want these things to change. they want to stay in this position, this position of power and control. so wheanybody tries to speak up, they just move -- will run into these obstacles and this wall of police and this wall of politicians, just trying to stop you from putting out this information. that is exactly what move was to rizzo was like donald trump at that time except he was even

worse in that confined space. amy: mike africa, jr., we have to leave it there. i know your family will be doing something on thursday on the anniversary of the 36 years ago the police killing 11 people in tñññvvvvvrrzozozozoñ?ñ

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