06/11/21 06/11/21 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> the west needs to go clearly, i was sent more than double the commitment already made in relation to climate finance. amy: climate justice is on the agenda as world leaders gather in the u.k. for the first in-person g7 summit in two years. we will speak to asad rehman with war on want, spokesperson

for the cop26 climate coalition calling for more immediate action. then the biden administration continues to call for the extradition of wikileaks founder julian assange by britain to the united states or he faces up to 175 years in prison. we'll speak to assange's father and half-brother who are on a tour of the united states to advocate for his release. julian has been prosecuted for work that has won journalism awards. work that exposes horrific were crimes and systematic abuse of power. y: a we lookt hownother g7 count, germanecentl apogized forts role inhe

first nocide of e 20th ceury in i former lony own as gman soutwest africa, now the country of namibia. descendants of those killed say geany's fer of devopment aiis a pittae and are calling on the govnment to reject it. >> this amount is not a nap. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. president biden and other leaders of the g7 nations are pledging to donate a billion doses of covid vaccines to poorer countries as part of an effort to end the pandemic by the end of 2022. the world health organization estimates 11 billion doses are needed in order to vaccinate 70% of the world's population.

the group of seven is holding its firsin-persomeeting in two years in cornwall, england. on thursday, president biden formally announced the united states would do its part by buying half of a billion doses from pfizer to send abroad. mr. biden: our vaccine donations do not include pressure for favors or potential concessions. we are doing this to save lives, to end this pandemic. that's it. period. amy: while biden said there are no strings attached to the vaccine donations, none of the doses will be going to venezuela, which is under u.s. sanctions. venezuela's foreign minister jorge arreaza criticized the decision demonstrates washington's "continued hatred towards the venezuelan people." on thursday, the venezuelan government revealed it has been unable to receive vaccines through the covax program because some of its financial payments have been blocked due to the u.s. sanctions.

"the new york times" is reporting the trump administration secretly subpoenaed and seized the phone records of two prominent democratic lawmakers on the house intelligence committee -- adam schiff and eric swalwell -- as well as staff aides and family members, including a minor. schiff described the move as a terrible abuse of power. the justice department forced apple to hand over the records and then placed a gag order on the company, preventing it from informing the lawmakers until last month. the trump administration also seized records from reporters at "the washington post," "new york times," and cnn as part of a sweeping probe into government leaks. on capitol hill, a bipartisan group of 10 senators said thursday they have reached a deal on a $1.2 trillion infrastructure package, but many democrats have criticized the proposal for not doing enough to address the climate crisis. massachusetts senator ed markey appeared on msnbc thursday night. >> it sounds like to me they

have a package which is climate denial masquerading as partisanship. we can't have an infrastructure built in 2021 that doesn't have climate at its center. amy: the united nations and international aid groups warn that ethiopians in the war-ravaged tigray region are facing the world's worst famine in a decade, with 350,000 people facing catastrophic conditions and millions more suffering from acute food shortages. the united nations is urging the ethiopian government to allow more humanitarian aid into tigray, which the ethiopian military invaded last year with support from eritrea. in peru, pedro castillo is closing in on becoming peru's next president. with almost all votes counted, the socialist teacher has a 71,000-vote lead over keiko fujimori, the daughter of peru's imprisoned former dictator. but fujimori is seeking the

annulment of 500,000 votes despite offering no evidence of voter fraud. this comes as she is fighting to stay out of jail. a state prosecutor has urged a judge to send her back to prison in connection with an ongoing corruption case. on thursday, pedro castillo, the presidential frontrunner, spoke to supporters in lima. >> just as people are with me, i must always be with the people. i will never take advantage of a democratic space. we cannot do that. we cannot play with democracy. above all, there is dignity of people. there is dignity of people. amy: in the occupied west bank, israeli forces killed three palestinians during a pre-dawn undercover raid on wednesday. the israelis were dressed to look like palestinians. the dead included two military intelligence officers with the palestinian authority.

palestinian president mahmoud abbas condemned what he called a dangerous israeli escalation. israeli forces also raided the headquarters of the palestinian union of health workers committee on wednesday and ordered the group's ramallah office to remain closed for six months. amnesty international warned israel's action could have catastrophic consequences for palestinians needing health care. the israeli newspaper haaretz has published shocking video of israeli prison guards brutally kicking, punching, and beating shackled palestinians inside a prison in the negev desert in 2019. the video shows guards throwing dozens of men into a large pile on a concrete floor. 15ere later spitalized the israeli human rights group b'tselem said today -- "the case proves, yet again, that palestinian victims of violence by israeli security forces cannot achieve justice via israeli systems and can hope

to do so only in an international court." no israeli guards faced charges over the assault. the waen on dutyas later promoted amnesty international has accused china of committing crimes against humanity for its mass imprisonment and torture of uyghurs and other muslim groups in xinjiang province. amnesty international's secretary general agnès callamard said -- "the chinese authorities have created a dystopian hellscape on a staggering scale." china has long defended its policies in xinjiang saying they are needed to combat extremism. lawmakers in oregon have voted toxpel republican state representative mike nearman after video surfaced showing him literally opening the door to let armed right-wing protesters enter the state capitoin deceer at a me when e building was closed to the public.

daysefore thincident nearman spoke on a livestream where heave out his phone number and explained how he could help them get inside. >> if you say, "i'm at the west entrance" somebody might exit that door while you're standing there. amy: the breach of the oregon capitol building occurred about two weeks before the january 6 insurrection at the u.s. capitol. meanwhile, six california men, including a former police chief, have been indicted on federal conspiracy charges for their role in the january 6 insurrection in washington. several of the men are connected to the far-right three percenters movement. in north carolina, a state autopsy confirms andrew brown, jr., a black man who was shot by sheriff's deputies in april, died of a gunshot wound to the back of his head. the report lists brown's cause of death as homicide and match the results of an earlier independent autopsy and what brown's family say they

witnessed in bodycam video. a north carolina prosecutor concluded last month the shooting was justified and said officers will not be charged, prompting renewed protests demanding justice for brown. the district attorney in westchester, new york, has ordered an independent review of two separate fatal police shootings of black men over a second ago. kenneth chamberlain, sr. and danroy "dj" henry. chamberlain was a 68-year-old former marine. chamberlain was killed in his own apartment in white plains, new york, in 2011 during a police confrontation after he accidentally triggered his lifeaid medical alert pendant. within two hours, officers broke down his apartment door, doing a wellness check, and shot him dead. visit democracynow.org to see our full coverage of his story. in bexar county, texas, a sheriff's deputy has been placed

on administration leave after video surfaced of him tasering a 16-year-old honduran asylum seeker at the southwest key casa blanca shelter in san antonio last year. patrick divers was placed on leave after reveal from the center for investigative reporting published video of the tasering. congressman joaquin castro is calling for a federal investigation into what happened. visit democracynow.org to see our interview with aura bogado of revealed who broke the story. much of puerto rico lost power on thursday after a fire at an electrical substation. the massive blackout comes just days after the private u.s. and canaan company luma energy formally took over management of the island's electric grid from the puerto rico electric power authority, or prepa, which was devastated by hurricane maria. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine

report. i'm amy goodman. world leaders are gathered in cornwall in the u.k. for the first in-person g7 summit in two years. talks are set to focus heavily on ending the pandemic and the climate crisis. president biden announced u.s. would provide an additional half million covid vaccine doses with "no strings attached." pres. biden: will be the arsenal of vaccines in the fight against covid-19. just as america was the arsenal of democracy during world war ii. this u.s. contribution is the foundation for additional coordinated efforts to help vaccinate the world. amy: wild biden is the will be no strings attached, the vaccine doses will not go to venezuela, which is under u.s. sanction. leaders of the g7 nations are collectively pledging to donate one billion donates his -- doses

, including waving intellectual property protections on vaccines. protests are planned throughout the summit amid a heavy police presence. climate activists and groups including greenpeace and extinction rebellion are staging actions to urge more forceful and immediate action from g7 nations. ahead of the summit, u.n. secretary general antonio guterres highlightedn an nbc news the climate crisis is urgent. >> you must be. careful about your next step because you could fall. >> how much time is left to act? >> if we fail in glasgow, it will be very difficult situation. on the verge of the abyss, you must make sure the next step is in the right direction. amy: g7 numbers are expected to

discuss a minimum global tax rate of 15%. for more, we are joined from london by asad rehman, executive director of war on want. what are climate activists around the world demanding and what are the plans for this weekend? >> as your intro sent, the people who are not -- it is a critical moment because it is not just one crisis. so extreme, adding toward a point of no return. [indiscernible] from what we understand what will come out of the summit, they can see -- discussing what

color to paint the door. climate crisis for example. despite all of the promises and recognizing [inaudible] millions of lives as we breach one degree that we have to prevent temperatures reaching 1.5 degrees -- carbon emissions in 2021 highest in the decade. temperature levels at least toward 2.5 degrees of not more. the g7 is still 189 billion in fossil fuel extraction and not making the pledges needed to make sure they're doing their fair share. they're still not meeting the broken promise of a decade ago of realizing 100 billion in much-needed climate finance whatever estimates has at least a minimum needed is at least close to $1 trillion a year for each and every year for the coming decade. this is no longer about climate denialism. it is the hope that somehow --

john kerry said this at the g7 finance meeting, quality of life is not up for negotiation but we are going to rely on technology that doesn't exist currently and that somewhere in the future -- [inaudible] public policy be made on fingers being crossed and something will rescue us in the future and of course will pay the price. amy: i want to turn to another clip of u.n. secretary general antónio guterres in an interview that originally appeared on nbc news and is broadcast here as part of covering climate now, a global consortium of news outlets strengthening coverage of the climate story. he was interviewed by reporter ann thompson. >> without helping poor countries? >> it is impossible. you need to create conditions from coal to renewable, which

requires financial and technological support developing countries that still rely on coal for energy needs. korea has done it. i hope the g7 will be able to do it. amy: asad rehman, talk more about this moment where climate -- it is the first time ever it is on the agenda of g7. and also if you could talk specifically about britton's role? confirmed marshall plan and your assessment of president's pla? >> the u.k. government fix the world stage includes it is a climate leader and say we have cut our emissions by 50% but if you take out -- none of those emissions include aviation or shipping. or issues of the products the to consumers. we're only talking about 15%.

that is about half percent. we are nowhere near the scale. rich countries are still talking about net zero goals in 2050 when they should be talking about decarbonizing by 2030. the covid pandemic gives us a good example of how these rich countries are responding. we have all heard no one is safe until everyone is safe. we can see millions are dying in every corner of the world and yet rich countries didn't just hoard the vaccine to a meeting at the current rate it will be 57 years before everyone in the world, but they're actively backing big pharma and protecting their profits. if the world lifted the intellectual property rights on covid vaccis, what hope is there for poor countries they're going to lift the international property rights provide the technology and finance for them

to be able to deal with the climate impacts, grow cleanly, transition away from the fossil fuel economy? this is the same time this incredible crisis of inequality where 80% of the world is in poverty, have still struggling on five dollars a day and it is rapidly getting worse. we've heard over the last year, 500 million jobs have been lost, hundreds of blades of people are being pushed into extreme poverty. the very tools that rich countries protect our economies are being denied to those in poor countries. what we see is simply rich countries doing too little, too late, not taking on the responsibility. unfortunately, this g7 has not changed at all. amy: your organization, were on want, does more than focus on climate. if you can make the link and what you demand of the g7, not

only around climate, but also in the midst of this pandemic? yep climate apartment, what countries get hit the hardest, and also vaccine apartheid. >> absolutely. we see this being played out. covid apartheid, climate apartheid, economic apartheid all around the world. what the g7 should be announcing as a global new deal so we are committed to making sure everybody has a right to a living wage, to universal public services. we all have seen how critical they are and only dealing with the pandemic, but in dealing with the climate crisis. we need to make food and energy a public good so we can share them equitably. much of it is concentrated -- just the top 1%, their missions currently -- [inaudible]

we need a radical -- we need to fix our unfair trade role. even the taxation of multinationals, a small step forward on the 15 percent but we can already see the actively playing that won't apply to finance, to the big banks, already will be so many loopholes. what we need is about 25% corporation tax around the world. we need to make sure we are not just comfortably set -- reparations of finance going from the global north to the global south. [indiscernible] for every one dollar going from the north to the south, $24 --

we can no longer tinker around the edges. we need a fundamental transition. these coming years were literally determine the shape of the world, who dies and lives, and what kind of economy we're going to have. there is incredible demand from the bottom. you see it in every corner of the world basically saying, our economy is no longer fit. it does not get people to quality of life they need. it does not give them dignity. we need a transformation. amy: asad rehman, thank you for being with us, executive director of war on want, a global anti-poverty organization and the spokesperson for the cop26 climate coalition. speaking to us from london. next up, the biden administration continues to seek the extradition of wikileaks founder julian assange from britain to the u.s. where he faces up to 175 years in prison. we will speak to julian's father and half-brother, during the u.s. to advocate for his release

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amy: this is democracy now, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. by the way, can sign up for our daily news digest email by texting the word "democracynow" to 66866. the u.s. state department has pushed to extradite wikileaks founder julian assange from britain, where he has been locked up for over two years after being dragged out of the ecuadorian embassy in london where he was taking refuge. president joe biden is now meeting with world leaders in u.k. at the g7 summit.

a u.k. judge blocked assange's extradition in january, citing serious mental health concerns. assange was indicted for violations of the espionage act related to the publication of classified documents exposing u.s. war crimes. he faces up to 175 years in prison if brought to the u.s. on thursday, the british parliament held a debate on safety of journalists, where mp richard burgon addressed assange's case. >> president biden, now in the country for the g7, to drop the charges of the extradition is called a. amy: this comes as julian assange's father and brother are on a nationwide tour of the united states to advocate for the founder of wikileaks' release. there joining us here in new york. john shipton is julian's father

and gabriel is a film maker and julian's brother. gabriel, first of all, did it surprise you to hear julian's case brought up in the british parliament? and talked about where the case stands. the extradition was denied by a judge in january, yet he still is in the maximum security belmarsh prison. >> i was not surprised to hear it brought up in parliament. there's a lot of support for julian in u.k. in the parliament most of almost 30 members. that group is advocating for the charges to be dropped and the extradition to be stopped. where julian's cases at the moment, as you said his extradition was rejected on january 4 and his bail was refused on january 6. the u.s. has appealed the

extradition rejection and it has been six months now since that extradition rejection and we still don't know when there will be an appeal date. julian has just been sitting in belmarsh prison for six months not knowing when there will be an appeal heard. really what i think we're seeing is an abuse of process to keep julian imprisoned. he has not had any visits since october. the prison is in a covid locked, so the situation is really dire and julian is suffering inside that prison for basically -- he has no sentence. why is he in prison? i just don't understand. amy: john shipton, you are julian assange's father. when was the last time you got to see him? >> good morning, amy. sometime ago, march of last year, i hadn't visited since

then. there was one visit of julian's children to the present and stella, his partner. they had to be separated during the visit by two yards. julian had to wear full ppe. he is in his cell 23 hours a day. the guards that, if your children embrace you or stella embraces you, you will have to spend the next two weeks in lockdown 23 hours a day in your cell. you can see there is, earnings and difficulties all the time in his treatment. gabriel visited in october last year. it is very uncomfortable situation. amy: i want to go to the united

nations special rapporteur on torture who visited assange in london's belmarsh prison. >> i spoke with him for an hour just to get a first impression that we had a physical examination for an hour by forensic expert and the a two hour psychiatric examination. all three of us had the same impression in the medical doctors had a diagnosis, all came to the conclusion that he showed all the symptoms that are typical per person that has been exposed to psychological torture for an extended period of time. amy: that is the united nations special rep. trone: torture -- united nations special rapporteur on torture. john, explain what your site is

going through, the kind of isolation he has faced. he has been at belmarsh for several years, but before that, also in a sense, to say the least, very isolated, though could see more people -- we at democracy now!, i would does he have a number of times to interview him and before when he was under house arrest. all this because the u.s. wants him in united states to try him under the u.s. treason act. can you talk about is mental state of mind now and why he does the work he does as a publisher of wikileaks and what he faces? >> amy, the circumstances of course described by nils melzer, the constantly not knowing where he is staying, no end to it.

you can't count on one day being able to see your children. over the number of years, has accumulated to situation where nils melzer accurate describes it is psychological torture. the circumstance, well, it is easily -- the g7 meeti is based upon values and yet they have just a few kilometers down the road the foremost journalist in jail. they can be genuine about basing the new world order on values julian and release. that would be something sincere. as to what motivates julian, he

rejects and has a sort of natural leaning toward injustice. wherever there is an injustice. al to right injustices is to speak truthfully. freedom only comes about through knowledge. once you accumulate knowledge and talk to your friends and you are able then to make proper decisions and understand the circumstances that you're in or your community is in. so those three elements seem to be to me the prime motivating forces in the manifestation of julian in the world. amy: julian applied for bail. i mean, the judge ruled he was a suicide risk.

she would not extradite him to the united states, gabriel. and yet he has been denied bail. can you talk about the significance of this? why is he being held in london right now? are you concerned joe biden, now president of the united states, said when he was vice president he likened julian to high-tech terrorist -- that was the strongest process of of the obama administration. have you had any dealings with the biden administration at this point? >> as to why julian still in prison, he is being punished like this as an example to everyone else. everyone else who might think about speaking truth to power. this is what will happen to you. these -- this is the extent you

will be pursued, so if you think about publishing truth or truthful information, this is -- julian is the example of what will happen. so it is this chilling effect already in place by what we are saying and what we have seen happen to julian over the last 12 years of his attainment -- detained meant. we were in january this year trying to see the biden administration. we did have some contact through an intermediary. we saw human rights people in the administration who -- we got a letter into them and they said, let's meet after january 20. obviously, a lot has happened since then and the biden administration has a lot to deal with at the moment. really, i think this has to come from the doj.

merrick garland. this is trump-era prosecution. independent doj under obama found this prosecution, they could not prosecute julian because of what they called "the new york times" problem so -- amy: what is "the new york times" problem? >> chelsea manning is the leaker that the espnage act charges related to julian. so that was a clear signal from the biden-obama presidency that this prosecution wasn't going to go forward. it was only under a trump, and was the trump doj, jeff sessions and william barr, who opened up this prosecution. so we are just asking biden and merrick garland to revert to the independent doj under obama's

position that this prosecution was detrimental to a free press and first amendment -- the constitution, which i think we find it quite ironic that two australians are traveling the u.s. talking about a free press in the first amendment. amy: john, if you can talk about what julian released, the kind of information that ultimately millions of documents on the afghan war, on the iraq war, the state department cables. and if you could start by talking about a video we have shown a number of times because wikileaks made this available, a video that reuters had requested for years. it is about what happened to their two employees, 22-year-old up-and-coming videographer and his driver, 40 years old, father

of four. this is an area of baghdad called you back that and they were being taken around to show what had happen in their community the day before, and bombing. u.s. apache helicopter comes overhead and opens fire on this group of men below, killing both reuters staffers as well as community members. can you talk about the significance of this video coming out that chelsea manning had made available to wikileaks and other examples? >> well, yes. that video is sort of fundamental to a change in understanding the united states and its allies in iraq and their destruction of that country. that is the pivotal point. so we understand from that the

occupation of iraq was a tragedy and the ongoingness of that tragedy is in the iraq war files. the iraq war files revealed 15,000 civilian deaths had happened and were unreported in the creek nurture, but they were in the iraq war files. one of the really important revelations the diplomatic cables was that there was an attack by a group of soldiers on the house outside baghdad where the entire family was destroyed and killed. contemplating this crime come the soldiers called in an airstrike and obliterated all evidence of those murders and

destroyed the house. when this cable was seen after the release i wikileaks, when it was seen by the iraqi parliament, the iraqi parliament gathered together the carriage to refuse the status of forces agreement that the united states and its allies have put before them. the consequence of that refusal, the united states and its allies withdrew their troops from iraq. in the circumstance, we can see a profound theme about the leaks and the publication of those leaks that brought about peace and ended a war. there are several more examples of that. so there is an american lawyer clyde sen. smith: set up an organization named reprieve and

using the guantanamo bay files, clyde was able to go to guantamo bay and secure the release of prisoners who were there under circumstances that they are innocent of any crime and had been solved to the united states army and moved to guantanamo bay. 22 of those prisoners were children at the time. so that is another circumstance. a third one, if i can illustrate , this time concerns the united kingdom's removal of the entire population at the jacobs islands in order to provide the united states with an air base called diego garcia. using the revelations in the cables, the people of the

islands and their lawyers were able t@@ take a case to the international court of justice and win, despite the united kingdom's appeal. they continued to prevail. those are three examples of what a leak can bring about an the importance of these revelations. and finally, that those documents are in a searchable libry so ongoing they can be used tourther people's desire for justice and to deepen the understanding of theeople of the united states of the involvement of the pentagon and foreign policy, their

involvement in the exercise of that foreign policy and the disaster that it has broug to parts of the world. amy: john shipton and gabriel shipton, i would like to thank you so much for being with us. you are on this tour across the united states, brought here by the courage foundation, arrived in miami doing events here in new york and philadelphia, d.c., boston, columbus, chicago, milwaukee as you travel the country. next up, feeling today. thank you for spending this time with us. john shipton is the father of julian assange and gable shipton is a film maker and julian's brother. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. when we come back, we talk about germany apologizing for its role in the first genocide of the 20th century and its former colony now known as namibia. descendants are saying germany's

offer is a pittance. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] let amy: amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the quarantine report. i'm amy goodman. we turn now to look at developments with another g7 cotry, germa, ich recent apologiz for its role in t rst genoci of th20th ntury ich tooklace in s form colony own as gman soutwest afra, now t countrof namib.

betwn 1904 a 1908, gman colonirs killetens of thousas of ovarero and nama people in namia. last month, for the first time, german foreign minter heiko maasfficially described the massacre as genocide and outlined an offer of more than $1.34 billion in development aid to the namibian government. -- two namibia. clicks today we refer to these events as what they were, genocide. we are acknowledgment our historical responsibility and in the light of germany's responsibility, we will ask namibia and descendants of the victims for forgiveness. in a gesture of the suffering inflicted, we want to support namibia and the descendants of the victims with the program with 1.1 billion euros and reconstruction and development.

amy: the namibian parliament is set to vote soon on germany's offer, which was not negotiated with survivors of the genocide and critics have described as a pittance. this week, namibia's prime minister saara kuugongelwa-amadhila opened a contentious session of parliament addressing the agreement. she spoke tuesday. >> since the reparations amount -- this and that is not enough and is unacceptable to the namibian people. amy: opposition lawmakers spent the parliamentary session denouncing the deal. this is utaara mootu of the opposition landless people's movement namibia. >> honorable prime minister, never in my existence would i think i would be looking at a colonizer the way i am looking

at you right now. [indiscernible] >> order. order. order. [indiscernible] >> order amy: in a minute, we'll get response from two namibians. but first, this is part of a bbc documentarabout the nocide histori david atayo olusoga, titled "namibia: genocide and the second reich." >> for 100 years, what happened in germany's long-lost african empire has been hidden. it is the story of a genocide at the hiest level of the german government, the army, and even some of germany's -- the ghosts of that namibian genocide have returned.

they forced germany to wake up to a very uncomfortable fact, that the dark racial era that helped inspire the nazis run much deeper into german and european history than most people want to acknowledge. >> soldiers received specific orders that allow them to kill anyone. it was an overall strategy and that ethnicay cansinghe countryside to create -- for german settlers. >> genocidal. the destruction order. many members of my own family die. amy: that is an excerpt from the bbc documenry amibia: genocide and the second reich." for more, we are joined by two guests. emsie erastus is in windhoek, the capitol of namibia, which was the site of germany's first mass concentration camp where thousands of people were beaten, worked, and starved to death by the army of the second reich.

also with us is nyoko muvangua. she is born of the ovaherero people and grew up in a village in namibia. now a lawyer in south africa and is joining us from johannesburg. i want to begin with nyoko muvangua. can you respond to it germany is offering and who they negotiated this deal with? >> good morning, afternoon, depending on where you're listening from. what germany is offering -- first, over a billion euros. it is not reparations. it is grants. the amount was negotiated with the namibian government to the

exclusion of the ovaherero and the -- the people were excluded from this. so that is the immediate answer to your question. amy: and what is your response to what they are offering? and what are you demanding? you are descendant of those who died in this genocide at the turn of the 20th century, the first genocide of the 20th century. i daresay, certainly peoplen the united states, most people, have never heard of what place. >> sure. if,, i wonder whether i should commend your question elsewhere. what i would like to start with is what happened between 1904 and 1908, which would better inform my response to your question. tween 19 in 1908, germany is

a colonizer of namibia, what did namibian land. the ovaherero people at the time were land and cattle oers. germany wanted them to give up the land. when they resisted, the german government through an army general issued extermination order which said all the overhead and all the people -- all the ovaherero people should be killed. there were two termination orders. what the extermination order say is both must be killed commitment or women, steer no child, spare no man. either drive them out of the country they could go -- they mt either die or get out of namibia . that is what happened. our land was taken. our cattle were taken.

our people got killed. forced out of the country into botswana, angola, south africa, and elsewhere. those that were not able to leave the country were enslaved. they were in concentration camps. they were poon. so tt is t background -- i'm not sure about the number of the nama people, but history tells me 80% of the ovaherero peoe got ki during thgenocide. fast-forward to 2004, then rmanmbassador namibia said this was in response to the ovaherero andnama people taking ho of theiagency inside uld happ to us at theurn of t 20th ceury was genoci. we are entitled to reparations. but at the very least, from a human being point of view, we

are entitled to an apology from germany. he thegerman officials stood up at atheringn namibi and purported to apologize. however, that got recanted by the government, the german government by saying she had no mandate to do that, the german government was not apologizing was reverse and fast-forward a little bit, concurrently there were proceedings instituted by the ovaherero and the nama people in new york seeking the german government to do two things. one, apologize. for the genocide. and the other two pay reparations -- to pay reparations. in court papers, the german government took the attitude whatever was committed in namibia between 1904 and 19 in -- 1908, there waso crime so

whatever was committed at the time could notave been a crime because the crime of genocide did not exist at the time. that has always been germany's stance. very interesting the term suenly thold wt happened in904 a genocide -- i don't understand germanyself, b when o listens carefully to the translations of what mraas says, h sms to be signedapped then suld be lled whait woulde today, a genocide. rmany caed what did in nabia at the timto the ovahero and nama le a genoci. so wt happe when yoaccept wronoing, en you aept

wrongdoi, two this. yopologi and y rep, you aton th is in t forof repations. rmany -sorry, in nabia, what hpen in 26 is in parliament, tabling the motion which was unanimously adopted in parliament, that the ovaherero and nama people would directly negotiate with germany for reparations and the namibian government would serve the role of mediator, a supporting role. but the namibian government turned away from that resolution altogether, excluded the ovaherero and the nama people negotiated directly with the german people and that is what you're asking me about earlier,

the grant of aid money and the very loose statement by mr. maas and newspapers all over the world, -- germany, a person people directly, something no one is talking about. we're hearing from papers that germany is calling this a genocide, germany is apologizing. germany has not come to the people to apologize at all for what happened. the minister was supposed to come to namibia a week or so ago and cancel the trip because of th uprising of -- not physically, but the rejection of the overero andnama people. you want to know what my comment is. wh was offered is an absolute insult. it is an insult because it had nothing to do with us. our names are being used in

circumstances where what is really going on between the german and namibian government has nothing to do with us. one wonders the namibian government and german government are negotiating as equals. i should say not. they're not negotiating as equals. it is also interesting when the announcement was made, the namibian government was called -- it did not realize germany was going to announce to the world it had offer this grant money and purported to apologize to namibia thens. amy: i want to bring emsie erastus into this conversation who is in the capital of namibia right now, researcher on decolonization and technology. you wrote a piece for the bbc

titled "why germany's namibia genocide apology is not enough." you say germany needs to come to terms with origins of a racialized view of the world, placing western authorities at the top and africans at the bottom. can you get your reaction to what has been offered and what you see needs to be done at this point? we have just about a minute. >> [indiscernible] sort of ties in with what the german foreign minister -- his apology. question relationship between namibia and germany -- [indiscernible] what you are seeing wi reparatis is, fst of al whenermany came toamibia --

they did not call it that at that time -- they did not come for friendship or relationship. it was -- some call it the rape of aica cmitted to ke the resources of aica. fromhe beginng, germy needto acknowledge the retionship when that genocide took place. it was not a friend the relationship. it was not peaceful. [indiscernible] amy: we have five seconds.

>> there is no -- should question that before we discuss anything. amy: we will come back to this issue. i want