07/07/21 07/07/21 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! the president of katie jovenel moïse has been assassinated in an armed attack in his home. hades first lady was also injured. for months, haitians have been protesting the u.s.-backed president for refusing to leave office when his term ended in february. we will get the latest. then pulitzer prize winning new

york times journalist nicole hannah jones has rejected a tenure offer at the university of north carolina chapel hill, her alma mater come to join the faculty of howard university after a prominent right-wing donor at unc opposed giving her tenure. >> what has been reported is the was a great deal of political interference by conservatives who don't like the work i have done, particularly the 1619 project, and also by the powerful donor who give the largest donation in the 70 year history of the journalism school. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. haitian president jovenel moïse was assassinated at his home early this morning. first lady marne moïse was also injured and has been hospitalized.

president moïse have been in office since 2017 but based large-scale protest from 2018 denouncing government corruption and demanding his resignation. right's groups say he is responsible for the brutal crackdown on protesters and other government critics. earlier this year, his opponents accused moïse of orchestrating a coup to stay in power beyond february 7 when his term officially ended. but moïse clung to power with support from the biden administration. popular demonstrations against moïse had recently escalated. we will have more on this breaking story after the headlines. here in new york city, the associated press called the democratic primary race to become the city's next mayor for brooklyn borough president and former police captain eric adams. the latest tally, which accounts for most absentee ballots, saw adams edge out former sanitation commissioner kathryn garcia by

one percentage point, or just 8426 votes. adams, who would be the city's second black mayor, ran as a -- read to the right of his party, promising to tackle crime. he is also known for supporting charter schools and the real estate industry. meanwhile, updated tallies in the new york city council races show women are on track to represent a majority for the first time ever. pulitzer prize-winning journalist nikole hannah-jones has rejected a tenure offer at the university of north carolina at chapel hill and will instead join the faculty of howard university as the inaugural knight chair in race and journalism. hannah-jones, who is best known for her work on the new york times' 1619 project, was originally denied tenure by unc. on tuesday, she spoke to cbs news' gayle king. >> what has been reported is

that there was a great deal of political interference by conservatives who don't like the work i have done, particularly the 1619 project, and also by the powerful donor who gave the largest donation in the seven year history of the journalism school. it is pretty clear my tenure was not taken up because of political opposition, because of discriminatory views of my viewpoint and i believe my race and gender. amy: nikole hannah-jones will be joined at howard, a prominent historically black university by the acclaimed author and journalist ta-nehisi coates. we'll have more on this story later in the broadcast. in immigration news, the biden administration has extended temporary protected status, or tps, to yemeni nationals already in the u.s., citing the ongoing conflict and humanitarian crisis in their home country where the

u.n. estimates some 20 million pele, many of them children, now rely on aid. tps will be extended for roughly 1700 yemenis through early march 2023. the current term was set to expire in september. the pentagon announced it is canceling a contentious $10 billion contract for a cloud-computing system known as joint enterprise defense infrastructure, or jedi. the contract was granted to microsoft in 2019 and amazon sued saying the decision was influenced by then-president trump's animus towards jeff bezos, who stepped down earlier this week as amazon's ceo. after tuesday's announcement, amazon's stock soared after speculation the company would receive some or all of a new pentagon contract. bloomberg reported bezos' personal wealth creased by $8.4 billion in one day. top u.s. officials hosted the brother of saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman tuesday. the biden administration had not

publicly announced the visit by deputy defense minister prince khalid bin salman amid ongoing pressure to reevaluate the relationship between the u.s. and saudi arabia. an intelligence report released in february found that mohammed bin salman directly approved the assassination of "washington post" columnist jamal khashoggi in 2018. white house press secretary jen psaki told reporters tuesday the u.s. was reaffirming its commitment to the nation's longstanding partnership and saudi defense. the united nations is warning over three-quarters of households in lebanon do not have enough food or money to buy food as the social, political and economic crises continue to spiral. the devastating recession and inflation has led the currency to plunge by 90%, forcing over half the population into poverty and facing major food and fuel

shortages. the world bank is calling the situation in lebanon one of the worst depressions of modern history. the european union threatened sanctions last month if the country's leaders could not quickly form a new government and enact reforms. caretaker prime minister hassan diab, who resigned from his premiership following the tragic explosion at the port up they wrote last august, issued another dire warning this week. >> i call on the united nations and international community and public opinion to help -- [inaudible] amy: in israel, the recently formed government of far-right prime minister naftali bennett failed to extend an apartheid law that denies citizenship, and even residency, to palestinians fromhe occupied territories

that are married to israelis. the racist law had been extended every year since it was enacted in 2003. the law failed to pass after formereader benjamin netanyahu's party and his allies voted against it to undermine the ruling coalition which ousted him last month. in iran, the outgoing government is hosting talks between taliban negotiators and afghan government officials as the u.s. closes in on completing its withdrawal from afghanistan and as taliban forces continue to make major territorial advances. tens of thousands of families have fled their homes in recent weeks. foreign minister mohammad javad zarif said afghans must now make difficult decisions for the future of their country after two decades of failed u.s. intervention. in india, the united nations is denouncing the recent death of 84-year-old indian rights activist and jesuit priest father stan swamy.

swamy had been charged under india's contested anti-terror law. he was arrested last year over his advocacy work, accused of having ties to a radical left-wing group which the indian police alleged instigated violence in 2018. he died in a hospital in mumbai monday ahead of a bail hearing. he had been denied bail before despite having health issues, including parkinson's disease. this is a leader of india's communist party. under custody by the government i charges that had not even been established or even proved, in detention for more than eight months. amy: in mexico, human rights advocates are demanding justice for another indigenous land and

rights defender assassinated in the southern state of chiapas. simón pedro pérez lópez was gunned down early monday morning as he walked to a local market with his son. pérez lópez was the former president of las abehas de actehal, an anti-violence group that defended indigenous communities and their land. in colombia, 10 military members and one civilian have been accused of murdering at least 120 people and forcibly disappearing two dozen others, and falsely claiming their victims were guerrilla members who had been killed in combat. tuesday's indictment marks the first time colombia's special jurisdiction for peace tribunal charged military members of being involved in the false positives scandal, where thousands of extrajudicial killings were falsely portrayed as leftist rebels who died in combat. the false positives were meant to help give a sense of the

colombian military victory in the half-century u.s.-backed conflict against the revolutionary armed forces of colombia, farc. this is a judge with the peace tribunal. >> we have found it was a pattern of micro-criminality, which is to say the repetition of at least one other 20 murders during two years in the same region of the same group of people associated with the criminal organization and following the same motives. amy: the tribunal was created after a peace deal was signed in columbia in 2016. to see our interview yesterday, you can go to democracynow.org. in nigeria, at least 140 children went missing after gunmen raided a boarding school in kaduna state in t 10th mass kidnapping to be recorded in northwest nigeria since december. also on monday, armed men kidnapped at least eight people, cluding one-year-old, from a hospital staff residence in kaduna.

the you and says the mounting attacks are -- the u.n. says the mounting attacks are leading fearful parents to keep their kids out of class, compounding the educational crisis in nigeria, where 13.2 million children do not attend school. this is unicef representative peter hawkins. >> it really is of concern, has become a money spending exercise where the schools have become a easy tart fo kidnappers and sourcehave become available to pay the kidnappers off. amy: nigeria is africa's most populous country. in the netherlands, renowned dutch crime reporter peter r. de vries is in critical condition after he was shot in downtown amsterdam tuesday. de vries was attacked as he left a television studio. a video circulating on social media shows the award-winning journalist laying on the street as blood pools around his head

at least two suspects are in stody. the 64-year-old is a household name in the netherlands and has investigated cold case killings and reported on organized crime for decades. he had received death threats in the past and was previously given police protection. in 2008, de vries won an international emmy for investigating the 2005 disappearance of u.s. teenager natalee holloway in the caribbean island of aruba. the european union has enacted a ban on 10 of the most commonly consumed single-use plastics including straws, plastic plates, cutlery, and cotton swabs. the law also directs companies to use more recycled plastics in disposable drinking bottles. but environmental activists say the measure doesn't go far enough and allows for individual countries to adopt their own laws, which in some cases are much weaker. and in canada, a marine

biologist said last week's record-shattering, climate change-fueled heat wave may have killed over 1 billion sea creatures on the salish sea coastline such as mussels, starfish, and barnacles. dead shellfish were also found in the pacific northwest. this comes as more areas around the globe report new heat records. finland's arctic lapland hit its hottest temperature in over a century at 92.5 degrees fahrenheit. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. when we come back, we go to haiti where the president has been assassinated. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

in amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report.

i'm amy goodman in new york, joined by my co-host juan gonzález in new brunswick, new jersey. hi, juan. juan: hi, amy. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: we begin today's show with breaking news. haitian president jovenel moïse was assassinated early today after an attack on his home in the outskirts of port-au-prince. moïse's wife was also shot in the attack. she has been hospitalized. in a statement, haitian prime minister claude joseph said -- "a group of unidentified individuals, some of them speaking spanish, attacked the private residence of the president of the republic and thus fatally wounded the head of state." moïse had led haiti since 2017. earlier this year, critics of moïse accused of him of orchestrating a coup to stay in power beyond february 7 when his term officially ended. for months, haitians have staged

large protests against moïse demanding he leave office. but moïse clung to power with support from the biden administration, which backed moïse's claim that his term should end next year. human rights groups report had accused moïse of sanctioning attacks against civilians in impoverished neighborhoods of port-au-prince, with targeted assassinations and threats against government critics carried out with impunity. we are joined now by two guests. dahoud andre is a longtime haitian community activist and member of the committee to mobilize against dictatorship in haiti and kim ives is the editor of haiti liberté. we welcome you both to democracy now! let's begin with dahoud andre. can you tell us what you have heard? who is responsible for this assassination?

and then give us what has been happening -- talk about what has been happening in haiti. >> thank you very much, amy and uan for inviting us to speak about what is happening in haiti . we got a call about 5:30 this morning to say radio in haiti have reported that overnight jovenel moïse had been assassinated. i should say as of now we have no clue where this assassination came from. ceainly, not the street gang such as the g9, who has been going around recently after ars of the demonstrating with

an american flight behind his back. and right now reporting to the fighting for revolution to liberate the haitian people. we know it did not come from there. we know it could have come from the oligarchy. such people as -- at present it appears jovenel moïse i some difficulty with them. we can imagine it would take a lot of money and resources to do an operation such as this. a lot of people this morning are saying probably u.s. government, again, not just affirming the

domination over haiti right now but maybe to mask the shame of defeat and running away from afghanistan in the middle of the night. juan: kim ives, i want to get your perspective on this. clearly, there was a popular opposition and questions -- deep questions about any kind of legitimacy for jovenel moïse. was this potentially a falling out among the elites or was there for involvement as well other than the possible mercenaries themselves being hired from abroad? >> it definitely seems there was foreign involvement. my sources in haiti this morning tell me the assailants, the killers arrived in nine

brand-new nissan patrol pickups. they had complete understanding of the household of jovenel moïse. so apparently, they had some inside information. they knew what they were doing. clearly, this was a fairly sophisticated operation. was it one of the other members of the group who have had problems with jovenel? it is difficult to know. it seems he was also recently in turkey making sam deals -- some deals and the colombians may not have been happy about that. that is one of the rumors going around. we have to wait and see who was behind us but definitely on the street things have been very hot

. the revolutionary forces, the g9 family and allies have basically also been calling for jovenel to go. i don't think there is anybody that is going to be unhappy with this outcome. it was a time when he was very isolated, even within. some circles. amy: and the fact they were speaking spanish? >> that is the big question. i am trying to find out why they think it was colombians invoed. i don't know if it was an accident question. i haven't gotten an answer back. it was definitely some fairly sophisticad merceny operation involved. juan: dahoud andre, for those listeners and viewers of democracy now! who have not been

closely following what has been going on in haiti i read a recent years -- in recent years, can you talk about the connections of moïse to the previous president and the involvement of the clintons i the continuing persistent political crises that have occurred in haiti in recent years? >>, i want to point out first this is exactly three years since the major uprisings that happened in the country in 2018, july 6, seven, when the imf had demanded the government of haiti raise fuel prices. and some of these prices were double and puppet government that jovenel moïse headed, they do this in the middle of a soccer game between brazil and

belgium. the idea was brazil would win and there would be euphoria and people would not mind, they would not notice. they would be celebrating brazil's victory. and fate had it that brazil lost shamefully. immediately after the game, uprisings all over the country. so it is important to note this date, this anniversary and that jovenel moïse would be killed on this anniversary. but also, i want to point out what kim ives is calling the revolutionary forces of the g9, these are criminals. these are people that are responsible for killing massacres in poor neighborhoods in the country. these are people -- and a lot of

people find it amazing, unbelievable that kim ives and his newspaper would be defending , trying to make people believe that these are revolutionaries, these are people who are throwing 78-year-old elderly folks out of buildings, burning them alive. that these are the people who are going to save us. the audience should understand, yes, was handpicked by the clintons as a puppet, as someone who would do their bidding and join the campaign. it was obvious the clintons -- bill clinton, who was running the cirh to supposedly rebuild haiti back better, same slogan that joe biden used in his recent campaign, that they would

find this was the person w would be -- a degenerate, someone i know this program has done much about that so i don't want to even go there, but what is important is that jovenel moïse was handpked and jovenel moïse was a crook and indicted, fake entrepreneur, was put in directly by the was vernment. and in that position, he was reliab puppet to firs donald trump that he betrayed haiti the strokeelationship with venezuela in recognizing -- that legitimate had a venezuela

and had the nerve to say the most recent legislative elections in venezuela, he would not recognize them because there was not enough popular participation. in this is someone who by their own numbers got about 500,000 votes in country of 12 million people. need to say the haitian people athe jovenel moïse in the government because -- and the government because they are the tools of the united states. to impose the will of the united states on the people and they arm these street gangs, they finance these massacres in the poor neighborhoods that are supportive of -- i should say

president aristide, the last government. they just felt -- he clearly said so long as the heavyweights, meaning the united states, the u.n., the core group supported him and jovenel moïse, nothing could happen to them. and this is wh we have seen. support, unequivocal support of the united states to the government who was killing the haitian people and stealing the resources of the country. amy: i want to get kim ives' response to this clip, one of haiti's most powerful gang leaders warned this week he was launching a revolution against the country's business of political elites. a.k.a., barbecue, former police officer who has the so-called g9

federation of nine gangs formed last year. >> i'm telling people to keep looking for what belongs to them. dishware money which is i need banks, stores, supermarkets to go and get what is rightfully yours. it is ours. amy: can you tell us who barbecue is, kim ives, and respond to dahoud andre's criticism of your paper? >> yes. by the way, i'm just english language section editor. has been following with very great interest the emergence of the g9. i have met with jimmy and a number of the organizations on the ground in haiti. the massacres he is describing are really the product principally of an outfit called the rnddh.

the haitian network for the defense of human rights, who also issued salacious reports against the aristide government after the 2004 coup d'état. he has basically waged some kind of holy war against jimmy, who according to him, asked to rub out a human rights group head. he was a stellar policeman who was basically radicalized by betrayal by the haitian police leadership who hung him out to dry after an operation went badly in 2017. he was dealing with some of the leading rights opposition.

also an alleged former death squad leader and was called the poster boy for political corruption by the u.s. embassy itself in the wikileak cables that we released a decade ago. he soured on them to and he saw both the government of jovenel moïse and the opposition with which dahoud. people need clinics, schools, sanitation. he took me around the neighborhood where he grew up, the son of a poor street vendor. he showed me how people had to do their toilets and plastic bag and throw it in a canal. he said people can't live like this. he has been calling for

revolution against the system in haiti and it being radicalized by these events. the portrayal of him in the mainstream press, by the ap, "washington post" is he is this gang later, the bogeyman. but the reality is on the ground, this is an uprising really of haiti that has been crusd over the past decades and jovenel moïse was no differen and the people, the masses in haiti, in port-au-prince, some now 3 million, for many people have had enough and are rising up. juan: dahoud andre, your response on the issue of kim saying you're representing more of the opposition? >> [laughter]

kim ives is a joke and it is sad your giving him a platform to push this garbage. [indiscernible] someone who is responsible for all of these massacres. and despite the denunciations of the people -- of all of these poor neighborhoods who themselves they said it is jimmy cherizier -- [indiscernible] and the people in the streets on the radio station in the country and people are massacred are speaking directly about who they

saw came with guns, with gasoline and fire to burn down their homes. so now to say that dahoud andre is aligned with the opposition -- [laughter] there is a former ally of kim ives and his newspaper that he owns. kim is a white man, an american. so he cannot come to this program or anywhere else and say that he is the owner, the puppetmaster of this newspaper so he is pretending -- i'm sure that amy goodman and juan gonzalez and everyone else that knows about this newspaper knows who owns this newspaper and knows thiss just another one

white savior for the people. and it is beautiful. the song you started the segment with, amy, because thiis a song called "what is to be done" as you said. the song if you continue to play it, he would say it is a revolution. and he was going to make this revolution? the haitian people. it is not our neighbors. it is not want to be white saviors like kim ives are going to liberate the haitian people. i want to speak a little bit about this thing, this jovenel moïse i shld say if i knew that i was going to be put under this program together with kim ives, i would not have come on. you should go to haiti. you been to haiti, amy. go speak to someone who worked

for years with kim ives. go speak to joseph who was close collaborator of kim ives, who are both denouncing him and his newspaper in haiti for pushing this garbage like jimmy cherizier. to kill the reach people, to steal from them. the people he has massacred -- this is why for three years the jovenel government has never executed their words against cherizier because he is someone who is working for them. findis previous messages on social media where jimmy cherizier as an american flag

behind his back to show who he stands with -- juan: if we can, we have only a couple me minutes. we have only a couple more minutes. i want to get kim ives to respond briefly and also if you coul mention, talk about how the biden administration is been dealing with haiti since it has come into office. >> well, just to finish with dahoud, a longtime bugaboo with haiti liberté. i imagine he might explode on the show coupled with me. believes i am the owner of haiti liberté. it is as unfounded as the rumors he is saying about theg9 and jimmy cherizier are my relationship with mary a joseph who have only spoken to

recently. typical but as for the biden administration, the administration has, according to my sources in haiti, mentally supporting jovenel up until now -- has been supporting jovenel up until now. the u.n. office in haiti has been very much on the fence really about whether to go over to the opposition and use them for a transition. obviously, that probably is going to happen now because the president is no longer living. so the biden administration has been having slightly contradictory sort of message where on the one hand they say we're going to support jovenel and he can be in office until

february 7, 2022, but at the same time, they are saying we are alarmed by authoritarianism and e decrease he is passing. -- decrees he is passing. we will see where they will go, move over to the opposition which is basically headed by this fellow who we have done wikileaks articl on on haiti liberté. people can check those out. a decadego. i expect -- they may try to find some sort of compromise candidate, somebody with a slight less color, slight progress of color to be the figurehead of this transitional government. but i don't think there will be able to go forward with the remnants of the crew that jovenel had working with him now.

they just appointed a new prime minister on monday who is an old , basically collaborator of the u.s. in haiti. the council falitated the transfer to the de facto government after the coup d'état against aristide in 2004. so he was basically named on monday, but i see it is claude joseph, the interim prime minister who is doing all of the talking after this assassination of jovenel. amy: we're going to leave it there. these are just the first few hours after the assassination of the haitian president, and we will continue to cover what develops from this time. kim ives is the editor of haiti liberté. dahoud andre, longtime haitian community activist and member of

the committee to mobilize against dictatorship in haiti. next up, pulitzer prize winning journalist dahoud andre nikole hannah-jonese faculty of howard university after a prominent right-wing donor opposed giving her tenure. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. with juan gonzalez. the york city called the democratic primary race to become the city's next mayor for brooklyn borough president and former police captain eric adams. the latest tally which accounts for most absentee ballots saw adams edge out former sanitation commissioner kathryn garcia by one percentage point, a little over a thousand votes. adams would be the city's second black mayor, ran to the right of his party, promising to tackle crime. he is also known for supporting charter schools in the real estate industry and taking on racism in the police department of new york. meanwhile, updated tallies in the city council races show women are on track to represent a majority of the new york city council for the first time ever. before we go to our final story, nikole hannah-jones moving to howard university, rejecting tenure from you, her alma mater,

juan, can you talk about the significance of eric adams winning the democratic primary? he will then go up against the republican choice. juan: as we discussed a few weeks ago on the show, it seemed most likely adams would prevail given his initial lead and it turned out to beo in terms of the counts of the assateague ballots. -- absentee ballots. it was a close race t then again there were many candidates. he is likely to become the second african-american mayor in the history of new york city i have known eric adams for about 30 years now. he was a big source of my when i was a reporter on issues within the police department in waged a valiant fight back in those days against racism and police abuse within the department, became increasingly conservative as he

became a politician. the real story here i think is in the last year or two, there has been a considerable increase in gun violence ancrime across the united states. i believe a lot of it is police department standing down in response to the massive public criticism around the country and more more guns being funneled into black and brown communities. adams was then able to capture the majority of the democratic electorate in the primary as a result of the concern the defund the police movement was going too far and the voters, especially the black and brown communities, overwhelmingly supported him. i think that is the key lesson from this. but i think adams will be not as conservative as a lot of people think, but definitely not nearly as progressive as some of the

other candidates. amy: we will continue to cover what happens here in new york city. now we are turning to nikole hannah-jones. after months of controversy, the acclaimed journalist announced tuesday she is decided not to join the faculty at her alma mater unc chapel hill. instead the pulitzer prize-winning reporter will join the faculty at howard university, the prestigious historically black universities where the knight foundation has established a tenured, endowed professorship in race and journalism for her. she also plans to create the center for journalism and democracy. acclaimed journalist ta-nehisi coates, who is a howard alum and close friend of hannah-jones, will join her at the school. the decision by hannah-jones comes after her tenure was initially denied by the unc board of trustees in may after it was first unanimously approved by the faculty. the board typically rubber-stamps tenure for

professors who have won such approval from their peers. the decision to deny her tenure was reversed last monday after massive protests from alumni, faculty, and students. hannah-jones spoke tuesday on "cbs this morning" with host gayle king about her decision to decline the tenured professorship at unc-chapel hill. >> this was a position that since the 1980's came with tenure. it is designed for professional journalists working in the field to come to academia. every other chair before me who also happen to be white received the position with tenure. >> never been denied tenure before. >> exactly. i went to the tenure process and i received the unanimous approval of the faculty to be granted tenure. so to be denied it and only have that vote occur on the last possible day the last possible moment after threat of legal action, after weeks of moïse protests, after became a

national scandal, it is not something i want anymore. amy: nikole hannah-jones is best known for her work at "the new york times," where she produced the 1619 project, an interactive project that reexamines the legacy of slavery. she won the pulitzer prize for her work. she told "cbs this morning" why she things unc denied her tenure. >> has been reported is there was a great tool of political interference by conservatives who don't like the work i have done, particularly the 1619 project, and also by the powerful donor who gave the largest donation in the 70 year history of the journalism school. it is pretty clear my tenure was not taken not because of political opposition, because of discriminatory views against my viewpoint, and i believe my race and my gender. amy: for more, we are joined in greensboro, north carolina, by

joe killian, investigative reporter for n.c. policy watch who nikole hannah-jones credited with breaking the story about the "discrimination i faced in the unc tenure debacle." his latest story is an exclusive print interview with her, headlined "nikole hannah-jones declines unc tenure offer, heads to howard university." welcome to democracy now! we are talking about one of -- the oldest public university in the united states, joe killian. take us through it, what happened, and who the donor is -- this critical point that the university's journalism school named for, who intervene in this process. >> sure. it is a little over simplistic to say she was denied tenu because it was much more unusual than that. they just decided not to vote on it. just something you see in politics, not usually academics. killing something inommittee, making sure it never comes to a

vote, no one is on cord publicly one way or another. that is, commissioner meetings, not general you see on the board of trustees at a major university. that is what happened here. our reporting revealed not only was the conservative backlash to the idea of her working -- from activists anelected republicans, but also walte hussman, who is an arkansas media magnet who graduate of the journasm school who gave $25 million in 2019 which led to the school being named after him in the school agreeing to what he called his core values of journalism into a wall at the university i intervwed hussman and he said he had concerns about the 1619 project and also an essay

nikole hannah-jones had on reparations for slavery and he took those conrns although it up the chain. he did not get the answer he wanted from the school's dean o said thank you for your input that we are going to make this decision ourselves. so he went to the chancellor, the vice chancellor who oversees nancial giving and one word member -- one member of the board of trustees. juan: this whole issue of tenure for facult we have seen several battles now in recent years about prestigious diversities not approving tenure for prominent black and latino scholars. what do you say to people who say these are basically tempests in a teapot, that these are middle-class intellectuals seeking to get approval of a permanent job, lifetime job as

tenure is, in these universities when millions of americans want just a decent paying job and can't dream of having lifetime tenure? how important are these battles in terms of the battles over institutional racism in society right now? >> i think it is a microco of a lot thing we are seeing in the nation. at public universities, certainl the university of north carolina stem and unc chapel hill agship institution, these organizions , their govning boards ar political appointees. e unc ard ofovernors has one democrat right now because republicans in the general simply do the pointing. it is a democrat who lost his primary primarily because of siding often with coervatives and republicans.

the boards at chapel hill is staffed with white men, people whare conservates. does not look anything like the university itself. is the question of tenure whher you get a tenure appoinent champagne problem? i think it might seem that way for many people but nikole hannah-jones doesn't come from an ivory tower background. she doesn't come from an upper-middle-class backgroun she grew up in a working-class community where she did not know black peopleho went college. shwould to notre dame, to you is he for grad sool and worked her way up from the chapel hill news up to " the new york times" and won many awards along the way. when you see somebody doing what conservatives say theyhould do, look themselves up by their bootstraps, it sort of glass ceiling for ideological reasons, that is a problem for everyone.

amy: i want to turn to the megadonor and then the protester who at this point might have more power. this is using megadonor walter hussman speaking in a 2019 video about his $25 million namesake donation to the unc hussman school of journalism and media. >> we are invesng in calina anournalm because it is a very iortant te in arica americs are ing getng to realize ju beginni to realize they need to trust a trusted source of professional journalism. amy: now i want to turn to a student. when black students tried to attend the board of trustees meeting on wednesday, june 30th, where members voted on whether to grant tenure to nicole hannah jones, campus police forcibly removed the students from the room. >> get your hands off her. >> we told them several times --

>> get your hands off of me. let go! amy: this is unc student taliajah vann, one of the protesters in that clip, speaking on "black news tonight with marc lamont hill" about whether unc is a place where she wants to be now. >> they feel they can do anything to us, treat us any kind of way. ask yourselves honestly, this is what we saw do today on camera and the new the world was watching. how do you honestly think they are treating us when you're not being attention? i will never, ever, ever forget the lesson that unc chapel hill taught me today and i will continue to bring this up when i'm talking to potential black students were interested coming here in the future. amy: the was a police chief has resigned after what happened at that trustee meeting. joe killian, take us fr there, the power of hussman and the

power of protesters. >> i think what you're seeing in the protest clip is lot of pent-up frustration over a numberf issues dealing with politics and race at the university for years were students and faculty and staff members do not feel they have been heard and had conflict with the people are governing the university, governing the system who are very, very removed from who it is attending the university and teachers at the university, who the alumni are. if you look at the makeup, social makeup, the racial and ethnic makeup of these boards, they do not reflect the students. ideologically, they do not represent the students. there's a certain amount of frustration built up. as to how much influence they have, i think this incident proves that when the campus sorted speaks as one, faculty,

staff, students, alumni, major funders of the university may get the attention of those in charge but can they make real change? that is a harder question. only members of the journalist emily can change the leadership of the board was a people coming in are not any less conservative. i was a many are more conservative than the people leaving. juan: in terms of the impact of this knight foundation money what supposedly is also attracting other foundations, the ford foundation and others were multimillion dollar rent to howard university, what the impact is going to be at decision of these major foundations to in essence provide an alternative to what unc was solely in greeting to in terms of tenure here?

>> this is not the first time we have seen this. unc lost a major grant after the bacle over the silent sam confederate monument on its campus and how it handled that. it continues to come in conflict with major donors d to se donors and money from individuals who donate to the school to which, honestly, some of the folks running the school and running the university say, ok, fine, we're doing what we believe we want to do at we will continue to find the money to do that. you're not interested in changing direction bause these people who fund our work don't like our management. amy: students toppled the confederate statue in 2018. now the unc press is in the crosshairs of the board of governors who is refusing to reappoint professor eric mueller who criticized the handling of the silent sam statue.

we have five seconds. >> eric mueller is a renowned unc law professor who has been on the pressboard for two terms. he was expected to be reappointed but was notxxk[

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