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reporter: there are reports coming from a tv channel that the people responsible for the assassination have been arrested. under what circumstances, although supposedly according to a tweet, these men were apparently apprehended in the neighborhood where the president and his wife were living at the time of wednesday's attack. reporter: a suspected rocket or drone attack near the u.s. embassy -- the drone was shot down close to the green zone. there has also been a big explosion in dubai.
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anchor: farmers in the netherlands are back on the streets, protesting to reduce nitrogen emissions. officials say the plan will produce pollution. this is inside story. agriculture account for greenhouse gas emissions. people's source of food could be affected. nitrogen is proven to be a much stronger because for global
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warming than carbon dioxide. the excess gas often goes into waterways and contaminate streaking supplies. it also pollutes guys and puts people's health at risk. the netherlands is one nation taking measures in a number of farms may have to close down. that has angered many dutch farmers. we will bring in our guests in just a moment. reporter: farmers have taken their tractors. they are fighting emissions have to be certainly reduced. that would mean farms have to close down and farms have to move elsewhere. lots of questions about their future so they want some
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answers. environmental groups have said the government is not going far enough with the reductions. they suggest more reductions, more cattle disappear. that has angered farmers. lots of young people are here. people want to know if farms can still exist. anchor: the take a closer look at the impact of nitrogen on the environment. nitrogen is about 300 times powerful than carbon dioxide and heating our atmosphere, and it stays a long time, staying an average of 114 years in the sky before breaking up and depleting the ozone layer. nitrogen accounts for nearly 6% of all greenhouse gas emissions. a study found idriss oxide rose by 30% less for decades. in 2018, experts included the
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world is to cut the amount of nitrogen emissions in half to avoid disastrous consequences. time to rain our guests. in the hague, a former mayor. the chairman of the netherlands agriculture association. in amsterdam, we have to companion for sustainable agriculture. then in the u.k., a professor in its former director. a warm welcome to all. we spoke earlier about the power of nitrogen in terms of being a pollutants. what happens to the world if we continue expelling nitrogen at the rate we are now? what happens to the air and water? >> the key thing is applying
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agriculture. it increases the emissions of nitrous oxide. nitrous oxide is one of the most polluting greenhouse gases that there is. the first impact will be that we will continue to see global warming as a result of human activity. more importantly a good start, it has started to damage significantly to damage the soil. anchor: there is a lot at stake.
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is down 67% and all we are dealing with his new norms. what do you make of that? >> unfortunately, our nature does not care about norms. we have had such a huge number of animals in the netherlands. as a result, our nature is at a tipping point. we are obliged to protect nature from deteriorating. because government has not adequately dealt with this issue years ago, now we're in a really difficult position, and the problem has become worse. we need the government to take the lead and drastically reduce nitrogen emissions to adhere to the legislation again.
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anchor: what do you make of the current legislation? >> the conclusion as it is not going to be enough. we need long-term production goals and act as fast as possible, this is not only a nature crisis but we are also able to achieve climate goals. the only solution is to drastically reduce the number of animals and help farmers to a more sustainable way of producing food. anchor: as we have seen, there are people out for testing. farmers are concerned about their livelihoods.
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>> their frustrated because we have a plan with farmers and ngos, especially two who said they don't want to support the farmers. other organizations say let's work together, work together. if we have a good plan, we have the nature organizations. anchor: what is this good plan? >> we have a plan that ensures 40% reduction. second, it is cooperated --
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[indiscernible] inside the stable, outside the stable. >> you want different targets in the process. i can see you shaking your head. can you tell me why? >> it's always good that there is a negotiation and a plan. i think it supports our argument that the current legislation is not enough. like i said, we need to adhere to legal criteria. this is simply not enough. 90% reduction is necessary in order to achieve long-term nature goals, and if you focus
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on short-term it's not fast enough, and it focuses a lot on technological innovations. the secondly, if you are going to put farmers who are already frustrated through the whole process of remodeling all their stables, and because reduction goals need to be stripped afterwards for climate and nature, we have to acknowledge the number of animals needs to be reduced. you're going to frustrate them afterwards if the conclusion has to reduce the number of animals. let's just work together on this and create a plan like we presented last year we can have as many farmers as possible. anchor: i will come to you in a moment, i see you shaking your head area. i want to get your take on whether you think there any
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areas which are win-win. you want to -- are there any areas which you can see more broadly? >> to respond to some of the comments, i think there are two main forks in this area. the first is to engage with farmers. farmers are potentially the best environmentalists that there are. because it's actually in the long-term interest remain
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productive. the danger, the problem, the cycles we are talking about are much longer than the growing cycles that farmers have to deal with with their conventional production. the consequence of that, the farmer discounts and doesn't have a good business reason for working towards those goals. secondly, they are extremely risky. the first implementation needs to be to bring some of those future benefits farmers will receive will be brought forward. and secondly to create
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frameworks in which the risks farmers would otherwise experience could be transferred to others could be transferred to other sectors. that is the first part. the second part has to be regulation. the type of regulation that needs to be there has to allow for great ability and permits for emissions. we don't necessarily constrain ourselves to a rigid production system that is defined by regulation, but create a situation which is dynamic so the missions end up allocated to where it is best. anchor: i want to get your take
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on was being said. buying out farms. how is that being received and how costly is it for farmers to reduce emissions on existing farms? >> let me give you a clear answer. some farmers don't like it. the majority of the farmers agree with that plan. secondly, the pollution falling down with issues is one. innovation. there is a great farm in the
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pollutants, what if people were just encouraged to eat less meat or dairy? could that be effective here? >> both need to happen, but the netherlands exports almost two thirds of all the meat and dairy that we produce, and our country is left with the manure and consequences for nature and climate. it has to happen hand in hand, but if we look at the biggest problem, the production side, at the same time dutch people need to reduce their consumption of meat and dairy. if you look at marketing, it has to happen at the same time and fast. anchor: i can see you want to jump in. >> let me say this.
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what is the policy to export? especially what we are doing is, a lot of our healthy goods are going to our neighbor. germany. what is the point of that? the population is growing. 10 billion people. what is wrong? nothing is wrong. anchor: i would like to bring um. if we could extrapolate that to a global audience, what are some of the biggest nitrogen producers globally? what moves are being taken globally to mark how might that impact chains and food security?
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>> the biggest polluters are china and india. we know some of those countries are intervening to encourage better management to ensure nitrogen is being used more efficiently. food insecurity is potentially serious. we have a population that is growing massively. at the moment, large parts of the world are eating plant-based diets. it is probable those parts of the world will probably increase their demand for meat and dairy products.
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anchor: what does that mean for the health of our planet? >> it's not good news. as we have already talked about, the livestock sector in particular is responsible, but it's not just the livestock sector. the animal sector is farmed intensively. a lot of nitrous oxide. i firmly believe it's those of us that live in developed countries that need to take more of our fair share of the burden in terms of correcting this, partly because we have the technology available, but also because our levels of consumption are still significantly higher than they are in other parts of the world. anchor: greenpeace recently sent a summons to the dutch
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government. is that a pr stunt or do you think you can hold the government to account and get some sort of change through legal action? >> the nitrogen crisis has affected the dutch economy for a while. a judge already ruled that the way we deal with permits. it's really not enough. the only thing we are doing in showing the government they have a legal obligation to not make nature further deteriorate which has been happening for years. we all need nature.
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we are doing this out of concern for the future of our children. anchor: we are running out of time. how do you foresee these protests playing up? do you think farmers are putting any real pressure on the government to change course? >> yes, some ngo's have wide opportunities. our farmers are the best in the world at efficiency.
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healthy food from dairy -- fruit and vegetables. our entrepreneurs, like our farmers will make steps to reduce nitrogen. >> we are down to one minute. i want to ask you, do you accept that intensive farming in the netherlands is impacting negatively the environment through pollution? >> i don't agree. inside farming is sometimes very good standards, high standards. reducing emission policies. anchor: that you so much for your time. thank you for watching, lively
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