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the former head of the catalonian government has been arrested. he traveled to belgium where he has been living in self-imposed exile. spain has towards the separatist leader with edition sankey helped organize the independence referendum deemed illegal by spanish courts. he was stripped of his immunity in march. fire and lava are still shooting from a volcano in an island five days after it started erupting. walls of love and have engulfed everything in their path. the cost of to manage is estimated at more than $100 million. smoke and toxic gases are disrupting flights. those other headlines. the news continues here on al jazeera after inside story. ♪

host: as follow-up from the security package with the u.s., u.k., and australia reverberates joe biden is seeking to calm france. he called an outraged emmanuel macron. will europe go it alone in defending itself? this is inside story. ♪ host: welcome to the program. it is meant to counter china's influence in the contested south china sea, the deal between the u.s., u.k., and australia has

the written ties between allies prince -- allies. france is angered and rallying european orders. it found out only a few hours before it was announced, and the security partnership has caused paris a multibillion-dollar deal to build submarines. the u.s. and france have made efforts to ease tensions after a five day standoff. emmanuel macron agreed to send the french bested her back to washington after a full quote with the u.s. president, and joe biden pledged not to cut paris out. the two leaders agreed to meet in europe next month. >> there have been ongoing discussions and levels of engagement between the united states and france. the possibility of a meeting was something naturally discussed in advance, but also natural for the president to raise that, discuss it at the leader level. in terms of the tone of the

call, it was friendly. it was one we are hopeful this is a step in returning to normal in a long, important relationship with friends. host: france also recalled its envoy to australia. president emmanuel macron did not take a call from australia's prime minister. scott morrison says he will be patient in mending ties with france. >> we understand that the disappointment and that is the way you manage disappointment. it was a difficult decision, and we had to wait what would be the obvious disappointment to france , but at the end of the day is a government we have to do with this right for australia and secure australia's national security interests. i will always choose australia's national security entrance first. host: the british prime minister

urged emmanuel macron to get over it. prime minister johnson: this is fundamentally a great step forward for global security. it is three very like-minded allies standing shoulder to shoulder creating a new partnership for the sharing of technology. it is nonexclusive, not adversarial toward china. host: leaders have rallied behind france seen by german leaders as the wake-up call by the bloc on the importance of showing solidarity. that led to more leaders calling for independence from the u.s. and threatens to freight a major cooperation summit between the es -- u.s. and eu.

let's bring in our guests today. from paris we are joined by the president for institute for european security. from brussels, the center for russia, europe, and asian studies, and london, the managing director for europe at the eurasia group. if we could start by going over relatively recent old ground, france has said it has been stabbed in the back. what on earth were these allies thinking? were they not thinking at all? was this a deliberate ploy to keep france in the dark or apolitical snafu? guest: i think you're just will be able to speak to how the french perceives what happened. the reaction from paris is driven by four factors, trust

and integrity between allies, and that clearly in this instance was not the case. friends does have substantive interest in the indo pacific region. this disagreement cuts across in a direct way. the political economy angle, the loss of the contract, i think that is not as important a factor driving is reaction. it is a feature macron needed to get out on the front foot and certainly speak to public opinion from his side, but i do not think the reaction was intimated by domestic politics, but how the french feel in terms of what allies were doing, it is a combination of opportunism on

the u.k. side, a change in leadership all the australia side, and sloppiness on the west side. host: what are we to make of the situation? who would have benefited from global constant -- open consultations from allies? guest: i imagine we would have seen the strength of french diplomacy, but i do not think this would have taken place even if there were free consultations. it did not leak out at all. in the australian press there i've been complaints about the french not meeting their delivery dates and the problem in cyber hacking of the plans, so this was also a concern in australia. the australians made that known to the french. the french are acting too surprised that this happened,

and france, this is their biggest fear choosing not important on the international stage. their historic rival is working with u.k. and australia. macron, this is an election year for him. he has to act to on the world stage -- tough on the world stage. we have seen an olive branch being sent out by president biden to president macron and it gave him everything he wanted. he wanted more support, which he is getting and there was a lot of talk about ending the upcoming corporation technology council was going to be canceled

. i think we should be careful not to conflate france with the eu because it is a bilateral trade issue, and it is not that everyone in the eu is necessarily supporting friends on this -- france on this. host: do you agree with that particularly about sending extra -- extra help. the u.s. is going to supply extra help to french led antiterrorist operations. is that going to be enough to placate france? >> absolutely not. president biden did not comply totally to what france was expecting. of course he used diplomatic words of having better consultations, but does that mean france will be engaged with the united states, britain,

countries gathered today in the southern pacific? we are not sure. does that mean france and its partners will have the certainty that the united states and europe are on the same truck when it comes to reassuring the participation of united nations operation seven. they never accepted the strategic cooperation under chapter seven. i am not sure the president macron and obtained when he wanted, absolutely not. host: we are told that the call between president biden and president macrina was friendly enough what can we expect at the meeting between them next month? >> to be honest we should have

expected the united states would not interfere in the other contracts in the region. we take the example of -- that we will send to india. i have in mind as well the upcoming deal we will strike with indonesia. it is obvious the united states are pushing for the f 35, so i am not quite sure that the diplomatic language used between the two presidents are sufficient to calm the situation. this is a political statement, a domestic issue. there is huge pressure on president macron not to go and put aside a certain number of statements, be more

re-assertive. a huge part of the political opposition here in france calls for the demand of nato. host: is france diluted militarily and diplomatically? guest: i think the biggest fear for france is that they will be seen as irrelevant, and this is what most diplomats have mentioned, the real fear of irrelevance, and the u.k. it seems to be the chosen partner rather than france and all of this, and there is also the monetary issue in regard to all of this. the previous speaker mentioned selling weapons systems. france would like to have these contracts but we have seen other political as well as military cooperation. australia shows france because it was not seen as frightening in regard to the neighborhood but the strategic landscape as

change, and countries feel that they need to work with the major power like the united states. host: would you agree with that? >> certainly not irrelevant. we know all about emmanuel macron's agenda for not only france but french power within the european union and the european union being autonomous, having the power to use the single market to be more strategic in the world and to look after its own values and protect its own interests. i think we will see micro -- macron -- we have seen interventions from the european commission, the

european parliament president as well as from a number of other foreign ministers, and i suspect that pressure within france and in europe will grow. what it will ultimately result in remains unclear. you could see europeans deciding to leverage the single market to do more in the area of trade, using its economic and regulatory leverage in a way that aims to use this strategic economy to take on more practical unions. i do think what happened has long-term structural consequences and understanding what those are will take some time. host: as eight g7, g20 economy, a permanent member of the security council, a key decision-maker in the eu and a pacific power will the august

allies come to regret their treatment of friends? -- france? guest: france committed -- greeted the commission -- created the commission. 1.8 6 million french live in that area. 35% of that sea is in asia-pacific, so we are definitely in asia-pacific power. i am not sure france wants to be part of the delta. -- build up. it is partly to contain the

military buildup of china. i am sure a certain number of our eu and european partners prefer a political and diplomatic agenda is a bigger threat. singapore will join the aukus. there meeting with minister suga and others to contain the rising power of china contains two elements. the soft and hard influence of china is not only in the south pacific or indo pacific area. it is in the african continent, and there we have a say on that.

the situation in afghanistan has shown china as overshadowed americans taking care of their departure, and we have to consider china is already in europe, so the biggest threat and biggest assessment to contain china not only in the asia pacific area but in the asian continent. host: do you agree with what you just heard there? where does france go from here, and is it deliberately prolonging this pet -- spat in order to get something, competition perhaps? guest: some are calling whine diplomacy, the more noise france makes the more it can get in

exchange. china as 1.5 million people in this region, it has a great deal of blue territory and they are working closely with the u.s., the french navy, and the u.s. navy or together in this region. many analysts have assumed france, after they have this period of the protest, that they will have to go back and work with the u.s. because they have interest there and there is a close partnership anyway. this idea of strategic autonomy as been going on since groundhog day. this idea of strategic autonomy is very weak, and the only alternative is to create a stronger european movement within nato. they like to think they are going to leave the rest of europe, but this is a huge problem, and the other idea

occurring constantly in europe is that russia is really a problem that, because the u.s. is becoming more laser focused on the into pacific, so that means europe will have to up their anti-, improved defense spending burden sharing in their own neighborhood. we have seen russia and china cooperation in the mediterranean with naval exercises, russia and china cooperation in the baltics, but i do not see this waking up europeans and wanting to increase defense spending, so there really has to be a wake-up call and less political theater and will efforts. it is time to do something. host: what are the implications of this august deal, the treatment of france for the eu in particular and its own security and defense policies and admissions? guest: the answer to that question is quite straightforward and boring, not

much. look at germany as they head to their election on sunday. you are looking at it week prime minister sitting on a strong coalition. emmanuel macron has his election on the 10th and 24th of april, legislative elections in june. you are looking slowly for the next year of the complete lack of synchronization between france and germany. beyond that, what happens structurally is incremental integration but nothing meaningful. french-u.k. ties, those are extremely strange. we have got to remember the context for the france-u.k. relationship. it was already one there was --

where there was little trust because of government behavior. this has fed into that context. the last point i will make very briefly as i do believe we are moving into a situation in the u.k. in europe that will be more escalatory. it is unlikely you will suspend the protocol. that again is going to exacerbate the bilateral relationship. host: how do those comments from boris johnson go down and there in france when he told president macron to get a grip? guest: we are laughing, we considered him a junior partner. london is about -- abiding by the american agenda, and we

cannot forget the huge dance of the united states -- stance of the united states. the minor european application, but to be honest we can compare some elements. now only three major military powers in the western hemisphere appeared to have the full sphere of capacity, france, the united states. we have a full-spectrum capability of deploying troops. we deployed troops in africa, syria, and iraq, and we are still deploying troops in iraq. not to bully on the great britain side, you have to take

into consideration there is a political agenda both in australia, france, and great britain. a certain number of australian leaders are not very happy about this decision. the previous prime minister was -- minister decided to be very precise, saying it was a political mistake to bully on france and only decide to speak with the americans. host: i am sorry, but we are running out of time. teresa, one more question about president biden. a french politician described president biden sidelining france as something that will only benefit the chinese. how damaged is president biden's reputation here? guest: i think everyone

understands that this would not have happened if there was consultation, and the u.s. has made it quite clear that they are going to work with coalitions of the willing and that groupings, because otherwise it is too difficult to do. with eu member states it is impossible to get them to agree on one thing. all you need is one member state to block it. aukus is the beginning of more mini-laterals. france will understand and get along because it needs more security cooperation. i think this period of protest will end. we must keep an eye on the ball that it was because france was unable to deliver and they had increased dramatically the cost to australia what australia thought why don't we just bite u.s. nuclear powered -- buy u.s.

nuclear powered submarines. france should reflect on this and it is not only australia complaining about the french military complex. i hear germans complaining and other countries. they need to look inwards. host: we must leave it. many thanks indeed. thank you as always for watching. you can see the program at any time just by visiting the website. you can join the conversation on twitter. for me and the whole team, thanks for watching. goodbye for now. ♪

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