12/27/21 12/27/21 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> people marched and demonstrated anti-apartheid end ed! and democracy and freedom were born. amy: south african anti-apartheid leader archbishop

desmond tutu has died at the age of 90. today we will hear the nobel peace prize winner in his own words on fighting apartheid to opposing the u.s. invasion of iraq. >> we said then, not just that it was illegal, but immoral. amy: we will re-air two democracy now! interviews with archbishop tutu, and two speeches. one in anti-war rally in new york in 2003 and when he joined activists u.n. climate summit in in the u.n. climate summit in copenhagen in 2009. >> that is the reach to escape? [laughter] we either swim or sink together.

we have one world. amy: today, archbishop desmond tutu in his own words on war, apartheid, palestine, guantánamo , climate change, and more. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. coronavirus cases are skyrocketing in the united states and in many parts of the world with the fast spreading omicron variant combining with lacks public health measures and holiday gatherings to drive daily infections to pandemic level highs. here in the u.s., more than 200,000 people are testing positive for coronavirus each day, nearly reaching last winter speak with the u.s. on pace to surpass one million dly infections in january.

u.s. airlines canceled thousands of flights over the christmas holidays, citing increasing rates of illness among flight crews. many schoolistricts and colleges have announced every turned to online classes. public health officials warn of a surge in pediatric covid-19 cases with northeastern hospitals saying a fourfold increase in the number of children hospitalized in the past two weeks. in china, some 13 million residents of the city of -- have in order to remain at home after officials reported more than 200 coronavirus infections, the most china has reported since march 2020. the strict lockdown comes just weeks before beijing is set to host the winter olympics. at the vatican, pope francis used his christmas address to advocate for universal health care and access to vaccines. >> inspire all men and women of

good will to seek the best ways possible to overcome the current health crisis and its effects. open hearts to ensure the necessary medical care and vaccines in particular are provided to those people who need them most. amy: archbishop desmond tutu, the south african anti-apartheid icon who championed human rights struggles around the globe, died on sunday at the age of 90. in 1984, desmond tutu won the bel peacprize for his work fighting to end white minority rule in south africa. that same year, he traveled to washington, d.c., where he denounced the reagan administration's support of the apartheid government. after the fall of apartheid and the election of nelson mandela as south africa's first black president, archbishop tutu chaired the truth and reconciliation commission where he pushed for restorative justice. tutu was a prominent opponent of the u.s.-led invasion of iraq in 2003. he condemned the israeli

occupation of palestine and spoke out against torture and the death penalty. after headlines, we will hear desmond tutu in his own words on war, apartheid, palestine, guantánamo, climate change, and more. israeli prime minister naftali bennett said sunday said he plans to double the number of israeli settlers living in the occupied golan heights. bennett announced the move after the biden administration signaled it would not challenge donald trump's recognition of the golan heights as sovereign israeli territory. israel captured the golan heights from syria during the 1967 war and annexed the territory in 1981 in defiance of international law. in burma, human rights groups say at least 35 civilians were massacred by government forces friday as they fled fighting in a village in eastern kayah state. among the dead were women, children, and two staffers with

the international aid group save the children. photos from the site showed charred bodies in three burned-out vehicles. the u.n.'s top humanitarian official, martin griffiths, condemned the attack and called on burma's military rulers to protect civilians. aid groups say a crackdown by government forces has left more than 1300 people dead since burma's military overthrew the democratically elected government of aung san suu kyi in february. the bodies of at lst 27 refugees, including a baby, were discovered after they washed ashore in the western coast of libya saturday. the refugees likely drowned in recent shipwrecks as libya has become a key departure point for those trying to reach safety in europe. meanwhile, the bodies have 16 people who were among another group of 27 refugees who died last month trying to cross the english channel were returned to the hometown in iraqi kurdistan. this is one of their family

members. >> and a stand, for more than seven or eight years, there's been a lack of work and young people have no work in the government sector or the private sector. all these some people travel to achieve their genes and goals -- dreams and goals provide a decent life with dignity because unfortunately, under this country, they do not live with dignity. amy: in northeastern brazil, authorities issued flash flood warnings after a pair of dams collapsed saturday night amid heavy rainfall. officials say the floods have driven over 35,000 people from their homes. parts of bahia state have rainfall six times greater than the december average. here in the united states, hundreds of temperature records fell over the christmas holiday weekend as texas and southeastern states experienced spring-like conditions. dallas-fort worth airport hit 82 degrees on saturday, a christmas record for north texas and just seven degrees cooler than the

high on the fourth of july. texas lawyer sarah weddington who successfully argued the landmark abortion rights case roe v. wade died sunday at the age of 76. weddington was just 26 years old when she brought a class-action lawsuit challenging texas' ban on abortions all the way to the supreme court. the court's 1973 ruling set a precedent legalizing abortion nationwide that stands to this day. in 2012, sarah weddington spoke with kpbs public television about her long career. >> as i was growing up, there were some new limits on what women could do. women could not even run full-court basketball. we got half-court and two dribbles. we did not get credit unless our fathers were has been signed for us. now most people get a credit card offer every week. we did not get to make decisions about our own reproductive.

we did not get to go to law school. i was in the first group of women who went to law school. we did not get people pay. wh we have been doing all these years is trying to push back areas so that women -- barriers so that women can make more decisions. amy: earlier this month, the supreme court's conservative justices appeared ready to dramatically rollback roe v. wade as they heard oral arguments on a challenge to mississippi's 15-week abortion ban. in el salvador, three women serving 30 years in prison under the country's strict anti-abortion laws have been released. the three women had been convicted and sentenced to decades behind bars for having obstetric emergencies. el salvador has had a total ban on abortion since 1998. dozens have been arrested and imprisoned, accused of inducing abortions after having stillbirths, miscarriages, and other obstetric emergencies. the three women's release comes after a november ruling from the inter-american court of human rights saying el salvador's government had violated the

rights of a woman identified as manuela, who was arrested in 2008 on charges of provoking an abortion. she died in prison two years later. literary icon joan didion has died after a battle with parkinson's disease. she was 87 years old. the bestselling novelist, journalist, and essayist came to prominence with a collection of articles about culture and life in 1960's california. many of didion's works have received several honors and are considered to be modern classics. didion is best known for books including "play it as it lays," "the white album," and "the year of magical thinking" -- for which she won the pulitzer prize. in georgia, two former election workers have filed a defamation lawsuit against rudy giuliani and the far-right one america news network after they were falsely accused of manipulating votes in the 2020 election. the lawsuit states fulton county poll workers ruby freeman and her daughter, who are both african american, received death threats after a "campaign of

malicious lies designed to accuse them of interfering with a fair and impartial election, which is precisely what each of them swore an oath to protect." in minnesota, a jury has found former brooklyn center police officer kimberly potter guilty of first- and second-degree manslaughter in the fatal shooting of daunte wright during a minor traffic stop in april. video from the killing showed potter, who is white, pointing her nine millimeter pistol at wright, who was black, repeatedly shouting "taser!" before firing a single bullet into wright's chest. potter claims she drew the pistol by mistake. kimberly potter will be sentenced in february. she faces up to 15 years in prison, although under minnesota sentencing guidelines, she could receive as little as six years in prison. in california, los angeles community advocates are condemning the police killing of valentina orellana-peralta, a

14-year-old girl who was fatally shot by lapd thursday while she was inside a burlington clothing store's changing room trying on dresses for a quinceañera. police arrived at the store after receiving reports of an alleged assault. officers then opened fire on an unarmed man who was also killed. preliminary information on the shooting indicated police bullets had penetrated a wall, killing the 14-year-old girl. and in mexico, the parents of the 43 ayotzinapa students who were disappeared in 2014 led a peaceful protest sunday in mexico city as they continue to demand justice for their children. the parents are urging the government of andrés manuel lópez obrador tell them the whereabouts of the students. this is one of the fathers. >> she was there still alive.

we cannot say they are dead until we see proof. we believe they might still be alive somewhere. that is why we are here with our hope and faith in the bridge in guadalupe who is the mother of all mexicans. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. today we spend the hour remembering archbishop desmond tutu. the south african anti-apartheid icon died on sunday at the age of 90. in 1984, he won the nobel peace prize for his work fighting to end white minority rule in south africa. that same year, 1980 four, travel to washington where he denounced the reagan administration support for south africa's apartheid government. >> apartheid is an evil, immoral, and in my view, the reagan administration support and collaboration with it is equally immoral, people, and

totally unchristian without remainder. amy: in 1988, he risked jail by organizing a boycott of regional elections in south africa. >> i urge black people to register. not to vote in the october election -- [indiscernible] i am aware of the penalties of teaching to this call. i am notifying the government. i am obeying god. amy: after the fall of the apartheid and the election of nelson mandela, archbishop tutu chair the child -- chaired the truth and reconciliation commission where he pushed for restorative justice. he would later become a vocal critic of the anc, the african

national congress, under the leadership of presidents thabo mbeki and jacob zuma. this is bishop tutu speaking in 2011. >> you and your government don't represent me. you represent your own interest. and i am warning you out of love, am warning youike i warned the nationalist. i am warning you, one day we will stop praying for the defeat of the anc government. amy: archbishop desmond tutu slammed the anc in 2011 for not granting a visa to the dalai lama who was invited to attend his 80th birthday.

archbishop tutu was a leading voice for human rights and peace around the world. he opposed the iraq war. he condemned the israeli occupation at palestine, comparing it to apartheid south africa. in 2014 he backed the palestinian-led bds or boycott, sanctions, and divestment movement. he also spoke against torture and the death penalty. in 2011, he recorded a video calling for the release of imprisoned african american journalist and activist mumia abu-jamal. >>'s guilty verdict must be considered more than flawed. it is an acceptable. he is en denied the right to a new trial based on racial bias in jury selection, has faced years of prosecurial and police misconduct and judicial bias. amy: well, today, we will spend the rest of the hour hearing archbishop desmond tutu in his

own words. we begin by going back to february 15, 2003, when tutu spoke before a massive rally in new york to oppose the imminent u.s. invasion of iraq. >> people marched and demonstrated in the berlin wall fell and communism was endded. people marched and demonstrated an apartheid ended. and democracy and freedom were born. and now people are marching and people are demonstrating because people are saying no to war! we say no to war!

-- you need legitimate authority to declare [indiscernible] only the united nations is that legitimate authority. any other wall is a moral. the just for says, have you exhausted all possible peaceful means and the world said, no, we haven't yet. and any war before you have

exhausted all possible peaceful means is immoral. and those who want to wage war against iraq must know it would be an immoral war. you know those who are going to be killed in iraq are not collateral damage. they are human beings of flesh and blood. they are children. they are mothers. they are brothers, they are grandfathers. you know what? they are our sisters and brothers, for we belong in one

family. we are members of one family. god's family. the human family. and how can we say we want to drop bombs on our sisters and brothers, on our children? we said no to communism. we said no to apartheid. we said no to injustice. we said no to oppression. we said yes to freedom. yes to democracy. now i ask you, what do we say to war? >> no! >> i can't hear you.

what do you say to war? >> no! >> what do you say to death and destruction? >> no1 >> what you say to peace? >> yes! >> i can't hear you. what do you say to peace? >> yes! what do you say to freedom? what do you say to compassion? >> yes! >> we want to say, president bush, listen to the voice of the people. for many times the voice of the

people is the voice of god. listen to the voice of the people saying, give peace a chance. give peace a chance. let's say it more so they can hear you in the white house, what do we say to war? >> no! >> what we say to peace? >> yes! amy: the late archbishop desmond addressing the massive antiwar rally in new york on february 15, who thousand three, the day millions rocked the globe for peace. will he come back, we will hear the nobel peace eyes laureate talk about guantanamo, torture, and more.

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amy: "a song for bra des tutu" by winston mankunku ngozi. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we are continuing to remember the life and legacy of former south african archbishop desmond tutu, who died on sunday at the age of 90. i interviewed him over the years. in 2004, i spoke to him at the culture project after a play about guantanamo. i began by asking archbishop desmond tutu what his response was to what was happening at guantánamo. >> i thought i knew what was taking place there, and i was quite shocked when i sat through the play yesterday, just how devastated i was. i was particularly so because i

had such an awful sense of deja vu. for someone coming from south africa, you -- that's exactly what they were doing for exactly the same reasons that they gave. when you said, "why do you detain people without trial? why do you ban people as you are doing?" and the response from the south african government was, "security of the state." and anyone who questioned it would then be regarded, especially if you are white, as being unpatriotic. and i just want to say to you, is this something that you want

done in your name? isn't it time there was a same sense of outrage that people had about apartheid, which people should have had about the holocaust? what would happen if it was americans held by some other country under these conditions? the point is, god has actually got no one.

the god we worship is strange. they say this god is omnipotent, but god is also very weak. there's not a great deal that god seems to be able to do without you. [applause] amy: during your years in south africa before the end of apartheid, you were a deep advocate of non-violence, yet you saw so many detained, so many killed. what do you feel and what did you feel then? how did you make it through those days? what did you advocate? how did you stick to your principles of non-violence?

>> [laughter] one of the wonderful things actually is -- i've got to speak as a christian -- is belonging to the church and knowing that you belong to this extraordinary body. when things were really rough, it's wonderful to recall for me now that i sometimes got -- when the south african government had taken away my passport, i got passports of love from sunday school kids here in new york and i plastered them on the walls of my office. but although i couldn't travel, hey, here were all of these

wonderful people all over the world. i had a --- i met a nun in new york at a particular time, and i asked her, "can you just tell me a little bit about your life? how do you --" and she said, "well, i am a solitary. i live in the woods in california. i pray for you. my day starts at 2:00 in the morning." and i said, "hey, man! i have been prayed for at 2:00 in the morning in the woods in california? what chance does the apartheid government stand?" [laughter] so one was being upheld.

you know, when frequently you say to people, the victory that we won against apartheid -- a spectacular victory -- that would not have happened without the support of the international community, without the support of people like yourselves, without the support of those who were students at the time who might have been crazies, but they were fantastic in their commitment. and in this country, actually, they showed that you could in fact change the moral climate. because at the time, the reagan administration was totally opposed to sanctions come in students -- but not just

students, the many, many people who were prepared to be arrested on our behalf, who demonstrated on our behalf, who boycotted on our behalf -- well, they changed the moral climate to such an extent that congress passed the anti-apartheid legislation and they even managed a veto override, which was fantastic. and so i just happened. i always say i was a leader by default because our real leaders were either in jail or in exile, and sometimes when people say, "and he got the nobel peace prize," i say, "well, actually, you know, it was that they thought maybe it was time it was given to a black." and, ah, he has an easy surname,

tutu. [laughter] >> tutu. imagine if i had a surname like waokaokao. [laughter] amy: archbishop tutu, how do you feel -- [laughter] amy: how do you feel about -- >> you can't pronounce that. [laughter] amy: how do you feel about the invasion and occupation of iraq? >> it was fantastic seeing the many, many people who came out in opposition. it was fantastic. you know, sometimes when you

say, "ah, americans," or, "oww, people nowadays don't care." it's not true. millions turned out. millions. millions said, "no. give peace a chance." [applause] and i said and so many others -- i wasn't the only one. the pope said so, too. [laughter] the archbishop of canterbury said so. the dalai lama said so. but this war, if it was to be a justifiable war in terms of the just war theory, would have to be one that was declared by a legitimate authority. [applause] and the administration here was

aware of that. that's why they went to the u.n. there's no point in going to the u.n. if you had already decided -- they probably, of course, had decided -- but, i mean, there was no point unless they believed or they realized in order for it to be legitimate and therefore justifiable, the only authority would have to be the u.n. and when they didn't get what they wanted from the u.n., they did what they did. we said then, and we keep saying so, not just that it was illegal, it was immoral. and the consequences of it just now -- i mean, you have to be, you've really got to be blind to say, "well, yeah, it's ok. we have removed saddam hussein."

why didn't you say that was the reason for going? because the world would have said, "no, no, no, no. that isn't a reason that will be allowable for you to declare war." and i'm sad. i'm sad that we seem so inured now. they tell you that 100 people have been killed, and the united states and its allies are doing that. and they say, "no, no. we targeted that house because our intelligence said so." intelligence. the same intelligence that said there were weapons of mass destruction? please.

that's been done in your name. that mothers and children have been killed. and when you say, "what about the civilian casualties?" they say, "sorry, our intention was to target insurgents." and most of us, i think, just shrug our shoulders. but you see, you experienced a little bit on september 11, the kind of thing that is meted out on a regular basis. and they're not -- they're not casualties.

collateral damage. collateral damage, i tell you. how do you feel if someone says the people who died in the world trade center and in washington, d.c., collateral damage? say that to someone who lost a wife. say it to someone who lost a child, someone who lost a friend. "collateral damage." it's an obscenity. it's an obscenity. amy: the south african archbishop desmond tutu who died sunday at the age of 90. i interviewed him at the culture

project after a play about guantánamo in 2004. 17 years later, guantanamo remains open and u.s. troops remain in iraq. when we come back, we will hear art bishop desmond tutu on palestine, war, the climate crisis, and more. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break] amy: "woza moya" by south african jazz musician herbie

tsoaeli. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we continue to remember the life and legacy of south african archbishop desmond tutu. he died on sunday. his funeral will be held on new year's day. we turn now to an interview i did with him in november 2008. we spoke at the south african vice consul's apartment in new york. it is a pleasure to have you on democracy now! your response to the election of the first african-american president a son of an african , man from kenya? >> yippee! [laughter] no, "yippee" actually -- it captures something that is almost inevitable. it's very close to the kind of

feelings we had on april the 27, 1994. and some, maybe a few people in this country, have said it was as it was with mandela -- mandela moment. it's a moment when, especially people of color, have a new spring in their step. they can walk a great deal taller than they used to. and that even though this country, the united states, experiences very considerable racism -- i mean, people being dragged to their deaths behind trucks -- yet it's a country that, in fact, has had this extraordinary experience and it's something that has filled

people with hope that the world can be a better place. amy: how did it feel for you? there were so many millions of people who voted for the first time in this election for barack obama. how did it feel for you? how old were you when you first voted in south africa? >> 63. amy: 63 years old? when was it? what year? >> 1994. that was first time. and the first time for nelson mandela. and he, too, this extraordinary human being, and the many, many, many, many others. actually, in a way, you will say white people who had always voted in racially discriminated elections were voting for the

first time, voting for the first time in a democratic -- truly democratic -- election. so we were all, as it were, on the same page. but it was -- i said then, when i was asked, "what is your -- how do you describe how you feel?" i said, "well, how do you describe falling in love? how do you describe red to someone who is totally blind? how do you speak about the glories of a beethoven symphony to somebody who is deaf? well, it's like that. i mean, i'm over the moon. i'm on cloud nine," as were most of my, if not all of my, compatriots on that day.

amy: what do you think is barack obama's greatest challenge as president of the most powerful country on earth following eight years of george w. bush? >> yes. very clearly, it has been the fact that for those eight years you've had an america that followed a unilateralist line, an american that would not ratify the kyoto protocol on climate change. most of the world had, and america just said, "go jump in the lake." most of the world had ratified their own statute that set up the international criminal court, which is where the people

who were responsible for september the 11th should have been appearing. that you are going to have -- most people believe that he's going to be welcomed as the leader of the free world who will be more collaborative, who will be more consultative, who will not seem to want to throw the considerable weight of america around and seem to want to be the bully boy. i have said -- i did a piece for "the washington post," and i said one of the things that will demonstrate a clean break from the previous administration would be closing the abomination

guantánamo bay. and one would then hope that there would be a much more conciliatory approach to iran, not the, say, the belligerence that has largely characterized the bush administration. and i would hope, too -- and that's a major challenge -- that there will be something to be done to bring a viable peace proposal for the middle east, to end what i reckon is an unconscionable suffering of the palestinian people. we should end the firing of kassam rockets on israeli citizens.

amy: you were blocked from going into gaza in 2006, leading a u.n. delegation there after the killing of a number of palestinians. >> yeah. amy: what do you think has to be done now with the middle east specifically, with israel and the occupation? >> there has been some very interesting moves with the outgoing prime minister suggesting that israel has to consider very seriously the proposal of going back to the boundaries of 1967. that's a very important initiative if that was taken.

i think that we would have to move very quickly to lifting the embargo. the suffering is unacceptable. it's totally unacceptable. it doesn't promote the security of israel or any other part of that very volatile region. and it is quite contrary to the best teachings of the jewish faith, you know. and i know, i mean, that there are very, very many in israel who are opposed to what is happening. and i pray fervently that there

will be a boldness, you know, in saying we've got to resolve this because i think if that -- well, no, let's not say "if" -- because a lot hinges on what happens in the middle east. let's say when that is resolved, what we will find, i mean, that the tensions between, say, the west and the muslim world and large part of the muslim world, i believe, myself, what we will find that that evaporates and that this -- this is a saw, chafing, and it's mucking up too many things.

and i pray that this new president will have the capacity to say we've got to do something here for the sake of our own humility, you know, for the sake of our children. amy: would you compare the occupation of gaza and the west bank to apartheid south africa? >> i have to speak about what i know. i mean, most people -- a jew will usually speak about their experiences and maybe compare whatever it is that is happening with what happened in the days of the holocaust. for me, coming from south africa and going -- i mean, and looking

at the checkpoints and the arrogance of those young soldiers, probably scared, maybe covering up their apprehension, there's no way in which i couldn't say -- of course, that is a truth. it reminds me -- it reminds me of the kind of experiences that we underwent. i mean, i was bishop of johannesburg and would be driving from town to soweto where we lived, and i would be driving with my wife and we'd have a roadblock. and the fact of our having to have passes allowing us to move freely in the land of our birth,

and now you have that extraordinary structure, that -- the wall. and i do not myself believe that it has improved security, breaking up families, breaking up -- i mean, people who used to be able to walk from their homes to school, children, now have to take a detour that lasts several -- i mean, it's -- when you humiliate a people to the extent that they are being -- and, yes, one remembers the kind of experience we had when we were being humiliated.

when you do that, you're not contributing to your own security. and all you are doing is you're saying to those people in all of their desperation, "we're still human, and there are things we will not be able to accept -- i mean, just sit down. we'll have to -- we have to do something." and so you get the suicide bomber. and one does not condone them, but one understands perfectly how people can be driven into a corner. and out of that desperation -- and so you have that cycle. the response of israel to the

suicide bomber, which you know is going to provoke another cycle. and one says, no way, that's not how god intended to us live, that it is possible -- it's been shown. it happened in south africa. it is possible for people who have been enemies to begin to think that they can be friends, at least to coexist. amy: the international criminal court, should barack obama as president signed onto the icc? sign the treaty for the international criminal court? >> yes. if you believe in the rule of law, you say this is one particularly important instrument because it is an strument that is -- no longer tolerate impunity.

the many who are guilty, as is happening just now in the drc or in darfur, that people who are guilty of egregious violations have to be brought to book, and it's got to be done in a way that satisfies those standards that we have. i mean, you don't hold people in detention without trial. that's what the world used to say against the south africa government. and if it was true that that was wrong, it has to be wrong consistently everywhere. amy: president obama supports an end to the war in iraq but a surge of soldiers in afghanistan. what are your words of wisdom to him?

>> well, i say that obviously it's to end the war, yeah? to end the occupation, to -- but i've also said it would wonderful if, on behalf of the american people, he were to apologize to the iraqis and to the rest of the world for an invasion that was based on lies. amy: the late archbishop desmond tutu of south africa. i interviewed him at the south african vice consul's apartment in new york in november 2008, just after the election of barack obama. desmond tutu died sunday at the age of 90. we end today's show with his speaking to a group of youth climate activists outside the u.n. climate summit.

>> i want to say thank you to all of you, especially you beautiful young on. we oldies have made something of a mess of the world. and we want to say to the leaders who are meing, looin the eyes of your grandchildren. climate change is already a serious crisis today. but we can do something out it. if we don't -- if we don't, hoohoo! [laughter] there's no world which we will leave to you, this generation. you won't have a world. you will be drowning.

you will be burning in drought. there will be no food. there will be floods. we have only one world. we have only one world. if we mess it up, there's no other world. and for those who think that the rich are going to escape? [laughter] we either swim or sink together. we have one world. and we want to leave a beautiful world for all of these beautiful, wonderful young generation.

we, the oldies, want to leave you a beautifuworld. and it is a matter of morality. it is a question of justice. amy: the late archbishop desmond tutu of south africa, speaking to youth climate activists outside the u.n. climate summit in copenhagen in 2009. he died sunday at the age of 90. his funeral will be held on sunday. on new year's day. to see all of our interviews, the speeches of archbishop tutu, you can go to democracynow.org. democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to democracy now! p.o. box 693 new york, new york 10013. [captioning made possible by

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