(upbeat music) - what's your problem? what's your solution? this is an interview series about making the world a better place. how do we want our lives to change beyond the covid-19 virus crisis? that is the question of this special series of kamp solutions. as a family therapist and executive coach roz zander has specialized in finding pathways to possibility. she is a master at opening doors inhallenging situations. when all roads seem to lead nowhere it is a skill anyone can learn and it is much needed in times of crises. welcome to kamp solutions. (upbeat music)

- we're in a time when everything is different you know, there's a big cris. first of all, of course there was the fires and then there was social unst and it's very unsettling in society. what do you say to people who live in fear? - well, most people realize if they're living in fr, it isn't actually helping them. and 's a natural reaction. no, i'm t here in california in some very nice woods and a deer will co by and i want to make friends with that deer, but it's not going to make friends with me. 's gonna run like mad. and we are wired as aighting ecies and also a fleeing species. so that's the natural state of human beings. now, what i say to them is it's time in our history

that we rewire our natural state that we learn not to react with fear. and how do you do that? well, you do it with understanding that it's a natural thing to be feeling but it's not helping you. that actually gratitude and love is a feeling. and if you could concerate on those two feelings, you can overcome fear at times and you can make it a life discipline that is important with covid for instance, that we are afraid that we'll catch the virus but we do knowhat there is to do about it. and we call it science and observation will tell us what to do about it. and we can only count on that and then let go of the fear and show our love and gratitude among all of us. it brings to life, creativity and connection. and we all know that, that is a way through this kind of thing.

- so let's talk about the other crisis we're dealing with the social unrest, the resurfacing of racism, which of course was never really not there but people are more aware of it than they have been for a while. there's a lot of pain there. how would you address that kind of pain? yeah from the perspective of possibility, history and pain. - well, history has already happened so that it is being revealed, i think is one of the most positivehings that's happened in our country for a very long time. i am thrilled that these very peaceful protesters are out on the streets. yes, there are some fringe people, probably young people probably really damaged peop who just wna make havoc and they are that, and this is an opportunity for that when they see everybody on the streets.

t the ma thrust this is so beautiful. and so opening, we are now realizing and of course, i often think every single please let uthink about, all the creatures on this earth who have suffered from being dominated. women have gone through that. i mean, we all know i don't suffer over it, but i ceainly have had plenty of examples of why i can't get ahead. why nobody will listen to what i say at a dinner party. i've got a stronger voice now than used . (laughs) so i think it's a little bit better but that's minor compared to what has happened to the people of color and oh god and the native americans and the legacy of slavery is really incredible.

and we don't pay attention properly. and i hope we learn from this. we become a species before it's too late. and i say too late, because we're doing soany things that could just make it impossible for us to live on is earth. i hope we understand that all of us with consciousness can help each other cane together. - if we look at society about politics to begin with t you know it's actually more than politics. it seems there's such polarizatn. you're either in this camp or in the other end. and there is no meeting ground. it seems anywher i mean, if a says b, then b says a and they wi never meet. how do we bring those things together? because ultimate we need that in a society to live together. - yes and of course, people

are understanding that we need that. they just feel helpless to do anything. one of the things i just heard,ichael porter who's an economist, very famous economist, and he'sorking with a woman and th wrote a book and i heard him speak in the last week saying it is impossible to have a democracy in a two person says two sided system because always polarizes. you'd always go out that way so one thing that the possibility here is realizing that we're set up wrong. th is of crse my theory, and it's not only mine. thatife is made up of ories. you get yourself embedded in one way of looking at life. and it all seemsrue. and then there may be completely opposite way of looking at life and it all seems true. as long as the kind of syntax of it holds and you keep hearing it.

so one part of ourociety is listening to one newscaster who is saying exactly the opposite things that the other one is. and you can't argue somebody out of that. you can move out of it. you can smile your way out of it. you can love out of it, but you can't do it by logic because they already have their logic. - i guess it would help to come up with a new story, to write a new maybe a story about society that is different from the one and other stor the third story. - well, i told you one already, which was, we live in a story and that's a new story. - yes, it is a new story. - and if people understa th they will take everything with a grain of salt because they understand it not these are not enemies. they just are living in a different story. - if we were to sort of help the world. so we wanna do that. and from your perspective,

what has done kind of the first step what's the first thing that people that can help people now how do we meet the other? - well, you know how to meet the other. and i know how to meet the other, look in his eyes, her eyes, and recognize the humanity there. i have to tell you a story that just came to mind. i was in south africa, a man came to my seminar and he said, "i came because you saved my life and i wanted to thank you." i said, "have met?" he said, "no." so he told me this story. and that is that he and his wife had read the art of possibity, which is a book i wrote. and it's about this kind of transformation that we're talking about he.

and his wife was reading the art of possibility at that point. and they turned off the light anwent to sleep. and some robrs came into the house and bound them up and were rough. and he turned to his wife and whispered, "the art of possibility." and then he signaled to one of the men, come here. can i have a glass of water please? and they looked in each other's eyes and the man got hi glass of water, undid somef the ties. and he knew at that point they were gonna be safe but it wasn't clear before that. so he was acting on the idea that the human connection is where all the differences is

can slide away. and apparently it may not though. i mean, if you're george floyd and you're under a knee and you can call for youmother and you don't have that eye contact and there are too many there it doesn't work, but it's still worth doing. and we will ner forget the way george floyd was. 'cause that that's the humanity there. - if we were to try to develop that practice on a daily basis in these times, how do we do that? where do we begin? what are the steps in towards mastering the art of possibility. - being aware that you're complaining about people or being aware that you're complaining about life. what you want to do is make the ground of your existence, be le, compassion, gratitude, because those three emotions

will help you enormously in life, ormously but you know, people wilargue but how you can't feel that way all the time. i mean, me on. okay i'm not telling you, you he to, i'm just inviting you to. so that's where i would start with myself, always with myself. i never have to think what's fair? is it his fault? is it my fault? because you can always take responsibility for anything that goes wrong in your life. i mean, that's people would laugh at that but there isome truth to that. u could always look behind the incident that made you upset d find where you were the process. the next step is to realize, or to decide

or tell yourself the story that we're no longer in a only a locaexistence. 're all global citizens. meang the connection goes all the way around the world. i mean, it is absolutely absurd that we are in some kinds of in some of the conflicts we're in, when it wouldn't do the world any good, if any one of us won. (roz laughs) - that's so self-defeating yeah. let me give you the example that i guess is a real example now and it becomes, it becomes harder for me. so the example would be, you know, a family that has two working parents and in this crazy economy everything is closing down and people lose their jobs. how do youeal with that crisis situation?

- well, for people who have means give generously, give generouy, that is a basic tenant of possibility. i used to give assignments for a class. and the onof e assignment was for the young people to take home with them giveore generously than you think you have the resources for, just give more generously, always go beyond. and so if you cagive mon or if you can give time, any of it, just get it during this. and don't think that anybody's suffering doest have something that isn't impacting you because it does. - if you were this powerful person that you uld change a rule one rule in society, what would that be? or what would the one thing is that from now on,

we're going to do this like that. what would that be? - charity and generosity where the rule of the day of course, ii could make a rule that people discover that love isn't something that happens to them, thathey can nerate love. they can generate compassion even in circumstances where they're just horrified. you can still do it. we have an enormous capacity for overriding what our first instincts are if it's important to do so and human beings are incredibly flexible and adaptive and look at what we've adopted to and changed. and even in this covid time, which is the great news. people have followed directions more or less. now they followed the directions

from the particular story that is telling them to do it. so the democrats are following the direction from the story of the democrats and so on, but we can do it. we can stay in our houses. we can wear masks. i mean, it's unbelievable how different our life is and we can do it. now there are certain things that i worry about climate change, more than anything else. and what's called upon is a change of behavior. it's a big story to combat and we're doing it. but if people all believed in it the way then i think we would master it very quickly - you said that beautifully, you know we can generate love in any moment, every moment of the day in any situation. if you were able to do that i guess we begin of solving a lot of problems, if not all.

- yeah. we'd solve lots of problems. - climate change included. - yes. climate change included. (roz laughs) - because it doesn't seem to relate to love but i guess people live from the perspective of love. you know, rela to differently with nature. - my husband now makes slight fun of me because i thk of myself as a fly whisperer. and i think if i were in a prison cell and i had a fly in there with me, i'd beuch better off. - well, i had stories about that people befriend cockroaches in prisons cells. - their consciousness. if you don't think all those little creatures are conscious just wch for 10 minutes. that's to see how many decisions they make. - would it help for people to be spend more time in nature? - it would help a lot. fit of all, it would make their brains better. and that, because it, lots of studies on that.

and that's usually something that will convince people. if you take a half hour walk, you know in japan, they have a practice with people who have jobs in corporate entities that they gout for ha an hour and walk in a forestecause they're better workers. they're smarter, they're quicker. and so on nature is the most compannable place you can be. i think of, i mean, i'm now sitting in a room that has no particular companionable newness to it, but it has windows. i can see how the trees are companionable the movement the lines, the light. and if you just stay there long enough you will feel so welcomed in, were made of the same stuff. - it is ultimately what we probably

need the most is a change of mindsetso be more together. and you say for you, the first step of that mindset is that generating love. and we see it even today in those beautiful moment in london where the black man was carrying the white man who was basically his enemy in the protests. and so there are these situations where we step in maybe the answer is that the solution is always very nearby. it's close - very close, good point enduring. and it may be mayba lot of change if after november we have a different government but our government continues to be extremely divisive. and that's just what we don't want we say, but we have a particular president

and it has to be theruntil his days. i mean, that's our rulin - yeah, you already know that when there will be a change of government and i think many people will look forward to tha there's going to be group who's gonna very disappointed and gonna be if not very angry, you know, you need leadership. like we have at one point mandela in south africa who realized that if he was going to estrange the whites that he was never gonna be able to create peace in theociety. and so already thehallenge for any next president after the current one is that you need to bring back into society the other people who will be feeling that they now will be you know that they are the enemy of the new government. - and they will be removed from power, which will be very, very upsetng for them because they basically, most of them don't have a lot of power in their lis anyway. and the power that they've gotten

in the past four years is the power of action and violence and so on. and so it will be, but we haveo pay attention to that. these people need to be brought home. - big challenge is for a lot of people, where do you see the hopeful signs and what are they? - well, the hopeful signs are our ability to react on a global ale to a crisis. i mean, that is fantastic. and we need to do that. and we haven't had to do it except maybe in a world war, but not on the scale. we've had to do it with covid. so i think that, that's a very positive sign that we can. - can you see that we take the same decisiveness towards what you consider the biggest challenge climate change? - well, yeah, so that's of course what i want to have happen and do whatever i can with my means to promote that

i have a practice in the art of possibilityalled, being with the way things are. and i think of it as the bridge between sort of despair or dnwards spiral or all that, and possibility and being with the way things are means, you keep youeyes open. you'll always be seeing things in a story but you can see a fair amount that everybody would agree on. and that's what i call, the way things are. whatever everybody can ok at and ree on is the way things are. so have people look at whas happenin with the environment, you know, gore has of course now 's politicized, but he has incredible films on what's happening with climate change around e world. we want more and more people to see that. and in a way, the fact that we've all had to go onto zoom

instead of being in person, is developing the capacity that we all have to be able to relate this way and to get information this way and feel like global citizens this way. that is a big step forward, those films and much of what we have around us falls into the category ofhe way things are that we can all see, adding science to the way things are, what we can't see but we have experts tellings, th together is what we need to move forward. and then creation occurs. you have the science, you have the observation and now you can make up ne things to he the world whh is happening all the time. i mean, the amount of creativity that's been going on

during thitime, it's just amazing. - do we alsoee something like people, there's a bit of maybe a change in values that there's more space for companionship, maybe love, compared to direct rays of money? is that a shift that too? - i imagine there is how much that continues after everything opens up and people can get back to making money i don't know, but we should watch the births that take place nine months from now - your discovery of the flies. was that in the recent months or-- - no, i'm afraid to tell you that i w a fly lover long before. (laughing) - would you suggest that people, that it would help to embrace the flies and if not the flies, the fwers? - it's very portant to love the fly and the flower,

because what you're doing is exercising your cacity to love. th's what we need, love doesn't come from the outside. i mean, people can tell you, they love you. d then you say "i'm not sure he really loves me." (roz laugh all that nonsense. but that's not where love is generated. love is generated from you and from him and from everybody. and it can, it is something that takesractice. now, if you' had a great upbringing it's easier because you had practice from the beginning. if you hav't, and ve had a lot of trauma, it's harder onou because fear and dislike comes in the way. and it's feaand dislike was very important for you in those years. it is not important for you now.

fear is only uful if you've been to e danger and do something about it. it is not useful in any other form. and so it's important to be able to have this extraordinary muscle for love. and thateans you smile a lot. it helps to smile. you open your arms. it helps to en. you'll jt try that, just try it now. and do you feel different in your body? - yes, it is. i agree. it is. that's my, thi and this makes a big difference. know yeah. - and i'm encouraging people to realize that they can have more than they want if they realize they can generate love and appreciation. and of course, forgiveness as well.

how do you hang on to blaming people? i don't know. - there's always an opportunity to begin generating ve for the fly, the flower and the tree you know, the next person you meet in the street. - yeah. and for me as a painter, it's very useful. i can't paint a painting unless i've generated love for what i'm seeing. - thank you roz. - a pleasure. - generating love is the most effective response to a crisis. love opens the door to possibility. it is a practice that requir discipline for z zander that discipline can begin with the love for a fly or a flower. this was kamp solutions st well and see you next time. (upbeat music)

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