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the muni in western north carolina, that this is where they learned to pl ay. if you got thin skin, if you can't take it, wrong pla ce. [music playi ng] cy young, jr.: muni, that was the blacks fi rst started play ing. billy gardenhight: one of the best pl aces where you see camaraderie with the white and the bla ck. pete mcdaniel: it's you, the golf ball, and the golf cour se. no one can influence tha t-- no o ne. [theme m ic] - [a nnouncer]: major funding for reel south was provided by: etv endowm ent, the national endowment for the ar ts center for asian-american med ia south ar
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ts and by the corporation for public broadcast ing, a private corporation funded by the american peop le. [birds chirping] [funky mic playing] coez baxte i got io golfnd reallstar te gettg just swamped th fai reand miakes andrustration. i id, th is my ge! [laughs] is is my g ame. billgardhight: ercise, t what ty buddie have n, yokn ow. even t preachers geout there. anthey cuss ery noand th . pete maniel: obsession ithe word, and it'sure insa ty. cy yng, jr.:t's someing fferent
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ery ti you swinthe ub.dal raord: i beeve we a p lay the me for t same thg, and we have r 400 years.that etional feeling imp ac that'she momen thate play for. dwightryson: a i playevery dathat i c get up out ofhe b ed. matt bacoate, jr.: mental therapy, physical ther apy, and sp ort. cy young, jr.: but however, is the alle e is what love out playing golf. it's thehallenge. it'she purchle nge. te mcdanl: becau nothing beats youp like lf just aolutely hamms you on d ays. buthen the nexday, itmay kissou on the ch eek and leave u stotallyinove all er aga . speake2: i think it hes my meal outlo, just geral ly u kn owbilly gardenhit: i jusput rist fir, familyec ond, anthen golf. cortez baxter: when everything cut and dried, said and do ne the swing the thing. per dy, lowebo
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dy-- it's goto move tet her.it's jt like m icharm y. everybody knows the muni. just about everybody in western north caro lina that learned to play golf, thi s is where they learned to play it, including me. [jazzyusic]darius rker: likit is toy, on mt mornin at ni--
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in t 1920s, lf had ctured e intere and imanations m any. and in this booming city of asheville, north carol ina, public parks were being built for the residents and touris ts including a public golf cour se. it was to be one of the finest courses in the coun try, according to the desig ner. but it would not be so difficult for the average go lfer to despa ir. and it was said that at $0.50 a rou nd the course would soon pay for its elf. keith jarrett: you know, it was the first municipal golf cou rse north osouth calina th thentent ofet ting the go to the mmon man.darius rker: the coursedesignerould bece a lege nd. and his name was donald ro ss. he was a scots man. he had come to america with $2 in his poc ket. quickly establishing himself, first as a play er and then as the foremost buildeof golf cour ses. the rmland ang thswannanori ver soon bece the ashelle mucipal go cou rs which opened in 19
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27. while ross built both private and public cours es he was on record saying, there's no good reason why the l abel "a rich man's game" should be hung on go lf. cy young, jr.: to me muni is very histori cal beuse thatas wherehe blks firsttarted pyi ng. usic pla ng] billgardenhight: two fellow friends of mine was talking about caddying the biltmore for est. and the money that they made, $3 and $4-- back in '45, that with a lot of mo ney. and i went to the golf course with t hem. and the first day there, i made $3, man, ani thought i was ri ch.so that'what staed me tcaddyingyou kn . rius rucr: the guyswho were caddying here at t muni d the other ubs in t 1940s a ' 50s were caring on traditn that went baca few generati ons. golf had come to asheville and many places in the s outh during the later part of the 19th cent ury.and phograph thugh the ca
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des sh the clo relationsp rican-americ ans had working at the clubs often carrying the clu bs. it was money, yes. but it wasas you mit say, aixed b . billgardenhit: well,you had me good guys and you had some that had nothing to do with y ou or wte ver. dwht bryso oh man, you gojerks evywhere y go. i don't re what u do.but y not work fo 'em cade for m.sometimes you d to d sometis you di 't.dariusucker: but it introduced them to theame thatould ange theiriv es learningt d playin it a way they uld. biy gardenght: wel we lened our ings frothe guy thate caddiefr om. te mcdanl: the teaway, how they setp tohe ball, d all ofhat-- got at from em.dwight bson: andf you und a 5 on, a 4 on at was t club yomaered and u play with it.so aft that, ias a prthen, i ou
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ght. cortez baxter: now, y'all will make the second course. anit's they' on thtee righdown there.now,ust goight wn the hill. you'll s ' em. the arter-- get erybody lid up. likeoday, itasn't nowe at. but so day it's ct ic you kn what i an you gofolks imti ent. you can driveturn yr licens in. it'sust someing at i likto do. inact, i d't know what wo uld do ii didn'tave is to fa back . d i eny it thoug hly.i meanit's notork to e. pete mcdiel: he' somee who isot ally in love with the ge of g f. you want tsee an old-ter who ts it, les it, bathes ?that's bax. usic playi
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ng] cortez baxter: i never thought it'd go this far. i nevethought d gethis deein it. t i get eper andee per.matt bacte, jr.:'ve be charg witco rtez stating that i'm the one that got him hoo ked. cortez baxter: a friend of mine, he brought a 7 i ron toork onni ght. he wasn'a golf . sn't nonbeside crew o there of fi ve clnup cr . we srted piting ound witthat c b. buthey hadorseshoeox es. i don't ow what the stance hsesh oe-- t anywaywe'd chi wi that 7 on. anone day,ne of t guys said let'go to thgolf course. i said, ll i n't have c lub.i don'have--didn'tone of s. thonly tng we d beeen us w that 7 on. d we camout here a we jt knocd
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it around. i ot a-- i s livingt 111 and street.i shot11 that day.that's theeason irememb it so vid ly. th was pur there. if iasn't leningi'd tu it lo e. bui learn mething everytime iick up a lub. i ll folkshat, a theylook ame like,ou're crazy.but i .it's smuch tle arn. 's a bigbig ga . pete maniel:billy s a stud likelarger than li fe.they cled him ack ja -- u know, e blackjack nkl aus.big man, cou hit the bl a mi, a greashort ga me he was friendly when he knew y
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ou.but he didn'tnow you,he could bkind of ern. and at's how wkind of loed up to billy,lthough heas n't at much der thane we re was likan elderstatesn because he haso much perien . he was areat player. and he you kw, he ki of took er black olf inhiarea, tobe hest with ou. arlie xie: i pyed lot withilly d billy uld hit it.billy cod hold s own wi it.he and i wouldlay, ande'd have a l of fun geth er lly's ke m he's getng a lite olnow, and he cat get arnd li he us to,but he still lly gardhi ght. cg robson: i glad see hiout he . th has beehis li . thisas been s life-- olf. i'm ad to se him upcome b k to playi after h had at leg ten o ff yoknow, yothink abt th atif he dn't golall hislife, couldn'do t
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hayou dot kn ow you ow t ha you n't kn .billy gardhight:well, my mom, she al ways told me to don't be afraid to do what you got to do. so we'd be walking through town a lot of times, and people used to step off the side walk to let white folks by. d she'tell mto stayn there, you k no so i just grew up that w ay. most stores had two founta ins. they had one white and one colo red. sears & roebuck and all those places, that we couldn 't-- wa't supsed to dnk ouof the wte fountain. and wh we goto high hoola lot us usedo say, don't wt no lored war to da want ite wa r. we'd go er the and getrun outhe storor whatever. at's morlike i ight bryn: most acks uldn't py out here until mond ays. couldn't pl . t i coulsneak on the back ni ne. billy rdenhigh no, whe i fit saw
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ityou kn they hadhat theyalled cadds' day, whicwas monday. so i started hanging around the clubhou se picking up balls and washing down the por ch. at the age of 13 i started playing pretty g ood. anthey wou take mearoundnd they uld gamble.and ife won moy, i'd get a ttle b . so that'the way real gottart ed [music pyi ng] speaker 3: aww, man.billy gardenhight: people would drive by the golf co urse and they'd holr at ya and throw s tuff t the caat m or at not. back when th did ange, in 954, when they made the ruling that they had to integrate public parks, a fella named boris la yton and myself went to the golf course on sun day. i had a lot of mirac le. i wasn't sca red. and the next day in t paper it had negroes show at golf cou rse. and people in beverly hills talking about sell ing their houses and whatn
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ot. and it went on like that for a few d ays. then the golf clubhouse got burndo wn sohey figured that somne set the clubhouse on f ire because of t his. but at that time, a lot of black f olks were just raid to do things because thi ngs would haen to th somet e. dariusucker: evenbefore the ire, it was clear that many in ashevi lle opposed desegregation at m uni. thcity enttained fers to ll theou rse to a prite groupn order skt the degregatiois sue. bubilly anothe protest at t city cocil meeting, and the sale was stopp ed. billy gardenhight: the lawyer a sked meo make aittle spee ch. and made a speh that iwould ke to be pro one dayand plea don't sell e golfourse, a whatn .councien laugh at us, said all boyso on bacho me. wein't goi to sellthat gf courseyou kn . d here ware with lawyerand anher eldey man. th called em b oy u know, things ke that,you kn,
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stick th you ll yo life, y k now. darius rucke the cit reilt the ubho us withouthe seco flo orbut over theext feyears, integrat play increased, and asheville muni became the first municipally ow ned public course in the south to embrace full desegregati on. billgardenhit: buafter we got started, man, they start flirti ng. i said, oh. pete mcdaniel: but this was freed om. this gave us a place to pl ay. that's the greatest rt about olf is that it's an individual eff t. it's you, e golf bl, anthe golf rse. one cannfluenceha t-- no ne you' total in control. anfor peop-- or apeople who had ever been in ntrol ofanythi, i th k th was a rl appealof theame of golf. rius rucke after bly and the other african-americ ans flooded out to muni and played any day they wanted, in 1959 a group of pla yers organized the skyview golf association
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and tourname nt. its hope was to promote golf in the black commun ity and help players to become professio nal. the first skyview golf tournament was held in 1 960. and it soon became one of "the" tournam ents on the african-american golf circu it. [music playi ng] cortez baxter: skyview was the biggest thing in western north roli na. dwight bryson:ig bimajor ev ent. billy gardenhight: well, the best year, we had 254 golf ers. dwight bryson: people from north, south, east, west-- they're coming in cadill acs. they're coming in buicks fords, even taxica bs. cortez baxter: well, it's got a long, colorful histo ry.
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charlie coxie: yeah, i've seen this place just covered up with peo ple. you couldn't be-- you couldn't get parking ace anywherearound h e. paul erett: i member bk in the dwhen you wou have crowds of people actually lined up on t front se anon the bacsi de tt bacte, jr.:any of t golferwho beca pga pla rs they play here every y ear. dwight bryson: and these guys, they all play in wha t's called the chitlin' circ uit. and they play in their tournaments all arou nd you kn ow. cortez baxter: we had some tremendous golf ers come tough h e. pe mcdanie you nam it, ey playehe re.lee elde charliewens, chk thor, jim thpe, jim nt james black, nate starks bobby stroble, all the gre ats play here,n this trnam en you were black goer anyou wereorth yousa lt you played in the skyv iew. billy gardenhight: oh, man, i know it w as-- it was beautiful to se
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e-- at that time, i would say in 1963, ' 64 that many black folks mixed with a few white fol ks. pete mcdaniel: and these gu were good. they'd come on this golf course and shoot 63, 64, or 65. cy young, jr.: the first time i remem ber this guwas onhe pro t m-- ack guy-and hisnameas chuckho rpe. and chuck was getting ready to hit the ball on the first tee,and heas usinghe 3 od off t gro unand knked it othe gr een. and i thought, holy cow, that man can play some g olf. and guess wh at? he was tou gh. i'll never forget him. heck of a golf er. pete mcdanl: there weren't many tournam en that blacks could play in. billy rdenhigh well, had never
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ppened bore like his. they h had touamentsbut usua y it was a tournant that was spo ored by white folks in miami or califor nia or somewre like at. but asheville, north carol ina? dwight bryson: it was good for the communi ty. most of the adult blacks knew the skyview was coming to to wn. it was like the parade christmas para de. "skyview's in to wn. skyvie w--" billy gardenhight: skyview really was jumping at one ti me. i mean, we had a party on thursday ni ght. and we'd have a thousand people at the da nce. dwight bryson: band, banqu et-- they'd call your name on the speaker. "andinner ofirst pla --" matt bacte, jr.:beautil feel g at it crted with me, and i'm su, many oer negroes. it hadn indelie ma rk [music playi ng] paul everett: i really wish that african-americans
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knew about the history of what took p lace as their partipation increasein g olf. and u have qte a w golfer now who haveo idea oback inthe dawhen we d to go live inhe private hom beuse we wen't allowed to live in the motels and hotels in asheville because of the jim crow l s.and, you know, that evol ved. anhow i catell youstories that you pba bly wouldn believebut lot of t guy - i ow of onguy, bby stroble, heould tral with afryingan in higolf bag because we weren't allowed to eat in certain restau nts and whatnot.and yojust didhe bestyou cod with wt you d. buthe stories arplenti l. jee alle well, ts waone of t only places weould pla you ow, backn the y.theyot a lotf hist y. mo all of e blackpros tt really t hat played t tour us to py the skyv iew. backhen it w moreafcan-amer ans onhe pga tr, back the 0s and
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's, than is now. cause th had the typeournamen w here you coulplay eve w eek. this walike a springbod to trying get to e pga ur but now you don't have-- either you play the pga tour play thweb.comor youo find a job. pete mcdanl: it was a placfor them to play competitively and earn a little bit of m oney and plus get their hustle on. which it was-- they a lot of ti mes made more money hustling than they did from the g olftournament purse its elf. keith jarrett: chuck thorpe, quite a charac ter. you have part of the thorpe golfing fam ily. he w the skyview five or six ti mes. they came to town and it was just-- it was rollicki ng. and all these guys were like th at. they were characte rs. and you don't see that much anym ore. and it's-- i miss th at. and miss tha part of the skyv iew. buit was fun back in the d ay.
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rius rker:0 years ter, thekyviewradioncontinueevery ju, with billy stilrunning e tourna me from the registration ta e.petecdaniel: ileft he in 993. so i've en gone yea rs daus rucke and a d that grew in mucomes ck to st connect to h roots igo lf. pete mcdanie it's 10-over,ight n . t at's allig ht.cort baxter:s that r ht? pe mcdaniel: that'all right. ey're familyplain ansimp le st of ese olr gu helped is me. loie gilliam: rememberwhen y were a little b abpete mcdanl: it st was my hea j ust to s them, a see thestill ove the divot, ai say, still long this me. richard a, what' happin', b y? richarpea: howyou do' brot r? how's eryt ng? te mcdanl: how you doin',y man? chard pea: good ein' you man. nne gillm: i gue i've bn comingut h ere fo40some y rs. anit's alm ke a homom ing, becausas soon you e each o er yowant to g each o er. you wanto greet ch other with
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some al mea ng d streng of all the ars thatoe by. and that reallywhat's iorta nt usic pla ng] dari rucker:he tonament ctinuesto bng peopltogeth . fred turn: i'm rdy toet out he and e what can do is morning. daus rucker: witfolks li brotrs fred d leroy rman king therip om chica everyear to mp eteon t course ey gw up o fred turn: i'm one of tse g uy i n't careow well know u,when iee it upy whe attitu chang cause m a winner. and i belie that ian beat the average guy out th ere. te mcdiel: ey're l nerv s. ey're ouhere tod playg in a gf tourna nt d it cnges eveth in ur nerveare e dge. lee epherd: y guysglad tosee everody agaithis y r, assual, fothe skyview. the field
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a littl lit this ear. but xt yeait'll be ull. guaranteyou th . i omise yoth at. pe mcdanie i wouldlike to paho mage to theeople ose oulders s tandon todaymembers the skiew golfssociation. cy yng, jr.: can't say enough about b ly. 's a pio er. anhe's thene tha engiered thekyvi ew d he'seally pued it hard. and it mes him feel goowhen evhe is ab to see many ople comg out fo it.lee shherd: th is bly gardenhig ht the dictor of e skyvw golf aociati .he'slso my f her. buif you would, gi him und of ala use. [cheing and plau se [mic playing] petecdaniel:ou see all of tse old pple out re. it's a bygon era.we'rstill holdg on. 're still play g. 're stilenjoyinghe g ambut we jt didn'transfer r lovef the ga to ouki ds keh jarrett: especlly inhe skyview
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i don't see young african-american golfe rs. i ven't foye ars. th's unfornate and hope thatrend wi cha nge. pete maniel: aolf tourment at has mnt this mu ch which has that much history, can't just go a way. and the way for its legacy to live on is through yo uth. [mus playi ] darius rker: andilly? heoldieron, playing everday he can enjoying ery rounde can. billy gaenhight: well, i love it. i'm just glad i'm able to come out and pl ay. someeople, wn they have ampations a thi ng ke that,hey justive up i'm not ving p. i sa i'm gon keepoing til i-thgood mter comefter m usic pla
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ng] fred turman: i enjoy seeing this, because i see the people are coming toget her. and i really feel that this is the way it should be all of e ti me pete mcdiel: howare we goi to ge tonow eachther unls weet to kn each other? you knowhat i mean? and thgolf course is a perct p la meet ople people w may n ha anything common expt trng to play ts ga mecortez baxr: i ju enjoy l ife. i enjoy it. [mus playi ng] my wife told me one day, said, honey u gonna e on thgolf course. i id, i'd e ha pp [funky music playing]
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