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[speaking foreign language] [speaking foreign language] >> a neglected conflict strains it ties between algeria and spain, diplomatic links have been cut because of a dispute in the western star region, what is behind the recent -- the western sahara region come was behind the recent escalation and canopy salt -- can it be solved? this is "inside story."
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♪ nick: hello there, welcome to the program i am nick clark, a contested region in northwest africa is straining ties, the algerian government has suspended a friendship agreement and halted all trade except for natural gas for now. the region was a spanish colony until 1975, rocco then took control -- morocco took control name of that was not recognized internationally. algeria is supporting fighters that has been calling for independence in western sahara. they endorsed morocco's plan to give some autonomy to the region. madrid once more energy supplies from algeria while the same time putting pressure on morocco to stop the flow of migrants into spanish territories in north
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africa. >> at the moment we are looking into the scope and practical consequences of this measure both at the national and european level to give a correct response in a calm, constructive, firm waived to defend spain's interest in those of its businesses. nick: it is been the subject of a long running territorial dispute led by the polisario front. the room and the region is is that home line -- home land. the dispute led to a 16 year conflict before the two sides agreed to a u.n. backed cease fire in 1991. two thirds of the region is controlled by morocco, last month the netherlands joined the united states and other countries supporting morocco's plan to grant some autonomy. al jazeera -- algeria is the
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main supporter of the polisario front and many refugees live there. let's bring our guest now in new york we have ambassador sidi omar, polisario front representative at the united nations. in casablanca we have yasmine hasnaoui, north africa affairs specialist. in lisbon we have riccardo fabiani, project director for north africa, international crisis group. a warm welcome to each one of you think you for joining us today. ricardo come if i can start with you, how serious you think this development is? riccardo: i think it is pretty serious, particularly considering this is only one episode in a long series of, let's say tele tori -- retaliatory measures algeria has taken against spain. the past weeks have shown very clearly that the algerian leadership is very much bent on the idea that they want to put
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maximum pressure, as mugs -- as much pressure as possible on spain to push madrid to change his position on the issue. otherwise they are ready to make spain pay a heavy price for its diplomatic shift. this is, obviously i would say dangerous and alarming for spain, particularly for a bilateral diplomatic perspective considering the energy ties and migration issues between the two countries. is also worrying for europe and other european governments that can now see taking this specific stance in this conflict without considering the point of view of other parties involved in this dispute can actually bring a very heavy price. nick: you mentioned energy there. at the moment algeria's supply to gas -- of gas to spain is
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still flowing. at what point would algeria weaponize its supply, if you will. riccardo: i do not think algeria is ready to weaponizes gas applied to spain, they know very well given the situation in ukraine and russia, weaponizing gas would be seen as an unacceptable move by the european governments who are just looking for libel supply -- reliable suppliers at this stage. there are other things algeria can do to put pressure on spain using gas. one could be the renegotiations of gas prices with spain. that would not be a full-blown weaponization of gas. there would be a way of using gas to put pressure on spain and a signal very clearly that algeria is displeased with the position of madrid.
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nick: how do you think this will affect what happens in the region, algeria breaking up ties with spain? yasmine: first of all it is important to recall the viewer, just a little bit, very briefly, the genesis of these -- basically the tension is solely between morocco and algeria since the reintegration in 1975. algeria claimed the move through its second president and to counter morocco and its legitimacy the claim to the western sahara. is a board to highlight that algeria's decision to sever ties with morocco, spain, or any other country aligned with rocco, in its list -- historical legitimacy in the western sahara comes after -- i think algeria
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will continue when it sees a country that is aligned with morocco or aligned specifically with the u.n. resolution that calls for a clinical solution -- political solution and a plan of autonomy. i think they will continue to sever ties with whatever country will align with morocco. it does not serve the country, does not serve the world, especially with the conflict with russia and ukraine. i think that -- more recently we have seen countries like also germany that align with morocco. nick: we will come onto that in a second. you talked about morocco's legitimate claim to western sahara. that itself is in dispute. it is a mess, it demonstrates the need for morocco to step forward and sort it out with algeria. yasmine: absolutely the two
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opposing countries is a regional conflict, is a conflict between morocco and algeria. that is all the 34 resolutions called for a political solution is called for. specifically algeria to step up to the plate and participate in the geneva roundtables that was standard -- was started. they are now calling for these talks, they refused to take part in these talks. what is surprising is that it is really impeding that political process by severing ties with any countries that is aligned or sees that the real solution is a political solution, morocco's plan of autonomy, the two countries, it is a regional conflict. algeria needs to step up and sit
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with morocco and solve this 47 year -- nick: you've made the point, algeria's impeding progress, what you think of this further shift towards the moroccan position? sidi: let me start by setting the record straight, the question of western sahara is a colonization issue, the kingdom of morocco is recognized by the -- up barely one of your guests said to me was out of date in terms of the buccal nature of the western sahara. what is most clear at the heart of this issue that we are talking about, the growing tension of our region is to be explained by one main fact. there is a regime that has been pursuing an expansionist policy -- nick: we will come onto that and a second, please answer the
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question -- what you think of the shift towards spain for the moroccan position? that will affect what happens regionally. we will come to your other points, please answer that first. sidi: we cannot understand what is happening now in the region, and the relations you are talking about without putting it , even briefly into its historical context. we are talking about morocco that tried to invade algeria in october 1960, -- morocco that has claimed mauritania for many years and took nine years to recognize. they try to -- in july 2002, this is a regime that has been using expansionism as a tool. nick: ricardo if i can come to
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you, what is your view on this? this shift from spain is quite a distinct move. it was always likely to produce a response from algeria. riccardo: we are talking about the country that colonized the western sahara over several decades and most portly from a eagle perspective still considered a colonial power of this territory sensed a in 1975. in theory this is a country that has a special responsibility towards the western sahara and the final settlement of this conflict. the fact that this country is now moved from a neutral stance to this position of recognizing the solution, as the best solution for the conflict is extremely meaningful considering the -- for it presence in the country.
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this is a signal that spain, along with the european countries such as germany and the netherlands, etc. are sending. that they have stopped believing a solution to this conflict that is not the iraq and -- is not the moroccan preferred option. this is happening with coronation of the european governments, waiting for the u.n. envoy to come up with his own plan. this is obviously couple medic because it means it is unclear -- obviously problematic because it means it is unclear what the position here is. if it is a unified position, there could be several european positions. there were not planned in advanced or cornet do with the u.n.. where the -- or coordinated with the u.n. where the conflict is supposed to be settled. >> international support is moving firmly in the direction of the moroccan position.
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a growing number of nations voicing their support for the autonomy proposal. >> the fact remains that western sahara is a caller nation -- is a colonization issue. >> what you think of the fact that the international view is moving away from your point of view? sidi: this is not true. we are speaking about a position of a few countries. that is what it is. i am talking about the nationstate quarter, with the issued stated on the agenda for the full committee has a decolonization issue, treated by the security council where france, as you have mentioned, the position is you are all calling for a solution that provides the assault and intimidation for the people of western sahara. because they simply cannot imagine the united nations abdicating and giving his blessing to enact illegal
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occupation. this is what is taking place under the night nation. -- the united nations. as a positions other countries, we do not know what made to spain changes position, is blackmail pressure from expansionist seems -- regimes. the fact remains western sahara is a decolonization issue and lb not -- and i will not be changed by other countries. in a rules-based international order that goes against the illegal opposite -- occupation territories by force. this is what is the case. this is what the sarin people have been fighting for. there will continue to fight for the rights. the illegal proposal that has no
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basis whatsoever. nick: do you think this could escalate into conflicts? sidi: absolutely. the position taken by spain and other governments will only add to the instability of the entire region. they are encouraging an expansionist regime to go on with its attempt to force on the ground. we live in a rules-based world that goes against occupation. that is why the occupation by -- the illegal occupation of morocco has never been recognized by the night nation -- united nations. unfortunately these countries are just giving more munitions to morocco, to not be taken seriously in the peace process, that the envoy is trying to
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revive after morocco breached the cease-fire in 2020. nick: morocco's claim to the western sahara is not reckon eyes by the united nations -- is not recognized by the nine nations. yasmine: we've seen >> countries like the united states, spain, the former kyla -- colonizer recognize -- which claims that morocco throughout the western sahara and its sovereignty. that is a problem that is solved, will be solved, is solved within the security council. no other body, not even the african union is responsible for this issue. we have seen 34 resolutions calling for the political solution. is the referendum for 18 years
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it is that. nick: why is the referendum that dead? >> because it is not credible. the legitimacy of the moroccan history over the western sahara, the countries decided to endorse morocco. they are not waiting for rocco to dictate them, -- morocco to dictate them like he said. the spanish prime minister clearly stated the current position of spain as a former colonizer to morocco as a colonizer has been banned, this should've been solved 47 years ago. you will see other countries in the european union follow suit.
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spain in this claim, the problem now is in algeria that is actually impeding the peace process. they need to recognize the historical application to this artificial conflict. algeria needs to step to the plate and participate. nick: you've already established that, you've already said that. 32nd more -- 30 seconds more. >> this is not the cold war, the algerian regime needs more to solve the economic crisis rather than going to war with morocco that will not go anywhere. nick: ricardo, a regency difficulties, morocco sees these areas as a southern province of a rocco, the u.n. says does not belong to anybody. what about the people that live there? is it clear what they want?
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riccardo: i do not think we can say with certainty given that the referendum or any sort of popular survey has ever been conducted. we cannot say with certainty what the population wants. we are talking about a very complicated picture here. there are some based in the refugee camps, there are some in the morocco controlled western sahara. there are also a growing population of, let's say moroccans that have moved to western sahara. identifying with certain clarity who wants what has become a pretty complicated matter. which is why, of course, we keep going back to the issue of the un framework and there needs to be some kind of compromise for a solution or a support for the un framework.
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given the unilateral moves by international actors will not help settle this issue. nick: if i can come to you, sidi , help -- how does it fect the lives of the people in the region? give us a picture. sidi: people are living under, the sahara republic is appalling. that is happing without the scrutiny othe international community. morocco prohibits anybody to go, not evenpecializedodies are repuic. to go to the moroccan allhat you can imagine, unspeakable cruelty being practiced against them. for the simple reason, demanding
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their inalienable right to self-determination and be respected as any part of the world. speaking about a regime, built on expansionism, it has been oppressing its own people who are rising, but nobody knows about that. we are speaking about a regime that -- dictatorial regimes of the middle ages, it is difficult to understand that is still the world and the 21st century, a world people do not know the real nature of the regime ruling in morocco. one of the least qualified regimes in the world to speak about human rights. that is part of this tragedy. people are fighting for principal and rights. at the same time -- nick: talking about a peaceful
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people fighting for the rights. yasmine: it is their own rights with whatever they believe in, it is their own rights to remind the viewer of the western sahara region, there are 80% of the population that live there and participate fully and freely in the public policies of this region at the national and local elections. at the camps, one has to know is the only camp in the world that is not -- censused. there will not allow the u.n. to census. they live in dire conditions and are for the recruitment of terrorist come. this conflict, because of this artificial conflict this area is vulnerable. this areas prone to terrorist
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recruitment specifically in that region. there is a growing threat to the security of this are region -- the saha region. nick: coming towards the end of the program i want to give one final question to ricardo. let's come back full circle to spain's position, is not cut and dry. there is a lot of opposition to it. riccardo: absolutely, this is a country, as i mentioned before has long-standing ties with both morocco and the population and their national territory. is only natural that this position taken by this government has been and is still contested by significant sections of the population.
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the junior partner of the ruling population has already denounced the shift that it does not represent the opinion of the majority of the spanish population. the fact that majority of spaniards do not seem to back this decision of the government. there has been criticism from the right, particularly guarding what spain has or has not obtained in return for this move. i would say even within spain the debate is still very lively and there are significant questions regarding the logic of this move and the benefits of the shift. nick: trying to tackle 50 years of history in 20 minutes or so is a real challenge, do think you all for joining us. thanks a lot. thank you for watching. you see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera.com. for further deception --
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