06/28/22 06/28/22 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> the plight of migrants is always a miniature crisis but tonight we are dealing with a horrific human tragedy. amy: at least 46 people have been found dead inside a sweltering tractor-trailer abandoned in san antonio, texas.

16 survors, including four children, have been hospitalized. we will speak to fernando rcia , founder of the border network for human rights. we will also look at the ongoing fallout from the supreme court's overturning of roe. then is raising money to send pregnant people to another state to get an abortion considered aiding and abetting? we will speak to the head of an abortion fund in texas and look at the fight over privacy rights online in a post--roe america. >> we found facebook is collecting highly sensitive data about visitors of hundreds of pregnancy crisis centers, target and people online. amy: and we look at conservative justice clarence thomas' call for the court to overturn key rulings establishing the right

to contraception and taking down same-sex marriage. we will speak to jim obergefell, the lead plaintiff in the supreme court case that legalized same-sex marriage throughout the united states. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. in texas, at least 46 migrants were found dead inside a sweltering tractor-trailer that was left abandoned in a remote road in san antonio monday. 16 survivors were hospitalized, including four children, to be treated for heat stroke and exhaustion as the region faces a scorching heat wave. local authorities said a city worker heard a cry for help from inside the truck monday afternoon and found a body on

the ground outside the trailer's partially opened gate. this is san antonio's fire chief charles hood. >> they were hot to the touch. they were suffering from heat stroke, heat exhaustion. no signs of water in the vehicle. it was a refrigerated tractor-trailer, but there was no visible working ac unit on that rig. a make of this is among the deadliest tragedies in recent decades of people attempting to cross into the united states and comes as the biden administration continues to enforce harsh border policies blocking most people from safely entering through ports of entry at the u.s.-mexico border. thousands are forced to take on extremely dangerous routes and rely on smugglers. we'll have more on this story later in the broadcast. judges in louisiana and utah have temporarily blocked statewide abortion bans from taking effect following friday's supreme court's striking down

roe v. wade. on monday, a judge in new orleans sided with reproductive rights groups who argued louisiana's trigger law ban on abortions was unconstitutionally vague. meanwhile, a judge in salt lake city on monday granted a two-week stay of utah's trigger law abortion ban after planned parenthood sued to block it. in texas, a harris county judge hears arguments today in a lawsuit brought by abortion providers who want to block a pre-roe v. wade abortion ban from taking effect. the law, which has not been enforced for nearly a half-century, criminalizes anyone performing an abortion or assisting in one. in south dakota, republican governor kristi noem is calling on lawmakers to pass a bill banning state residents from holding telemedicine appointments with healthcare providers who prescribe abortion pills and deliver them through the mail.

medication abortions represent half of all u.s. abortion and demand for the pills has soared since friday supreme court ruling. in california, state lawmakers on monday agreed to put a constitutional amendment up for a vote on the november ballot that would enshrine the legal right to an abortion. los angeles resident raquel rojas joined hundreds of protesters who took to the streets monday. >> we are protesting for everybody's right to have body autonomy, for the undocumented women, for the black women, for the indigenous women, for the women in domestic ownership and women -- partnership and women that are going to get pregnant against their will. we are failing our girls if we are not out in the street. amy: on capitol hill, house speaker nancy pelosi said monday she's preparing votes on several bills guaranteeing access to abortions and protecting the

data of people who use reproductive health apps. pelosi also called on her democratic colleagues to eliminate the filibuster in order to overcome republican opposition to reproductive rights bills in the senate. we'll have much more on the battle over abortion rights later in the broadcast. the house committee investigating the january 6 capitol insurrection has announced a surprise hearing today. cassidy hutchinson, a former aide to then-white house chief of staff mark meadows, is expected to testify publicly. she was previously interviewed by the committee behind closed doors where she named several republican lawmakers who inquired about pardons over their efforts to overturn the 2020 election. according to cnn, it was hutchinson who revealed that trump supported the mob's chants of "hang mike pence" on january six bank and that trump had -- january 6 and that trump had

complained about pence being hustled to safety while his supporters breached the capitol. elsewhere, former trump lawyer john eastman realed moay th federalgents seed h ll phoneast we as partf a broaning invtigationnto the inrrection mewhile, ali alender, th foundeof the scalled "stop the steal" pro-trump group said monday he testified before a federal grand jury in washington, d.c., last friday. alexander is suing the january 6 committee to prevent it from obtaining his phone records. democracy now! is live-streaming today's committee hearing at 1:00 p.m. eastern time at democracynow.org. in central ukraine, a russian missile struck a crowded shopping mall in the central city of kremenchuk monday, killing at least 18 people and injuring dozens. at least 36 others remain missing. one survivor said she was shopping with her husband when

the blast threw her into the air. >> i flew headfirst and splinters hit my body. i landed on the floor and i don't know if i was conscious or unconscious. i did not understand anything. i open my eyes and i saw big people -- big piece of rubble was on top of me. i started screaming "help me." water was coming from somewhere and it woke to me out. amy: elsewhere, russian shells continued to rain down on the city of kharkiv, where officials say five people were killed, 30 others injured, and an elementary school was destroyed. in germany, leaders of the g7 condemned russia's latest attacks as "sickening," "cruel," and "horrendous" and pledged to support ukraine's resistance to russia's invasion "for as long as it takes." g7 leaders concluded their summit in munich with a pledge to spend $5 billion this year to help ensure worldwide food security after russia's invasion of ukraine exacerbated a global

food crisis. today president biden is traveling to a summit of nato leaders in madrid, spain, where nbc reports he will announce an extended buildup of u.s. troops in poland and the baltic countries. ahead of the summit, nato secretary-general jens stoltenberg said the military alliance would massively increase the number of its forces on high alert from 40,000 to more than seven times that amount. >> we will transform the nato response force and increase the number of our forces to well over 300,000. amy: in jordan, at least 13 people were killed and more than 250 others injured monday after a cloud of toxic gas burst from a storage tank at the port of aqaba. the disaster struck after a cable snapped as it lifted a tank filled with 25 tons of toxic chlorine onto a ship. france is calling on western

powers to continue negotiations that would allow venezuela and iran to return to the oil market as an attempt to combat the energy crisis and rising prices due to the war in ukraine. venezuelan president nicolás maduro responded in a televised address from caracas monday. >> i would tell president macron , venezuela is ready to receive other fringe companies that want to come to produce bass and perch over the global market. you are welcome to come whenever. we are prepared, ready come and happy to do it. amy: this comes as the senior u.s. government officials recently secretly traveled to caracas in the latest attempt to reestablish ties with the venezuelan government and release u.s. citizens detained in venezuela. in ecuador, indigenous leaders have agreed to meet with government officials to negotiate demands for lower fuel and food prices as massive protests enter a third week.

on sunday, right-wing president guillermo lasso promised lower fuel prices to try to quench the anti-government uprising. >> i have decided to reduce the price of gasoline by $.10 per gallon and also diesel by $.10 per gallon. ecuadorians who seek dialogue will find a government with an outstretched hand. those who seek chaos, violence, terrorism will find the full force of the law. amy: in missouri, at least three people were killed and dens more injured monday after an amtrak train carrying more than 250 people collided with a dump truck northeast of kansas city. investigators say the crash occurred at a railroad crossing that did not havwarning lights or protective gates. here in new york, state supreme court judge in staten island has struck down a law that would have allowed some 800,000 noncitizens to vote in local elections in new york city. the measure was set to go into

effect in justice ralph porzio january. argued the law violated state constitutional guidelines. california is set to become the first state to grant all undocumented immigrants access to state subsidized health insurance. gavin newsom announced a budget deal had been struck with california's legislature, including an expansion to the states medicare that would extend coverage to hundreds of thousands of low income, and document it adults between the ages of 26 and 49. california already provided state medicare to undocumented children and adults under the age of 26 and 50 years and older. in portugal, the united nations has kicked off a five day conference and restrain the health of the world's oceans. secretary-general terrace warned global heating is pushing ocean temperatures to record levels producing more storms and pushing sea levels higher. a climate activist with extinction rebellion join protests at of the talks. >> the

oceans, we are catching less fish. this these are dying. we have an urgency that we are not seeing from our leaders. amy: back in the united states, primaries are being held in five states, including oklahoma, new york, and colorado. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman in new york, joined by democracy now! co-host juan gonzález in new brunswick, new jersey. hi, juan. juan: hi, amy. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: we begin with the horrific story of 46 men, women, and children seeking safety and better life in the united states found dead monday night in san antonio, texas. a warning to our listeners and

viewers, this story contains graphic detail. san antonio authorities said they found 46 migrants dead inside a sweltering tractor-trailer that was left abandoned in a remote road on monday. 16 survivors were hospitalized, including four children, to be treated for heat stroke and exhaustion as temperatures in the region surpassed 100 degrees fahrenheit. local authorities said a city worker heard a cry for help from inside the truck yesterday afternoon and found a body on the ground outside the trailer and a partially opened gate to the trailer. this is san antonio's fire chief charles hood. >> the patients we saw were hot to the touch. they were suffering from heat stroke, heat exhaustion, no signs of water in the vehicle. it was a refrigerated tractor-trailer but there was no visible working ac unit on at rig. amy: authorities said many of the dead had been sprinkled with

steak seasoning and in a possible attack by smugglers to ward off law enforcement officials. fire chief hood said the people who helped to rescue the survivors and remove the dead are now being counseled. >> we are currently putting those 60 members through radical incident debriefing. we're not supposed to open up a truck and see stacks of bodies. none of us come to work imagining that, so we are working to the behavioral health right now. amy: the staggering death toll among the deadliest tragedies in recent decades of migrants attempting to enter the united states and comes as the biden administration continues to enforce harsh border policies blocking most people from safely entering through ports of entry at the u.s.-mexico border. thousands are forced to take on deadly routes and rely on smugglers. this is the san antonio mayor. >> the plight of migrants

seeking refuse is always a humanitarian crisis but tonight we are dealing with a horrific human tragedy. i would urge you all to think compassionately and pray for the deceased, the ailing, the family's. amy: three people have been arrested so far. it is not clear if this is connected. this comes as human rights advocates are calling for the surviving migrants who ate federal investigators to be safe from deportation. we go w to texas and joined by fernando garcia, founder and executive director of the border network for human rights. welcome back to democracy now! first, if you can just respond to this horror of what took place in san anton yesterday >> thank you for having me. there are no words to describe

what is happening right now at the border, especially in texas and what happened in san antonio. it is any urecedented situation. in our calculations, maybe this year we will write the records of migrants dying across the border -- [indiscernible] maybe we will reach more than 1000 migrants a year. that means three migrants per day. this is not onl sad, but this is ridiculous. we need to understand whatever connections we need to do, one of them it is precisely the voice of -- used by thenited states and texas, preventing markets to come -- migrants to come. concentrated effort to expel

immigrts, reject them. many of the migrants are using ways that they did not use before. they're going to more isolated places. there gettg with criminal orgazations just to come across because they are being rejected when they apply for asylum. this is an unprecedented situation. juan: fernando, texas governor greg abbott tweeted about this that these steps are on -- she blamed president biden and his "open borders policy" for resulting in death like this at the same time the governor has sent national guard and texas rangers in increased numbers to the border to prevent crossing. your response? >> it is federal policy in place for decades.

recent policies implemented by trump era at the border like how to two and others are directly -- title 42 and others are directly responsible for diversion of migrants going into these other ways of crossing the border without documenting -- legally. let me tell you this, texas governor greg abbott, he is playing a shameful political game. he is spending $8 billion a year to deploy state troopers at the border in texas to actually -- he called national guard, a line of defense of the invasion he called it, and also building his own border wall. i mean, the primary responsible of these migrants going into the deserts in the mountains in texas was they are dying in

greater -- this is on his hand. this is part of the policy of criminal -- at the state level and federal level. juan: yet here we are decades after the big immigration protests of 2006 trying to press for immigration reform, and congress is no closer to trying to come up with a more comprehensive and humane immiation pocy. what is your sense of where we go from here? >> listen, we have high hopes during the beginning of this administration that we will have a chance to pass immigration reform, to fix the system, to bring millions of people out of the shadows, to create ways for people to come legally to the country to end this human rights crisis happening at the border. but unfortunately, that did not

happen. the biden administration also is responsible of unfulfilled promises. he is keeping title 42 and one of the main anti-immigrant -- at the border, with no reason. he is also playing politics. the promise of creating a more humane border. it did not happen. this year it did not happen and it will not happen for at least the rest of the year because we're going to have elections d immigration has always been a contentious political issue. at the end of the day, playing games with immigrants while migrants are dying, refugee camps at the border, immigrants with no citizenship and rights. i think it is shameful both

parties continue pushing -- calling them rapists, innovation, etc. amy: the supreme court is expected at any moment to hand down a discussion on mpp, on the remaining mexico policy. you have people who are in mexico waiting for up to two years now. the u.s. government deporting some, what, 2 million people since march 2020 using title 42. we also hear guatemalan authorities saying there are some guatemalans among the dead. your final comments, fernando garcia? >> listen, i would not doubt in those migrants who died in san antonio, navy was someone there

that was under title 42 but were waiting on the if you program. both programs are meant to deter immigrants from coming to the country. they are meant to send them back to their country, to dissuade them from looking for a better life in the united states. mpp, it is reimplemented after the decision of the court, what we're going to see is more people waiting in mexico for their asylum case or refugee status to be resolved to come to the country imports of entry coming in those trucks also in the middle of that desert commit dying and canals. this is going to create more migrants dying. this is the wrong policy. something should have been done

earlier. it is shameful that we are letting that many people die at the borders. amy: fernando garcia, thank you for being with us from the el paso, texas-based order network for human rights. coming up, we will stay in texas. is raising money to said pregnant people to another state to get an abortion considered aiding and abetting? we will speak with the head of an abortion fund in texas. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: the late mexican legend. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we turn to look at the ongoing fallout fromhe supreme court's decision to overturn roe v wade and eliminate constitutional protections for abortion. legal battles are being waged across the united states as reproductive rights advocates attempt to halt or delay statewide abortion bans. on monday, judges temporarily blocked louisiana and utah from implementing bans. meanwhile, abortion rights advocates have also filed

lawsuits across the country, including in arizona, kentucky, idaho, mississippi, and texas. within hours of friday's ruling, texas attorney general ken paxton threatened to criminally prosecute anyone violating a statewide abortion ban that was passed in the 1920's and never repealed. while the american civil liberties union is suing paxton, health clinics in texas have stopped providing abortion. abortion funds in texas have also temporarily halted services. we are joined now by kamyon conner, executive director of the texas equal access fund. the black woman to head the first fund. we welcome you to democracy now! can you explain what an abortion fund did before the supreme court overturned roe v. wade and what you're doing now? >> thank you for having me on.

i want to share in texas we do a couple of different things most of our abortion fund helps people pay for their abortions in texas, which cost anywhere from $500 or more. th is because there's no insurance coverage abortion in our state. other abortion funds also to practical or logistical support, basically,elping someone travel to wherever theneed to go within the state previously worked outside of the state as well. that includes bus passes, plane tickets, mea vouchers, ubers from the airport to where you're staying, and hotel stays. juan: i wanted to ask you, in terms of the advans in medical treatments such as telemedicine, what legally do you first see happening now if someone in

texas does telemedicine consultation with a doctor outside of the state in terms of dealing with information and consultation on abortion? what wld be the legal situation there? >> i will share with you that our state has already to the legislature made it a criminal act for folks to provide telemedicine for abortion care, so we have tried year after year or every two years to fight them on this because it would really suort people who need aess to abortion, especially medication artion. but it is not something folks in our state are allowed to do or physicians are allowed to do when it comes to abortion. juan: that is physicians in texas. but what if it is a position in oklahoma or arkansas? our let's say a state that does

not ban abortion? >> was going to say, i think determining that is still a huge question. we have seen our attorney general is targeting abortion funds anfolks that help folks seek care and other states, so i am not sure if physicians and clinics in other states would possibly be prosecuted for that type of act, but i know that is something that folks are seeking clarity on from the judicial system at the time. amy: it is amazing to think in the past people from mexico came to the united states if they had the means to get an abortion and now the idea that people would be going from the united ace to mexico or to new mexico or to colora. but are you concerned with your find about providing money for people to go other

places? are you concerned about the state prosecuting you? >> i am extremely concerned. know for a fact myself that our abortion fund specifically is on the radar. antiabortion extremists and our conservative elected officials have received cease-and-desist letters about our work, police thing that will target us for felony penalties for continuing our work. our attorney general basically let folks know the day roe fell that right now you can start prosecuting, go right ahead. so we have chosen to pause and seek clarity from the judicial system about what our parameters to be. i'm sure you all know because of senate bill 8, we have been merely helping texans -- primarily helping texans get

abortions outside the state of texas in september 1 when previously only maybe 30% of our callers had to leave the state, likely because there's a 20 week ban in texas but now 90% of the folks that we have been helping have been leaving the state to access care. that is something that should be prototected and people should be able to freely travel to do. but i also want to share that being forced to travel for your health care, specifically abortion, is no way for people to access care. it is harmful, dangerous, and it increases the stigma of abortion. juan: we have also heard a lot now about the increasing demand for prescription medication for abortions. how will the texas ban affect the distribution of prescription medication? >> so in december 1, 2021, senate bill 4 went into effect.

it arbitrarily bans medication abortion after sen weeks. previously, folks in texas could access abortion care up to 11 weeks with the medication abortion. it also bans mailing of medication abortion drugand creates medically unnecessary reporting requirents for abortion providers, including at they would have to follow someone's subseent pregncy and publication for pregnancies after the abortion that they have with the medication abortion bill. violation of this state law is a felony for any person o violates any part of the l, so our legislator made it really apparent that they knew banning abortion at six weeks in texas would cause a lot of texans presumably black and brown, indigenous folks, to have to seek medication abortion or self

managed abortion. so they passed senate bill 4 to make it harder for folks to do that and especially make it a felony offense for them to receive the kinds of medications through the mail. amy: it might surprise people to know that half the abortions in the united states are medication abortions. we will talk more about these abortions by this pill regimen later in the week. that both the head of hhs becerra as well as the attorney general garland have reaffirmed they have been approved by the fda and they are legal. kamyon conner, thank you for being with us executive director , of the texas equal access fund. the first african-american woman to head the t fund. we will look now at growing calls to protect online privacy. i am amy goodman with juan

gonzalez. as fears grow that 30's could use online data to prosecute people who violate statewide abortion bans, the electronic frontier foundation has warned "those seeking offering, or , facilitating abortion access must now assume that any data they provide online or offline could be sought by law enforcement." this comes as reveal from the center for investigative reporting has also exposed how facebook is collecting ultra-sensitive personal data about abortion seekers and enabling anti-abortion organizations to use that data as a tool to target and influence people online. we're going to go first to grace oldham. grace oldham is a howard fellow for reveal. her recent investigation is

headlined "facebook and anti-abortion clinics are collecting highly sensitive info on would-be patients." welcome to democracy now! lay this out for us. talk about everything from menstrual period trackers to what people say and look for online and how it can be used against them. >> thank you so much for having me. as laws are changing across the country, there are increased warnings about the risks of how people's data online can be used against them if abortion is criminalized in their state. so in our investigation, we were specifically looking at crisis pregnancy centers. we have been investigating the centers at reveal from months now. there because i health clinics run by antiabortion organizations with the main goal to deter or delay people from

getting an abortion. because they are not licensed medical facilities, the data they collect on people to interact with either online or in person is not protected in the same way other health data might be. we were curious what is happening to that data and how might it be used, again, as laws are changing across the country. we started looking at what type of ad tracking technology these organizations use on their websites and found hundreds of crisis pregnancy websites across the country use an ad tracking technology that shares information with facebook, as you said, it is ultrasensitive data and in many cases it includes information as specific as whether the person is considering an abortion, you're pregnancy status, if there were scheduling and abortion

consultation, and even in some cases names, emails, and foam on numbers -- on numbers. this poses a particular risk if an abortion is criminalized or outlawed in-state, gives key information about whether person is considering an abortion and amassing that on a platform like facebook creates particular avenues for law enforcement to potentially use that information . yes, this is one among many potential risks created by data that is amassed online. juan: grace, if there collecting basically a person's individual medical information, even if they are not licensed, are today covered by hipaa laws in terms of being able to divulge to

others personal data on individuals? >> yes, so, actually, these crisis pregnancy centers are not covered by hipaa because they are not licensed medical facilities and they do not charge for their services. because they are not covered by hipaa, that data is not protected the same way it might be if it was through a hospital or something like that. so that was one of our main questions concerning this reporting is, ok, if there llecting really sensitive data about people, you know, online in the forms, asking questions like when was the date of that person's last menstrual period or in person, ultrasound photos, result of pregnancy tests. so we started researching what happens to that data once it is collected by these centers. amy: these -- go ahead.

juan: wouldn't it be possible to at least require them to disclose to the people that are giving the information that they are not licensed and that the information they're giving is -- can be shared with others? isn't there disclosure requirement at least or shouldn't there be one? >> y. in some cases, the crisis pregnancy centers do mark on their website they are not licensed but often that is tucked away deep into a privacy policy where a person not doing an extensive dive into the website would find it. there was also a supreme court case several years ago that would -- that overturned a requirement in california for crisis pregnancy centers to state whether they are medical facilities. you know, they are positioned now or than ever to, you know,

not have that be as clear as, you know, some consumer protection -- amy: grace, it is reported around the country they will often locate themselves next to a planned parenthood clinic and look like that clinic so people get confused and are not exactly clear where they're walking in. i wanted to ask you about meta, the new name for facebook. what measures are they taking for protecting privacy? did they speak to you? >> meta has policies against collecting sensitive data, specifically including sexual and reproductive health data. in the past several years, there has been reporting and state investigation which found their advertisin systems, quite porous around the vast information that is collected by

meta every day on websites across the country. so we found that in the case of these crisis pregnancy centers, hundreds of them are sharing this information with facebook and facebook is ingesting that data in response to a new york state department financial rvices investigaon, facebook created filtering mechanisms with several thousand key terms, something like 70,000 key terms that are supposed to block anything that would be considered sensitive data, also, url's with found with pregnancy or abortion in them, data was to collecting from those sites. so we sent a list of questions to facebook, specifically, questions run the policy around data collected from crisis to

centers and whether or not that data would be shared with law enforcement. we did not get a response to those questions and we have nothing change since the publish of our story in terms of the data of the sites we identified had been purged. amy: grace oldham, i want to bring daly barnett into this conversation, staff technologist at the electronic frontier foundation, which recently published a set of digital privacy guidelines for abortion providers and abortion seekers on how to protect their information. we will go to break and then come back to this conversation. we are speaking with daly barnett and grace oldham. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. as we continue our conversation around facebook, antiabortion clinics, electing highly sensitive information on would-be patients. that investigation is done by grace oldham, reproductive rights reporter with reveal. we're also joined by daly barnett, a staff technologist at the electronic frontier foundation who just published a

set of digital privacy guides for abortion providers and abortion-seekers on how to protect their information. thank you for joining us. why don't you walk us through some of these key measures that you think are key for people to protect information and where you think we are all more vulnerable. >> sure. first of all, thank you for having me. i would say the first steps abortion seekers, providers abortion activists ought to do is an exercise we call threat modeling. essentially, it just means identifying for themselves information or data could potentially be used against them and who might want to explain that data -- exploit that data. it helpedo identify the area of concern they may have and

from there the types of measures that can be taken to protect themselves. from there i think it is important to employ combination of non-technical and technical tactics starting with the non-technical, usually easier, i think people can set data sharing standards with their communities. this essentially means making rules about what types of information can and cannot be shared with the group or outside the group, etc. basically, pushing a culture of consent when it comes to sharing any kinds of identifying information about reproductive health or activism or affiliation with other groups. people can also employ what we call linguistic sonography, fancy phrasing for essentially hiding true meeting -- meaning in plain sight or inconspicuous language. if it is done consciously and carefully, it can be effective

at protecting oneself and o's community. but from there, the more technical measures people can take our, first, download an end to end encryption, generally, people compartmentalize data around the more sensitive operations like reproductive health or activism, away from the more casual ones. this can be done by using a separate browser with hardened privacy we call it. like a browser like brave that are built with privacy and security in mind, and using that, especially for anything related to the reproductive health or activism. i also highly recommend turning off location services for apps that do not need it or restricting them when you're going to are from locations where that is a concern. turning off the ad identifier so apps cannot track their

behavior. there are a bunch of other things people can do but i would recommend going to look online for the guides we have written. juan: daly, what are some of the responsibilities of the technology companies in regard to this? clearly, not just facebook, but for instance, it was google, the search is that people conduct on a daily basis and that google stores. have there been any laws about particularly health-related or personal -- health-related matter, searches, that can somehow be protected in a stronger way from tracking the normal searches? >> sure. well, i am not a policy expert but i am a technologist. i am happy to comment on what

these technologies can do to protect the end-users. the reality is, these platforms are the most popular come the largest platforms that exist, like the big ones. come to terms with the fact they're holding onto the largest and most potentially dangerous sensitive data that can be used against people here. so these platforms need to make their policies transparent to end-users. now, especially their policies or in regards to how they respond to law enforcement and how they are responding to subpoena requests. they could also stop behavioral tracking on the platforms because that tracking and thence to data that could be exploited and used against users. just generally, they need to honor the privacy of every end-user by default and should not be something users have to advocate for themselves. they can allow -- like just generally speaking, if the data isn't been collected on end-users, it can't

be exploited. amy: if you can talk more in lay terms about behavioral tracking? >> of course. behavioral tracking, these are mechanisms that platforms will put in place to uniquely identify users on their services and then track the behavior of like what they're doing on these platforms. so this can look how long they have been on the site, what they're doing there, the types of services, queries they are making on the platform. that data can be collected. because it is tied to a unique fingerprint to user, it can then be associated with other behavioral tracking on different platforms. for instance, google is the most prevalent tracker in the game where they have trackers implanted on 75% of the top one billion websites today. amy: in terms of what people can

do, and we also want to put this question to grace oldham, tell us about the my body my data act. >> sure. the my body my data act is a bill that has been proposed to protect people stayed around the reproductive health. it protects the end-users. it restricts the type of data that can be collected by the services that have anything to do with this field, but also allows users to meaningfully appeal to have their data deleted at their request. amy: grace oldham, if you can talk about your work in how people are organizing around the country and how people can protect themselves? >> absolutely. in the terms of our investigation, facebook, google has prevalent at trackers,

facebook is also a big player in the game. so we found facebook received nearly 50,000 government request for data from july to december 2021. creating public pressures and legislation for facebook to answer how data from crisis pregnancy centers would be used, for example, is one way many of the privacy experts we talk to said this would be a public pressure policy issue because facebook's revenue comes from advertising. there is little incentive to fix this on their own. although strengthening the current filters that they have in place as well as evaluating potential risk of this data being collected would be important as well. juan: i am wondering, daly, what

legislation should we be focusing on and should the public be focusing on in terms of digital privacy laws? >> i think any privacy legislation that is a broad privacy protection for all end-users, it should not necessarily always be focused on specific areas of concern that are timely. privacy should just be a default for people. it. should be something the end-users have to fight for because especially when the data is potentially dangerous, can be used as criminal evidence. the reality is if companies aren't to collecting this personal identifying data that can be exploited, the problem is solved in all of these cases. privacy should not be an opt in model. it should be on by default. amy: i want to ask grace oldham

about some of the research you had done. you are recently in dallas, texas, talking to a unitarian church that was involved with helping people access abortion. can you talk about what they're doing and what has happened now that roe has been overturned and the history of their work? >> absolutely. i went to dallas, which is where i am from come and went to the first unitarian church of dallas, which is the church my family grew up in as well, and had the opportunity to see some of the action happening at that church around helping people access abortion in new mexico. there is a long history there. in the 1960's, the unitarian church stated their public support for access to abortion before roe v. wade, and the ministers at that church were working with the clergy

consultation service, which was a network of mostly protestant ministers and jewish rabbis across the country who helped people find safe abortion. so they were working with the doctor named dr. curtis boyd who we talked about in the previous story we published this weekend, who was performing safe abtionsefore they were legal in texas. eventually, dr. boyd moved from texas to mexico and the ministers at the church at the time helped ordinate flights from dallas to new mexico for people to access abortion pre-roe. acids is the 8, -- now since sb 8, a network of volunteers within new mexico religious coalition for reproductive choice as well as dr. boyd who still owns clinics in dallas and

new mexico and albuquerque are making trips every few weeks to albuquerque to bring a group of around 20 patients to access safe and legal abortions in albuquerque. and so the church will continue to support people who are needing access to abortion despite how the laws change and are currently working to figure out, like, what the parameters around that will be. but, yep, there are flights every two weeks bringing 20 patients, organized by a network of volunteers. the funding and the logistics are taking care of by the new mexico logistic coalition for reproductive choice. juan: i wanted to ask about something we talked about earlier come these crisis pregnancy centers and you said

there are hundreds of them around the country. who funds them? even if all the tears largely working them, obviously rent has to be paid, the network has to be sustained. did your research dealt at all into how these centers came to be established? >> absolutely. a lot of the funding is from private funders. there are large antiabortion organization networks and crisis pregnancy centers such as heartbeat international, for example. in some cases, the funding comes from taxpayer dollars, public funding from stes who fund alternative to abortion programs and then in some cases funding comes from -- diverted from federal funding as well. the majority is from private

donors but there is some public taxpayer dollars going toward crisis pregnancy centers as well. amy: known as cpc's. we will be doing more on the bus to grace oldham, thank you for being with us, fellow at reveal. we will link to your latest piece headlined "facebook and anti-abortion clinics are collecting highly sensitive info on would-be patients." and thank you to daly barnett, staff technologist at the electronic frontier foundation, which just published a set of digital privacy guides for abortion providers and abortion-seekers on how to protect their information. we will link to those as well. just a reminder, it is primary data new york, colorado, maryland, obama, and utah. in your, kathy hochul faces two. she became governor after andrew cuomo resigned last year. we will report on that tomorrow.

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