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>> time for a quick check of the headlines. the u.s. justice department has released a redacted version of the document that helped secure the mission to search donald's home. >> earlier this year, donald trump was cooperating with federal authorities to return documents that had been taken from the white house. when they got 15 boxes, they went through the documents and
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found their worst highly sensitive documents. uses -- using intelligence sources, they decided they needed to go back in and do a thorough search of mar-a-lago. >> and airstrike has picked the north of ethiopia. there are reports a struck a children's playground. four people were killed. local media say the national government is to blame. pakistan is declared a national emergency after months of monsoon rains. the government has described it as a humanitarian disaster. the news continues after inside story. stay tuned.
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>> why is the plight of the program got been ignored? the rep and refugees in bangladesh with no hope of returning home. what future do they have? this is inside story. >> on thursday, more than one million rohingya refugees marked
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a five year since they were run out. their chances of going home anytime soon are uncertain. last year, the same army that expelled the rohingya overthrew myanmar's elected government. almost one million mainly muslim rohingya are sheltering in bangladesh. more than half our children. aid agencies say they are at the risk of becoming a lost generation because of the loss of education. 48% are women and girls, many of whom who witnessed some form or survived gender-based violence. authorities say crime has increased, including violence,
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drug dealing and human trafficking. reporter: for refugees, life here is challenge and. shelters surrounded by barbed wired fences. refugees say they are frequently harassed by police and camp authorities. drug crimes are increasing inside the camp. she fled to bangladesh in 2017. she has three children. she is worried about their future. >> we want to go back home soon so our children can get some education. reporter: bangladesh's essay has done more than enough and it is time for the u.n. to deal with the plight of the refugees. >> we have been here for five
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years already. if we have to stay here longer, the united nations and other organizations should find a new strategy. reporter: nearly 4000 rohingya refugees live along the border. conditions are harsh. behind me is the only refugee camp in the no man's land area. conflict is gradually expelling over closer to the border. >> we are unable to go to our own country still. another fear we have now come up we can hear artillery rounds almost every day. our children and families are in panic. reporter: five years on, but you end refugee agency says they are
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facing a protected crisis and need help urgently. >> the main challenge is providing the support for them to survive on the day to day basis. the humanitarian needs need to be covered, but also moving towards what will happen next. reporter: many refugees feel frustrated that they have little say in decisions about what happens to them. and that their fate and destiny appeared to be at the mercy of others. >> let's bring in our guests. in london, we have the executive director of the burma human rights network. in roy cooper -- vancouver, human rights activists. tim andrews, expert on human
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rights in myanmar. thank you very much for being on the program today. five years on, does it feel like anything has changed or have things simply gotten worse? >> unfortunately, things have gotten worse. i think the segment was very captivating and very much true to what the sentiment is like on the ground. people are extremely worried that their situation is not ever going to get better. neither when it get better in the camps where restrictions are increasing in order to push people to go back home in unsafe conditions. our communities are stuck in limbo and without any choices of our own. our agency completely ignored
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and our skills completely neglected. >> do you think there was a feeling of helplessness among the population? >> as you see, the rohingya population in the camp they have lots of pressure, pressure from the local communities. there are lots of problems and difficulties. there have been so many failures by the international communinit. >> we have heard and seen quite a lot about the conditions in the refugee camps. obviously, there are still hundreds of thousands of
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rohingya still in myanmar. what is it like for them there? >> things are getting worse inside myanmar. over 600,000 living there right now. things are bad and getting worse. there was no respect whatsoever for human rights. restrictions in movement are greater than ever before. more than 130,000 are living in concentration camps. five years ago, when i was doing a fact-finding mission, one man said if the world will not help us, then bomb the camps. it would be better for me and my
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family to die than it would be to continue to live in these conditions. this was five years ago. this grim milestone was not the beginning of the living hell. it has been going on for some time and it continues to go on. >> we will get to the lack of a from the international community shortly. education in the last few months has been a massive issue. what has changed in the last five or six months in terms of educating young people? >> i know for a fact that our community has done a lot of work
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to uplift ourselves. a lot of these informal schools are from mainly donations from the community. however much we can get together we actually send back home. we have been seeing the dwindling ability to transfer the funds inside the bazaar to the people we are working with. on top of that, many different excesses we use to have our closedown. we found out informal schools are no longer permitted. it was ignored for a long time that we did this as long as it does not mimic any curriculum that can work in the bangladeshi curriculum. we have a situation where authorities from humanitarian
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organizations are the ones who tipped off bangladeshi authorities to come and closedown these informal schools. the people in the camps are feeling helpless because they do not know where to send their children. the informal schools were by no means sufficient, but it was enough to get people to see the prospect, to actually hope for the future. but in this case, when all the schools were closed down, and we have people been told to say they want to go back home regardless of the situation, there is connection there where education is no longer accessible. here we have a group of people saying they are going to go home regardless of how the conditions might be.
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it is mind boggling how things are worsening. >> with half of these camps made up of children, what does a lack of education on such a large scale to the future of these people? are there concerns there will be a lost generation created through this? >> not allowing them an education is killing their souls. they are not allowed to go to schools. even rohingya youth, they tried to stand up for the community. it is a crime from the
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humanitarian perspective. you are destroying the community for the future. there is long-term damage it will cause. until they are able to go back, they are there. the education is the most important and the backbone of the community to stand up on their own. they need to consider seriously to allow the schools. let the international community also raise this concern. >> just on the bangladesh
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government, five years ago i imagine they never thought they would still have one million refugees living in their country in these sorts of conditions. it is too much pressure and responsibility being put on one country and what can be done about it? >> there is an enormous amount of pressure on bangladesh. and there is not being enough done to support them. there are a lot of challenges they are facing. they have a lot on their play. over one million people they welcomed into their country to save their lives. and now they're facing the enormous challenge of how to deal with this enormous responsibility without adequate support from the international community.
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what bangladesh needs is obviously voices to be heard inside those camps. to listen and be responsive to those voices. they also need support and engagement to a much larger degree from the international community. >> do you feel that this plight of one million refugees is getting attention because it is a significant anniversary, five years on? but do you feel a lot of it is a lot of talk, but not much action? how do you feel the international community has responded to the plight in the last 12 months or so? >> i unfortunately think it has been forgotten. a lot of times there was this
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curious trend within the international community when it comes to dealing with the rohingya flight. it always asked as if the rohingya issue is separated from the bmr issue. -- myanmar issue. the international community has ignored the concerns that has been voiced by the community and leadership. and now we are stuck in the issues of human insecurity and apartheid like conditions. all of this is going back to the issue that is not dealt with well enough or in full force, which is impunity, especially
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the impunity enjoyed by the myanmar community. there are still many countries better doing business or benefiting from the economic incentives and basically enabling the myanmar military cooktop by extension. and that is prioritized over sagan lives -- saving lives. we have this issue of priority not being placed on the right issues or seen. when we deal with issues of rohingya, it is as if we are trying to kick down doors that will never open for us. we have issues like this where dwindling funds are really an issue for the bangladeshi government. i may be critical of the
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management, but it needs to be said that rohingya likelihood of actually repatriating is almost impossible at this moment in time unless the international community comes together and finds resolutions while also holding the myanmar military accountable in ways that eradicate the power and influence. without addressing the issues, we will not be able to get anywhere and the rohingya issue -- situation will get worse. >> what exactly would you like the international community to do? is the more money, sanctions, legal action? >> there are short-term and
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long-term strategies. in the short term, we need to build up the community with education support. so that they can build up their lives. the second thing is political support. they need to get support from the international community. it is not going to happen in the
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short term. it will take a long time. we cannot put all our expectations only on the legal matters. transitional justice is also very important. a large community has already been destroyed. how are we going to repair this? how are we going to make sure this damage will immediately stop? we need a short-term strategy to build up the community. all the resources need to be channeled among the rohingya people. they deserve to protect themselves, to decide their future, their destiny.
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>> we have seen recently the international court of justice ruled the case against myanmar can now proceed. is that a huge turning point? >> it is an important step forward. the other important step forward happened yesterday when the u.k. joint the case. we now have benevolence, canada and -- the netherlands, canada and big u.k.. -- the united kingdom. we need to do a lot more than just that. there are ways in which the international community can coordinate. pressure needs to be applied,
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political pressure, diplomatic pressure. the person who commanded the troops, who committed genocide five years ago is the one who led this coup in myanmar last year. and is now holding an entire nation hostage. literally torturing, killing the daily life of the people in myanmar is a living hell and is getting worse. the international community has failed. it needs to be on the agenda of every country who believes in human rights and justice, otherwise this nightmare is just
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going to get worse. >> we have a few minutes. i would like to hear on the final point. how much hope do you hold out that one day the people stuck in the refugee camps will be able to return home to me and mark? -- myanmar? >> i think it will take a lot of efforts. it would need a collaborative, coordinated effort from all sides to actually uplift the community. they would have to start with recognition that rohingya survival itself has been a skill set. it needs to be acknowledged and utilized in terms of planning for the inevitable, which is
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however long rohingya we need to stay in the camps. they should be able to use those skills to meet issues like food shortage, until they actually go back to me and more -- myanmar. i have a lot of hopes for my community. we have survived one of the worst things that could ever happen to humans. we will survive however long it takes for us to gain back the peace and prosperity that we deserve. but we need the international community to be serious about it. >> thank you also much for joining us. we are out of time.
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i would like to think all three of our guests today. thank you so much for being on the program. and thank you too so much for watching. you can see the program by visiting our website. for further discussion, go to our facebook page. you can also join the conversation on twitter. goodbye for now.
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