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>> these are the top stories. the israeli military admitting shireen abu akleh was most likely killed by israeli gunfire. it will not pursue criminal charges. there is a possibility she was hit by troops. more up front on that. >> not a surprise to her family, not a surprise to the palestinian of doherty and not a
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surprise to the palestinians we have speaking to. it was predicted that criminal investigation would not be launched. the thinking being with everyone having a family member who has served or is serving in the israeli military it would publicly name a soldier and people would be loathed to do that. there is precedent of an israeli soldier being convicted. there was a case where a soldier shot a palestinian man who shot -- lying on the ground. among the palestinian populace this was not a surprise. >> partner will get its third female prime minister on monday. she will replace boris johnson. she is promising decisive action
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to tackle the cost of living. >> gas prices have skyrocketed across europe. prices shot up but is much as 30%. there is an indefinite shutdown on nord stream 1. police in canada say one of two brothers suspected in the stemming deaths of 10 people has been found dead. at least 18 others were injured. the attacks took place in the remote community called jane's creek nation and at the nearby town of walden. other headlines on inside story, stay with us. ♪
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>> famine as at somalia store. -prices and political instability is their time to prevent a crisis? then what is needed to break the cycle? this is inside story. ♪ >>. i am laura kyle. parts of salon modly -- somalia will be in famine by the end of the year.
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there was a poll for international aid. our reporter says he was shocked to the core by the suffering. drought caused by failed raining seasons has displeased thousands of somalis. greens and cooking oil are unaffordable. frequent attacks removed convoys. >> we want the world to observe, to listen and to contribute and many governments have. he generously they gave money to the humanitarian program. we will need more there next year. lifesaving which is the core of the humanitarian businesses what we have to do today in somalia.
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we need to save lives. lives which are at great risk. we need to invest in alternative -- generations of living of their livestock have no more livestock. the likelihood of further drought will mean they won't be able to pursue that we of life that they had had for generations. what we see threatened as well as elsewhere but particularly here is a way of life is under threat. that means, we need to invest in people as an alternative. i went to a site for internally displaced people, people have been there for nine years. nine years that they have been displaced. we have still not been able to give them alternative ways to live independently of
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humanitarian aid. it is a massive attempt. >> somalia has struggled with political instability and famine. 1991 warlords cost of the president and then turned onto each other. there were several interim governments between 1991 and 2000. they have been fighting african forces for control of the country. now in the midst of the driest conditions in 40 years the u.n. estimates 7.8 million people are on humanitarian assistance. ♪ let's bring in our guest. thicket of director for policy studies. joining us ■from suit on is michael dunford.
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and in the u.k. research associate at the london school of economics and co-authored of famine in somalia. welcome to all of you. if i could start with you because it is in parts of central and southern somalia or the threat of famine seems to be looming the largest. what are you seeing and hearing happening in these areas? >> i just wanted to add my voice to that of the humanitarian coordinator and by the way this is really this was coming for quite some time. they have been warning somali government from the last three months to raise the awareness of this problem. so at the moment, we have to
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just focus on rescuing as many people as possible simply because it reached a level where it is about the country declaring famine. we can discuss the sustainable ways or the long-term solutions. for now, all of the efforts has to focus on saving as many people as possible. >> so it's an emergency situation. give us a picture of what that looks like on the ground. >> the combination of factors here that actually is affecting everyday life. there is the conflict that is going on. the pandemic has had serious effects and also rain was
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actually, at least in short supply. we have a number of factors that affected the communities and the people who are living outside the big cities. as long as people are already living, the resilience factor is that of the way. we are in a situation according to the people in the humanitarian sector everybody who can do, who can help should help. i think maybe i should just emphasize the role that the gulf countries can play. that's an economic. >> we will look at the international response a little later in the discussion.
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the humanitarian chief said he was shocked to the core by what he saw but his concern is what is happening to the people he didn't see. the people he didn't have access to. do we know the full extent? do we know the full picture? >> i think we have a very good sense of the situation today. as martin indicated, access to these populations is extremely challenging because of the insecurity. i was there two weeks ago. i met many of the beneficiaries you saw on your clip. it really is heartbreaking seeing people who are being forced to walk from their homes. i even met a woman who walked for 28 days with her seven children to try and find humanitarian relief. the program scaled up
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traumatically but the problem is that despite the warning signs that we had the funding has been slow to arrive and only now are we hitting our peak level of operations. i feel we will have to grow the response to meet these needs. >> the humanitarian chief, again, he said somalia is one step away from famine. when he looked at the last famine back in 2000 on the vent you found the u.n. called it too late and the response was there too slow. do you see the same thing happening again? >> i think there is no doubt you can say the same again. we, in fact, myself and three colleagues who did the work on the research in 2011, 12. we put an a in peace -- an opinion piece this year.
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we have been raising the possibility that there is going to be famine in somalia. we cannot necessarily say the famine itself is being called to late. it's been a technical assessment and predicting of him and might take place in the last quarter of this year but that is in a way playing with semantics here. the situation is already horrendous. a lot of people have died already. this has been going on for many months already. somali communities from around the world for at least the last year have been raising money and sending money to relatives in different parts of the country. they predominately, from certain identity groups, certain population groups that were predominately victims of famine in 91 and 92.
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and the humanitarian system is also, must take responsibility for not having called for more resources and would term our resources earlier when we raised the issue in january before the ukraine crisis which is clearly taking away from funding possibilities. but the amounts of money we are talking about also need to be put into context because they are minuscule in comparison with the about the money that was raised in response to the covid pandemic and for the ukraine crisis at the moment. it's not really a question, there was a need for more funding but in the end this is also about the political will both from the salami of government site as well as from the international community and that should have been there and acting over six months ago. al-shabaab, that is an interesting -- >> let me get a response from
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michael on the point that you raised that humanitarian groups had not called for resources earlier. michael, what is your response? >> i am inclined to disagree. we have made it clear we needed resources the beginning of this year. we talked about the risk of famine because of the drought while in the middle of last year. we knew this was coming. i agree to international community has been slow to make the funding available to allow the program and others to scale up. in april, we were only feeding 1.7 million. that was because a lack of funding. we are not have four point five because the u.s. government particularly has come through with the levels of funding required. but we need another 320 $7 million just to get through to the end of the year. this is a huge population as a
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result it requires huge amounts of funding and i agree that either donors need to step up. >> what is your take on this? why do you think the response has been so slow? >> while i think other factors, the ukraine crisis was one of the many once --ones. the attention of the international donor community shifted to other contacts we had. we had other major, i mean political events taking place so that has overshadowed the somalia crisis. i think the other factor here is this became a recruiting problem or it just happens every few years. there is some sort of from the
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donor perspective. people are dying. to the credit of the government, one of the positions of the president was to appoint someone to raise the profile. again, this is a matter of priorities. >> absolutely. it's true isn't it? a big problem here is donor fatigue. these organizations have to be careful about continuously asking for money when there are lots of other things on the world stage happening. do you think this, now, is the wake-up call the world needs for somalia? or do you think people are operating a we and simply ignoring it? >> i don't think people are ignoring it.
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the famine word as always very evocative and it can help to raise attention and mobilize further. the problem with the f word is that it is late once it's announced. i can the situation to some degree but the degree is where we already have a catastrophic situation in many parts of the country. where we also struggle to reach people. yes, more resources are needed but we've also, myself and colleagues have also pointed out that mark could beat him with assisting -- existing resources. we have had difficulty for the last 10 years to reach many areas of somalia. we are constrained to working in certain centers. that has been a great stagnation
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are any kind of access. does humanitarian, developmental as well as that is going to remain the case. it is something that we raised in 2014, actually in and anticipate -- in anticipation for famine. they are a pervasive presence and they have a very well established and have been so for over 10 years. >> how do they control access to the areas not controlled the government? >> is challenging. there are a number of areas that are besieged where we are forced to fly commodities in. what we're finding at the moment is that the populations are increasingly moving towards centers where we are able to access them.
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this is where we have seen such a large number displaced because of this conflict. the challenges of access are very real in somalia today. all of us, as humanitarian actors are struggling with this but we are eager to ensure we are able to reach the beneficiaries before they need to move. issues of access, negotiations with the various parties is key to be able to do this. >> one of the critical points that allow for a famine to take place, to occur is the political failure of the leaders. somalia's new president declared all-out war on al-shabaab. is that the right approach given the situation? is it better at this stage to be
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declaring all-out negotiations? >> i think this is not an either or situation. when it comes to effort in consolidating its power it will employ both strategies. show as well as negotiation. i think this is the normal. i am calling for negotiations but i understand that normally, on a given state is consolidating its power may also use some sort of force. i think that is just a different issue at this stage. at the moment, i think the president, before the government was appointed he appointed a humanitarian envoy that raises the profile.
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some politicians are concerned that is sometimes just the work famine is used it might shift all of the development to the relief. this has been a concern that some politicians have been expressing. overall, i think what we are facing and at the buffalo understanding at the government level is fine. but the capacity is limited. that is why they are calling for international community. when people are facing some sort of hunger, i think this is, everything has to focus on saving as many people as possible. is, we have to pay attention to institution building later on. we have to talk about longer-term structure. the debate will come at a
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later stage. michael griffith and others i think are raising the flag and saying once try to save as many people as possible and i agree with that. i really hope that the countries will also be able to. there are sending whatever they can. what is needed is much more than that. >> al-shabaab controls so much of southern somalia, especially the rural areas. how interested is it in helping the people that it controls? just last week it attacked a food convoy and killed 20 people and burned seven truckloads of desperately needed food. is it at all a reliable partner?
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>> that's a good question. i think for many people to answer. really, with that raises is the fact that these discussions should have been, the negotiations shouldn't come right at the dutch in the middle of a deep crisis. these are issues that should have been planned for four months or years in advance. i think al-shabaab is not one single entity. there can be different command structures, different benches -- branches. i think it is not clear how they are organized and we know there are negotiations taking place by different sets of actors whether those are workings and may be looking some areas. how much they are joined up and the humanitarian presenting one
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face. so i think there is a lot that we don't know and a lot that will be happening under the surface that we e don't out abot but i would also say that these are also the symptoms of acting very late and actually these types of negotiations and possibility should've been explored much earlier and i don't think they were. >> so, michael, given the situation we are in, one at that stage could the committee be doing? >> first and foremost, we need funding. the agencies can scale up if we have the levels of funding required. wfp allah needs -- alone needs re-hundred $27 million by the end of the year. health, nutrition, the water,
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sanitation all happening simultaneously because the children won't simply die because of lack of food. it is the combination of factors, particularly diseases and illnesses that will increase the mortality rates. it has to be the collective effort and we have already moved substantially but has indicated for failed --four failed rainy seasons. this time next her, where there has been no substantial ring and the population in need continues to grow as the world ready to allow large numbers to die? i hope not. the only way to avoid that is allow the u.n., world food program and others to continue to cup skillets operations. >> are you hopeful that will be the response? as michael says if you're
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expecting the next two links to fail this is a crisis that is only going to continue and worsen. >> that is the general prediction at the moment. in 2011 the famine response at the time, they did a good job by how big the relief of the problem. i hope this time the gulf states and others can lead by at least giving the initial funding aspect of it but also trying to help. we have a state that unless it is helping and actually able to control, and cannot do anything about famine or any other issue.
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i think these are the two, also at this time may be these countries with rich economies might be able to provide immediate response while also learning some lessons from the past. i think turkey can be instructed here. >> immediate and long-term help desperately needed. we will have to leave it there for today. thank you so much for all of our guests. thank you too for watching. if you can see the program again by watching al jazeera.com and you can go to our facebook page for inside story. you can join the conversation on twitter. for me, laura kyle and the whole team here at night. ♪
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