09/12/22 09/12/22 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> their empire is going down and down and down because they did in the past do many bad things to the people of the world. but we are mourning queen.

because the queen as a person, human being. amy: not all her subjects throughout the former british empire are mourning her death equally. we will speak with professor mukoma wa ngugi, son of author ngugi wa thiong'o. hi deaf uncle was shot by british soldiers and says colonialism happened to real people. it is absolute madness to expect us to mourn the queen. we will also speak with professor caroline elkins, author of "legacy of violence: a history of the british empire." in the pills are prize-winning book "imperial reckoning." it helped lead to reparations for more than 5200 surviving canyons subjected to systematic torture under british rule.

in the family of carl, unarmed black man killed by new jersey police new year's day 2021, has filed a civil lawsuit against the officer, the new york polic department and the cityf wark. >> we filed lawsuiseeking damages under is what says ficeacting under cor of state law or federal law takes life, uses excessive force, unnecessary force,hen he can be held liable for damages. amy: we speak with carl dorsey sister. then tens of thousands in jackson, mississippi, now have their water restored for the first time in weeks but it is brown that is coming out of the tap. as republican governor tate reed says privatization is on the agenda, we will speak with judd legum about how "this multi-billion dollar corporation exacerbated the water crisis in jackson, mississippi." >> this is a company that came

to the city of jackson offering solutions. they set at the city signed and $90 million contract, the largest in history, it could not only solve a lot of the problems for the water system but it could generate more revenue and help improve the entire water system over time, but that contract turned out to be a disaster. the company never delivered o its promises and made the situation much, much worse. amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. ukrainian forces have regained control of almost all of the kharkiv region in the northeast of ukraine after launching a counteroffensive against russia. russia's defense ministry has acknowledged pulling troops from the city of izium and other parts of the region. ukraine is claiming it has recaptured 20 towns and villages over the past 24 hours. but millions were left without power and water on sunday after russia bombed key civilian

infrastructure facilities in the kharkiv and donetsk regions. "the new york times" reports the united states played a key role in helping ukraine launch the counteroffensive via intelligence gathering and training. one former obama official said, "these guys have been trained for eight years by special ops." over the weekend, ukraine's foreign minister dmytro kuleba called for allies to send more weapons. >> we showed we can defeat the russian army with weapons also provided by our partners. the more weapons we received, the faster we win. the faster this war will end and we will be able to concentrate on other goals. amy: this comes as ukraine has shut down the last operating reactor at zaporizhzhia, the largest nuclear power plant in europe, admitted fears that fighting near the russian-occupied facility could lead to a nuclear catastrophe. a third of pakistan remains

under water following devastating floods that have killed over 1300 people and displaced tens of millions. during a weekend visit to pakistan, u.n. secretary general antonio guterres said he had never seen "climate carnage" on such a scale. >> emissions are rising as people die in floods and famines. this is collective suicide. from pakistan, i am issuing obal appeal, stop the madness, end the war with nature,nvest in renewable energy now. amy: buckingham palace has announced the state funeral for queen elizabeth ii will take place at westminster abbey on september 19. the queen's body will lie in state at the houses of parliament beginning on wednesday. on friday, king charles iii gave his first public remarks since assuming the throne following the death of his mother.

>> in taking up these responsibilities, i shall strive to follow the inspiring example i have been set in upholding constitutional government and to seek the peace, harmony, and prosperity of the peoples of these islands and of the realms and territories throughout the world. amy: over the weekend, at least two people were arrested in britain for publicly criticizing the monarchy. the activist simon hill said he was arrested in oxford after yelling out, "who elected him" during a ceremony honoring king charles. election results in sweden remain too close to call after sunday's vote, but preliminary results show a coalition of right-wing parties have a narrow edge. the anti-immigrant far right sweden democrats party appears set to become the second largest party in sweden's parliament, winning more than 20% of the vote.

the party emerged out of sweden's neo-nazi movement in the late 1980's. ahead of the election, swedish climate activist greta thunberg accused swedish politicians of not doing enough to confront the climate emergency. >> no party in sweden is taking the climate crisis siously has policies and land that are needed to keep us in line with the paris agreement, this includes all of our emissions and the social justice aspect. this election campaign has, as always, been dominated by populism, party programs that are detached from reality, aggressive personal attacks, and pure lies. amy: in the united states federal grand jury has , a subpoenaed former trump adviser stephen miller and more than a dozen others as a part of a probe into trump's fundraising efforts after the 2020 election and attempts to submit fake electors to overturn the election. others subpoenaed include brian jack, trump's final white house political director.

on capitol hill, vermont independent senator bernie sanders is threatening to vote down a stopgap bill to fund the federal government unless democratic party leaders strip it of a measure making it easier for polluters to win permits for new fossil fuel projects. senate democratic leader chuck schumer says he included the reforms in order to win the support of senator joe manchin for sweeping climate and healthcare legislation known as the inflation reduction act. senator manchin has received more campaign contributions than -- from possible interest that any other member of congress. an early draft of permitting reform legislation obtained by bloomberg was watermarked with the letters "api," suggesting it was written by the american petroleum institute. on friday, 72 house democrats sent a letter to party leaders morning the legislation would harm low-income people aid -- and communities of color. they write -- "these destructive provisions will allow polluting manufacturing and energy

development projects to be rushed through before the families who are forced to live near them are even aware of the plans." in louisiana, elected officials in st. james parish have rejected a $2.2 billion proposal to create the largest methanol production facility in north america between two historically black neighborhoods. it's a major victory for environmentalists in southern louisiana, who spent nearly a decade fighting the proposed petrochemical complex. the region is often called "cancer alley," an 85-mile stretch along the mississippi river between baton rouge and new orleans where some 150 fossil fuel and petrochemical facilities operate. sunday marked the 21st anniversary of the september 11, 2001 attacks on the world trade center, the pentagon, and united airlines flight 93 that killed nearly 3000 people. in a tweet, the american civil liberties union said -- "today, we honor the victims of the tragic attacks on 9/11,

their families, and all of those impacted. we also reflect on the destructive legacy of our country's 'war on terror' and the lack of government accountability for the resulting harm inflicted at home and abroad." meanwhile, in chile, protesters marked another 9/11 sunday, the 49th anniversary of the u.s.-backed military coup that ousted democratically-elected salvador allende and led to a 17-year dictatorship led by general augusto pinochet. chile's president gabriel boric called for an intensive search of people who disappeared after the coup. september 11, 1973>> let's relentlessly keep searching. 1192. 1192 detained went missing and we still don't know where they are.

this is unacceptable, intolerable. we can't normalize it. amy: the montana department of public health and human services has instituted a new rule blocking transgender people from changing the sex listed on their birth certificates even if they have had gender-confirmation surgery. the aclu of montana has asked a state judge to strike down the rule. meanwhile, in boston, a bomb threat was called into boston children's hospital on friday for the second time in two weeks. the hospital has come under attack recently by right-wing groups for establishing the first pediatric and adolescent transgender health program in the united states. the state of new york has declared a state of emergency over an outbreak of polio, which has been detected in waste-water in four counties since april, as well as here in new york city. vaccination rates among children in the affected communities run as low as 58%. public officials say their goal is to vaccinate over 90% of new yorkers. the cdc recommends children receive four doses of polio vaccine by the age of six.

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billionaire sackler family, which is ruthless and responsible for countless deaths and so much bloodshed and decided to take this family down along withhe organization pain. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. as the world marks the death of queen elizabeth ii, we begin day's show looking at how she had many subjects throughout the former british empire and not all are mourning her death equally. buckingham palace has announced the state funeral for queen elizabeth ii will take place at westminster abbey on september 19. the queen's body will lie in state at the houses of parliament beginning on wednesday. on friday, king charles iii gave his first public remarks since assuming the throne following the death of his mother. >> in taking that these responsibilities, i shall strive to follow the inspiring example

i have been set in upholding constitutional government and to seek the peace, harmony, and prosperity of the peoples of these islands and of the common realms of territories throughout the world. amy: over the weekend, at least two people were arrested for publicly criticizing the monarchy. activist symon hill said he was arrested in oxford after yelling out, "who elected him" during a ceremony honoring king charles iii. for more british colonial violence and his legacy, we're joined by two guests. caroline elkins is professor of african and african-american history at harvard university. her most recent book is titled "legacy of violence: a history of the british empire." she was awarded the 2006 pulitzer prize for her first book "imperial reckoning: the untold story of britain's gulag in kenya." her research into britain's brutal suppression of the mau

mau movement in the 1950's resulted in a court case that helped lead to reparations have more than 5200 surviving kenyans who were subjected to systematic torture and abuse under british rule. also with us, mukoma wa ngugi is associate professor of "literatures in english" at cornell university. his most recent book is titled "unbury our dead with song." he is the co-founder of the safal-cornell kiswahili prize for african writing. in 2020, he was part of the initiative at cornell to change the department's name from "department of english" to "literatures in english." he is the son of world-renowned kenyan author ngugi wa thiong'o. after queen elizabeth died. our guest wrote -- "my uncle was deaf. he was asked by british soldiers to stop. of course he did not hear them. they shot him dead.

my other uncle was in the mau mau. my grandmother hid bullets for him. colonialism happened to real people. it is absolute madness to expect us to mourn the queen." we welcome you both to democracy now! your response to the death of the queen, the monarch who reigned for 70 years and what she meant for africa and specifically your country kenya? >> what i've been thinking about the last few days is how my family got affected, were affected by british colonialism. you mentioned my uncle who was deaf. he could not hear the soldiers, the british soldiers when they shot him. also my other uncle with the

mau mau. what has become interesting the is the intimacy of colonialism. i was talking with my father the other day and he told me the story about how we also had loyalists in our family, his brother was a loyalist. and how at some point they went to my grandmother's place at the same time and they both ran away. in my case, my name mukoma wa ngugi, chief who was called m ukoma who was forced off land in is really beautiful place. his people were forced off the land and taken to a very, very

arid area. i think what i want people to think about is these questions of colonialism, they happened to real people. it happened to real people. amy: if you could share for our audience in the united states and around the world who are not familiar with kenya's history, going back in time and back to the british colonial time when it became a colony, kenya's independence, who the mau mau were? >> yes. the mau mau, people call it a rebellion but we should really call it a revolution. they were revolutionaries. british colonialism was brutal. there is no other way to put it. then when the kenyans started

resisting, the british government declared a state of emergency in which case a lot of kenyans were taken in. in gambia, a former concentration camp. it was very, very brutal. there is -- we don't give it enough historical breadth. people talk about it like a very narrow movement, but it was the whole of the kenyan society. the mau mau, different ethnicities and so forth. for the audience in the united states, i would say [indiscernible]

you can't have oppression without resistance. so we had that resistance. the betrayal happened. there were factions within the independence movement. so the betrayal happened where you ended up with a president who actually at some point called the mau mau terrorists. a bit of irony here in kenya, the current president declared a four day mourning period for the queen, but his father, he himself is actually jailed and detained by the british. so i think there are two levels here. one is government responses or the larger structural political issue. the other level ishat ey're

sayi themselves. soave you colonial government, to put it -- neocolonial government, to put it bluntly. those who are affected by their british colonialism. amy:, and, the queen had a special relationship with kenya, not only though it is interesting, that she learned of her own father's death, which led to her ascension as queen, when she was visiting kenya. the significance of this, professor? >> it is one of the ironies that as she became queen of kenya, but at the same time when the repression against kenyans was becoming not just visible but also -- martyrs, wanton

shooting, someone and so forth. there is an obsession i think within the monarchy of having this territory. in the headlines, king charles does you quoted king charles where he is saying we have realms, territories, so on and so forth. but for me, it is a degree of psychosis that you can go to another people's land, colonize them, and then expect them to honor you at the same time, right? the fact kenya has entered four days of mourning for the queen captures that absurdity. i don't know.

i find it so, i don't know, silly, to put it that way. the queen became the queen in kenya at the same time there were martyrs, assassinations, and just good old-fashioned corruption and so on and so forth. and then at the same time, we are expected to mourn the queen. amy: i want to bring professor caroline elkins into this conversation, you are a colleague -- your colleague at harvard with the african and african-american history department, author of "legacy of violence: a history of the british empire." you won the pulitzer prize for 2006 your book "imperial reckoning: the untold story of britain's gulag in kenya." tell us that story and how come i mean, most of course the

reason the reparations went to so many kenyans, thousands of them, was because of their activism, but because of your book as well. >> thank you so much for having me today. a few things. first of all, the book really picked up on where the literature, and i mean literature that had been written about, one or two steps at least ahead of [indiscernible] i was determined to tell the full story of these detention camps that were set up on a massive scale. 1.5 million people were detained in a detention camp for emergencyillages, barb why villages come as a way of suppressing mau mau. these documents were denied at the time first under churchill and then successors and finally in the film they denied any wrongdoing and allegations did

surface, they explained it as the fault of a one-off, so-called bad apple. instead what we find is when we piece the story back together, this was a story about systematic violence, torture, murder, and massive cover-up. and the bottom line is serious crimes happened on her watch. [indiscernible] every detention camp in kenya as they were beaten in order to exact their loyalty to the british crown. the question remains now that we are debating in some ways, how much did she know and how do we reconcile this moment in time between kenya around her death? first of all, we should honor those individuals, those whose families experienced this who

choose not to mourn. and based on the history we know, it is their decision to do so and absolutely within the right to do so and justifiable. the same time what i find interesting is getting back to mukoma wa ngugi's point about the current president and many others when this case happened, five climates initially sued the british government for systematic torture and violence in the 1950's d fo years later the british shuttled the case. but for each of those five claimants that came to london, they each believed they were appealing not to the british government but to the queen. the person they wanted to see most was the queen. and one of them said in his statement is, if i could speak to the queen, this is what i would tell her. and he said that under her watch, the british government

tortured but he did not hold her personal responsible. when i step back and look at this, what i see some of her power is not only that the extrtion [indiscernible] but the fact she herself as her predecessors did wrapped herself in empire, deflected from what was being carried out in her name, and colonial subjects to review her. -- revere her. in some ways, that expensive government buthe current one in kenya are calling for mourning mourning four days of national. amy: can you talk more extensively about the mau mau rebellion, what professor mukoma wa ngugi called a revolution, and what british did to them in you? >> absolutely. i think the mau mau in a nutshell was anticolonial in the

civil war, enter in that it was those who joined the movement and took an oath of allegiance and nearly 1.5 million, about 90%, took what was considered the first oath of allegiance to the movement. this was a massive movement and there are demanding freedom from the british government. as a way to suppress that, the british government rounded up and detained nearly all of them. nearly 1.5 million. it was also a guerrilla war, about 20,000 or 30,000 pledgedfarc, a classic military action. with the initiative within two years of the war, so from -- [indiscernible] during that period of time, they

exacted extraordinary torture, forced labor, punishment, starvation and order to get the detainees and those who were detained at emerncy villages to renounced their allegiance to mau mau, to adopt their allegiance back to her majesty in order to be released from the camps and to become come as they consider themselves to become "british civilized subjects." that is at the heart of both the mau mau and the british government. ultimate, the british government becomes a war of attrition. they ultimately decides to to colonize kenya in 1963 -- d colonize kenya in 1960 through after it is caught red-handed for 11 detainees were beaten to death and what is different about this, it was an exceptional moment but what is difference is they get caught red-handed and they cannot explain it away. a huge up or explain to the

queen this was an unfortunate incident based on the actions of minor officials when what we know as historians that this was the end of a long pattern, six years, brutal torture, murder, and starvation tactics, along with forced labor in these camps in kenya. amy: so when we look at the cost of the funeral alone, and his economic time says it is expected to cost 6 billion pounds, not to mention the expenditures of the royal family over these decades, how much of that money comes from the pain and suffering of the people of kenya? what were the resources in kenya? most importantly, human resources? what was written extracting from kenya? >> this is an enormous question, one that we are not going to

settle in the context of our few minutes here. i can tell you this. the british government, the moment the queen ascended in february 1952, there british government was reeling from postwar effects and its economy was in tatters. it decides it is going to rebuild its economy and its position as part of the big ree on the international global stage on the backs of its colonized people through a policy called imperial resurgence. can becomes an impornt part of this -- can becomes an important part of this. they needed this in order to bolster e pound, sterling. payback for the war and rebuilding its economy. so there is no question whatsoever, answering the question in a different way, but no question during queen victoria's reign, kenya would be one example, ghana, her

government, her nation rebuild itself on the backs of empire. and that i think we are fairly unequivocal about. the question becomes today, not just the mourning but thinking about -- guaranteed every single royal [indiscernible] certainly under queen elizabet come every royal occasion and imperial one. not only will they be spending money that comes from empire over the years, but they will also be holding out the symbols, the signs, the images of empire, metals and statues and the like, reinforcing imperial greatness. and that is linked to britain. amy: do you see reparations being a very real now and prominent issue as the queen dies and charles becomes king?

>> unquestionably. look, i think a few things. [indiscernible] the mau mau case that i was involved with as an expert witness. particularly in recent years, king charles iii and the raw family have become well aware of global demand for a kind of global british imperial reckoning if you will commit based upon protest, based upon the petitions from formally colonized people and those still living in commonwealth. it is unquestionable as well, we can debate all we want how much the queen knew about what was going on, there is no debate whatsoever that this current king has the knowledge of that serious crimes happened on his mother's imperial watch. and is up to him at this to jettison in some ways the tradition that his mother held

to gear revised and going back to the speech that you played early in the program, where he also speaks to britain's unique history "unique history," and i would add imperial benevolence, she cultivated a throne for seven years and he has to reconcile with that. he has to speak to these questions of reparation. the alternative is to simply carry on and that is only going to hasten the monarchy divide. that i feel fairly confident in sight. amy: repressor mukoma wa ngugi, we give you the final -- professor mukoma wa ngugi, we give you the final word now that prince charles has become king charles iii? >> what i would like to see is this notion of the commonwealth, i was thinking about the name earlier, commonwealth, whose wealth?

but thinking about all of these issues, back to slavery, so the book and working on now took me to ghana. it is very depressed -- the aftershocks or the trauma of slavery is evident. it is poor, depressed, someone and so forth. then from there, as i left qatar, i would to bristol in england. bristol was a slave trade import . looks like a good old-fashioned bohemian town. most people know it now because of the dismantling of the statue of a slave trader. we can see the effects of slavery.

we can see the effects of colonialism. and we can see how the wealth of england was built. eric williams, talking about liverpool, said there is no breaking liverpool that does not have slaves -- i have no faith in king charles. i have no faith in him at all. but what is interesting to me now is the groundswell of africans affected by colonialism . should just call it the global south. i think there is a consciousness that we don't need england even materially or psychologically. i would say my faith is with the global south, not the monarchy. amy: professor mukoma wa ngugi,

thank you for being with us, associate professor of "literatures in english" at cornell university. and caroline elkins is professor of african and african-american history at harvard university. legacy of -- "legacy of violence: a history of the british empire." and "imperial reckoning: the untold story of britain's gulag in kenya." next up, it has been almost two years since newark police killed carl dorsey was to his family has just filed a civil lawsuit. we will speak with his sister. stay with us. ngugi wa thiong'o ♪♪ [music break]

amy: john lennon returned his honorary title to the queen in

protest over britain's role in the war. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the family of a black man killed by newark police while he was unarmed is demanding answers after the investigation into his death dragged on for nearly 20 months. the facts, they say, are clear -- carl dorsey was shot dead just after midnight new year's day 2021 by undercover police detective rod simpkins in newark, new jersey. simpkinsas in an unmarked police minivan and in plaincthes when he arrived at the scene after reportedly hearing gunshots within seconds oexiting his car,imins fired his gun at dors. it is unclear he announced himself as a pole officer. dorsey's family says an inveigation by the new jersey attorney genal's ofce has so faled nowhe. now eir attorney has filed vil lawsuit ainst simpns and seral other ofcers who were there that ght, alo withhe newark police department a its pole chief

darnell henry, and the city of nerk. robertarver is a formestate prosecutor. he spoke sunday to democracy now! about how the case seeks punitive damages and accuses police of excessive force. >> we though t lawsuit under section 1983 of e united states ce which sets en an officer acting under color of state law or federal lawakes a life, es excesve force unnecessary fce, he can b held liable for damages. we also sued under the n jersey civil rightact which basically says t same ing, at whe you violate the new jerseytate constitution -- and cleay they did because the constitution gives you the right to liberty, which is life -- when tha happens, then we have the right to ek damages. put it in context. january 6, 202is when insurrection occurred in washington, d.c.

since that time, we have had numerous investigations, nurous arrests, numero people have been prosecuted -- some have been to trial. we are dealing with e incident in newersey. onincident that is captureon vide the attorneys general's office has done nothing to let this family no what the outcome is of their investigation. amy: that's robert tarver, the attorney for carl dorsey's family. democracy now! spoke to him over the weekend. we also spoke to nyeem dorsey-bey, who descbed what it was like to lose him. >> he always tried to get everyone together for family functions. he would try to get everybody together. we have to enjoy ourselves while we have that time to do it most of carl was a very strong family structed brother. there is no more i can say about

that was welloved. he washe oldest brother. d the second oldest. i'm gointo get emotional because -- i'm so sorry. i'm sorry. amy: for more, we are joined by two guests. in newark, new jersey, madinah person is the sister of carl dorsey, the unarmed black man killed by an undercover newark police detective on january 1, 2021. in new york city is larry hamm, chair of the people's organization for progress. welcome to democracy now! larry, if you can start off by talking about the whole case and the protest that you been demanding cash holding demanding answers? >> as you know, amy, and thank you for inviting me on this morning, carl dorsey was killed on january 1, 2021. he was killed by to take of

simpkins. and immediately, there were demonstrations organized by groups in newark including the people's organization for progress. since that time, we been working closely with madinah person, with carl's stepdad, and the family and support the family in the struggle for justice. in new jersey, there is an independent prosecutor bill so when local police kill someone, that case is no longer taken by the county prosecutor. that case is taken over but attorney general's office. in the attorney general's office has had this case, as you said earlier, for almost two years, going on 20 months now. in that bill, there are benchmarks where the attorney general is supposed to report

his findings. we are well beyond those benchmarks now. so we are calling on the attorney general to meet with the family of carl dorsey and also to report to the community. this is a concern for the family but also a concern for the community. and make her findings known. two years is too long not to hear anything from the attorney general about this case. in addition, we are calling on the u.s. attorney for new jersey who represents the justice department to also look at this case, to see if any of carl civil rights were violated. that is federal civil rights laws were violated in this case. lastly, we are calling on the state legislature to pass police reform legislation that it has had for two years, including

legislation that would enable newark and other municipalities to establish police review boards because we believe, ultimately, the best antidote to police brutality is community control of the police. amy: i want to bring madinah person into this conversation. first of all, our condolences to you, even as this death happened almost two years ago, i know it is so deeply painful to you right through to today. can you talk about how you learned your brother carl had been killed? >> good morning. on new year's day, i received a call in the morning. the call was from my sister.

i thought she was lling to wish me happy new year. we had both told each other we would call each other around midnight. to wish each other a happy new year. we did not get around to doing that so the next call i got was around 7:30 in the morning and i pick uthe phonand she is crying hysterically. she can barely speak. i asked her, what is wrong? when she finally was able to speak,he sd, they killed rl. i said, light, i was just in shock. the first thing i could think o even to say was, why are you playinlike that? don't play like that. stop playing. she's like, i'm not playing. they killed carl. mind you at thitime, she was living out-of-state in delaware so she dropped everything that

she was doing. we decided to meet a my aunt's house,he whole family did. so by the aunt wanda's house, hysterical and crying. for some reason, there was this little ho that maybe he wasn't dead. the family was kind of hanging onto that idea. they wanted me to call the hospital that he supposedly -- the hospital that he was taken to. they want me as his sister to call the hospital to see if he was their mgue. i could not do it. i did not want to hear that kind of news, especially not over the phone. but it was later on the day they

confirmed that he died. amy: has the state spoken you? have the newark police? have the investigators? what communication have they had with your family, with cl's family? >> absolutely none. i have heard from no one. not a police officer, not the attorney general's office. absotely no one related to this case has reached out to myself, has reached out to our attorney, has reached out to anyone in our family. we have had multiple family members call the attorney general's office posted again, they have received no information. we have absolutely no details. we know nothing about anything that is going on, if anything is going on. we don't know anything about any kind of progress. amy: what are you demanding in the civil lawsuit that is just been fil? >> well, we are demanding

justice for my brother. and we need people to be accountable for what happed to him. we need the officer who kied him to be held accountable for his actio. we need the newark police department to be held accountable for their inaction in not firing this police officer years ago. cause it is my understanding that he -- like this is a pattern for h. he pulls out a gun on a plane ose officer before and was allowed to still be onhe force afterwards. which is unacceptable. we need the attorney general's office to be held accountable for the lack of discipline from the new york police department. amy: let me ask larry hamm as we

wrap up, what new did you learn from the video that was released and has officer simpkins been involved with other cases of misconduct? >> yes, amy, this officer has been involved in other cases and does have a reputation. frankly, we call on the city to fire this officer. we feel he should not be on the force. the tape is clear. he shot and killed an unarmed man. he should not be on the force. once again, we are calling on the attorney general's to step forward, to meet with the family. right now i'm calling on the attorney general for new jersey to immediately set up a meeting with the family of carl dorsey coming with madinah and her sister, his stepdad, and any other family members and meet with them and tell them what is

going on with the case and then tell the community. in addition, i want to say -- amy: just have 30 seconds. >> we will have a demonstration for carl dory september 19, 5:00 p.m., in front of the federal building 970 broad st in newark, new jersey. amy: larry hamm, thank you for being with us, chair of the people's organization for progress. madinah person is the sister of carl dorsey. the unarmed black man killed by undercover newark police detective on new year's day 2021. the majority but -- black city of jackson, mississippi, or the water is on but some of it is dark brown. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: "going down to mississippi" by phil ochs. this is democracy now! i'm amy goodman. we end today's show in jackson, mississippi, the majority-black city where tens of thousands of residents who went for two to three weeks without water have now had their water restored in most cases. but in videos that have gone viral online, many show it is now brown water that is coming out of their taps. meanwhile, the capitol city remains under a boil water notice as children return to school. the latest water crisis stemmed from a flooded water treatment plant, but has been decades in the making. as residents look for solutions,

mississippi's republican governor tate reeves has said, "privatization is on the table." but privatizing jackson's water system may be part of what led to this crisis. for more, we look at how jackson contracted with the german multinational conglomerate siemens in 2010 to overhaul the city's water infrastructure and install new water meters for its billing system. the system turned out to be faulty. siemens has said it went "above and beyond its contractual obligations to help address the city's well-known challenges, which are complex." reporter judd legum lays all of this out in his piece headlined "this multi-billion dollar corporation exacerbated the water crisis in jackson, mississippi," published in the independent newsletter popular information, dedicated to accountability journalism. welcome back to democracy now! we just have five minutes. lay out what you found. tell us about siemens and tell us about this brown water that is coming out of people's

faucets now. >> i think the brown water is a reflection of the really system that has been deteriorating now for decades. the story that i reported track how starting in 2010, siemens came to the city of jackson who was already suffering under a very faulty water system at that time and said, we have a solution. you can pay as $90 million, the largest contract signed at that time, in city history, we will install these few automated water meters. this will not only pay for itself, but generate extra revenue, which you can invest back into the water system. they came to the city offering a solution, but this contract ended up being a disaster. not only did it not meet their promises, the automated meters

did not work really at all. any people stopped getting bills. those who got bills received ones that were far too high and did not pay them. so we created massive deficits. ultimately, it led to a lawsuit that was filed by the city and ultimately they agreed to a settlement -- siemens agree to a settlement. in the interim, there was essentially a lost decade were the system deteriorated further and there were really no substantial investments made. and that is part of the reason why we see what is going on today, which is a boil water order, undrinkable water, probably more trouble in the months and years ahead. amy: talk about the role of u.s. consolidated, company owned by former mississippi state politician and lobbyist tom wallace. >> well, part of the issue with this contract was that siemens had agreed to get a fairly high

percentage of -- i believe it was 58% of minority-owned businesses, but instead of finding qualified -- qualified subcontractors, the city alleged it essentially partnered with shell companies who did no work, including this very highly connected former legislator who owns u.s. consolidated. essentially, would act as a pass-through. they would buy the meters from one company, sell them to the city for a markup post of another company would install them. so essentially, this one company, u.s. consolidated, was paid 20 money dollars according to the city lawsuit, sickly doing no work at all. amy: what happened to the $99 from the settlement? why is jackson's water system still such a disaster? >> one third of it went to the lawyers that filed the suit and as i mentioned, there were large

deficits that were created because of the inability to collect fees while these leaders were in place. some of it had to go to fulfill those deficits and then although the cost of the contract was $90 million, jackson did not have that sitting around, they issued bonds, and the total cost was $200 million. the issuance of those bonds requires them to maintain a reserve fund. so between the lawyers, the deficit created, and the reserve funds, there was very little left, less than $10 million, from this $90 million settlement that jackson had to reinvest in the water system. amy: and siemens saying that they went above and beyond the contractual obligations? >> well, that is what they're saying. obviously, they agreed to pay

$90 million, the full amount of the contract, so they acknowledged at least implicitly there that this did not go well. when i contacted siemens looking for comments on what is going on now, they said due to the nature of the settlement, they could not discuss it any further. amy: what is next and what has most shocked you in your research? >> next they will try to find the money to pay for this. so far, the state has in very reticent to do so. there is federal money coming in through the infrastructure bill last year, through the american recovery act, and it is a matter of convincing the state to allow those funds to flow to jackson -- that would at least be a start doing what is now seen as often $2 billion in improvements needed to get clean water to the people of jackson. amy: and governor reeves sang privatization is the answer? close he is now looking at privatization and so we may see

history repeating itself. we will have to see. amy: judd legum is the founder of popular information. we will link to his new piece "this multi-billion dollar corporation exacerbated the water crisis in jackson, mississippi." democracy now! is looking for feedback from people who appreciate the closed captioning. e-mail your comments to outreach@democracynow.org or mail them to úú

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