09/14/22 09/14/22 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> with that shining example before me and god's help, i take up my new duties, resolved to seek the welfare of all the inhabitants of northern ireland. amy: as tens of thousands lined thstreets of london to watch e procession carrying the

casket of queen elizabeth ii, her son, now king charles iii, is just back from northern ireland where more than 3600 people died over three decades of the queens rain and fighting between the irish republican army and forces backed britain. we will look at the monarchs legacy with irish journalist eamonn mccann. then "the storm is here: an american crucible." >> for my book, i tried to chronicle the trajectory of the evolution of this radical right movement from frustration with covid-19 policies to militarized opposition, demand foregional justice, to a stop the steal

movement in the wake of the election to an organized crusade against democracy. amy: we will speak with luke mogelson, "the new yorker" award-winning correspondent, who covered the wars in afghanistan, syria, and iraq before returning to the united states in 2020 to write about right-wing extremism. he was there on january 6 when trump supporters forced their way into the senate chamber. [indiscernible] amy: all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. ukraine is claiming it has

recaptured over 3000 square miles of territory from russia during a counteroffensive largely targeting the kharkiv region. earlier today, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy visited the city of izyum, which ukrainian forces retook over the weekend. despite ukraine's advances, russia still occupies about 1/5 of ukrainian territory. on tuesday, president biden declined to say if he saw ukraine's latest offensive as a turning point in the war. pres. biden: it is clear ukrainians are making progress. it is going to be a long haul. amy: republican senator lindsey graham has introduced legislation to ban abortions nationwide after 15 weeks of pregnancy. >> here is what i think. i think we should have a law at the federal level that would say

after 15 weeks, no abortion on demand except in cases of rape, incest, to save the life of another. and that should be where america is that. in ago senator -- amy: senator graham's nationwide abortion ban proposal shocked many in washington, including some republicans who say the issue should be addressed by states, not the federal government. under graham's bill, states could still impose harsher bans on abortion. house speaker nancy pelosi said tuesday "the nationwide ban put pro forward today is the latest, clearest signal of extreme maga republicans' intent to criminalize women's health freedom in all 50 states and arrest doctors for providing basic care." in west virginia, lawmakers have passed a near total ban on abortion. if republican governor jim

justice signs the bill as expected, west virginia will become the second state, after indiana, to enact a new abortion ban following the supreme court's overturning of roe. republican lawmakers said they hope the bill results in the closure of west virginia's only abortion clinic. indiana's near-total abortion ban goes into effect on thursday. voters went to the polls in new hampshire, rhode island, and delaware tuesday for the final primaries before the november 8 midterm elections. the closely watched republican senate primary in new hampshire is too close to call. with about 85% of the vote counted, retired army brigadier general don bolduc has a narrow lead over new hampshire state senate president chuck morse. bolduc is a far-right trump supporter who has echoed the former president's false claims that the 2020 election was stolen. during a previous run for office, he decried his opponents as "liberal, socialist pansies."

according to the group open secrets, the senate majority pac and the democratic senatorial campaign committee spent nearly $3.3 million helping bolduc in his race against morse. the winner of the race will face incumbent democratic senator maggie hassan in november. meanwhile, former trump staffer karoline leavitt has won the republican primary in new hampshire's first congressional district. the 25-year-old has also claimed trump won the 2020 election. she defeated another former trump aide, matt mowers, who had been endorsed by prominent republicans, including house minority leader kevin mccarthy. according to the website 538.com, there will be about 200 republicans on the ballot in november who have fully denied the legitimacy of the 2020 election. on capitol hill, democrat mary

peltola has been sworn in as alaska's new representative in congress after she beat sarah palin in a special election last month. peltola, who is yup'ik, is the first alaska native to serve in congress. >> it is the honor of my life to represent alaska, a place my elders and ancestors have called home for thousands of years, where to this day many people in my community carry forward our traditions of hunting and fishing. i am humbled and ably honored to be the first alaska native elected to this body, the first woman to hold alaska's house seat. but to be clear, i am here to represent all alaskans. amy: she won in a ranked choice election. amy: in other news from capitol hill, a new investigation by "the new york times" has found at least 97 current members of congress or their close fami members have bought or sold

stock or other investments that intersected with their legislative committee work. one case highlighted by "the new york times" involves house democrat alan lowenthal of california, who serves on the house transportation committee. in 2020, his wife sold shares of boeing one day before the committee released a damning report about problems with boeing's 737 max jet. in london, thousands of people are lining the street to watch a procession carrying the casket of queen elizabeth ii from buckingham palace to westminster hall where her body will lie in state until her funeral on monday. we will go to northern ireland after the headlines to look at how the queen is remembered there. just after the king's visit. labor secretary marty walsh is meeting with railroad companies and top union officials today as more than 110,000 rail workers threaten to go on strike friday to protest deteriorating working

conditions. a strike could disrupt supply chains nationwide. on tuesday, white housuse press secretary karine jean-pierre said the biden administration is working on plans if a strike begins. >> we are working with other modes of transportation, including the shippers and truckers, airfreight, to see how they can step in and keep goods moving. the administration has also been working with relevant agencies to assess what supply chains and commodities are most likely to face severe disruptions and avail authorities to keep goods moving. amy: in other labor news, teachers in seattle have voted to suspend their five-day strike. schools are scheduled to reopen today after a tentative agreement was reached between the school system and the seattle education association.

william ruto has been sworn in as kenya's new president following last month's election. last week, the kenyan supreme court rejected a challenge from his opponent raila odinga. on tuesday, ruto vowed to confront the climate crisis. >> among the central concerns of my government would be climate change. in our country, women and men, young people, workers, farmers and local communities, suffer the consequences of climate. it is not too late to respond, to tackle this threat we must act urgently to keep global levels below the 1.5 celsius. help those in need and and addiction to fossil fuel. amy: in pakistan, the death toll has topped 1400 from catastrophic flooding that has left a third of the country

under water and devastating key agricultural areas. authorities now say it could take six months for the water to recede in some areas. more rain is forecast in some of -- parts of pakistan. authorities are also racing to protect a key power plant north of karachi that provides power to millions of people. patients in makeshift hospital say they are getting sick from a lack of drinkable water. >> floods inundated our homes and we came down here. the water is not clean. the children are falling sick by drinking this water. they suffer from cold, cops, and skin problems. there are no good arrangements for drinking water. amy: twitter's former security chief testified before congress tuesday and warned of major security flaws on the social media platform. peiter "mudge" zatko told lawmakers that china and india had agents working inside twitter and that the company's security protocols were

inadequate. >> what i discovered was that this enormously influential company was over a decade behind industry security standards. the company's cybersecurity failures make it vulnerable to exultation, causing real harm to real people. and when an influential media platform can be compromised by teenagers, thieves, and spies and the company creates secretive problems on their own, this is a big deal for all of us. amy: the right-wing conspiracy theorist alex jones is on trial again, this time in connecticut, for claiming the 2012 sandy hook mass shooting was a hoax. last a month, a jury in texas ordered jones to pay nearly $50 million to a sandy hook family. now a jury is hearing a case brought by 13 family members of

victims and an fbi agent who accused jones of defamation. and former independent counsel ken starr has died at the age of 76. in the 1990's, the right-wing judge headed an investigation of president bill clinton that led to clinton's impeachment in 1998. starr later served as president of baylor university. he resigned in 2016 over the university's cover up of rape and sexual assault by football players. he also served on the defense team for sex offender jeffrey epstein and for blackwater mercenaries accused of killing civilians in iraq. in 2020, ken starr joined donald trump's defense team during trump's first impeachment trial. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. coming up, we look at the new king, king charles iii's visit

to northern ireland and the history of british colonialism in northern ireland. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman in new york, joined by democracy now! co-host juan gonzález in new brunswick, new jersey. hi, juan. juan: hi, amy. welcome to a of our listener and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: as thousands of people line the streets of london to watch a procession carrying the casket ofueen elizabeth ii from buckingham palace to westminster hall where her body will lie in state until her funeral on monday, we begin today's show looking at the monarch's legacy in ireland. king charles iii was just in northern ireland tuesday as part of his tour of sorrow after the

death of his mother. he spoke in hillsborough, northern ireland. >> i mother felt deeply the significance role she herself played in bringing together those history had separated and extending a hand to make possible the healing. at the very beginning of her life of service, the queen made a pledge to dedicate herself to her country and her people and maintain the principles of constitutional government. this promise she kept with steadfast faith. now with that shining example before me and with god's help, i

pick up my new duties resolved help all of the inhabitants of northern ireland. amy: during the queen's reign, more than 3600 people died over three decades in northern ireland in fighting between the irish republican army and forces backed by britain. in 1979, an ira bombing killed lord louis mountbatten, the queen's second cousin. in 2012, the queen famously shook hands with former ira leader and sinn fein politician martin mcguinness in belfast. last week, sinn fein leader michelle o'neill paid tribute to the queen. >> there is no doubt she leaves a legacy of someone who reached out a hand in friendship, someone who advanced for reconciliation, sought to build elections -- relations. i think should be very much

remembered for here on this island. amy: this comes as king charles iii visited belfast tuesday and met with members of sinn fein, which is now the now the largest party in ireland after elections in may, where response to the queen's death has been mixed. for more, we are joined by eamonn mccann, a journalist, writer, and activist in derry, northern ireland. eamonn is a former member of the northern ireland assembly. he also took part in the march on bloody sunday in 1972 and helped form the bloody sunday trust. his 1974 book "war and an irish town" was cently republished. eamonn mccann, welcome back to democracy now! for people who are not familiar with the struggle, if you can layout the history of the monarchy and northern ireland? >> the monarchy is somewhat difficult one and the vast

majority of theeople are overwhelmingly ptestant. a symbol of their desireo be part of the ited kingdom rather than movento a united ireland. the queen, an icon of britisess. their fervor for the queen has, if anything, been much more intense than the fervor of majority of the citizens across the monarch. [indiscernible] 100 years ago, the royal family he or said outright that they -- did not reciprocate the loyalty showed toward them when the

parliamentas open in 1922 -- the monch came across and spoke. during that speech, he expressed a hope there would be reconciliation between all factions in ireland. disputes over sovereignty [indiscernible] he expressed a hope back in 1922 this could be arranged. there are many perspectives you uld see the last couple of days, but ihink it is politically meaniful to look at it and say, well, there is that loyal -- butueen elizabeth, by the death of een elizabeth. the royal family is sociated itlf to some exten with advocates for a united ireland th is bound to cause or the

coming weeks and months of considerable confusion and dismay among the unit's population of the north and euphoria among catholic nationalists that they see as an endorsement -- by the british royal family as a major step toward united ireland and a way of leaving thenion's population in the past and history. judgment of these gestures by prince charles -- king charles, sorry, in the last week since the death of his mother. we will have to see how they play out but i would say at this point, less than a week after the death of the queen, irish nationalists are much more content with what is happening then they traditional loyal loyalists of the unionist population. a turnover of the books, if you say. a turning point in northern

eland. this could turn out to be significant or it could turn out to be a brief moment which passes. juan: to follow up -- following that up, they change in perspective and attitude of sinn feinoward the monarchy? clearly, from the bombg that killed her cousin to the handshake omcginnis in 2012 wi the queen and now with michelle o'neill, the current sinn fein leader paying tree to the queen, how the monarchy may be taking a position, quite distinct from the elected

leaders of the united kingdom, part of e reason why sinn fein has taken such a much openiew tord the monarchy? >> i think that is true. the context for that [indiscernible] the majority people of britain have never actually felt a can with - i work as aabor so i was not leaving in elitcircles. i don't think i veette a person who thought a northern ireland was part of their countr no kinship with the unionists of northern ireland. i recall one of my workmates turning to me and saying, just excited to be whicpart of ireland do we own? for a london laborer to askou

that, it tells you about the perception of english people -- the loyalty has never been reciprocated by the british people. good evidence in historical records that reddish politicians weren't really concerned of bringing northern ireland with them so the unionists should believe themselves as part of the united kingdom and -- loyalty to the british monarchy, they must be in a state of confusion. fear would be putting it too strongly. [indiscernible] as british unionists in the future as we move to cotitution talks. juan i wanted to ask you about jas connolly w an irish republan socialist and tra ion lear over 100 years ago back in 1911, he wrote a piece titled "the british monarchy is

an affront to decracy." what is your view in terms of the monarchy itself and the possibilities that being raised now for the first time to consider ending the monarchy? >> well, i think the argument about the monarchy -- acceptabity of the monarchy is beginning to be discussed across brain. early days yetbut queen elizabeth herlf in the years, the only queen -- the ad of the monarchy, aone in these islands had ever known. her position wasn't really an occasion for controvsy. it w there and ent happened, but it is vy doubtful indeed whether king charles would ever

attain that more or less automatic loyalty. rget about ireland. i think [indiscernible] more easy for anti-monarchists to make the case because it will be dealing with the critical reference that was directed toward queen elizabeth. at the moment, a hint of what might happen -- weave learned the langan state -- laying in-state the queen's body in westminster hall, we're going to see prince harry [indiscernible] prince har is not going to be --

whereas prince andrew, jeffrey epstein, entirely discredited. he is going to be playing a prominent role. he will fill in for king charles iii some ceremonial occasions in the future. so he has not gone away my prince andrew, and it will be interesting to see the apertura pele as the broom date -- brewin debate when you factor in the presence of prince andrew. he's a big embarrassment to the royal family. -- the way meghan markle and prince harry is beginning to be right about by the british establishment. interesting to see how that all works out. amy: just to be clear, meghan markle, who leveled charges of

racism against the royal family, and prince andrew, who paid out multimillion dollar settlement in sexual sault case involving himself related to jeffrey epstein. >> should be remembered prince andrew dsn't really have money of his own, it was paid by the royal estate, by his mother. it took someone to pay o to get him off the hoo -- topend witheffreypstein and sorted episodes. 12 million pounds british taxpayers money was paid to get prce andrew off the hook. coulsee when prince andrew appes and is uniform dripping with metals and -- en he pears in wtminster abbey, i think it will tinge the majesty

of the event, the majesty of the royal funeral. people shouting at prince andrew [indiscnible] that is ing to be interesting. the queen stood by andrew and all that, but iis a b early -- it is going to be one to watch. amy: speaking of money, the future king prince william, if there is one, has just inherited a billion dollars state, and property covering 100,000 acres, most of it in southwest england.

i want to ask yo about 1972, about bloody sunday. for people to understand the relationship between britain and nohern ireland, you were ther >> ias there. amy: explainhat happened >> it was a civil rightsarch january 30, 1972. ,000 people marching against -- it was a civil rights march. it was not a republican march. at the end of the march, where i am now working class overwhelmingly with the march -- [indiscernible] we hear the clack clack of rifles.

i remember well that happening. taking a few seconds to realize what was happening, but the british were shooting at us. [indiscernible] had come in behind the march. a public meeting -- 13 people killed, others wounded. was the prince of wales, the commander-in-chief of that regimen. king charles yesterday -- contradiction of the monarchy of the troops [indiscernible]

a dramatic change -- [indiscernible] just 10 years ago -- stop me if i'm going on too long. just 10 years ago, queen mother -- queen elizabeth ii, the leader of -- the expressondolences [indiscernible]

doing what sinn fein has done the last few days. complicated for several reasons, if you want me to go into it, historical reasons. no time in history of northern ireland has the majority of the catholic nationalist people in northern ireland ever supported the republican party struggle. [indiscernible] a lot of people stood by them because they were nationalist.

[indiscernible] deep in mind this isn't such -- and in terms of abandoning the armed struggle and so forth, to an objective observer, this has been in the making beginning to happen over a long number of years. this has been the culmination of it. this has been a ceremonial confirmation of that relationship between the leadership of sinnein and the british establishment generally. juan: eamonn mccann, in terms of the evolution of the movement to freeorthern ireland, to reunite with ireland, what do you see as the prospects now,

especially now with the changes in the monarchy, with the brexit vote that has made more fficulties with thenited kingdom in northern ireland being within the unite kingdom -- what are the prospects that you see for the nor reuning with therish republic? >> well, i don't know much more thannybody else. theris a great confidence among nationalism repubc readers and northern ireland that we are now movingoward united irelandnd redrawingf all constutional boundaries the island oireland. i don't believe is going to be that smooth at al irish look at history, a very long history going back hureds of years. nationalistolitician talking a

few month ago, 70ing the trouble responding and he set it started when cromwell landed. [indiscernle] the ea of using as struggle, using violence -- that inot going to happen. people realize that was never possible. what has happened in the last couple of days is confirmation. formalization. we will have to see what happens. one thing to keep in mind --

the people in england, scotland, and wells, including the political leaders of britain, including the conservative party, very right-wing, they do not regard -- [indiscernible] whether they're going to weak or soften their attitudes remains to be seen. let's wait and see. y: eamonn mccann, thank you for being with us, journalist, activist in derry, northern ireland. eamonn is a former member of the northern ireland assembly. also took part in the march on bloody sunday in 1972 and helped form the bloody sunday trust. author of the recently republished book "war and an irish town." next up, "the storm is here."

we will speak with luke mogelson . afghanistan could syria, and erect by talking about the war at home as he writes about right-wing extremism in the 2020 elections. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. we spend the rest of the hour with luke mogelson, "the new yorker's" award-winning war correspondent who covered the wars in afghanistan, syria, and iraq before he returned to the united states in 2020 to write about right-wing extremism. he was there on january 6. he is the one who filmed footage that later went viral, showing trump supporters forcing their way into the senate chamber.

amy: before luke mogelson went to washington, d.c., on january 6, 2021, he had already been following some of the proud boys, oath keepers, three percenters who were there that day. he started his reporting in michigan on militant right-wing anti-mask militias. he lays out what he found in his new book, just published this week, titled "the storm is here: an american crucible." previously, luke was based in kabul as a contributing writer for "the new york times magazine." he has won two national magazine awards and two george polk awards. luke mogelson, welcome back to democracy now! let's begin in michigan. talk about the protest on april 30, 2020, in the michigan capitol right at the beginning of the pandemic. what happened?

and why do you feel, here you have covered wars abroad for many years, it is critical to start here in understanding what is happening in this country now? >> thank you so much for having me. apple 2020, i had just returned to paris where i was living at the time from an assignment in syria where i had been reporting on the destruction of the city of russia, subsequent -- raqqa, subsequent to the american bombardment. that level of destruction was really shocking to me, even in the context of other american incentives i had reported on. just over the years, it had always been this kind of troubling disconnect between the

violence that i witnessed repeatedly perpetrated by the united states and other countries and the relative peace and prosperity back home domestically, where most of the country seemed to be entirely insulated from any kind of consequences or ramifications from what was really unprecedented modern destruction of other societies and communities. so when i saw militarized groups occupying an american statehouse with automatic rifles and flak jackets and accosting lawmakers,

that seemed to be perhaps an echo of some of the tendencies in our country that i have been reporting on a broad. i wanted to see what that was about, so i went to michigan in early may. juan: luke, it is interesting that you made that decision back at that period of time. i recall on the show on democracy now! in a conversation with amy, i was also struck at the time by these armed protests there anti-covid protests. i said back then, i saw trump really praising these folks as wonderful americans. i said at the time, i think it was able 21st, "i don't think we should discount the possibility that this president will declare an election that he loses as a broad and legitimate and attempt

to stay in power." some people may say this is far-fetched. i hope it is, but i think we shouldn't delude ourselves, living an extra narrow times in the united states. because those are protests were indication to me that something major was happening in this country. i am wondering come as you begin to cover the folks in these protests, what you came away from him michigan pennsylvania as to what was telling folks to resort to arms in protest against the government. >> i don't know if i anticipated this evolving to what it eventually became at that point, but i was surprised when i arrived in michigan by just the frequency, the level of outrage already -- remember, this is

before george floyd was killed, before the election, before even really the campaign and already you had large groups of people up in arms over these public health policies. and you also had mainstream republicans on the national level and also the state level embracing and endorsing their outrage and telling them they were justified and right to be -- to feel that they were victims of an egregious persecution and oppression. after that initial rally at the michigan state capitol in

lansing, the state senate leader, a republican, relatively mainstream, he condemned both the michigan liberty galicia and the american patriot counsel who organized the occupation of the capitol and called them a bunch of jackasses and disavow their use of violence and the threat of violence to intimidate lawmakers. well, a couple of weeks later, he seemed to realize which way the wind was blowing and actually appeared with those exact same groups on stage at a rally in grand rapids and told them, "we need you now more than ever." i was there for that and just kind of stunned by the 180 degree reversal that this senator was willing to publicly

make. and some of those people that he appeared with onstage, by the way, ended up in the mob that stormed the u.s. capitol on january 6. amy: i want to go to that moment, to turn to your harrowing footage of the b insurrection that "the new yorker" published showing how a violent mob broke through police lines, pounded on locked doors of the capitol shouting "treason!" and breached the senate chambers looking for lawmakers to confront. we see a group of white men rifling through senate papers, then president trump and efforts by republican senators josh hawley and ted cruz to overturn the electoral college vote, pose for selfies, and stand on the senate dais for a prayer led by qanon conspiracy theorist jacob chansley. this is an extended excerpt from the video filmed by you luke mogelson on january 6.

amy: we are going to leave it here. talking about cnn. before that, you see the qanon theorist jacob chansley take off his horns on the dais to lead prayer. i was wondering if you could

talk, luke mogelson, about how you are accepted by them to film and in the midst of them? did you climb to the window to get there? then talk about them praying, not to mention attacking, everything they saw? >> as far as how i was able to record that video, it was surprisingly easy, actually, just because so many of the rioters themselves were taking selfies and filming. there was a real performative quality to the attempted insurrection in which i really had the sense that they were enacting a kind of demonstration of dominance over their adversary for one another and

for themselves. and this is something that you see in all kinds of mob violence throughout history. i think that was most kind of vividly on display inside the senate chamber with jacob chansley, as you mentioned, taking off his horns and standing at the dais and leading everybody in prayer. he was clearly hamming it up. even when he saw me filming with my phone, at one point was directing some of his -- toward me and the camera. he also handed his phone to another rioter and asked them to take pictures of him flexing his

bicep while sitting in the president's chair. they weren't by any means reluctant to be filmed. on the contrary, they were eager to have their actions -- which they legitimately believed were righteous -- documented, both for themselves and for other americans who shared their worldviews. and as far as your question about the prayer -- aspect of the violence, that also was quite striking to me. inside the senate chambers, at one point after thanking god and jesus for allowing them to achieve this victory, one of the

rioters yelled out "this is how trump gets elected." i think again, some of them really believed that. on january 5, the day before the riot, there had been speeches on freedom plaza and roger stone had told a lot of the trump supporters to come to d.c. and who would the next day storm the capitol that this was nothing less than a battle between light and dark, the godly and the godless. and i do believe that is how many of the participants in the insurrection viewed their actions, not as a political act but as something taking place in a more timeless kind of cosmic,

spiritual framework. juan: luke, will have about a minute left but i wanted to ask if you could go ba before january 6. in your book you talk about the protest november 27 november 7 at the pennsylvania state capital in harrisburg when he first began to realize there could be violence. this was the stop the steal rally that occurred. i'm wondering if you could talk about that and the fervor that drove some of these folks around the issue, the bogus issue the election was stolen? >> absolutely. that was the day that all of the national networks called the election for biden. you had a large gathering of trump supporters, many of them belonging to the pose of enya 3% or militia, heavily armed at the

capitol in harrisburg. the moment the election was called, they were already calling for violence and not just them, by the way, but elected officials as well. congressman were there also other trump campaign surrogates were there. there was just no question they were going to accept the results of the elections. it wasn't just november 7. went back to previous rallies, even before all of the results had come in in various swing states, which i witnessed, for example, in detroit on election day. there was a mob at the convention center. amy: 10 seconds. >> january 6 was not a surprise. it was foretold. amy: mastery otto is running for governor of pennsylvania right now. the republican candidate. luke

mogelson, "the new yorker's" award-winning war correspondent whose new book out this week is titled "the storm is here: an american crucible." and that does it for our show. [captioning made possible by democracy now!] kkkkkkkkc

>> hello and welcome to nhk newsline. thousands of people have lined the streets of london waiting in silence. they heard the quiet folk the boom of cannons . they bring the coffin of queen elizabeth to the home