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the military intensifies the fight. this is inside story. welcome to the program. at least 60 people have been killed in a myanmar air ride. i airstrikes targeted gatherings. a spokesman said 500 people were attending a concert when the

attack happened. it was on of the biggest rights since last year. it was called an indiscriminate attack. his spokesperson said injured people became trapped. >> we need to see the un security council step up and pass this resolution. at the very least, refer to the international criminal court. just to be able to do that is like jumping through hoops. it's very evident war crimes are happening, crimes against humanity are happening. people are being blown up. >> myanmar has suffered decades of conflict. 21 ethnic arm groups have been

fighting military for years. these talks have taken place since 2011, but not all groups have been involved. some rebel armies announced they have joined together. let's bringing our guests. in london, the executive director of a human rights network. a postdoctoral researcher. her work focuses on authority and after national conflict in myanmar. also in london, the director of the myanmar account bloody project. warm welcome to all of you. let's start.

60 killed including civilians. why did the military target this concert? what has been the response? >> if i go back, it's not the first time they have targeted civilians. the military has been using two types of airstrikes. more than 200 times, across a couple of years, states are heavily fighting and civilian targets have been bombarded. try all of the villages, killing

civilians. i have a report from the ground. all of the villages. it's a systematic crime against humanity. >> why is the military targeting these civilian points? >> it's a sign of desperation. the military is using its most brutal tactics against the resistance,, where the resistance is strong. it shows desperation they do not have control and they are going to the darkest measures to inflict violence against the community.

>> is it making people cower or boosting the resistance? >> the only answer is going to be some kind of resistance. 100,000 people have been displaced by fighting in one state. 1.3 million people according to estimates are internally displaced. on the strategic front, once we

are seeing is the dramatic fragmentation of this conflict. not only is the army fighting ethnic armed groups, they are also trying to control the civil disobedience movements becoming increasingly violent. we're seeing the people's defense forces, mounting a brave guerrilla tactics, ambitious. we are not seeing them brought under any unified central command. there is increasing anarchy. the army has lost control.

it's buried in porton. >> they may not be under central command's, but to what extent are they being allied with ethnic armed groups? >> before the revolution, david fighting against the military. if you look now, the main area, two locations have a shortage of manpower. they are using more airpower.

two days ago, they joined for an offensive launch in a city. during that fight, the strategy was a hit-and-run. the response from the military was airpower excessively. instead of sending ground troops. they are saving the airpower to defend major cities because the shortage of manpower is very clear. they are using the airpower.

if you look at the ethnic groups , they are receiving airstrikes everyday, their heavy casualties. that is a big issue. there is a huge lack of political will to stop killing civilians. >> when we look at the growing intensity --

>> the significance of civil war is that the army is one faction in the civil war, is not the government. the coup has failed. to add, aerial environments, a collective punishment for which there must be accountability, we are also seeing use of mass arson attacks. it's actually burning down huge areas according to the latest u.n. report.

these are delivered attacks. that has had huge impact. anarchy, there is a civil war. it's no longer a central government fighting against the pesky armed groups. that is not the paradigm. the groups of other allies including the majority of people of myanmar. it's a situation where the army has lost control. these tactics, massacres, mass bombings. they are systematic of the fact the army has lost control.

the model the international community is adopting is simply out of date. the humanitarian response is not keeping pace with reality. >> the malaysian foreign minister said that plan is out of date and they will be meeting in indonesia on thursday. just before we get onto that, justine, against this backdrop of anarchy and violence and huge attacks with fragmentation, where does the senior general's peace plan fit? in may, he held face-to-face peace talks with 10 ethnic

groups. was there any headway made? >> it's important not to categorize all ethnic groups in the same light. a lot of groups that did participate are quite small. the current national union and army are not engaged in peace talks. it's no longer feasible because those ethnic organizations signed with them, government and not the military.

organizations are using an approach where they are offering various contracts, mounting confessions. they are trying to do that again. it's not working for the majority of organizations for backing the resistance. what makes it so revolutionary as the ideas coming out and reason so many powerful ethnic resistance organizations are backing the resolution is because there is this process to try and create a federal democracy which is part of key

demands for more than 70 years. >> the national unity government is not straightforward either. they certainly did not have a better time. copies ethnic groups got in the political process? >> i don't think it's the view of the ethnic minorities. you can see where policy is made

. her muslim groups who are not allowed to join. it is monopolized by former members. it is not the time. we have to focus on the revolution. at the same time, make sure we do not repeat the same mistake in the international community should not repeat the same mistake. the important point here is be pragmatic, realistic. any future should be all-inclusive. we need to involve all of the ethnic leaders.

we need to be very clear. international communities, there is no case they can protect us from air raids. civilians are victim of airstrikes. we need protection. international community needs to do something. they are shaking hands with the military. it's not the time to giving the military -- these are criminals.

they should not be at the table. >> how common do find these instances, and how can victims find justice? >> interesting and important question. it's very easy, as happened with ukraine by the way. international criminal court could make a referral. his military thugs would accept

the jurisdiction of the court that has been commissioned. some of the most respected productions -- credentialed people on the planet said the court could intervene, all it takes is parties to refer the case. we have also got cases around the world. the court could allow cases to be brought there because that is very interesting. universal jurisdiction cases among member states, jurisdictions of nations, those are possible. we need to have a referral

in-state parties. let's care about what happening. it's terrible. international crimes are being committed. they can be referred to the hague, and we urge those referrals. where is britain? doesn't have to go that route. a direct referral could be made. we want to see more and more universal cases. >> we want to see and ethnic -- international community that reflects these ethnic divergence. do you find the burma majority people have empathy? is this a real turning point for me and mark? -- myanmar? >> there is a lot of reason to

not have hope, and there is a lot of division. these grievances are not going to go away. friends and activists with a recognition of violence by ethnic communities for decades. there is a collective recognition at the military has lied to people and for many years and propping themselves up as the so-called father of the nation. there are increasingly people coming out and apologizing for not recognizing those experiences against communities like the rohingya. more broadly, all over the country.

the fact that there are these processes taking place, even other is division, of course these things don't change overnight. it is so incredible you have these people coming together. >> we have a meeting of southeastern asian asians on thursday.

>> it's a revolution. accountability is to not respond to this crisis. the important thing is is we need to save lives. we need to take the pragmatic action. i'm not suggesting to spread the fighting, how we're going to stop murderers from butchering civilians everyday. there must be some solution. we never go to the international community. we are doing every country, take the role to protect civilians. why people of burma deserve to be protected. that is an important point.

coming to us young, they are divided. very strong countries. they cannot delivered -- deliver five points. the need to take some serious action. there is a serious problem. >> let's hope they're listening. thank you very much. thank you for watching. you can see the program anytime by visiting our website. go to our facebook page. during the conversation on twitter. -- join the conversation on twitter. goodbye for now.

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