10/31/22 10/31/22 [captioning made possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> with the help of the peopl we will find a way out for this country to return to being democratic, peaceful, for us to support parents, families, to build a world that brazil needs. amy: in a remarkable political comeback, luiz inacio lula da silva has been elected the new

president of brazil, defeating jair bolsonaro. but bolsonaro has not yet conceded the race. we will go to sao paolo for the latest. we will look at lula's return to the presidency. then police in california have arrested a man for breaking enter house speaker nancy pelosi's home and assaulting her 82-year-old husband with a hammer. the man reportedly yelled, "where's nancy? where's nancy?" we will speak to democrac congressmember ro khanna of california as president biden links the attack on pelosi house to election conspiracy theories spread by republicans. pres. biden: it is one thing to condemn the violence but you c't condemn the violence unless you condemn those people who continue to argue the election was not real, that it is being stolen, that all the malarkey out there to undermine democracy. amy: we will also speak with congressmember khanna about the

war in ukraine and u.s.-saudi relations. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. brazilians have narrowly elected luiz inacio lula da silva as their new president, marking a stunning comeback for the 77-year-old former union leader who will replace the far-right president jair bolsonaro. lula will return to the presidency after spending time in prison on corruption charges that were later thrown out. lula spoke sunday evening. >>he majority of brazilians made it very clear that they want more and not less democracy , that they want more and not less social inclusion. that they want more and not less opportunity for all, they want more and not less respect and understanding among brazilians.

to summarize, they want more freedom, equality, fraternity in our country. amy: president bolsonaro has yet to concede or make any public remarks. in the lead-up to the vote, bolsonaro and his allies sowed doubabout the election system, suggesting he may not accept a loss. supporters of bolsonaro have acknowledged lula's win. bolsonaro led a disastrous response to the covid pandemic, attacked the media and his critics, and hastened the destruction of the amazon. we'll have more on the brazilian election after headlines. south koreans are observing a week-long national mourning period following saturday night's crowd crush in seoul that killed 154 people. the majority of the victims were young women. the crowd surge happened during halloween festivities in a narrow alleyway in the popular itaewon neighborhood, known for its nightlife. this is an eye-witness describing the chaotic scene. >> we came here around 10:00

p.m. and then saw a scene from a movie in front of the hotel over there, like things happening during the war. there were doing cpr and people were rushing. nothing was being controlled. it was completely out of control. amy: despite the throngs of revelers, many noted there was little security or crowd control overseeing the festivities and laid blame on the government for failing to prevent such a tragedy. according to local reports, there were as many as 100,000 partygoers on saturday evening. i authorities are investigating the events and south korean president yoon suk-yeol ordered the government to review on-site safety measures. in ukraine, russia launched a barrage of missile strikes aimed at critical infrastructure including in kyiv and other major cities. residents reported power outages all the mayor of kyiv said 80% of the residents have lost their water supply on saturday, moscow withdrew from a deal that allowed the export of grain from ukrainian ports after accusing ukraine of attacking its black sea fleet with drones.

the u.n. warned the move could further compound global hunger and food prices. president volodymyr zelenskyy called on international actors to hold russia accountable for ending the agreement. >> how can russia be among others in the g20 if he deliberately works to create a famine on several continents? this is nonsense. russia has no place in the g20 amy: despite russia's withdrawal from the deal, 12 grain ships departed ukrainian ports earlier today. the u.n., ukraine, and turkey said they would continue with the shipments. one of those shipments is going to ethiopia. in somalia, a pair of car bombs exploded at a busy mogadishu intersection, killing at least 100 people and injuring 300. the twin blasts targeted the education ministry and leveled buildings, sending plumes of smoke and dust into e air. al-shabab, which is linked to al-qaida, has claimed responsibility for the attack. one of those killed was somali

journalist mohamed isse hassan, who worked for m24 tv. this is a survivor of the attack. >> there were four of us in the shop and one was seriously bleeding and injured. i was also bleeding. it was dark and there was black smoke everywhere. i managed to come out of the shop and help. i saw lot of bodies. some motive people crying. amy: in india, at least 141 ople were killed after a bridge collapsed in the western state of gujarat sunday. the 19th-century bridge gave way under the weight of pedestrians, plunging hundreds of people into the machchu river below. the colonial-era bridge had been open to the public for just four days after undergoing repairs by a private company. back in the united states, nancy pelosi's husband paul pelosi is expected to make a full recovery after being attacked with a hammer by an intruder in the family's san francisco home early friday.

the assailant reportedly shouted "where is nancy, where is nanc" the house speakewas in washington at the time. police have arrested suspect david depape. the 42-year-old white man has an online history of far-right conspiracies, anti-semitism, and hate. on saturday, nancy pelosi spoke out about the attack in a letter to her fellow congressmembers, saying she and her family are "heartbroken and traumatized." some democrats have called out republicans for their silence and for enabling the rise of political violence in recent years. congressmember ilhan omar tweeted -- "a far right white nationalist tried to assassinate the speaker of the house and almost killed her husband a year after violent insurrectionists tried to find her and kill her in the capitol, and the republican party's response is to either ignore it or belittle it." meanwhile, twitter's new owner elon musk tweeted a link to an article with a right-wing

conspiracy theory about the attack from a site known for spreading misinformation. the site, the santa monica observer, previously said hillary clinton died on september 11, 2001 and was replaced by a body double. musk posted the article in response to a tweet by hillary clinton but deleted it hours later. here in new york city, climate and housing activists shut down park avenue for the fifth straight day saturday, the 10th anniversary of hurricane sandy, to demand banks and major corporations stop funding fossil fuels and that governor hochul tax new york's wealthy to enact a green new deal. dozens of activists were arrested over the past week during actions at jpmorgan chase, blackrock, and in front of blackrock ceo stephen schwartzman's apartment building. the protests were organized by extinction rebellion, new york communities for change, sunrise nyc, and other groups.

in iran, protesters have defied threats from the revolutionary guard as they continue to take to the streets. on sunday, security forces unleashed tear gas and gunfire on students at universities across the nation. the ongoing demonstrations come after the head of the revolutionary guard hossein salami issued a stern warning over the weekend. >> set-aside -- today's the last day of the riots. do not come to the streets anymore. amy: this comes as a new report by the intercept reveals an iranian government program that allows for the monitoring and manipulation of protesters' cell phones. meanwhile, over 300 iranian journalists signed a statement demanding the release of two journalists who are reportedly being held at the notorious evin prison. niloofar hamedi and elahe

mohammadi are credited with breaking the story of mahsa amini's death and covering her funeral. iran has accused them of being cia agents. in pakistan, a journalist was crushed to death by a vehicle in the convoy of former prime minister imran khan. sadaf naeem fell from a truck that was carrying khan as she tried to reach him for a question. the truck then ran her over. imran khan, who was ousted by parliament in april, is making a high profile journey from lahore to islamabad to call on the government to hold a snap election. in haiti, witnesses say journalist romelo vilsaint was killed by police fire sunday after reporters gathered at a police station to demand the release of one of their detained colleagues. last week, haiti's largest newspaper le nouvelliste said it was suspending publication of its print edition due to serious security problems affecting production and distribution.

last week the paper's reporter survived a shooting attack. lebanon's political crisis deepened this weekend after michel aoun vacated the presidential palace sunday, with no successor in place, and a crumbling economy. lebanon is now ruled by a caretaker cabinet and prime minister-designate who has failed to form a government over the past six months. this comes as the country has been reeling from the deadly 2020 blast at the beirut port and 2019's financial meltdown, which pushed over 80% of the population into poverty and prompted mass anti-government protests. as one of his final acts in office, michel aoun signed on thursday a u.s.-brokered maritime border deal with israel. in china, workers have fled a foxconn factory that assembles iphones amid fears lockdowns and other restrictions in zhengzhou following a covid outbreak.

online video shows workers jumping a fence outside the foxconn factory and making their way down highways on foot. china has instituted a strict zero-covid policy during the pandemic, locking down major cities, with migrant workers often getting stuck far from their homes. hundreds of thousands of workers work at the foxconn plant. in the democratic republic of congo, 11 people were killed in a stampede at a concert by musician fally ipupa in a kinshasa stadium. the interior minister blamed the organizers for the deaths, saying the massive stadium was packed beyond capacity. back in the united states, new york city will pay $26 million to settle lawsuits on behalf of two men who were exonerated in the 1965 assassination of malcolm x. last year, a judge tossed out convictions against muhammad aziz and khalil islam after finding serious miscarriages of justice. an investigation by the

manhattan d.a.'s office and the innocence project found that prosecutors, the fbi, and the new york police department omitted key evidence around the murder. khalil islam died in 2009 but his family filed the suit on his behalf. aziz spent two decades in prison before being released on parole. the state of new york will also pay a settment of 0 million. ilyasah shabazz, one of malcolm x's daughters, spoke to democracy now! earlier this year. >> we want to know who killed our father and we want to make sure that it is properly recorded in history. and the oldest prisoner held at guantanamo bay has been released after nearly two decades. 75-year-old saifullah paracha returned to his family in pakistan on he was never charged saturday. with a crime. paracha's former lawyer shelby sullivan-bennis said her client was beloved by fellow prisoners

and guards and became the "uncle of guantánamo." there are 35 prisoners still languishing at guantanamo bay. 20 of those are eligible for transfer and three are eligible for review. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. coming up, a remarkable political comeback. former president luiz inacio lula da silva has been reelected president of brazil, defeating the far right president jair bolsonaro. we will go to brazil for the latest. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: "minha voz, minha vida," or "my voice, my life" by caetano veloso. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. we begin today's show in brazil where luiz inacio lula da silva has defeated brazil's far-right president jair bolsonaro, capping a remarkable political comeback for the former union leader and president. according to official results,

lula won received 50.9% of the vote to bolsonaro 49.1%. lula received more than 60 million votes, the most in brazilian history. bolsonaro has yet to concede, sparking fears he may challenge the results. several supporters have acknowledged lula's victory. lula, who heads the workers party, served as brazil's president from 2003 to 2010. during his time in office, he helped lift tens of millions of brazilians out of poverty. but in 2018 as he prepared to run for office again, he was jailed on trumped-up corruption charges, paving the way for the election of bolsonaro. on sunday night, lula addressed supporters in sao paolo. >> i consider myself to be a candidate that has a process of

reconstruction in brazilian politics. because they tried to bury me alive. i am here and i'm here to govern the country. with the help of the people, we will find a way out for this country to return to being democratic, peaceful, for us to support parents, families, to build the world brazil needs. this is not my victory nor of the workers party more of the parties that supported me in the campaign. it is a victory of immense democratic movement that was more than a political parties, individual interests, ideologies. on this historic october 30, the majority of resilience made it clear they want more and not less democracy, th what re and not less social inclusion, they what more and not less opportunity for all. they want more and not less respect and understanding among brazilians. to summarize, they what more

freedom, equality, fraternity in our country. amy: we go now to brazil where we are joined by two guests. michael fox is a freelance journalist, former editor of nacla, and host of the new podcast "brazil on fire." the podcast is a joint project of nacla and the real news network. sabrina fernandes is a brazilian sociologist, activist, and post-doctoral fellow at rosa-luxemburg-stiftung. we welcome you both to democracy now! sabrina, can you talk about the significance of this lula victory with a record 60 million votes, the most in history? >> hi, amy. it is good to be here to share this good news that lula is back in the presidency of brazil. it was a really tough second round. fake news coming from the bolsonaro government. the fact that lula made his comeback, he was in jail before, wrongly persecuted.

the judge ended up being the minister in saudi. it means ever since everything was against lula, there were a lot of people in the streets, people making sure we were fighting the narrative and that we were trying to rescue something that is really important brazil. a little bit of democratic normality in that country. the last four years were very tough, not just because of the way bolsonaro handled the pandemic, but also in the sense that hunger is up, the economy is going quite badly right now. a lot of people are hoping we can go back to something that lula appealed to many times in the election. amy: the bolsonaro campaign try to smear lula as a dangerous formerly incarcerated person.

they called him a communist. he was still elected to a third term. he has served two terms before bolsonaro. can you talk about his history, who this new president, the former president lula is, and what this means not only for brazil but for latin america and the world? >> i don't say this lightly, lula is probably the most skilled politician we have in brazil today, both and right. lula came up as a union leader, was an important either fighting for democracy in brazil when we were under the dictatorship as well. he was also part of that she had the past of helping to build the new democratic constitution stuck we ran for president many times before he actually got elected. and he did get elected, he served -- sick mandate had high

popularity. [inaudible] he had a very important job expanding access to public education -- communities to get access to university for the first time because of structural racism in the country. lula is very well known for being a very respected leader in the country, not just latin america. a lot of the leaders around the world have already congratulated lula for the victory. lula is well known for fighting hunger in this country. because we are under a very complicated state of food insecurity in brazil right now, we have very high hopes he will be able to bring some of those policies that worked in the past back again once he is in power

in january. amy: let's go back to luiz inacio lula da silva speaking last night. >> [indiscernible] amy: let's talk about whether bolsonaro will concede. he has not commented yet though number of his supporters have actually congratulated lula on his win. michael fox, can you talk about what is happening? there is also protests. >> is very good news and number of supporters have come out and congratulated lula. they respect democra and understand the result of the elections. it is concerning bolsonaro has not said anything yet. this is the longest a brazilian president who has been defeated or resilient candidate has been defeated taken to recognize the results of the elections.

that is disturbing. we don't know exactly what he is going to say. we do know he is in brasília and people, his staunch allies have been arriving. one of his sons arrived. other close allies. there are protest happening around the country. we saw this last night on social media. this is also concerning. this is largely pertaining to truck drivers of people shutting down roads. still this morning we have five different states where roads have been shut down om bolsonaro's supporters who say they're not leaving until the military intervenes. there was a huge truck driving strike back in 2018. the truckers are often very much aligned with the far right. even back then i was in the streets and interviewing truckers at that time and they were calling for military to revenge and even at that time. of course we don't know what is going to happen. it is unlikely they have sport to be able to sustain themselves for long.

they do say they're organizing around the country. many of the trucking companies are often time their own truckers and paying them to stay in the streets and be organized. so this type of destabilition measure is something we will see what it looks like in the coming days. we really don't have a good handle on how intense this is and how widespread and how long it is going to last. amy: many environmentalists in brazil that it is critical for lula to win. this is the executive secretary of the brazilian climate observatory. >> what brazilia do now at the polls is much more than the change of president. these are fundamental choices for our country, choices for the future. choose whether we stay with democracy or not. we will have to choose whether we keep the amazon alive or keep bolsonaro. it is a choice between the two. it will not be possible to have

both at the same time. amy: sabrina fernandes, if you can talk about bolsonaro's record and the workers party and what you expect from them. >> bolsonaro section positioned himself in terms of isolation when it comes to climate change and the environmental trouble around the world. he played along with trump wh climate to nihilism but also trying to remain certain measures in brazil around indigenous territory and downplaying the role of the amazon in terms of -- the woers party on the other hand tends to have more of a developist approach. there is a lot of -- we have made progress before. during lula's first term is when

we saw the most decrease in deforestation rates and with bolsonaro, the highest. lula is very much to reducing -- and the amazon to the lowest levels possible. [indiscernible] also a change in the planet. the workers party is well known for working with other democratic forces. it was a party thrown out from government during a coup those orchestrated with the help of the vice presidential [indiscernible] lula, could tl from the speech he made yesterday come his victory speech, willing to work with other forces to make sure

-- will be able to execute some of these things that were part of the program. amy: what about the parliament? what about rather the legislature, the brazilian congress, the chamber of deputies of the senate remaining very right-wing? talk about who also are the other leftist parties and how much party ty -- power they have and what lula will be able to accomplish. >> it is important to trust the party with the most seats in congress right n ibolsonaro 's party. the other party with the second-highest amount of seats is also associated with the far right and also part of bolsonaro . but the workers party has also made progress. we saw [indiscernible]

lula never covered before at the worker -- actually the workers party never governed before with the cumbers aligned with them. they always had to deal with opposition in congress. we do know the stakes are higher now. [indiscernible] seated that lula has won and that a lot of effort to campaign -- acknowledging this is important. a different round now once we get into the new government in

2023, which is around lula having to negotiate post of one of the reasons why lula has [indiscernible] amy: michael fox, can you talk about the relationship between bolsonaro and the supreme court of brazil and how this could impact even the selection? the final confirmation of the results will be something like december 19 and then lula will assume the presidency in the beginning of january. >> right. the relationship between bolsonaro and the supreme court has been and battled his entire government. remember that bolsonaro's entire time in congress, he has been attacking congress and the supreme court. he sees the supreme court as

completely antagonistic to his government. has been the main institution in brazil pushing back on bolsonaro and they have done it so many times. the whole fake news investigation, investigation into bolsonaro's hate group that was pushing up hate and fake news on social media. they have been able to push that back. they have been investigating the businessmen who are funding that same group that would help to spur things out over social media. it is this consistent attack for pushback on bolsonaro. one of the members of the supreme court is currently the head of the electoral -- he has been pushing back on fake news throughout this electoral campaign and was very harsh on bolsonaro campaign just about a week ago he changed the measures in order to say the news -- any type of fake news or

disinformation had to be taken down within two hours from when they said so and actually blocked conservatives outlets from being able to use the term "thief" in order to describe lula around the election. that type of thing has been really intense. that is the main group that certify the elections. this is the very group that bolsonaro is most up against. that is pushing this election at loggerheads at this point and that is part of the tension we are staying at the moment. amy: in 2018, democracy now! spoke with lula when he was running for president. at the time, he was facing a possible prison term and what many believed to be trumped up corruption charges tied to a sprawling probe known as "operation car wash." >> i was not accused of corruption. i was accused because of a lie in a police investigation, a lie

in an indictment by the office of the attorney general, and in the judgment of judge moro, because there is only one evidence of my innocence in this entire trial, which my defense counsel explained in a magisterial manner. amy: lula served more than 580 days in prison before the charges were thrown out. he mentions judge moro, who just became a new brazilian senator, was just elected in the first round. michael fox, the significance of this? >> of course, look, judge moro waclearly biased. we found out from the intercept leaks that showed exactly what was happening on the inside, prosecutors working together with supposedly independent

judge, judge moro, in order to attack the workers party and convict lula. remember, judge moro after lula was jailed, he went on to become bolsonaro's justice minister. what was fascinating, just this year with the campaign, we have seen -- of course he left bolsonaro's cabinet in 2020 but they come together around the same time and what was fastening, you saw moro coaching him during the debate, standing next to him during the debate. this travesty of this very men that put lula in jail then became justice minister and now elected senator. so very profound. amy: i want to go back to the issue of climate. democracy now! we'll be in egypt covering the cop 27, the u.n. climate summit.

you wrote a piece for the sierra club where you talked about the indigenous saying they are under attack. if you can talk about what you wrote, there story being repeated across the amazon, deforestation come amazon at a 16 year high? >> amy, look. when we visited them just three weeks ago as we were driving into the territory, we were passing areas where trees have already been deforested. there are literally burning on the ground. we went to other places in their territory to understand the reality. it is still burning. the flames are still there. the smoke is rising days later. while we were on their territory and on our way out, we passed four motorcycles from land invaders they are surveying the land. one of the areas come put up a post that said "parcel." like they are parceling off their land with absolute

disregard. one of the tribes, one of the 10 top tribes that most had their land to forested -- this has been that reality under bolsonaro because he gutted the environment agency, cut funds and ocked those agencies from being able to protect the amazon, protect the forest, and protect indigenous communities. 50% in the last four years has been on protected land. conservation areas. this is just one example that is been completely and battled. the way they feel in their community is they are completel surrounded and they could go out anytime and those land invaders could be there. will we passed the motorcycles along that road, we stopped quickly and we took two or three cell phone pictures and kept going because there was concerns if you run into these land invaders, they're usually armed and you never know what can happen. the possibility to have a lula

government back -- remind you, lula has now brought in his former minister of the environment who split from the pt years ago and ran for the presiden in 2014. she is now back in alignment with lula. i spoke with her few weeks ago and she said she has already handed a dossier to lula about how to get deforestation to zero and is excited to work with him going forward. this is why the amazon was so important in this selection and why it is so important for international people to understand what the realities are on the ground. amy: sabrina fernandes, voting is mandatory in brazil. you look at brazil compared to the united states where so much percentagewise, so many fewer people vote in the united states. can yotalk about the efforts to make public transit free on election day and how this helped

voter turnout? >> this is a big contradiction. such a large country. for people to vote to pinning on where you are, you have to travel many kilometers to find a valid box. -- ballot box. we had massive campaigns coming from civil society to make sure many would have transit during the electoral days. we did manage to get this nationwide. bolsonaro was supposed to this when it first started coming up. we were quite aware for them getting people, especially people who use public transit who are in the lower working classes, making sure they would get to the polls, bolsonaro was not interested in that at all. civil society prevailed in many parts of the country.

yesterday we had many reports during the day of the federal traffic police blocking roads, checking buses, following buses so people could not get to a polling station. we had over 500 reports of this yesterday, yet the minister of elections thought if there was some level of voter suppression, this was prejudicial to both sides. so to normalize things. yet we know the traffic police actually encouraged people to vote for bolsonaro just a day before and that this operation was orchestrated together with the federal government. so where we have civil society people fighting for the right to vote and to get to the vote, because it is very big

contradiction. you have to make people vote but you don't get the means to vote. civil society fought for that. on the others, you had bolsonaro using the state machinery in every possible way short of putting tanks on the road yesterday to get in the way of people actually voting. amy: and voting takes place on sunday. sabrina fernandes. thank you for being with us, brazilian sociologist and activist. michael fox freelance , journalist host of the new , podcast "brazil on fire." both speaking to us from são paulo, brazil. coming, congressmember ro khanna on nancy pelosi's husband being attacked at home. we will also talk with him about the war in ukraine, a saudi relations, and the midterm elections. stay with us. ♪♪ [music break]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. a california man is facing charges of attempted homicide, burglary, assault with a deadly weapon, and elder abuse after police say he broke into house speaker nancy pelosi's san francisco home early friday morning. police say the man assaulted pelosi's husband with a hammer and fracturing his skull. the assailant, who has been identified as 42-year-old david depape, reportedly yelled "where is nancy, where is nancy?" the house speaker was in washington at the time. according to some press accounts, the assailant had zip ties and duct tape with him at the time of his arrest. police say they are still determining a motive for the

attack on paul pelosi, but numerous outlets report the assailant had posted conspiracy theories online about qanon, the 2020 election, and other issues. the man's former partner described him as mentally ill. in a letter to other lawmakers, house speaker nancy pelosi said she and her family are "heartbroken and traumatized." paul pelosi was hospitalized after the attack and required surgery on his skull. the attack came less than two weeks before the midterm elections, sparking new concerns about political violence. democratic congressmember debbie dingell of michigan warned, "somebody is going to die." president biden addressed the attack on paul pelosi on saturday. pres. biden: i want to make a brief statement about nancy and paul pelosi.

i talked to them and he seems to be doing a lot better. he is going to recover fully. but also, don't know for certain, but looks like this was intended for nancy. kept asking, where is nancy? where is nancy? it is one thing to condemn the violence, but you can't condemn the unless you condemn those people who continue to argue the election was not real, that it is being stolen, that although malarkey out there to undermine decracy. this talk has to stop. that is the problem. that is the problem. you can't just say, i feel badly about the violence, condemn it. condemn what produces the violence. this talk produces the violence. amy: that is president biden. to talk more about the attack on nancy pelosi's husband and other issues, we are joined ro khanna, democratic member of congress from california.

deputy whip of the congressional progressive caucus and a member of the house armed services committee. so let's begin with this attack, congressman. the significance of him saying, where is nancy" is not just asking where she is in the house, but that was the kind of mantra the insurrectionists tore through congress on january 6 as they then also shouted, where is nancy?" the word is now to the san francisco police chief and others that paul pelosi had the wherewithal to hit 911 when the attacker was coming but could not say anything and so the dispatcher just heard the conversation between them and then understood what was going on. if you could talk about this and your concern about this issue of political violence -- it wasn't just congress member

dingell, susan collins also predicted something like this. >> amy, on a personal level, i am heartbroken and second by what happened. i have been to the pelosi's house. for decades, they have opened their home to so many in the community for so many causes. and to see this happen after their dedication for decades to public service just outrageous. the president is right. yes, we have to condemn the violence but we have to go beyond that and see what is causing this radicalization and it is the conspiracy theory and it is the propaganda out there on media and social media platforms. this post is a very difficult challenge for the united states. it is easy to say let's take down speech that is in incitement to violence, that

meets the brandenburg test. the harder issue is, what do you do with speech that is lightly -- conspiratorial that may lead the first amendment test but still is leading to radicalization? we have a responsibility -- social media and media companies as well as elected officials -- to really be having that hard conversation about speech that is leading to radicalization in this country. amy: the republicans who are speaking out, it has been shocking to see the lack of absolute condemnation going right on up to trump. i have not seen during the show if yes tweeted in thing yet directly condemning what took place. but trying to link it to the party that can best deal with crime? >> that is actually not the case. it seems in this case when someone is coming in and yelling "where is nancy?" it was

targeted to the pelosis. we know from the initial reporting the person engaged in many of the worst conspiracy theories, including election denialism. i think what we need to be responding to is the threat of political violence that is being stoked by conspiracy theories and propaganda and hate speech on social media and in our democracy. in the question for elected officials is, how do we town down the temperature? how do we stop resorting to that kind of propaganda? the question for media is, what is the responsibility, social media and television? amy: speaking of social media, elon musk tweeted a link to an article from a right-wing conspiracy website known for spreading misinformation like

hillary clinton in 2016 when she was running against trump was actually dead and that there was a body double that was running in her place. he tweeted conspiracy theory about paul pelosi, posted the article in response to hillary clinton, and then eventually took it down. but he owns twitter. what are your concerns about this major social media platform being owned by elon musk right now? >> i am concerned what rule he is going to have that safeguard democracy and how we're going to do that in a responsible and independent way. to the extent he wants to remove -- can he create an independent entity that makes these decisions? look, i don't love the fact that "the washington post" is owned by jeff bezos but i tell you and i submit an op-ed or when there is an article covering the in "the washington post," i know it

is not jeff bezos making those decisions. they have an independent editorial board and news department, that separation at least needs to exist in twitter. amy: congressmember khanna, i want to ask about the u side with 29 other members of the congressional progressive caucus urging the biden administration to pursue direct negotiations with russia for a cease-fire in ukraine while continuing to arm their ukrainian military. the later -- the letter stated in part, "we urge you to pair the military and economic support united states has provided to ukraine with a proactive diplomatic push, redoubling efforts to seek a realistic framework for a ceasefire. this is consistent with your recognition that 'there's going to have to be a negotiated settlement here,' and your concern that vladimir putin 'doesn't have a way out right now, and i'm trying to figure out what we do about that'." after facing a backlash,

progressive caucus chair pramila jayapal withdrew the letter a day later. do you agree with her decision? do you support the demands of this letter for negotiations? >> i stand by the letter, amy. i think the letter is common sense. it is only in the washington beltway diplomacy is somehow considered a scarlet letter. i have supported ukraine. i will continue to support and stand with ukraine in terms of the aid and military they need to defend their sovereignty. i've been very clear that putin's war is unprovoked. putin has engaged in barbarism. he is striking electricity units across ukraine. he has 300,000 troops and says they can mobilize to 3 million. the risk of nuclear war. this president has said responsibly that while we support ukraine, we need to do everything possible to

de-escalate the conflict to make sure we aren't escalating to nuclear war and to engage in negotiated conversations to prevent nuclear war, accidental war with the russian counterparts. the secretary of defense has done that. this letter simply affirms that while we stand with ukraine, we also have diplomatic channels. i did not see anything, frankly, different than the thoughtful voices that the president has relied on and also things that have been said that frankly president obama in his "god save america" broadcast said. amy: and you have u.s. allies like france, for example, in germany that are continuing to speak with putin all through this. the significance of the u.s. taking a very strong stand on this? your president biden saying he would speak with putin about

brittney griner, that it is important she should be freed. but what about ending this war? >> i think the facts on the ground show courageously ukraine is taking back territory, and we want to stand with them and want to make sure we recognize their courage and what they have done. but the question is, how do we both make sure we don't escalate the conflict and at the right time how do we have a just peace and negotiated settlement that recognizes ukraine territorial sovereignty? that, like most wars, is going to require conversation. we can debate when the appropriate time is and we can make sure that the ukrainians are consulted and nothing is done that they do not want, but it is in the united states interest and the world's interest for the administration

to be engaged in diplomatic conversation with the russians. and that is all the letter said. it was actually affirming in many ways what the president has been doing and pushing back against some of the less prudent voices in the beltway. amy: i wanted to ask about the u.s.-saudi relations. he recently co-authored legislation with richard blumenthal, calling on the u.s. to stop arms transfers to saudi in response to the kingdom's decision to cut 2 million barrels a day of oil production at the opec+ meeting, thereby raising the price of gas to russia's advantage. in a piece for politico co-authored with senator blumenthal, you wrote -- "simply put, america shouldn't be providing such unlimited control of strategic defense systems to an apparent ally of our greatest enemy -- nuclear bomb extortionist vladimir putin." you also tweeted -- "their brutal war in yemen and their fleecing of american consumers at the pump must have consequences."

talk about what you are demanding and how much support you have for this at this point and what is happening in yemen. >> amy, as you know, promised six years in congress, i along with bernie sanders have been working to try to bring the war to yemen to a close, one of the largest humanitarian crises in the world, similar to the barbarism of putin in ukraine. it has not gotten as much attention. we had a cease-fire. now that cease-fire apparently may be falling apart. unfortunately, the united states thanks to our passing of the war powers act, is no longer refueling the saudi planes that were bombing yemen. but we still provide a tremendous amount of defense assistance to saudi arabia. that increased dramatically in the trump administration. we have more joint defense arrangements with saudi than most of our allies. in the saudi planes would not

fly if it were not for u.s. technicians. both of the accounts they have not done enough to lift the blockade, that they still are not abiding by all of the peace agreements to bring the war to an end, and on top of that slopping americans in the face by cutting also applies right when we have a crisis come senator blumenthal and i have said collectively suspend the weapon sales for a year. i believe after the midterm elections -- right now the issue is politicized -- but after the midterm elections, even republicans will join in this demand to hold the saudis accountable. amy: are you concerned about the former military officials high up as generals working for saudi arabia right now as exposed in the major keys, i believe in "the washington post"? >> yes. i had legislation with the marine from wisconsin saying

high-level officia other than memberof congres senators, general or executive branch officials should not be allowed to go work for a foreign country after their public service, whether that is saudi arabia or another country. that seems to me and inherit -- college of interest. amy: i want to talk about the midterm elections. you have been on the campaign trail lending support to senate candidates mandela barnes wisconsin, would be the first black senator to represent wisconsin. and have john fetterman in pennsylvania who is taking on the trump ally mehmet oz. let's talk about that one first. minute oz. we have a clip of him in the debate with john fetterman. it is pretty well known that

clip, talking about john fetterman when -- rather when minute oz asked about abortion, this is what he said. >> i want women, doctors, local, political leaders to put the best ideas forward so states can decide for themselves. amy: this should be between a woman, her doctor, and local elected officials. what were you saying on the campaign trail? >> what dr. oz said was not a gaff. that is the republican view. the democrats view reproductive rights as human rights. a fundamental right for women. republicans viewed as an issue that politicians should decide. it is a fundamental difference. i had a great reality with john fetterman in pittsburgh. there was a grid he is displaying. he is coming back from a health oversee like many others in

pennsylvania have been knocked down and come back. i saw a poll this morning that had him up five points. i think the momentum is still on his side. we have to get the turnout out. the way pennsylvania goes really could determine the control of the senate. amy: what about wisconsin with mandela barnes versus ron johnson, the current senator? >> mandela is the american dream. i was very proud to support him early on in the primary. he really is the son of working-class parents who has risen through sheer hard work. he believes in bringing manufacturing back to wisconsin. he believes in standing up for the working and middle class. ron johnson has supported policies that have led the private equity firms basically bankrupting, led the office showing of -- the hollowing out of wisconsin. amy: five seconds.

commerce member ro khanna, thank you for being with us democratic , congressman from california. tune in on november 8 for our three-hour election night special. we will be broadcasting live starting at 9:00 p.m. eastern. that is 6:00 p.m. pacific. that does it for our show.ñn■x

♪ hello there and welcome to nhk "newsline." i'm catherine kobayashi in new york. ukrainian leaders say russian forces want to leech people without power or water as temperatures drop toward freezing. they've seen another wave of missile attacks on their infrastructure. the strikes have cut off supplies of water and left people in the dark.