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woman:o i can ahead a, , dive io what wfound in threport. we did nd that you have dyslexia and that that is pointing to a lot of the difficulties you have when it comes to reading, and we also found that you have difficulties wi attention, so we did nd adhd, so we would say that that is also contributing to a lot of the difficulties that you're likely having. is there anything that you wanted to add, dr. nulty, before i move on? nulty: one thing that's important to recognize is the fatiing fact of ad it's li your brain is having to
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rk hardethan oth people' to block out the dogs barking and the cars going by and just whatever noises there are, and you're capable of blocking them out but at a cost, and that's cognitive fatigue. woman two: right. mm-hmm. this is 16 pages of things about my brain. ok. so the reason i'm here is because "afton is currently struggling to meet her foreign language requirement in her undergraduate studies at usc." understatement of the century. "she tried to take the class before, but she broke out in hives on the first day and was stuttering, leading her to drop the class. she"-- man: i remember that. afton: ha! man: that was so intense. you couldn't form complete sentences. afton: yeah. jesse: you were so overwhelmed. it was so crazy. afton: yeah. it was tough. it
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was not good. jesse: yeah. afton: i think we should make a movie about this. jesse: about your adhd? afton: yeah. hey, jesse. jesse: yes? afton: can you look at me? jesse: let's see. ton: hi. jesse: hi! afton: gotcha. jesse: ha ha ha! what's up? afton: can i come in? jesse: yeah, of course. afton: i just want to, um, ask you what adhd is.
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jesse: um... afton: clearly, we knew nothing. i mean, i have to say i was getting pretty good at researching disorders. i've been diagnosed with depression, anxiety, rid cycle bipolar, bipolar ii, fibromyalgia, addiction disorders, premenstrual dysphoric disorder, insomnia, dyslexia, and nearsightedness. ok. that last one has nothing to do with an adhd diagnosis, but it's still trueso... the more i read, the more i realized these symptoms were adhd or exacerbated by it. jesse: let me google it. afton: ok. jesse: i will--i wl tell you exactly what it is. adhd. um, see more symptoms than just that. "people may experience aggression, excitability, fidgeting, hyperactivity, impulsivity, irritability, lack of restraint, or persistent repetition of words or actions. absentmindedness, difficult focusing, forgetfulness, problems paying attention, or short attention span. anger,
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anxiety, boredom, excitement, or mood swings. and also common--depression and learning disabilities." it's like the, uh--the--the gift i got you for your, uh--for your birthday, and says, "my mind is like someone emptied the junk drawer onto a trampoline." i didn't know why they chose junk drawer, like, why--like--but i guess it makes sense because it's just like all of this ... that's kind of random as f and then onto a trampoline, so then it obviously is just bouncing around. is that what your brain feels like? afton: yes. jesse: does it always feel like that? doest ever not? afton: no. it always feels like that. the difference is sometimes it feels so overwhelming that my mind goes blank because i'm just like, "oh, my god. i can't get off. i can't get off e roller coaster of this," and then that's when i seem really slow.
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jesse: yeah. wow. that seems like i actually understand then your exhaustion a little more. why--that sounds exhausting is my point. like, exhausting. afton: i kept feeling like i was missing something. like, why did nobody notice that my symptoms were adhd? i thought that maybe i should go and chat with the people that are normally responsible when someone's life totally falls apart. i mean, it's always the parents, right? this is my mom lynn and my dad gerry. did they notice that i was struggling? i kind of figured there was no better day to ask what i was like growing up than on my birthday. lynn: birthday time, birthday time. afton: i remember as a kid feeling so, so different, and all i wanted was to be normal. lynn: well, see--
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afton: like, did you think i wasn't normal? lynn: i ink when dad and i were--i never felt normal, dad never felt normal, so i don't think we thought too much about you not feeling normal. gerry: i mean, you didn't act like some ofhe other kids that they said, "oh, this kid's got add," and they were all boys. lynn: and because in my family and in dad's family we have a lot of different mental disorders, i just thought that you had, um--you would get overwhelmed. gerry: "oh. well, she's going through, you know, um"... lynn: puberty. gerry: "puberty. you know, she's a sensitive child. she has difficulty deciding between things. she gets anxious when she goes out." it never--it never occurred to me that that's what we were dealing with, and nothing really made any sense and connected the dots until,
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um, your diagnosis with the adhd. lynn: because i don't think they talked about that. it was mostly kids that ran around and couldn't focus. afton: it really seemed like no one knew anything about girls and women with adhd. then i found and read this book. to say i was excited that sari agreed to talk to me would be an understatement. she's basically the rockstar of experts on adhd in women. so my next question is just how adhd looks different in girls and women. sari: right. a majority of girls are not hyperactive, they're not stereotypical, so they're not causing problems, they're not acting out, so no one's noticing them, and they're st quietly, u know, struggling. they internalize. they feel more anxiety, depression, or they're perfectionistic. they're often doing well in school. they're just hiding. they're having an experience that nobody can help them understd and that nobody understands them.
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afton: i mean, i would have never thought--of all the problems that i've had, i would have never thought that i had adhd. i barely even knew what it was. sari: so the term adhd has become so, you know, stigmatized and stereotypical. it just means that you have function struggles, you know, in these different ways--activation or distractibility or emoonal regulation. they're just descptions of how your brain works or has trouble working. afton: ok. this is what i gathered. adhd is a neurodevelopmental disorder that is 79% genetics and involves a deficiency in dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. this deficiency causes a lack of communication between all the different areas of the brain, which all have their own fancy names, but who has time for that because i have adhd and i can't stop looking at this hilarious cat in the dunce cap? [meow] anyway, think of the adhd brain like an orchestra. the musicians
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in all the different parts of the brain want to play together and rely on the condtor to lead them, but if the conductor isn't paying attention and zones out, the whole show falls apart. no one plays at the right time, and no one knows what they're doing. this is why adhd n frequently be treated with a stimulant. a stimulant gets more neurotransmitters up to the conductor so she can do her job and make the brain sound beautiful again. i had been trying everything for my symptoms--fidget toys, timers, exercise--but the first time i took adderall, i couldn't believe the difference. is this what other people feel like all the time? i could focus and do things that normally felt exhausting, and i got some headaches and lost my appetite sometimes... [timer dings] but it's worth it. pshew! right? then i made the mistake
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of googling adhd medication. add is not a thing. fact--no concrete physical evidence to prove that this is actually a thing. chemical... jorgensen: adhd medicine is a very small dose of meth in a pill. man: this isn't food. this is meth. jorgensen: why would anyone want to put this in their body? [overlapping voices] afton: hold on. i'm taking meth? do other people know that they're taking meth? i wanted to talk to someone with a little bit more experience. woman: focus. afton: yeah. ha ha ha! mimi is lented and successfu i me, she designed the movie set she uses as her zoom background. as i've been learning about adhd, i especially am fosing in on all the negatives. ok. well, this is what needed to be fixed. this is why i needed to take medication, and i think even as it helps me, i go, "oh. well, i guess i need to take this because i'm weak." like, i find myself thinking those things. i don't know. maybe you can speak to this, that it just
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takes time to sort of not feel guilty about it all anymore. mimi: can remember going back to my psychologist friend and saying to her, "i'm feeling really guilty. i mean, this is a controlled substance," and she said, "oh, nonsense." she said, "if you had diabetes, would you just not take insulin?" and i went, "what--ok. what are you talking about?" she said, "if you had diabetes, you would take your insulin, wodn't you?" and i sa, "well, sure," and she said"well, your brain needs this, o." and i went, "oh!" she said, "it may be a controlled substance for the united states and for the ama,
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but for you, it's a necessary substance." afton: right. mimi: and i said, "oh! your brain needs it." afton: yeah. ok. medication won't kill me. i've done my research. i have the diagnosis. that means i'm fixed! i'm fixed! i'm fiiiiiiixed! [leaf blower whirring] i... am...really over these gardeners... and what's crazy is that i can't focus.
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too many thoughts going on in my head at the same time, and then the gardeners in there gardening. aah! is everything always gonna be too much? i don't think, like-- i don't think all the adderall in the world is gonna change that feeling. i mean, it's insane. i can't even think right now because of the... [exhales] lynn: yeah. so-- afton: and then it's, like-- it's so loud. lynn: oh! afton: everything's so loud. it's just ver--it's ver--it's very overwhelming. um, it's like too much. it's just too much stimulation, i think. lynn: yes. yeah. too much too fast. jesse: i think you're at a low point still. i mean, i don't-- yeah.
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afton: what makes you say that? jesse: because you're angry a lot. you're not, like, a very mad person normally, and you're a pretty patient person, and right now, just you seem... rightfully, i think, angry at this thing that you have no control over, and you know i el this way because we've talked about it a lot, but you're not-- this has made you more insecure and lower yourelf-esteem. you're certainly not rejecting it. i mean, this is not--this is not rejecting your adhd. it might be an interesting way of dealing with it. i don't know, but...this is--this is exhausting. this whole thing has been exhausting. heh.
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afton: what whole thing? jesse: since you have found out and then decided to make a documentary about it. afton: i just feel like i don't know what the point is anymore. i don't know what the point is of me doing this anymore. it feels li i'm just, like, running on a treadmill, and it's just, like, never-ending. i mean, i'm trying to remind myself that i'm doing this for a reason. i'm doing this film for a reason. i want--i want to show what this process is like. i don't want other people--i don't want other young women to have these same feelings as an adult, like, the feelings of total self-loathing.
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sari: right from the beginning, there was a huge difference in the amount of shame that the women felt, where you're untangling this is who you are as a person, all these--not just strengths but your core traits that make you who you e, and you really have to go on two parallel paths, not measure yourlf by yo--those difficulties, and when you conflate all those, that's where you get the shame, a, you know, that's where your desk-- "my desk is mey" beces "i'm a mess," becomes "i'm bad," ich becomes "i can't have power in relatiohips. i n't do this in the world. i can't-- you know, i haveo withdraw," so the sha is "i'm bad versus, like, "iave difficulties." the shame is actually the much harder thing than the add. afton: i just felt like we were always--as a family especially we were always just trying, like, everything. lynn: yes. afton: everything to, like, fix. lynn: yeah, because the medical community couldn't seem to do
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anything for you, so i wasn't sure that i wanted to at a young--older teenage age or even teenager put you into psychotherapy. you know, i was very nervous about that because they frequently wanted to drug you up. over the years, our viewpoint has changed, but duri that time, you know, were very worried about you being so young and being on antidepressants beuse when you're a teenager it can be a real problem, but nothing ever helped 100%. afton: no, it didn't help 100% becausthat was--like, right after i did that, that was my suicide attempt. lynn: right. gerry: yeah. lynn: right. afton: the clearest memory i have of my suicide attempt is looking up at my mother and the first responders, who were
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rolling my gurney that i had been laid on, out of the house into the ambulance, and i remember opening my eyes and just looking at my mom and saying, "i'm so ... stupid. i can't even kill myself right." it's tough because i just couldn't imagine living the rest of my life feeling, um, i don't know, like a disappointment to myself and everyone around me because my brain was broken. gerry: watching you go through that was just--just heartbreaking for a parent. lynn: i think our immediate feeling was that we'd fail somehow not to find this out earlier. gerry: sure. it's the first thing you think of is it was my job to be a parent and protect my child and to know what was going on and guide and help and all that. lynn: yeah. gerry: we didn't succeed in
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handling the situation, but we never gave up. jesse: how do you think things would have maybe been handled had you known or how it would have affected you or-- afton: i constantly felt like a contradiction, so--which i still feel like, but i just know that there's a reason for it now, and it's not a character flaw, you know? lynn: yes. that's the difference. that is the difference between a diagnosis and not a diagnosis is that you can--you c accept yourself, you know, instead of thinking there's something really wrong with you. well, there's something that is a problem, but it doesn't mean there's something wrong with you. afton: yeah. lynn: yes. it's just another problem that you have to work around. jesse: what do you think
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acceptance looks like for you? like, 5, 10 years from now, i tell you, "no, actually, afton, like, you really--you really-- you handled it--you're handling it, and you're dealing with it really well." what does that look like? afton: um... what do you think is the--the biggest lesson you've learned? lynn: to like myself. to find likeable things about myself. sari: instd of tryg to fix yourself, you can just certainly mply learn to be yourself. mimi: think of it as a treasure. think of it as something that's bringing value to the human race and take care of yourself.
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gerry: having gone through what you have ge through wi the support that the people have given you down the line and the lack of support that people have given you down the line is just momentous. yeah. afton: thank you for supporting my weird brain. gerry: maybe it takes one to know one. [both laughing] family: ♪ happy birthday dear afton happy birthday to you ♪ jesse: i know. they did it. afton: i know. lynn: he always harmonizes. afton: it was really good. lynn: all right. make your wish. jesse: happy birthday. afton: ok. i have to make a good wish.
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so we just got done at my parents', and, um... i think i went into the day thinking that i was gonna, like, learn all of these things about, you know, why i wasn't diagnosed and somehow uncover some, you know, mysterious secret as to, uh, they knew something that i didn't and--i don't know, but i think the thing that i learned was just how much love there is there and how much support there is there, and... [sighs] i just kept wishing that everyone had the kind of love and support in my life that i have because i think it's one
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of the reasons that i'm alive. jesse: and i think not being ashamed is a huge step, ev though it's scary. afton: yeah. jesse: but if you're not ashamed, then maybe the next person won't be ashamed and then the next person, and then someday, the shame around it will actually be, like--i won't say, like, a superpower, but there's an acknowledgment that thinking differently and brains working differently is actually good. it's notust not bad. it's good, you know? anyway, i love you. uh, can i get back to work? afton: mew, mew, mew, mew, mew. mew, mew, mew. ha ha! [kissing] [jesse whispering]
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sit on the sidelines, which was never my personality anyways, so i started playing in formal sports, like, 4 or 5, not necessarily tennis but absolutely basketball, baseball. i was the only girl in little league. ha! and in competitive, fourth grade was kind of when i started getting more intense into soccer and basketball. >> which ones didn't i play? i think, like, cricket and, like, volleyball and ice hockey are probably the only sports that i haven't played, um, that, like, come to mind. i kind of have tried everything for at least one season. i was not a big fan of basketball or swimming, so those obviously did not stick, but i played soccer for most of my life, and a lot of the influence behind what sports i played came from my siblings. that was, like, our family culture was always doing things athletic. i was, like, competitively playing soccer for, like, 11 years of my life.
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so after sophomore year, um, kind of at the beginning of that year, i had just decided--i was like, "yeah. i want to, like, get serious about lacrosse," and, boy, did i get serious about lacrosse. lots of, um, days just playing wall ball until it got dark till i'd get better and actually fit on my club team, but it was totally worth it because two years later, i committed, and now i'm here. >> go ahead. sweep rolls. xavi: zoe xavier campbell but going by xavi or xavier as of late. uh, did you say year? ha! senior, 20 years old, turning 21 in a month. i'm gonna mention that anyways. tennis and identify as they/them or genderfluid. claire: i'm claire olson. i'm 19. i'm a defender on the women's lacrosse team, and despite that title i identify as nonbinary. i use they/them pronouns, and i guess
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queer/lesbian,omewhere in between. heh. they, like, did, um, a line of their eyeliner that was, like, barbed wire, and i'm like, "ok. like, i could do that. i could do that," and whether or not, you know, i'm way too full of myself, totally could be, but also, like, i could totally do that. i don't feel that my makeup has any gender. i think you can use makeup to achieve gender. it's something easy to change about yourself, whereas, like, my body is not. my body is not something easy to change about myself, but if i'm, like, really dysphoric, i can just absolutely cut my contour to make it look like i'm just a dude, like, just fully a man. um, it's not always the most flattering makeup, but then
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again, you know, when you're queer, you don't always use makeup to look good. you just use makeup to look different. xavi: i cut my hair--ha-- pretty recently, and i'd always had long hair, and ilways went by zoe or zo, but after kind of cutting my hair, it was a little bit like kind of gender euphoric, i guess, is like how i imagined it. i, like, cried-- ha--when it happened. um, like, baby tears but tears. i never had a problem with zoe. like, it's not that i disliked my name at all, but i always loved my middle name so much because it was my grandma's last name and my mom's middle name, as well, and i just thought that it fit me better, so after cutting my hair, it fell kind of appropriate to also take that other leap, as well. claire: i grew up in newton, massachusetts, which is about 10 minutes outsidof boston. growing up in that place not being kind of like everyone i
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was around was a little weird. it was never really a question of whetherr not i liked girls. it just was, like, later in life, i was like, "do i like guys?" i'm like, "is that an assumption i should have made about myself?" um, so when i first came out to at least my lacrosse team, um, i came out as bisexual, which is a pretty easy thing to stomach, i'd say. doesn't mean that they were great about it. uh, i've been on a few homophobic teams, the kind of things it's like "i don't care you like girls, but blah, blah, blah." um, i've been-- i've been heckled during games by people literally slurring at me, so, like, calling me a ... or whatever, and i'm like, "that's not heckling. that's just hate speech." i'm like, "that's not the same thing." xavi: everyone knew i was gay before i did. um, i remember my freshman year of high school this girl came up to me during gym class and was like, "so, zoe, i heard y're a ...," and
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i remember being absolutely petrified. all of the gay girls that were out, thawas their main ideity. like, that's all we knew them for was "oh, the lesbians." um, we didn't know, ke, whathey did, like, i theyere--what their interests were. like, they were kind of just simplified into that, and that was sometng that i was always scared of, especially having my brher be gay, as well, because at that point he had come out, and i was very nervous about kind of having people think that me coming out would, one, confirm what they already knew, which i just kind of didn't want to give them that satisfaction, so a little bit of a--a little bit of an ego, little bit of a pride thing. ha ha! um, but i also didn't want people to think, "oh. well, she just thinks that because her brother's gay, and sshe's just, you know, following that," even though we were very--we are very, very different individuals. so being closeted
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really sucked, and it wasn't really until college that i was proud of being gay. >> 3, 4, 5, 6. you got it, you got it! 7! last one, last one! come on! 8. nice. xavi: i think coming out has sometimes alienated me. claire: it's really easy to fake your sexuality, to fake liking guys. you can just avoid the conversation, you can say, "oh, i just broke up with my boyfriend," whatever if you really want to get into the lie. xavi: this is the biggest problem that i've had. i don't want to be known just for being gay. there are so many other parts to me. don't get me wrong. that's a part of my life, that's a part of who i am, but there are so many other things about myself that i'm proud of. i don't want to be belittled to just one thing, and on the tennis court, sometimes that happens, and the only way to kind of push that is to just win. claire: it's--it's really hard to fake your gender identity when perception is such a huge
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part of it. who you have relationships with, who you have sewith, whatever, you can choose whether onot you share that. the way i am perceived is for everybody. like, there's no keeping that in there, and so as soon as i started figuring out "oh, i think that, you know, i'm not--i'm not a girl or i don't see myself as a girl," then i'm like, "well ... what am i supposed to do now?" xa: i've got a--i've got a ways to go. ha! you know, like, i'm still 20. as of right now, i think i'm the happiest and the most comfortable and confident that i've ever been, and a big part of that comes with the haircut, the name change, and the pronoun change. as well, my other d i arthe closest we've ever been, and that's a big part--or a big part of that was starting to ask him questions about "hey. have you ever questioned your gender?" like, "hey. like, what's your experience going out?" you know, all of that stuff. claire: i think the healthiest thing that i've done is embrace
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my identity because it has come with a lotf challenges and a lot of costs, but, like, this-- where i'm at right now is the happiest that i have been with myself probably in my entire life. i think it would be a lot easier if we were just athletes. like, you would just go to practice, go to your game, get on the field, and everyone was just an athlete. i can't think of a single athlete who wants to be, like, hyperfeminine, you know? it's like--that's not-- you don't play sports to be, you know, cute or whatever. it's, like, you play sports because you like it. as they see more and more nonbinary people go pro and trans people go pro, i think it can only get better honestly. more role models, more kids doing it, and overall a better-- a bett queer community. xavi: yeah. i mean, i'm excited. i'm a little nervous to go into the workplac uh, because i'm sure there's gonna be a little more pushback than i've
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[birds chirping] boy: there's a classic chinese saying "the color turquoise is derived from blue but also surpasses blue"... stemmed from the philosophy that each generation will be better off than the one that came before it, but as i stand here today yet again about to face ... with a shoehorn for misbehaving, i can't help but wonder what if i didn't want to be turquoise... [smack] or chinese for that matter. [doorbell rings] [ring]
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woman: wei-lai, hello! luca! luca: wei-lai! [running footsteps] wei-lai, what do you want to do today? wei-lai: oh. i'm--i'm actually here to see you, mrs. francis. let's be honest. we both know luca is a bit...academically challenged. luca: accidentally what? mrs. francis: no. wei-lai: well, remember that time where we got our math izzes back and you said you wished he was more like me? mrs. francis: uh...no, no. wei-lai: well, here's your chance. i'm offeng myself for adoption. [zipper slides] [papers rustling] here's my report card. you see i've continuously exceled in all fields. the only class i'm behind in is physical education, but i think i can surpass him with the proper training and tutelage. so you feel like an upgrade? [birds chirping]
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isn't this great? we start off as best friends, and now we're proper brothers. hmm. if we move your bed to that side of the wall, we could fit my bed on the other side. luca: what?! we-- wei-lai: or we could have bunk beds. that would give even-- luca: why are you doing this to me? wei-lai: all my parents do is ask me if you want to eat and... [sighs] luca: does it hurt? wei-lai: ow! [giggling]
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luca: ok, ok. if we do get bunk beds, can i at least have the top one? both: boom! [indistinct chatter] mom: we're sorry. we're really embarrassed. mrs. francis: oh, no, no. don't be. it is the weekend after all. why not just let wei-lai stay the night here? hello? mom: uh, sorry. uh, yeah. we do have night shifts this weekend, so sure. uh, thank you. thank you very much. mrs. francis: i'm sure the kids will have a great-- [beep] [man speaking chinese]
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[music stops] luca: what's wrong? wei-lai: i still haven't heard from my parents all day. luca: you mean mr. and mrs. hao? that's good, isn't it? wei-lai: yeah, but... i know them, and they're not gonna let me off that easily. promise me you won't let them take me away. luca: well, maybe they just don't care. [yawns] mrs. hao: hi. mrs. francis: oh, hello! wei-lai: shoot. they're here. come on! mrs. francis: oh, my goodness. this is wonderful! thank you. mrs. hao: yes. yeah. mrs. francis: well, i think i can take over from here. thank you. bye! oh. wei-lai, look what your parents brought you. yeah. looks like you'll be staying with us for a little while, so... luca: wei-lai, wait, wait!
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mrs. francis: are you coming? wei-lai: you're ght. they don't care. luca: where'd you say your parents work at again? mr. franci i can't eat half the things on this menu. mrs. francis: oh! stop complaining. it was luca's suggestion. sweet thing. i think he's worried that wei-lai might be feeling homesick. mr. francis: i'm not complaining. anything to get out of the nondairy, nongluten, nonflavored smoothies you've gotten us into. mrs. francis: oh, shh. mrs. hao: tea? mrs. francis: oh! hi. mr. francis: oh, hi! mrs. hao: hi! mrs. francis: hello. mrs. hao: hi.
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uh... mr. hao: oh, hi. mrs. francis: hi. hello. mr. hao: how are you? mrs. hao: thank you so much for taking care of wei-lai. mrs. francis: oh, not at all. it's our pleasure. mrs. hao: such a little troublemaker. mr. francis: wei-lai is quite well behaved. mrs. francis: mm-hmm. mr. hao: maybe i take him back. [laughter] mr. francis: anytime you want. mr. hao: thank you. mrs. francis: speaking of, where are those boys? mr. hao: didn't-- mrs. francis: oh! [rock 'n' roll playing] sweet baby jesus. mr. francis: what the hell? wei-lai: hello, mr. and mrs. hao. we would like to have the yangzhou fried rice, cantonese
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eggplant casserole, and the kung pao chicken easy on the gluten, easy on the dairy, easy on the fat, and easy on the flavor. mr. francis: um, we had nothing to do with--ohh! wei-lai: help! i need help! i'm being kidnapped! let go of me! [clamoring] [crash] you're not allowed to hit me anymore! i'm not chinese anymore! white! want to be white! white rents actually love their kids!
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