03/30/23 03/30/23 [captioning de possible by democracy now!] amy: from new york, this is democracy now! >> treasures several starbucks violated federal liberal law over 100 times -- federal labor law over 100 times, far more than any other corporation in america. >> starbucks company, let me set the tone for this early on, has not broken the law most of amy: senator bernie sanders grilled starbucks longtime ceo howard

schultz in a testy senate hearing on the coffee company's union busting. we will air experts and speak to a starbucks worker who was fired over his union organizing. then filmmaker jennifer fox. five years ago, she made a remarkable narrative film "the tale" based in part on her perienceurvivinghild xual abuse by a coach. >> changg myse. i don'even rember how used to be. >> i fou a storyou wrote in english. >> wre did y finit? >> what tters is wh it sa. excellent coach. amy: jennifer fox recently revealed the name of the man who abused her, ted nash, a legendary olympic rower and

coach. today jennifer fox will come back on democracy now! for her first television interview since making this revelation, which has sparked an investigation by the u.s. rowing federation. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman. the united nations has adopted a landmark resolution that seeks to hold countries accountable for climate crisis. on wednesday, the u.n. general assembly voted on a measure calling on the international court of justice to establish obligations under international law for nations to protect their populations from the impacts of global heating. the resolution was introduced by the low-lying pacific island nation of vanuatu, which the u.n. has described as the nation most vulnerable to natural disasters. its adoption comes a month after vanuatu was hit by two powerful

tropical cyclones. this is cynthia houniuhi of the solomon islands, one of 27 students from eight pacific island countries who launched the campaign for the resolution. >> it is amazing to see how this wild idea that we had four years ago ke its w from a classroom in the south pacific tohe table or the floor of the united nations general assembly and receive such a historic vote , vote by consensus. i can't believe it happened. amy: the united states did not support the resolution. a senior biden administration official told reuters -- "we believe that diplomacy -- not an international judicial process -- is the most effective path forward." here in the united states, the

biden administration opened bidding wednesday on oil and gas leases covering more than 73 million acres of the central and western gulf of mexico, an area roughly the size of italy. fossil fuel companies secured access to 1.6 million of those acres. environmental groups blasted the interior department's lease sale as unconscionable and another betrayal of president biden's campaign pledge to ban all new oil drilling on federal land. in france, the european court of human rights heard arguments wednesday in a landmark lawsuit brought by women retirees from switzerland who are suing the swiss government over its failure to tackle the climate crisis. members of the group senior women for climate protection argue older people's rights are being violated since they're at the highest risk of the extreme heat that's becoming more frequent due to global heating. helping to argue the case were members of the enri, the european network of national human rights institutions. >> people ha it in their power

to change the course of history. you do. on behalf of all natiol human rights institutions in europe ,enri urges the court to protect vulnerable individuals against escalating and irreversible climate harm. the facts are simple. greeouse gas emissions cause heat extreme that kills. amy: mexico has launched a homicide probe into this week's fire at an immigrant jail in ciudad juarez which killed 39 asylum-seekers. this is mexican security minister rosa icela rodríguez. >> we have identified eight people allegedly responsible for the events. two federal agents, one state migration agent, and five members of the private security

company are already testifying before the prosecutor's office. part of the investigation is to confirm why civil protection protocols were not followed. it is clear they were not respected. we want to know why they did not save lives and were not able to open a gate. amy: the tragedy has brought renewed scrutiny to the border policies many have called inhumane enacted by the u.s. and the harsh conditions at mexican migrant jails. the united states senate has voted to repeal the authorizations for the 1991 gulf war and the 2003 invasion of iraq. wednesday's vote was 66-to-30, with 18 republicans voting in favor of repealing the aumf's, or authorizations for the use of military force. this is new jersey senator robert menendez. >> this vote shows congress is prepared to clawback our constitutional role in deciding how and when a nation goes to

war. and also when it should end war s. it protects against future administration's abusing authorizations that outlive their mandate remain on the books. amy: among democrats who voted to repeal the measure were senators chuck schumer, maria cantwell, and diane feinstein, who voted in favor of authorizing force in iraq in 2002. president joe biden, who also voted in favor of the invasion as a senator, has promised to sign the repeal if it's approved by the house. turkey's parliament is voting today on whether to ratify finland's bid to join nato. it's the last remaining barrier to finland's accession to the military alliance. if the ratification is approved, as expected, nato will add more than 800 miles to its border with russia. this comes as 10 nations led by canada are wrapping up nearly two weeks of nato war games in latvia, a former soviet republic that joined nato in 2004. in russia, thousands of troops

began war games in siberia wednesday to train on the use of russia's yars mobile intercontinental ballistic missile system. the nuclear drills came as the biden administration said it had stopped sharing detailed data on its strategic nuclear forces with russia after president vladimir putin suspended russia's participation in the new start nuclear arms treaty. meanwhile, russia says it has detained u.s. citizen and "wall street journal" correspondent evan gershkovich, accusing him of spying. he was arrested in the city of yekaterinburg in russia's ural mountains. if convicted on espionage, gershkovich faces up to 20 years in prison. west virginia has banned gender-affirming healthcare for transgender minors, joining at least 10 other states that have enacted similar laws. the law makes an exception in cases where an adolescent is deemed to be at risk for self-harm or suicide, is

diagnosed with severe gender dysphoria by two healthcare specialists, and has received parental consent. meanwhile, in kentucky, republican lawmakers on wednesday voted to override democratic governor andy beshear's veto of a sweeping trans bill which bans gender affirming health care and forces people to use public restrooms that do not align with their gender. protesters chanted from the house gallery during wednesday's proceedings, leading to 19 arrests. in tennessee, hundreds of people gathered at a vigilant nashville morning the three adults and green nine-year-old students killed by heavily armed shooter at the covenant school on monday morning. first lady jill biden joined the ceremony. on capitol hill, house speaker kevin mccarthy said wednesday republicans want to see all the facts before proposing any new gun legislation in the wake of the school shooting. that prompted a heated

confrontation between new york democratic congress member jamaal bowman and kentucky republican congress member thomas massie, just off the house floor where bowman accused republicans of refusing to save children's lives. >> nine years old -- 39-year-old. are they going to those funerals? no. they never go to the funerals. they never go to the scene of the mass shootings. amy: kentucky republican thomas massie responded to bowman, "there has never been a school shooting in a school that allows teachers to carry." in 2021, massey tweeted a photo of himself and six family members holding assault style wife rose the caption "merry christmas. ps, santa, please bring ammo."

in los angeles, 7 california hwy patrol officers and one nurse were charged with involuntary manslaughter over the 2020 death of 38-year-old edward bronstein. bronstein was detained during a traffic stop and violently pinned down at a highway patrol station in order to draw a blood sample despite bronstein saying multiple times he would give the sample voluntarily and screaming "i can't breathe" 12 times. "the texas observer" announced it has reversed plans to shut down and will continue publishing after a staff-led crowdfunding campaign raised over $300,000. "the texas observer," once edited by that legendary migrating journalist -- muckraking journalist molly ivins, is a bastion of progressive reporting in texas and beyond. and in australia, lawmakers advanced a move to hold a historic referendum that would recognize indigenous people in the australian constitution and

establish an indigenous voice to parliament committee. this is thomas mayo, kaurareg aboriginal and kalkalgal, erubamle torres strait islander, a member of the referendum working group. >> it is not good enough here in this country the life expectancy of indigenous peoples is a must 10 years less than other australians. -- almost 10 years less than her us tllions. where the most carcerated people on the planet. it is not good enough that our youth languish in detention and obscene numbers. they should be our hope for the future. it is time for us to have a voice. amy: and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. coming up, senator bernie sanders grills starbucks longtime ceo howard schultz in a testy senate hearing on the company's unionbusting.

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amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman, joined by my democracy now! co-host nermeen shaikh. hi, nermeen. nermeen: hi, amy. welcome to all of our listeners and viewers from around the country and around the world. amy: nermeen, a very happy birthday, related that it is. nermeen: thank you so much. amy: senator bernie sanders faced off with the longtime ceo of starbucks howard schultz wednesday at a senate hearing focused on the company's union-busting record. schultz, who is worth over $3 billion, stepped down as starbucks ceo march 20. his resignation came just weeks after a national labor relations board judge ruled that starbucks had engaged in "egregious and

widespread misconduct" in its effort to prevent employees from unionizing. the judge also ordered starbucks to reinstate illegally fired workers, reopen closed stores, and halt other union-busting tactics. since 2021, nearly 300 starbucks stores have voted to unionize. later in the show, we will be joined by a starbucks worker who was fired after leading the union drive at a starbucks store in augusta, georgia. but first, we turn to excerpts from wednesday's hearing of the senate help committee. help stands for health, education, labor, and pensions. before questioning starbucks ceo howard schultz, bernie sanders outlined starbucks' labor record. >> over the past 18 months, starbucks has waged the most aggressive and illegal unionbusting campaign in the modern history of our country.

that unionbusting campaign has been led by howard schultz, the multibillionaire founder and director of starbucks, who is with us this morning only under the threat of subpoena. let must be clear about the nature of starbucks vicious antiunion efforts. the national labor relations board nlrb has filed ove80 complaints against starbucks for violating federal labor law. there have been over 500 unfair labor practice charges lodged against the company. and judges have found that starbucks broke the law 130 times across six states since workers begin organizing in the fall of 2021. these violations include the illegal firing of more than a

dozen starbucks workers for the crime of exercising their right to form a union and to collectively bargain for better wages, better working conditions. since the first starbucks union was certified more than 450 days ago in buffalo, workers at more than 360 stores across 40 states have held union elections. 83% of the seltions have resulted in a union victory. today, nearly 300 starbucks coffee shops employing more than 7000 workers have a union despite starbucks aggressive antiunion efforts. but with nearly 300 shops voting to form union, starbucks has refused to sign a single first contract with the union.

not a single one. thank you very much. my time is limited. so i am going to be asking you to respond to each question as briefly as you can come hopefully with a yes or no. do you understand that american workers have a fundamental right to join the union and collectively bargain to improve wages, benefits, and working conditions? do you understand that? >> i understand and we respect the right of every partner who wears a green apron whether they choose to join a union or not. >> are you aware that nlrb judges have ruled starbucks violated federal labor law over 100 times during the past 18 months, far more than any other corporation in america? >> sir, starbucks coffee company unequivocally -- let me set the tone for this early on -- has

not woken the law. -- broken the law. >>re you aware on march 1, 20, and administrative law judge found starbucks guilty of "egregious and widespread misconduct", widespread coercive behavior, and showed "general disregard for the employees' fundamental rights" in a unit organizing campaign that started in buffalo, new york, in 2021? >> i am aware those are allegations and congress has created a process that we are following and we are confident those allegations will be proven false. >> for answering the following questions, let me remind you federal law at 18 u.s. code section 1001 prohibits knowingly and willfully making any fraudulent statement. >> i understand that.

>> were you ever informed of were involved in the decision to fire a worker who is part of a union organizing drive? >> i was not. >> were you ever informed of were involved in a decision to discipline a worker in any way it was part of union organizing? >> i was not. >> heavy threaten, chorus, or intimidated a worker for supporting a union? >> i have had conversations that could have been interpreted in a different way than i intended. that is up to the person who receives the information that i spoke to. >> were you informed of or involved in the decision that would hold benefits from starbucks workers unionized stores including higher pay and faster sick time accrual? >> my understanding, when we

created the benefits in may, one month after i returned as seo, under the law we did not have the unilateral right to provide those to a place interested in joining a union. >> under your leadership, starbucks has repeatedly refused to bargain when any of the 7000 workers and nearly 300 stores where workers have voted to represent themselves for union. the first group of workers to win their election have been waiting more than 460 days to reach first contract. mr. schulz, will you commit right now that within 14 days of this hearing, starbucks will exchange proposals with the union, something it has refused to do for more than 450 days, so that meaningful progress can be made to bargain a first contract in good faith? will you make that commitment? >> because the arrangement that was made by the union and the

nlrb in buffalo to negotiate one single store at a time, we have met over 85 times for a single store. we have tried to reach over 350 separate meetings. we have said publicly and i say again, weelieveace-to-face negotiations is the way to proceed. the reason i want to make that point is there have been safety issues and when starbucks managers have been outed on social media, there are privacy issues. we don't want to do it on zoom. we are prepared to meet face-to-face on a single store issue. >> you make a promise to this committee that you will exchange proposals with the union so that we can begin to make in full progress? >> on a single star basis, we will continue to negotiate in good faith. amy: that was former starbucks ceo howard schultz and verma independent senator bernie

sanders during the hearing wednesday at the help committee that stands for health, education, labor, and pensions. former starbucks worker jaysin saxton also testified at the hearing. >> over the past 18 months, starbucks has waged the most aggressive -- >> in april, our store won the election by lance i-26-five, despite all of the threats and intimidation. starbucks retaliation ramped up even more after we won our election. we were constantly being watched . store hours were constantly changing and the hours kept getting cut. people were fired right on the shop floor. they fired sevenf our union members. two partners requested lea post management refused to sign off and they were terminated. several people quit including my

wife. some of us were told we should look for another job. in july i let a strike and delivered our demands. a month later, i was fired for supposedly being disruptive. amy: that was former starbucks worker jaysin saxton testified wednesday before the senate. he joins us now from augusta, georgia. welcome to democracy now! can you talk about the significant and the grilling of, well, usually everyone thinks of them as the starbucks ceo howard schultz but in fact, he just resigned. >> thank you for having me. yesterday's hearing was a very interesting two hours. howard schultz did what he always does andisrepresented what was actually going on in these stores. maybe that is because he doesn't know even though he says he came

back for operations, for customers. even the he constantly says he is there for the partners. nermeen: gives background, her own story, what happened in july, what led to your being fired last july from the augustine, georgia, starbucks store where you are working. >> at my store we decided we were going to unionize because we were facing a lot of staffing issues, hours were being cut, the training was insufficient, health care coverage was too expensive. my partner without parental leave -- my wife and i just had our daughter. he kept dealing with issues after the election. that is also when they fired a

lot of us. they fired a shift supervisor so we decided to do a walk out, which led to a two day strike. after that strike, went back to work and every thing was good. went on vacation and came back and i was fired. they said i was being disruptive. again, on the dev the walkout, i was not being disruptive. i was not working at the time. i was off the clock. nermeen: what is your sense from the other employees at that store but also at starbucks stores elsewhere, if you said, you mentioned some of them now, but what working conditions are like for starbucks employees? what precisely are the health benefits you get? you said it is very expensive. time off, how many hours of work they work -- how many hours a week they work, if you could just say about the conditions? >> the conditions are insane.

a partner, which is what i was called come into play, can work one week 25 hours on the next week work five. so there is no stability and how much you are earning and how many hours you are getti. so you can't afford to pay your bills and you have to choose between gas and food. the other working conditions like on the shop floor would be come if you -- you could burn yourself and that happens a lot with a lot of the products that go in the ovens. we are constantly being understaffed. having to meet the goals that starbucks wants us to meet, which is 45 to 62nd out the window time for drive-thru. amy: let me ask you something. i think something like 293 starbucks stores have voted to organize of the 9000, and seems to be going across the country. howard schultz was grilled about the bargaining sessions,

something like there have been 85, but in many cases, is it true starbucks officials walk within 15 minutes? >> i don't have any firsthand experience because starbucks has refused to negotiate with my store. but from what i have heard from other locations, yes, they spent six minutes at one bargaining session and simply because they don't like -- i think it is funny. howard schultz said during the hearing they did not when extra people to be in the background on the zoom calls, but you're constantly listening t us and surveilling us when we are working and using that to terminate as an right as opposed starbucks policy allows customers to come in and record as all day long and we cano anything about it. amy: you testified before the senate. as we wrap up, your final

comment not only to starbucks workers around the country but for people to understand starbucks is obviously a global corporation about what people should know about starbucks. >> the biggest thing people should know about starbucks is while they tout it is the most progressive company and they are partner-first, their actions even in howard schultz's words yesterday don't show the actually care. the direct relationship that howard schultz says he wants just so they can continue to dictate what they want to do, not actually give the partners the chance to say what is going on in their store and what they need to behold. amy: jaysin saxton, thank you for being with us, former starbucks shift manager who was terminated after leading the union drive at a starbucks store in augusta, georgia. he testified on wednesday before the senate help committee, health, education, labor, and

pensions. when we, back, filmmaker jennifer fox joins us. five years ago she made a remarkable film about a coach that abused her as a child. now she has named him, ted nash, the legendary olympic rower and coach. she will join us. stay with us. ♪♪ [sic brk]

amy: this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace report. i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. in recent years, the #metoo movement has inspired women around the world to come forward

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when she was 13 years old. her recent revelation made the front page of "the new york times." the u.s. rowing federation has begun an investigation into jennifer fox's claims. in a minute, she will join us in her first television interview since she made the disclosure. but first, let's turn to the trailer from "the tale." >>he sto you arebout to see is te. as far as i kw. when was a child, w obseed with anging melf. i d't evenemember w i used to be. eetheart found storyou wrote innglish css. whe did y find it whamatters what itays. very scial pple. >>xcellent coach. >>on'you trusme?

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and common, a 2018 film by film maker jennifer fox who joins us now here in new york in her first tv/radio interview since "the new york times" exposé on the front page. jennifer is a writer and director who made the emmy nominated film "the tale" as well as others, and narrative memoir about her own reckoning of childhood sexual abuse. she has just revealed the identity of her abuser ted nash, the two-time olympic medalist and rowing nine time olympic coach. jennifer, this is extremely brave of you. ted nash is now dead. he died in 2021 at the age of 88. can you take us on the journey from the 13-year-old to making this narrative film where you

are the protagonist in it, the person is named jennifer fox, but you did not name him and then your decision years after the film to identify your abusers? >> yes, thank you so much. i am so happy to be here with you, amy. who truth is if you know filmmaking, i knew if i wanted to make a film about what happened to me, i could never name ted nash because he would neatly have put a lawsuit against me -- immediately put a lawsuit against me. in order to attack the film and get the story out which i thought was more important than naming him at that time, i decided to disclose -- to not disclose who he was in the film. after i made the film, i then immediately started the process of trying to name him. i went to many lawyers to see if

we could prosecute him. their problem was is ted nash, although he was very famous, was not worth any money and so i could not get a lawyer to take the case against him because the way these lawyers make their living is by suing the institution that the coaches are part of in these sex abuse lawsuits. so i was discouraged from suing ted after "the tale" and naming him and the next idea was maybe i would hire a private investigator to find out if there were other women. of the private investigators were so expensive and i was not able to afford them month-to-month, so at that point, i decide to ok, i made the film, the most important thing is out there, which is the nature of childhood sexual abuse and memory, and i'm just going to have to go on and live my life. what happened when he died, he

was so vetted all over america, particularly in philadelphia or around the university of pennsylvania where he was a coach, more things were named after him, more regattas, and i got furious. i did not actually know what to do until a young woman who was with men 1975 pamela burdette, she called me on the phone and said, "jennifer, i what to do something, i want to out him, is it ok?" i said yes. she called or wrote this a sport organization and soon got a letter that said they could not touch it because he had died. at that point, it was up to me to decide what to do. i kind of took counsel with myself because a part of me, truthfully, just once to move on. but the child part of me, and this is really true, said to myself, "you have to do

something. i'm not going to rest until you do." i called the safe sport and they told me to call u.s. rowing who asked me to write a letter. immediately, amanda krause, the head of u.s. rowing, called me and asked me to tell her more. in that process, i decided to go to "the new york times" to publicly out him. amanda krause at u.s. rowing went to her board and they decided to launch an investigation, which is going on now. that is how we got to today. nermeen: jennifer fox, you mentioned the nature of child sexual abuse. that is something that you wanted to talk about in the film and you do in a magnificent way in "the tale." you have drawn an analogy between the effects of childhood sexual abuse and that of being shot with a bullet that shatters

inside you saying it takes decades to pull out those little pieces. and that, to some extent, explains why people who are sexually abused as children are only able to even come to know, much less articulate what happened to them, often decades later. if you could talk about that and how that is conveyed in your film? >> it is a great question because i think people out there who have not been abused don't understand why now. this year is 50 years since i was abused by ted nash. that is amazing even to myself. but in the film what i talk about is the incredible power of the mind to protect the self against what happened to itself by changing the facts into something else.

and what i would like to say, and i don't want to compare these two because they are equally horrific, but there is a real difference between rape and sexual abuse because rape is a clear violence that you see the attacker as someone bad. but sexual abuse is something insidious that an adult does to a child to slowly enter the child's world and make the child think that they are kind, loving, and have the child's best interest in mind so that when the encroachment on the physical boundaries start happening, there is confusion set up. and that confusion remains in the cells and the dna of us, i just a victims of child sexual abuse. it is a very confusing act that takes decades to unpack in ourselves. often the mind shuts down around it.

i do give the analogy, it is like a bullet that explodes into into a million pieces. you can't really figure out all the pieces. often it takes decades as it did with me. i only use the word "abuse" on myself and on what happened to me with ted nash in my mid-40's, making a film about women and it came out to me, oh, my god, i'm like all of those other women who have been abused. then when i made "the tale," it was about the stories i had told myself to survive. i made myself a hero. i was the hero of my story. even after making "the tale" i think it was the first time in my voice i felt, ok, i am ready to name him, but i wasn't able to. and now in naming him 50 years later, i am shocked that i had even any power because inside of

me was this little girl who felt powerless against ted nash who only now has been able to come out. nermeen: one of the most powerful features of your film come the fact both artistically, formally, and in the dialogue itself, there are so much that is conveyed about the impossibility of a child as she grows up to fully recognize what has happened to her. the fact traumatic experience, which is exactly what you are saying come a splitting off, silencing, or what they call a dissociation. what is amazing about the story you have told is the role, the making of the film itself played in bringing back to you memories, say one of those -- some of those millions of pieces of the bullet that came together in the making of the film. if he could talk about the

relationship between that. there is a therapeutic practice that often helps survivors of sexual -- childhood sexual abuse but there is also the act of creation, artistic creation, and what that can enable. if you could talk about your own experience of that? >> yes. i have always used filmmaking to make sense of the world whether it is a personal story or any outer story, but "the tale" was my grappling with the fact i had told myself basically a fantasy story that i was the hero of my abuse. after making "the tale," little did i know i was about to discover a whole another story which was about the damage the abuse had done to me. and "the tale" really ends with the character laura dern facing that she had been abused.

in real life come after making "the tale" it was a huge success and a lot of impact, showed around the world, etc., i was left with this other revelation that a part of me had been left behind at 13, and that part of me was the damaged part of me that i had never even seen or accepted. and suddenly, i had to reckon with this cut off part. and that part was burned and damaged in my own imagination. and many other things have come out in the last four years in my own mind. in fact, ironically, someday i expect to make another work that is sort of a part two about this story, but in doing that, i think also that part of me basically said, "you have to do

something. you have to stand up and name him." the reason is, when ted died, he was so vetted in that media. i don't doubt that ted did good in his sport, but the reality is this other story of the horror that he had inflicted on me and possibly my, many others, had never been told. i think it is very important to bring this other story out to the world now and to show this other part of the man that people put on a pedestal and made into a god. it is a very important act to stand up to power and to sway for me and others. amy: jennifer, i want to go back to your film "the tale" and play a clip. this is when jennifer fox, played by laura dern, as an

adult, has an argument with her supportive fiancé was played by common. >> this was important toe an i'm tryingo figureut why o thespeople we importt to me. >> who a theseeople? i saw letter fm a woma was at? >> tt was my ridin teaer. e washere tt summ. th is why wento seeer. >> why hwent t find andhen you we the vtim? ok,'m nosaying tha -- 'm t a vict. i don't ne you or abody to call maictim, o need stop this now. and that is a scene from "the tale." laura dern playing you saying, "i am not a victim." and they're also referring to

another woman in this story, in your life. you call her in the film mrs. g and identified her as susie buchanan who died 10 years ago. people did not realize what this was about because you were involved -- if you can tell that story of how at 13 you came to know her and how she facilitated the grooming by ted, there was a rowing legend, was involved with this running team. >> yes. this is buchanan was my riding coach, very esteemed british coach and our community. myself and two other young women and a young man were invited to spend the summer at her house and advance our equestrian. we had a wonderful summer but

the first morning actually we started, she introduced us to ted nash as her running coach. she was a very good runner as well. every morning before riding, we would run with ted and he would pop by the farm because he lived across the field from her. he would pop by the farm daily to watch us ride. we would go out for ice cream at night, etc. at the end of that summer, my father, by accident, could not pick me up right away and i stayed an extra night when the other kids left and susie invited me to go out to dinner with her and cat at a local diner. they told me they were having an affair. they brought me into her world. susie was married to a lovely veterinarian and they had two kids but they were having an affair and they invited me to join their inner-city running

team in the fall and i should bring my horse back in the fall to keep it at susie's and we would keep running and be together. i was very flattered. i adored these guys and look after them terribly. so in the fall, i brought my horse back and i would come every weekend. i would stay at her house. we continued to run together and very quickly, one time she was picking me up at my parents house to bring me to her house and she said, "would you want to stay at ted nash's house on the weekends? he is jealous of our friendship. he wants to spend more time with you." i myself was totally enamored with susie buchanan. she was our god. all of our students wanted to be -- all of the female students wanted to be just like her and so in trying to please her, not

thinking anything of it, i was like, ok. so that evening after we rode at her house, she walked me across the field with my little suitcase to ted nash's house and said, now, you know, we can't tell your parents you are staying at ted's house and i was being very rebellious little kid at that time. it was the early 1970's and i was like, of course, my parents don't understand anything. and we won't tell dr. buchanan, her husband, because he won't understand. i was like, of course not. but i had no idea what i was walking into. to my shock, ted was at the door, he was waiting for us, and she literally left me at the door and there i was alone with ted nash, who i had never been alone with once before and i was a nervous wreck. he took me in his house and show me where i was going to sleep.

his children's room. he was divorced. he had children that came on the weekends. they were not there. showed me his olympic medals. i had never been in his house. showed me a book of poetry we should read. it progressed from there. the thing was, it is classic. at every point, this is the man i trust. this is a god. this is my teacher. it had nothing to do with a love affair in any way, shape, or form. it was so plant by him that he had hidden a condom, which i had never seen, under his pillow. the living room was very cold. he said, let's go in the bedroom to read. it is warmer and there. i forgot to make a fire. i was like, ok, this is someone i trust. remember, i was 13 but i looked

like i was nine. i was completely undeveloped. i had not had my period yet. it was pretty horrific, quite frankly. all the time as a child you are saying, "but i trust him, he is a trusted adult, misses buchanan trust him." this is how sexual abuse happens. nermeen: what you also pointed out in the past, which i don't think most are aware of, over 90% of cases of child sexual abuse, the perpetrator is someone known to the child and very often someone trusted by the child. there is this other dynamic, which were ill demonstrates so well, which is also very common, namely that the child has a feeling even in the midst of this relationship that the child is being selected, somehow

especially loved by this person whom the child trusts. elaborate on the dynamics of that which are extremely insidious and leave long-lasting effects, as your film shows. >> so important you pointed that out. here i was kind of ugly, like i said, girl who was 13 who looked like a nine-year-old boy with braces, by the way, terrible bucked teeth, and here this legend ted nash and this riding teacher whom i adore -- if anything, i was in love with susie buchanan as a little girl. she was the woman like i had never met. anyway, the thing is that they singled me out. they made me feel special. i was invisible at home. i was part of a very large family, very chaotic, quiet.

i was invisible at school. i was numb particularly anything very smart, wasn't pretty. the voice did not notice me. i was shy. here are these two incredible adults who singled me out and said "you are special." i wrote poetry in these data you read it to them. there were like, you are a good runner. they used to call me deep. there were the first adults in my life -- remember, it was the 1970's but i was living in a world where adults were from the 1950's and treated you in a way that was very top-down, talking down to you. here they talked to me like a person. i felt like, oh, my god, this is amazing. amy: jennifer, i want to go back to "the tale" in a scene between you -- well, laura dern playing you come and mother played by alan bersten.

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>> i will never forgethat day. my antna went up. amy: that is alan bersten find jennifer fox's mother. jennifer come in his last minute we have together and then we will do part two and post it online at democracynow.org, if you could talk about your mom's response. he wrote an essay about this when you're 15 and your teacher corrected your grammar. it is quite amazing and says if this is true but i assume it isn't. if you're hoping from this that other people come toward in the case of ted nash and if names come down for example of the rowing whenever the university of pennsylvania athletic center named for ted nash? >> oh, my god, what i'm hoping is his name comes off everything. it is disgusting that you have

what is someone who is abused a child with his name plastered over everything as a god. i hope the truth pushes the university of pennsylvania and everywhere to take his name down. that is my goal here. amy: and more people coming forward. you ended this saying you would not see them again when they wanted you to have a foursome, so there was another girl as well who is going to be involved, and a cancel that because you said no -- as a child. >> the plan was now when ted was sleeping with me, right in our face, he was sleeping with mrs. buchanan, and this is really sad, they were also involving an 18-year-old or 19-year-old college student robin stryker who was quoted in "the times." we were having a threesome --

they wanted to have a foursome and i got sick and canceled it. my point is, ted nash most probably was sleeping with many other young women. i don't know if they were as old as me but they are out there and i hope they come forward. amy: we have to leave it there butxx óróxór[r

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