♪ phil: this is "dw news" live from berlin. @dwnews. vladimir putin breaks his silence about the death of yevgeny prigozhin. he expressed condolences to the family of the wagner mercenary group during his presumed death in a plane crash. it may have been seen as a putin-ordered assassination. also on the program -- ukraine marks 32 years of independence from moscow in the middle of its war with russia, with kyiv

street celebrations featuring a distorted russian military hardware. the country praising its own military operation in russia occupied crimea overnight. donald trump is set to make his trip as the first former president to have a mugshot. the crowds gather as he is expected to surrender to authorities in georgia to face criminal charges, as he stands accused of trying to overturn his 2020 election defeat. ♪ i am phil gayle. welcome to the program. vladimir putin has broken his silence over the plane crash that is presented to of killed the leader of russia's wagner mercenary group. the russian president expressed his condolences to the family of the victims, and described rivkin a promotion as a man who

made serious mistakes, but achieved results. prigozhin had been one of putin's most important allies until june, when he led an armed rebellion against moscow's military leadership. muska authorities say he was listed as a passenger on the flight that crashed on route from moscow to st. petersburg. reporter: 10 people were aboard this aircraft when it crashed northwest of moscow. all of them, seven passengers and three crew members were reportedly killed. russian aviation authorities say wagner group's chief yevgeniy prigozhin was on the passenger list. >> it really depends, whether this is actually the wagner boss or somebody traveling under the name of yevgeniy prigozhin, because we know prigozhin used aliases, or rather, people assumed his name in order to travel as part of his security measures in order to obfuscate, his travel plans and to conceal where he actually was.

reporter: in st. petersburg, reports of his death have spread, and supporters have been gathering to pay tribute to their fallen hero. prigozhin was born in st. petersburg where he later met vladimir putin and give him a close ally. in 2014, he founded the wagner mercenary group, which took its gruesome tactics to countries around the world. and he is accused of committing war crimes in mali, the central african republic, and syria. the wagner group also played a major role in russia's war in ukraine, in capturing bakhmut. in june, prigozhin staged a mutiny against russia's military leadership. it was short-lived, and many observers assumed that after the move, his life was in danger. including u.s. president joe biden. reporter: mr. president, do you have a reaction to the plane crash in russia?

pres. biden: i don't know for fact what happened, but i am not supposed. reporter: -- pres. biden: there's not much that happens that preaching is not behind. but i don't know enough to know the answer. reporter: meanwhile, russia has started a criminal investigation into the plane crash. phil: dw news russia bureau chief tells me more about the russian president's statement. guest: putin seemed pretty nervous to me, and definitely sad. he seems to have searched for words. he praised prigozhin as someone who is talented. he had a difficult feat and made a few mistakes in life, but by all means all means, achieved his goals. at one point putin even got surprisingly personal when he admitted to having none prigozhin personally, since the 1980's. whether well acted or real,

putin sounded sorry for prigozhin's death, in which the russian president apparently believes. phil: so how is the crash being reported there? guest: the state used the state channel to discuss different scenarios, theories and questions of what could've caused the crash. they considered technical defects, private error, and much less assassination. that is at least what the arguably most well-known propagandist discussed on his radio show, wishing revenge on the wagner soldiers whom he called heroes. that demand comes also in some social media channels, first of all in the telegram channels close to prigozhin. all possible evidence is discussed. the message there is that prigozhin's army was respected by the whole world. in's breathless, st. petersburg, people put flowers and candles in front of his former office/

meanwhile, there are rumors that prigozhin is still alive. guest: yes, there were even reports allegedly from his military advisors, who are supposed to have spoken to prigozhin today earlier. but i think will hear many theories and rumors like these. independent media outlets from st. petersburg reported that prigozhin's body has been delivered to the morgue, and now genetic expertise is expected. some of prigozhin's people those socks seem impatient and reported that the gazans body -- that prigozhin's body was identified reportedly. phil: by a missing finger. phil: right. wagner group has been held up as a killing machine, fiercely loyal to their leader who has just died under mysterious circumstances, with president putin, presumed in many spheres to have ordered the hate. his background then worried

about potential reprisals -- is the kremlin worried about potential reprisals? guest: there have been threats on telegram channels. the topic was also raised by the propagandist i mentioned earlier. but i don't see that something like mutiny that happened two months ago is possible again. at least not from the wagner soldiers, should prigozhin actually be dead. i can't imagine at this point that somebody is able to organize such a mutiny. phil: all right, thank you for that, tuyurim in rig as russian authorities investigate the crash, i spoke to an so what does he think happened? guest: it is too early to tell.

investigators are trained to keep all the evidence on the table until evidence suggests otherwise. it is early in the investigation. he literally piecing the puzzle back together and trying to figure out what happened. phil: when he saw the film of his blade jumping from the sky, what was going to your mind? guest: vishnu that is not typical. something obviously happened during the flight. as an investigator, you want to get to the crash site and identify what we call the four corners, the news, detail and the two weeks. if those two components are at the crash site, that typically means everything was together when the plane came down. if something is missing, that could many or possibly dealing with an in-flight breakup. phil: rate, and resell from some of the videos that the tail was separated. what would that indicate? guest: any time you have debris

from an aircraft that does not arrive at the main crash site, that tells you it came off in-flight, and as an investigator, you want to figure out exactly what caused that piece of aircraft to come off in-flight. so if you have the tail in a different location, a few kilometers away, that will be significant to look into. phil: and these planes, they have a good safety record? guest: that is correct, absolutely. phil: ok. so if you're looking for something there, we have a glen logan good safety record, we have a man with powerful enemies and a plane that drops unusually out of the sky. there is obviously going to be a russian investigation. what will you be looking to hear from them, to satisfy yourself that they're doing their jobs pop the -- -- their jobs

properly and that this is not some sort of cover. guest: typically three areas. you want to look into the human element, what role did the pilots or the air traffic controllers play? what role did the mechanics who worked on the aircraft play? then you need to look into the machine itself committing the aircraft, look at how the aircraft was performing. had it been serviced in recent months or days? headed maintenance issues? and finally you want to look into the environment and the weather, anything like that. once again as investigators, we are trained to look into all types of data, because in the days and sometimes weeks after an accident, you really don't know, but the evidence will you do in a certain direction, and more times than not, we are able to figure out what exactly happened to cause an accident. phil: do you think thinking

ahead at whatever russian investigators, birth, capable doubt it and claim some sort of cover up. -- people -- whatever russian investigators come up with, people will doubt it and claim some sort of cover up. guest: i am sure there investigators will get on the scene and they will go through their processes. whatever i talk about accident investigation, i always say that it is like putting a puzzle back together, except sometimes you don't necessarily have all the pieces. it can be a process that you have to go through. but the evidence is going to be there. the metal that this aircraft was made out of, and the crash site, is going to tell you a story. phil: ok, we will wait and see what comes out of this. fascinating talking to you. to ukraine, which has been marking its 32nd independent

today, having declared independence from the soviet union on the 24th of august 1991. the ceremony in kyiv, ukrainian president zelenskyy honor the families of soldiers, presented awards to servicemen, and promised that ukraine would win the war against russia. destroyed military russian hardware was displayed on the streets of the capital. our next guest is a ukrainian opposition lawmaker, and she joins us from kyiv. welcome to two new. happy independence day. what are you feeling, a year and a half after the start of russia's full-scale invasion of your country? guest: hello, phil. thank you so much for having me, and thank you for your congratulations. i would like to use this opportunity also to thank all the people who supported us throughout these 18 months,

because we know definitely that we wouldn't be able to be alive and here if it wasn't for our friends, our allies who kept supporting us. it is so important that we are not alone in this fight. so, on behalf of the ukrainian people, thank you, dear people from all the countries that are supporting us. we truly value that, thank you. phil: thank you. president zelenskyy confirmed to do that ukrainian forces landed in russian occupied crimea, engaged in combat, and planted the ukrainian flag. was that an irresponsible stunt to mark this day of independence? guest: i think it was rather symbolic than it had military strategic value, but i am not a military expert. i can only say that today, the

fact that our forces reminded the whole world that we will keep fighting for all of our territories, including crimea. because crimea is ukraine. our goal did not change throughout the past 18 months, to regain all of our territories. the borders that were accepted internationally, the borders of 1991. that we wouldn't leave no man behind. so today was one of the ways of showing the world our intentions. phil: so what if someone had been killed in this symbolic act? what if ukrainian forces had suffered injuries and deaths? guest: you know, right now, what we can do as noncombatants, we can only trust in our military

generals, and believe that they will do the best they can. they have proven themselves, and whatever we see through their actions is they are trying to minimize their losses from our side. because you see, there is a huge difference of military strategy. russia is using people. and there were that we can fight, which can be on a opposite way. as of right now, almost 85% of ukrainian families have somebody fighting at the front. so for us, it is very emotional. everything that is happening. with the counteroffensive and without the military operations. phil: a quick word on reports from the region we dear that norway has become the third country to offer ukraine f-16

fighter jets. you must be very pleased. guest: we are pleased. because there are two particular reasons why we need the fighter jets. one is, of course, to fight. you know that no nato countries would start any operation without the donation in disguise. we unfortunately had to fight without it for 18 months. we didn't have a choice. but there is additional need for f-16 jets. it is to protect our peaceful cities. to add an additional layer of protection for all the people going to bed right now and don't know if they would look up in the morning because russia keeps terrorizing us almost every single night. so for us, it is not that we like fighter jets or we want fighter jets, it is literally a matter of life and

death, and we need fighter jets to arrive in the ukraine asap. phil: thank you so much for joining us, ukrainian opposition lawmaker akira ludic. guest: thank you. phil: we will take a look at more stories from around the world -- the media in norway is announcing the country plans to donate f-16 fighter jets to ukraine. if confirmed, nor we would be the third country to kyiv, following denmark and the netherlands. several more countries have joined in an effort to train ukrainian pilots. a court in moscow has extended the arrest of journalist evan gershkovich. the u.s. government says he has been unlawfully detained. the brics group of countries is to expand with a further six

countries invited to join. argentina, egypt, iran, saudi arabia and the united arab emirates. brics leaders held a three-day summit in johannesburg to discuss expanding the bloc as a counterweight dozens of election observers as the general election stretches into its second day. many arrested are from organizations who wanted to provide an independent vote count. of position parties condemned the arrest spend warned that the election results may be disputed. to the united states or in a few hours donald trump is set to hang himself to authorities in atlanta, georgia, over charges that he illegally schemes to overturn the 2020 election result. it will be the fourth time this year the former u.s. president has been booked on criminal charges. the indictments relates to his handling of classified

documents, is a role in the failed january 6 assault on the capitol, and the payment of hush money. he denies any wrongdoing and has condemned the cases as politically motivated. mister trump is the early front-runner for the republican presidential nomination in the 2024 election. not to outside the fulton county jail in atlanta, or mister trump is set to present himself. -- now let's join our correspondent outside of the fulton county jail in atlanta, where mister trump is said to present himself. reporter: i say hello to you from the back of the fulton county jail. why is that? here is where a few handfuls of trump supporters have gathered to support their former president when he is making, so to speak, a land full here in the fulton county jail, about two and a half hours from now. everything is peaceful, there is a lot of law enforcement, the

atlanta police department, the sheriff, county sheriff, fbi and secret service involved, to keep it safe and peaceful. and here is where we are right now. everybody is waiting. you can also assume, and i guarantee you that is the case even if you can't see it, tons of media here. the situation is expected to be a bit more crowded in the next two hours, before the president shows up to get processed in the jail. phil: so what will happen when he arrives? new nate when he arrives, he has to, according to the sheriff, do what everybody does who will have to face -- when he is processed in the fulton county joe prude that means there will be a mugshot taken. there were others. 18 co-defendants with donald trump. most of them have already appeared here. they got their fingerprints taken, they were advised about procedures, and they gotta

mugshot taken. lots of mugshots already there. the latest to expect now is from mark meadows, former chief of staff for president trump. and yesterday's, of course, america's mayor, rudy giuliani, was also present with a mugshot. donald trump will not be spared the mugshot and the fingerprinting. phil: ok, he will get it framed and put it in his downstairs loo. reporter: it's a special one, because it is a 98--page indictment, 41 counts. enter the keyword -- criminal enterprise. that is the keyword in this indictment. all those 19, including former president donald trump, all of those 19 defendants are accused of entertaining, working in a criminal -- engaging in a criminal enterprise with one

goal, to alter the presidential election results from 2020 here in georgia. and of course that is racketeering. that makes it very special. why? because it carries mandatory -- exclamation point -- mandatory prison time. this is the fourth indictment, we think. all four carry prison sentences if donald trump, or his co-conspirators like mark meadows or rudy giuliani are found guilty, but there is no mandatory prison term. but here there is a mandatory prison term, meaning former president trump could go to jail if found guilty in time before the presidential election proved so that is the issue here, timing. when does the process start question what windows you get before a judge? we will see that.

phil: thank you to our correspondent in atlanta. as many as 600,000 people were killed in the war in northern ethiopia, one of the worlds deadliest conflicts of recent times. the two year conflict saw rape and sexual violence used as weapons of war as ethiopian troops fought to grand forces. in november, a dealer was signed to end the fighting, but since that day, the life of 116-year-old girl was completed shattered. you might find some of the accounts in this next report distressing. reporter: the second of november 2022, just a few hours before the war into gray was declared over. a war that devastated millions of lives. but for hadas, the worst was yet to come. on that date a 16-year-old was at home with her mother in tigray when and if you can soldier demanded to be let in. for her protection, we have

changed her name. >> he entered the house alone, carrying a stick with him. there was another soldier with a going away outside. he tried to take me to the bush, but he refused. he told me he had a knife and a handgun and he beat me with a stake. reporter: she still has nightmares of what happened next. over the course of several hours, he raped her multiple times. the attack left her bleeding heavily. she managed to get basic care at a nearby hospital, but desperately need psychological care too, she says,. >> they should be held accountable. not only for me, but for all the victims of rape. guest: in tigray's capital, this hospital medical director has been struggling to provide care for patients like hadas for the last two years. >> we don't have any logistical education, we don't have any chronic medications.

we can only provide 10% or 20% of the medications these patients need. reporter: he had hopes that things would quickly change after ethiopia's government and the tigrayan forces assigned to peace deal in november of 2022. >> i would expect these things to be provided. and the patients can't wait. they are dying every day and they are having many complications everyday. reporter: preventable deaths. people will make it here at just the tip of the iceberg, because only a few can afford the transport costs. they were so overwhelmed at the nearby referral hospital, that he had to open a new unit to treat the victims of sexual violence. >> there were so many gang rapes, so many forward materials inserted into their genitalia without exaggeration. i literally cried writing some of the stories. it is really worrisome to see these kind of cases as a medical doctor, and at the same time as a human being.

reporter: they have treated over 1000 rape cases here since the beginning of the war, he says. the victims say perpetrators were if european and eritrean soldiers, as well as local militia -- ethiopian and eritrean soldiers, as well as local militia. phil: fifa has announced that their opening investigation proceedings against the president of the spanish federation luis rubiales. he has been criticized for kissing a spanish player on the lips following the team's world cup final victory over england on sunday. rubio lists initially. down his actions, but has since apologized -- ruby alice initially played down his actions, but he has since apologized. american tennis player john isner has announced he will retire following the u.s. open which begins monday. the 38-year-old is known for his powerful serve, heavy hit more than 18,000 cases during his career. he also took part in the longest

tennis given history, when he defeated nicholas mahood after more than 11 hours of much time in wimbledon in 2010. here is our remainder of the top story, russian president vladimir putin expressed his condolences over that plane crash in which the head of the wagner mercenary group is believed to have been killed. you described yevgeny prigozhin as a man who made mistakes, but achieved results. more world news is at the top of the hour. we will be back in just a moment with "the day" to dig into the big stories of "the day," including more on the presumed death of yevgeniy prigozhin, and donald trump appearing in georgia. have a good day. ♪

>> donald trump is to surrender to law enforcement to face charges and try to fix the election results. he has apparently chosen to hand himself in to coincide with prime time tv viewing. we have a reporter on the spot in atlanta. we will be discussing with this could mean for trump and his belief he has the right to run again for president. vladimir putin says yevgeny prigozhin is dead. the head of the wagner group who let the mutiny in june was reportedly aboard the flight

that crashed in moscow. authorities say the likely cause was an explosion, and it was intentional. ukraine soldiers launched an incursion into occupied crimea to raise their national flag, an operation on ukraine's independence day today as a mark ukraine intends to take back the peninsula annexed by russia in 2014. the former president of the u.s. has apparently chosen to have himself -- to turn himself in deliberately in prime time to maximize publicity. trump and 18 other space 41 felony counts including racketeering and meddling with election counts.

donald trump's mugshot is on its way. to analyze the situation, we go first to our correspondent in atlanta. tell us more about how things are where you are. >> there have been trump supporters and lots and lots of media. the amount of trump supporters has only grown ever since the day progressed. lots of activity. we are still a couple of hours before donald trump is set to surrender himself to be arrested essentially at this fulton county jail. we don't know how exactly the process will happen because donald trump is, of course, still under secret service protection. there may be adjustments to his personal experience in jail, but we do know how it went with other codefendants, who have been surrendering themselves these past few days. so far this week, we know these

defendants arrived at fulton county jail. they were asked to show their id past rooms filled with people waiting to post bail. it was then scanned for weapons. a county jail employee then read the charges allowed. they had their fingerprints scanned electronically and a mug was taken. they were free to leave about 25 minutes earlier because all these codefendants were released on bail. we still don't know if things will happen exactly that way for donald trump, but we do know he is scheduled to land in atlanta at 6:40 p.m. he did post on his truth social account that he would be arrested here in atlanta at 7:30. >> thank you. we will come back to you in a moment. let's bring in a former federal prosecutor and often legal analyst here on france 24. in terms of what we are going to see, trump expected at this

certain time, and trump has chosen this to coincide with prime time tv. give us your take on that. >> yes, it is very typical trumpian behavior in that he cannot change the fundamental aspect of it, which is that he is being booked and arrested and subjected to the indignities that any criminal defendant is for serious alleged criminal conduct, so he is trying to take advantage of it by portraying himself as the victim, even a mortar -- even a martyr to garner support among his fan base, so to speak, the militants in his party would have really taken over the party and have vaulted him to first place in the party nomination. he will seek to fund raise of this and derive any benefit he can. fundamentally, it is flipping the basis of this on its head by saying no, i am not the one here

who apparently has committed crimes. it is the people that are accusing me that have committed crimes. this is what he is trying to convey. >> stay with us, please. eric they are talking about the possibility of obviously trump really capitalizing on the fact that this will be on primetime tv. give us a sense of the immediate interest of people around you that -- there. >> it is nothing new that donald trump has always done what he could to remain in the spotlight throughout his presidency, throughout the campaign, and of course, in his years as a businessman. let's talk about what happened last night. it was the first republican presidential debate of the 2024 presidential campaign. we know now that donald trump did not take part in that debate. he decided to take part in a prerecorded interview with tucker carlson, which was broadcast on twitter at 8:55

p.m., so anything to basically upstage his potential competitors in next year's election. as you mentioned, he is deciding to do this in primetime hours. he is scheduled to be arrested at 7:30 pm there is some exposure that i'm sure donald trump would rather not have had, and that is the mugshot, the picture everyone is awaiting here. many of his critics will highlight the historic aspect of it, the fact that this is a first time a former president has had a mugshot taken on legal matters. of course, trump cannot change the fundamental aspects of what is happening to him, but he will seek to take advantage, and believe me, it is certain that his supporters will use that mugshot to show that he is being persecuted. we saw this morning a man holding up a sign, a picture up donald trump next to nelson mandela, and the picture read "political prisoners." >> indeed, that one is quite a leap. they seem to be a lot of people

behind you. tell us a little about that. >> of course, they are very happy to be here. we have spoken to several people who have driven from hours, people from mississippi, people from just outside new orleans -- don't quote me on my geography, but that is i think a little over 10 hours of driving. people taking several days out of their daily scheduled to come here to show support for the former president. we spoke to a lot of people. everyone says he is innocent. we saw one woman holding a sign saying the only thing donald trump was guilty of was being awesome, but many people say the last line of defense of the department of justice is donald trump, which means the next thing to fall is themselves and that the department of justice will come after them after donald trump. >> standing by in atlanta where donald trump is expected to arrive shortly.

what does this mean for trump? in terms of the cases he is facing, i think maybe the viewers watching this may get indictment fatigue in a sense. give us a sense of what this case means and how serious it could be. >> sure. indictment fatigue may be a phenomenon, but that should not take away from the extraordinary seriousness of this and the extraordinary seriousness of what trump is actually being charged with. he is being charged with in essence ending democracy in united states. he is being charged with trying to steal an election himself by proclaiming the opposite and trying to install himself as effectively big king or dictator of the united states -- effectively a king or dictator of the united states by subverting the democratic process.

even more disturbingly, he is being charged with being a head of a criminal enterprise, a kingpin, which in this case, includes 18 other named co-conspirators, plus approximately 20 others, all of which were acting as sort of a tentacle to orchestrate his scheme to keep himself in power indefinitely without regard to the existing laws of the land. it is very serious. the big question is -- can this possibly go to trial and be concluded before the election? that is what is really uncertain at this time. a trial of this magnitude will take several months most likely, and it will be at a minimum, several months, it seems. we could talk about what is at play, but it will be at least several months before it starts, and that is in this case in atlanta. we have a somewhat more streamlined version of it that was indicted several weeks ago at the federal level in

washington by special counsel jack smith. in that case, trump is the only defendant, which minimizes the complications from having to accommodate all of his co-conspirators in the same proceeding. he is also charged with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to obstruct congress because of these efforts to keep himself in power permanently. so those are the two proceedings -- one federal and one state -- which involve trump and his efforts to remain in power illegally. in addition to that, we have the stolen documents case under the espionage act in florida, which has also been charged and the original case that was charged, which is the simplest, which involves the hush-money payments that he made in order to boost himself in the electoral campaign that first installed him in 2016. these are all the cases he had, but this one here is going to

carry -- when he is convicted, it's going to carry mandatory minimum sentences to simplify it of at least many years in jail for trump. also because it is a state and not federal, it is outside the purview of the pardon power if trump or a republican ally becomes president. they would not be able in this case as they could in the other case to extend a pardon to trump to get him out of the criminal consequences of a conviction. that being said, there is other complications, but is it's all extraordinarily serious for donald trump and he is literally in a race for his life in this electoral campaign that's coming up. >> thank you for that clarity and giving us that real sense of what we should expect. thank you both. we are watching for developments, of course. let's move onto vladimir putin

saying this thursday from the kremlin that yevgeny prigozhin is dead. the russian president says there will be full investigation of the aircraft in which prigozhin was killed. russia saying there was an explosion and it was most likely intentional. putin also publicly gave condolences to prigozhin's family. >> it wasn't official confirmation from vladimir putin, but when asked about the head of the wagner military group, the russian president spoke of yevgeny prigozhin in the past tense. >> i knew prigozhin for a very long time, since the early 1990's. he was a man with a complex destiny, and he made serious mistakes in life. he achieved the results he

needed, both for himself, and when i asked him for the common cause as in these last months. he was a talented person, a talented businessman. >> questions continue to swirl since wednesday's plane crash northwest of moscow. prigozhin was on a passenger list and is presumed to be among the 10 people who were killed. the u.s. and other officials said that initial intelligence reports indicate that an explosion on board may have brought down the plane, a theory consistent with witnesses who said they heard a series of blasts before the plane spiraled down from above. the crash happening two months to the day that putin's former ally led a short-lived and extraordinarily -- extraordinary mutant against the kremlin -- short-lived and extraordinary mutiny against the kremlin.

some say it was a betrayal that could have cost prigozhin his life. >> it seems that what took place two months just after the mutiny is a little bit like revenge served cold by putin. >> with wagner's troops spread across ukraine, africa, and the middle east, there are questions about the future of the mercenary group and what happens next. >> ukraine's intelligence agency says it's special forces landed in crimea where they engage in combat. they call it a special operation to raise the ukraine flat in crimea for ukraine's independence day, which is today. kyiv has repeatedly said it aimed to take back crimea, which is recognized internationally as part of ukraine but annexed by russia in 2014. this is the second independence

day since russia's full-scale invasion. local people have been once more remembering their fall and loved ones. -- fallen loved ones. >> it is important to be here. it is a way to make sure people don't forget what is happening in the country, to see with their own eyes the horror and devastation across the country. >> this is my country. i'm proud to be able to be here now in free kyiv. it is in honor for me. i'm grateful to the soldiers who protect us. >> we believe in europe, a just europe, which is helping us. but we have to persevere. it will be a great victory for us. >> for more news, stay with us. you are watching france 24. ♪

>> hello. today on "encore," a tour around paris' must-see exhibition, including an artist whose work has taken them to more than 100 countries. >> thank you for having me here. >> welcome to the show. it is a pleasure to have you. you have teamed with france's most renowned cartoonist. describe the show. >> as you say, he is probably one of the best in the world, and we have been looking to each other over the years.

my photographs and his cartoons that were similar telling the same story, one satire and cartoon and the other one photography. putting this together, it has created a new image after looking to humanity, looking to the stories, and that is why it is innovation. it is a new way of looking to the stories. >> it certainly looks unique. let's take a look. hear from some people who have visited the exhibition. ♪ >> i have always liked his work. i thought it was a really good idea to pair him with a photographer who produces works in the same vein.

the juxtaposition between the illustrations and photos are just wonderful. i was particularly drawn to this image of africa. he saw in the photo the african continent and underlined it in a humorous fashion. this humor we find throughout the exhibition. i like the one with the man eating a burger and next to him, we see a woman with rice. it really shows the difference in comfort levels between continents. >> you cover lots of different themes. talk to us about the work mentioned by the young woman at the end, they work about the burger, showing the burger. >> traveling the world to be in touch with the other part of the world, humanity that is suffering, the humanity that is under war, the humanity that is

in conflict. it is almost more than 75 percent of humanity in this situation. as a witness, it is my duty, my responsibility to bring to this part of the world, to europe, the western world, to show how other people are living because creating empathy is the work i'm trying to do, bring the people together. i'm trying to create a bridge by creating two different worlds, two different nations, two different cultures. that's exactly what we are trying to do with our photography, with our cartoons or putting together. we are very optimistic about the future of humanity. i personally believe humanity will be saved.

>> it is very refreshing to hear that. as a photojournalist, you have been at the forefront of world news for three decades. tell us about one experience that has really touched you. i mean, there's a lot to choose from. >> every time for me seeing someone suffering, every time i see a child crying, every time i see a dead person, for me, it is like the first times i see these things. it always touches my heart and soul very deeply, and i always have them. one of the scenes i never forget was during the siege of sarajevo where you had hundreds of snipers all around the city and shooting everybody, and so dangerous even to move. one day, i saw a little girl on the street, around the wall.

i went close to her, and i saw she had some dolls around her, and i said, what are you doing here? dangerous. and she said, i'm selling my dolls because my grandmother is so hungry and has not eaten for four days, and i want to sell my dolls to make some money to buy bread. this is when the snipers shooting everybody moving in the city. this is part of the siege that i can see in the worst situation of humanity, and this little girl, she showed me the incredible humanity that exists in the humans. this little girl that exists in this situation. in danger, she is thinking of her grandmother, and she's ready to pass her dolls. that's why i believe in the

future of humanity. >> it is very touching to hear you speaking because you have seen so many things and you remain so optimistic. in recent months, we have been watching the uprisings in iran. how has that been for you as an iranian living in france? >> iran is the biggest prison in the world, actually. the whole of iran is a prison and a prisoner is the iranian nation, iranian people. the prison guards are the revolutionary guards. they are all criminal. they have a list of hundreds of thousands of people they have killed and they are still killing, but why am optimistic about the future, because this is the last generation of the iranian that believes in the islamic republic. this is the last generation of the iranian that will accept

anymore having religious and government together. this is the end of it. iran will never, ever accept giving any job to religious people. it is gone. the same with a happened in europe that state and religion were separated. this is the first revolution in the history done by the woman. not only iran but in afghanistan, the same things. against taliban. who are the people on the street against taliban? the afghan woman. it is happening again in an incredible way. we had woman in a suit on, we had woman in lebanon. in many of these countries, that the women were oppressed by islamic laws, but islamic rules. now they are the one upfront and fighting it, and that is why it

is important for us, for everybody that believes in democracy, that believes in freedom, wherever we are, we have to support this revolution. it is a revolution that is going to change the whole world because when the woman will take power, they will be no war. i believe it. >> it is a pleasure to have you on the show. thank you very much for being here. your exhibition is on until december 31. there's also a book with the same name available. next, street art and graffiti are in the spotlight in an exhibition in paris and tokyo. visitors will be able to discover the works of some 60 artists. it is an opportunity to discover the relationship of graffiti to contemporary art.

>> in 2012, i inaugurated the project along with around 100 graffiti artists. we took over ventilation ducts, smoking stacks, storage space. this wraps up our 10-year intervention which was more or less invisible, but this time, we are taking over the official exhibition space. >> i started in the 1980's in public spaces doing graffiti work. we wanted to reach a different audience, so we started working on new formats. in particular, can best, but all the while making sure to keep up the energy of the street. this space where we are confronted by reality. >> the expo is titled "the bite of the termites" as a reference

to an italian writer who published a book called "invisible cities." ultimately, the focus of the expo is the city. it is about artists who can confront public spaces in a social, political, or entirely artistic way. >> a crack appeared in paris in the 1990's and particularly affected the afro-caribbean population. i saw that. it is what inspired me to do this work. >> there so many things you can do within the setting of a city. i wanted to do something in-depth. i kept street energy, but these days, it is all about connecting with other people who work differently. it is a way of trying to transform yourself. >> i'm including potential and space within the drawing.

i knew he will destroy them and cut them and transform them completely. >> we will leave you with an unmissable artistic exhibition down paris' street art avenue. if you stroll along paris' canal in the north of the city, you can see more than 30 majestic works on show stretched out for around five kilometers. thanks for watching. see you next time.

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