amy: from the republican national convention in milwaukee, this is democracy now! >> i raise my right arm, looked at the thousands and thousands of people that were restlessly waiting and started shouting fight, flight, flight -- fight,

fight. amy: president trump accepts the republican presidential nomination days after surviving an attempted assassination. he took the stage thursday with a white bandage on his ear. trump repeatedly attacked immigrants, accused the democrats of cheating in the 2020 election and blasted president biden by name. >> if you took the 10 worst presidents in the history of the united states, the 10 worst, added them up, they will not have done the damage that biden has done. amy: we will speak to bishop william barber of the poor peoples campaign. then we will look at why trump and other speakers at the rnc never said the word abortion. we will talk to amy littlefield, abortion access correspondent at the nation. and we will speak about the recent killings of two black men here in milwaukee, samuel sharpe and d'vontaye mitchell.

a major march was held yesterday. all that and more, coming up. welcome to democracy now, democracynow.org. this is war, peace and the presidency: breaking with convention. we are broadcasting from milwaukee, wisconsin. i'm amy goodman. donald trump took to the stage to close out the republican national convention here in milwaukee last night. in the longest ever speech recorded at a party convention, trump formally accepted the republican nomination. as in previous campaign addresses, trump promised to “launch the largest deportation operation in the history of our country” and “drill, baby, drill.” we'll have more from the rnc after headlines.

meanwhile on the democratic side, several outlets are reporting democratic insiders believe “we're close to the end" of biden's presidential run and that he could step down as soon as this weekend. montana senator jon tester, who is in a close reelection bid, became the second democratic senator to call on president biden to drop out of the race. this comes as the washington post reports former president obama has privately told allies that biden should reconsider staying in the race. biden is now in self-isolation after coming down with covid. a russian court just convicted wall street journal reporter evan gershkovich of espionage, sentencing him to 16 years in prison. gershkovich, a u.s. citizen, was tried behind closed doors. he was arrested over one year ago and accused of spying on a

military factory for the cia, charges the wall street journal slammed as baseless. wall street journal called the conviction disgraceful and a sham. earlier this week, russia said it's holding talks with the u.s. on a possible prisoner swap involving evan gershkovich. in gaza, israel has bombed another u.n. school in gaza city -- it's at least the ninth un school shelter israel has attacked in the past two weeks. deadly attacks have also been reported in the bureij and nuseirat refugee camps, killing at least 13 palestinians. in khan younis, health officials exhumed and transferred the bodies of at least 12 palestinians who were killed when israel attacked and besieged the red crescent-run al-amal hospital earlier this year. the mother of one of the victims traveled from gaza city to retrieve her son's body. >> he was martyred at the red

crescent hospital. they shot him when he had a loaf of bread for him which he had to beg for. they shot him in the and in the head. he was just thrown there all day long. they were not able to move him. they pulled him with a rope when they brought him to be buried here. i was able to know his whereabouts. they informed me that my son died. i risked my life to come here from gaza city but i said if i die, i will die. i put a piece of paper on my chest with my name on it and i kept on walking, asking around until i reached here. amy: a new report by oxfam finds israel has used water as a weapon of war -- with gaza's water supplies plummeting by 94% over the past 10 months due to israel's blockades and non-stop bombardment. even before oct. 7, gazans'

access to water was severely restricted. the destruction of gaza's water treatment plants has forced people to resort to using sewage-contaminated water containing pathogens that lead to diarrhea -- which is especially deadly for children -- and diseases like cholera, dysentery, hepatitis a, and typhoid. meanwhile palestinian health authorities say the polio virus has been found in sewage samples from gaza. in the occupied west bank, local news is reporting illegal israeli settlers have attacked multiple palestinian towns, including beit jala, where settlers stormed a school and raised palestinian flags. israeli forces and settlers have stepped up their attacks on the occupied west bank since oct. 7, killing over 500 palestinians. meanwhile the u.k. announced it is resuming funding to unrwa. britain's new foreign minister,

david lammy, said the u.k. will provide 21 million pounds to the agency. britain joined the u.s. and others in pausing its funding in january after israel made unsubstantiated claims that unrwa staffers were involved in october 7, also on israel. rwanda's electoral commission confirmed president paul kagame has been re-elected for a fourth term with over 99% of support following monday's vote. kagame has been in power since 2000, making him the only elected president of rwanda since the 1994 genocide, during which up to 1 million tutsis and moderate hutus were killed by militia members. ahead of the election, rwandan courts banned kagame's biggest rivals from running. rights groups have called out kagame's sweeping crackdown on the press and dissent, as well as his backing of m23 rebels in the democratic republic of congo, who have been accused of widespread abuses.

in peru, indigenous leaders have declared a state of emergency following the killing of mariano isacama feliciano, leader of the kakataibo community, whose body was found sunday with signs of torture after being missing for over three weeks. indigenous leaders are also calling on foreign governments to stop enabling the violence through their invasion and exploitation of the amazon. this is jorge perez, president of the interethnic association for the development of the peruvian rainforest. >> we declare a permanent state of emergency for the government's negligence demonstrated with 24 days of inaction after the disappearance of brother feliciano, leader of the kakataibo people. 35 leaders have been killed for defending their ancestral

territory, for defending the amazon. we urge major changes to end the crimes and threats against indigenous defenders. amy: in other news from peru, a new report by amnesty international finds president dina boluarte is likely criminally responsible for the killing of 50 people during major protests between december 2022 and march 2023, following the overthrow of leftist president pedro castillo. another 1,400 were injured in the brutal crackdown by armed forces and police. on thursday, amnesty presented its findings in lima, alongside relatives of some of those killed in the dec. 15 protest. this is yovana mendoza, who lost her brother and now runs an organization representing other grieving family members. >> they have shot in order to

kill. at no time have they only wanted to disperse the people. no, they have shot to kill. they were shooting straight at the body. they were shooting with firearm projectiles at our relatives and also at the survivors who are now suffering in their home. amy: and in new york, organizers say more than 1,000 uber and lyft drivers marched in the streets this week to protest the companies' unfair pay rules. uber has started locking workers out of the app during low demand periods in order to avoid paying them for "idle time" between rides. lyft is threatening to do the same. workers say this not only costs them wages, but makes it impossible to have a reliable work schedule. the anti-worker move was implemented as a workaround to new york city rules that require rideshare companies to pay drivers when they are on the clock, even if they are not actively driving around passengers. unionized drivers say they could go on strike unless the policy ends.

>> uber is just a corporation, capitalist. they don't care about your well-being. amy: and a quick correction. israeli settlers raised israeli flags after invading the occupied west bank town, not palestinian flags. and those are some of the headlines. this is democracy now, democracynow.org, war, peace and the presidency: breaking with convention. coming up, as donald trump accepts the presidential nomination for a third time, we will speak to bishop william barber of the poor people's campaign. ♪ [music break]

amy: "reagan is for the rich man" by louisiana red. this is democracy now. democracy now.org. war, peace and the presidency: breaking with convention. we are broadcasting from milwaukee, wisconsin after the last evening of the republican national convention. i am amy goodman. nermeen: and i'm nermeen shaikh. welcome to our listeners and viewers across the country and around the world. donald trump accepted the republican nomination on thursday night, just five days after surviving an assassination attempt . trump gave the longest expect -- exception speech in history, clocking in at over 90 minutes. he began by recounting what happened in butler, pennsylvania on saturday when a bullet grazed his right ear as he was giving a speech. he went on to repeatedly demonize migrants who seek refuge in the united states. he also attacked president biden by name despite a claim by

campaign aides that he would not do so during the speech. >> then we had that horrible, horrible result that we will never let happen again, the election results, we will never let that happen again. they use covid to cheat. never going to let that happen again. they took off all the sanctions and did everything possible for iran. now iran is very close to having a nuclear weapon which we have never had. this is a shame what this administration, the damage that this administration has done, and i say it often. if you take the 10 worst presidents in the history of the united states, the 10 worst, add them up, they will not have done the damage that biden has done. only going to use the term once, biden. not going to do it anymore, just one time. the damage he has done to this country is unthinkable. amy: we are joined by bishop

william barber national co-chair , of the poor people's campaign president and senior lecturer at , repairers of the breach and founding director of the center for public theology & public policy at yale divinity school. he is co-author of the new book "white poverty: how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy." bishop barber, welcome back to democracynow. why don't we start off with your response to the republican convention of this week. one of the big takeaways of this convention, as republicans talked about unity, is unifying people against marginalized communities, particularly throughout the week, speaker after speaker vilified everyone from immigrants to trans students. >> amy, thank you for having me.

you are exactly right. it was a unity of rejection. rejection of people in american society, rejecting those who are against a woman's right to choose. you have to read the whole platform. against immigrants. also what they didn't say. there was no conversation about the poor, 140 one million low-wage people in this country. this was a unity against labor rights, voting rights, unity against living wages. unity against health care for all. this was a very extreme convention, even though we had just gone through an attempted assassination, which i renounced violence, praying for the president and his family, all of them. but it is almost as if it didn't happen. they went to the podium and the

mic. they may have toned down their voices but they didn't tone down their extreme policies. nermeen: bishop barber, your book that is just out is titled "white poverty: how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy." talk about what you think ought to have been said throughout the convention on the crisis of poverty in the country that t transcends race. >> when we are talking about white poverty, often times we talk about poverty in the media, somebody puts up a picture of a black woman on welfare which is dismissive of tens of millions of white people. 26 million global people, about 68% of the population. 66 million low income white people.

but there is this an to marginalize poverty and not addressing the issue, when in fact, it impacts 140 million people across this country. poverty kills 800 people a day, 290,000 people a year, the fourth leading cause of death. and it is solvable through living wages and child tax credits, health care for all, fully funded education. but we didn't hear at this convention that should have been heard, how are you going to address these issues? that was the failure of the first debate. pour in low-wage people are 40% of the electorate in battleground states. the first debate didn't as either candidate, but will you do about living wages, earned income tax credit, what will you do about making sure that people have paid family leave, health care, social safety programs for the disabled and hurting? how will you address this american crisis?

how will you address this epidemic of policy that comes through poverty and not addressing it? none of that was raised. how will you address voting rights? in the republican platform, it is addressed by not addressing it or saying that they are against it. we will wait to see the democratic platform. that is a failure of our society to have debate after debate, convention after convention, and write off over a 43% of the adults in this country, over 51% of our children. nermeen: bishop barber, to go back to another point that you make in your book, you say the shared experience of poverty has the potential to unite a movement for genuine change. as you were saying earlier, the rhetoric through the convention has been one of division. i would like to ask you about one specific claim that trump

made in his speech last night about jobs, americans, american citizens allegedly losing jobs to migrants. he said in effect that 107% of those jobs are taken by illegal aliens, leaving aside the fact that 107% is impossible. he makes the distinction that it is the black population and the hispanic population, it is their job that migrants are taking. if you could explain what you think the effect and the purpose of this kind of rhetoric is? this constant division between groups. >> in white poverty, we talk about how there is this mythology that you make poverty a black or brown issue, and you split people.

i think they call it positive polarization in the so-called southern strategy. whether you are in appalachia and are poor, or in the delta and are poor, you cannot pay your light bill, in essence, we are all in the dark. we need to bind people together. what he did was a slick way of pitting people against each other, black and brown people, you should be against immigrants. you cannot be 107%. his facts are off. his policies cost us jobs. his tariff policies cost regular people, we lost some 300,000 jobs. his refusal to support health care cost us jobs. when you pass universal health care, not only does it keep people healthy, but it also provides jobs. refusal to pass living wages hurt 55 million people who make

less than $15 an hour in this country. his refusal to raise the minimum wage. he once said that $7.25 was too high. what trump was trying to do is play this division against one another, black jobs versus white jobs versus brown jobs, rather than uniting people. that is the thing about this convention. what we saw is, he never got the majority of the american people. he won through the electoral college. he said that god was on his side when he was not killed. thank god he was not killed, we have to renounce that violence. but here is the other theological side. if god is on your side, how do your policies reflect that? god cares about the poor, the least of us. throughout the scripture, cares about the worker. what he engaged in after saying

god was on his side, was he lied over and over again, engaged in idolatry. i have never heard the likes of this idolatry. and i alone can fix the economy. and i alone can prevent war. he attacked president biden with the worst 10 presidents combined. he didn't tell the truth about how his policies actually hurt poor and working people. he is against labor rights, union rights, against living wages. over and over again, lie after lie, he would not talk about what is in the platform so the american people could hear. i am deeply concerned when you say god is on your side -- which we are thankful for the grace of god -- but when the roosevelt was shot, after he was shot, he

promoted living wages. when franklin delano is about was almost assassinated, he promoted a new deal, social security. when kennedy was killed, johnson went to push the voting rights act, civil rights act. the question is what you do, if you receive grace, how do your policies reflect the grace that you claim to receive? i didn't hear a lot of that in the speech we heard last night. amy: other speakers on the final night of the republican national convention included former fox host tucker carlson. while he made no mention of trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election, carlson claimed donald trump is trying to the united states. >> from the famous escalator ride nine years ago until today on donald trump's public life has been to remind us of one fact which is a leader's duty is

to his people, to his country, and no other. that is the point. another word for this is democracy. democracy, in case you are a little sick of being beaten in the face with democracy on television, actual democracy is the proposition that the citizens of a country owned that country. they are not renters,serfs, they are the owners of the country. for that to be true, their leaders have to represent them. on way of saying that they have to do with the people want them to do. or a close approximation thereof. but if they completely ignore what people want, not just one year but generationally, for 50 years, it is not a democracy. so i think the entire trump project paradoxically, attacking an enemy, is returning democracy to the united states. amy: that was tucker carlson

addressing the republican national convention. he was forced out at fox news. bishop barber, respond to what he said. >> i can see why he was forced out. i just call it lying. people say twisting words. you had a lot of people speak at that convention who had called trump everything from an american hitler, that is what j.d. vance said, tucker carlson and others had negative things to say. now they say he is the keeper of democracy. you lied about an insurrection. protecting democracy? no. you claim voter fraud when there is not. you put justices on the supreme court who uphold voter suppression rather than stop it. no. your party has been the party that has produced over 1000 steakhouses to suppress the vote. you stand up and say you and you

alone. that doesn't sound like the people, it sounds like you. you push policies that are against the majority of americans. americans want universal health care. they are not pushing for that. the majority of americans want those things. what you have is the ability to engage in smoke and mirrors. my grandmother used to have a saying, you can put lipstick on a pig but it is still a pig. the danger of that is lying with such a straight face. to be the antithesis of one thing. to name something, as many extremist do, claiming themselves as the freedom party, but you participate in the policies that are against freedom. it is a lesson in hypocrisy at the deepest level, what we saw during this convention. and it doesn't matter if your voice is quiet, you claim to do unity and are not screaming, hollering.

the substance was so subversive to this experiment of democracy. if i might say, i am praying for democrats now, as they are talking about what they are going to do and their candidate. as a private citizen, i support the biden-harris ticket, but i'm concerned about how they are processing asking the president, you ought to step down, because the polls. polls don't vote. that is not a part of the constitution. because of your age. we don't have an age requirement. they are saying that you ought to step down because of health. health, in and of itself, is not a cause to step down. if that was the case, theodore roosevelt, lincoln, nor kennedy would have qualified. we have a process in place. one, if you want to run during

the primary. two, we have the 25th amendment. three, the president can step down in the vice president takes over. that is why we have a vice president. this notion of calling someone to step out, opening up the convention because they are threatening to take money back, talking about polls in july and august is very concerning, because of the way it undermine the democratic process. we have a process in place in this country. if you believe somebody should not be in office, 201, 2 young, too inexperienced, then run against them. if they are incapacitated, 25th amendment. if they resign, the vice president takes over. we have to be careful in this moment. what i ought to think should happen, we should support the ticket that is there and push issues. get away from the candidates.

push the issues they support. and then mobilize the biggest swing vote in the country, which is poor and low-wage infrequent voters, and young people. tell them what the issues are. follow the process that is already in our constitution. you have to be careful that you don't do something that actually sets precedent that are contrary to the constitution. amy: bishop william barber, thank you for being with us, national cochair of the poor people's campaign, founding director of the center for policy -- public theology at yale divinity school, co-author of the new book "white poverty: how exposing myths about race and class can reconstruct american democracy."

this is democracy now!, democracynow.org. this is war, peace and the presidency: breaking with convention. we are broadcasting from milwaukee, wisconsin throughout the week, as we come to the conclusion of the republican national convention. nermeen: thursday, donald trump spoke for over 90 minutes in the longest convention speech in history. one word he never mentioned was abortion. or the supreme court's overturning of roe v. wade thanks to three conservative judges he appointed. republican vice president candidate jd vance also did not mention the word abortion once. in fact, according to the washington post the word "abortion" wasn't mentioned a single time from the stage during at least the first three days of the convention. however, this week, cnn did unearth a 20 comment by vance where he said he supports a national abortion ban. >> do you think it will be

resolved nationally? >> i certainly would like abortion to be illegal nationally. amy: to talk more about what was not talked about at the rnc, we are joined by amy littlefield, abortion access correspondent at the nation. welcome back to democracynow. we are talking about what the president and other republican speakers spoke of this week. the main theme, vilification of immigrants. they didn't talk about abortion, but certainly that is a major theme of what president trump wants to do in this next term. can you talk about what was and has not been talked about? >> not in one single word about abortion from donald trump last night, in all 92 plus minutes of that speech. not one single word from j.d. vance, who we know is a diehard

abortion opponent. this is stunning. even though i knew to expect it, to see donald trump talk more about crime rate in venezuela and el salvador than he did about what is arguably the crowning conservative achievement of his presidency, which is handing conservatives this 50-year long dream of overturning roe v. wade. this is arguably his most unequivocal victory, and he doesn't mention it once? again, i knew to expect it because i know republicans can read the polls. they know that abortion has triumphed in all seven instances when is on the ballot since the dobbs decision. they know a rising number of people support abortion rights. they know that 79% of people oppose the idea of a nationwide abortion ban. it is no surprise. yet, it felt like the end of an era to me. i felt like i was watching the end of 40 plus years where

republicans have opportunistically use the abortion to win elections, and now they are suddenly taking abortion by the shoulder and shuffling her off the stage, saying, well done, you helped us consolidate power over the last 40 years. we are not going to talk about you anymore. there are several really important caveats here that i want to highlight. when is the fact that republicans are not talking about abortion does not in any way mean that they will not continue to act on it. if you read the republican party platform, it's clear and they are inducing the idea that the 14th amendment, to the constitution protects fetal personhood, protects due process, equal rights of embryos. if you read project 2025, it is clear they believe the comstock act from 1873, another instance of victorian law coming back to life from the history books, is

a de facto nationwide ban on the mailing abortion pills. they are using these ways that don't require any public buy-in. we can see their plan is to go for a nationwide ban on abortion that doesn't require the approval of congress, that doesn't require the democratic process, because they will go back into the history books and revived this law potentially from an era where we would go after obscene books with pornographic drawings. the important caveats that you have covered on the show, it seems clear the newfound target to replace abortion is transgender people, in particular transgender children, some of the most vulnerable people in this country. the punchline about women's sports, at least on side knows the difference between men and women. that was a drumbeat as much as

drill, baby, drill, as much as the anti-immigration rhetoric at the convention. 625 anti-trans bills introduced this year. a record. i used to say the similar numbers when talking about antiabortion legislation years ago. we are talking about that same playbook now being trained on transgender people because republicans think that will be more popular. nermeen: it may be because of the silence from the stage on the question of abortion that many media reports seem to conclude that the republican party is now softening its stance on abortion. do you believe that is true? >> far from it. so glad that you asked that question. it was widely reported when the republican party platform came out that they were softening their stance on abortion. it mentions states getting to have a say in abortion. first of all, i want to push

back on the idea that allowing states to decide on abortion is a moderate stance. we have total billions in 14 states in the country. -- bands in 14 states in the country. we have scenarios where women are being airlifted to neighboring states by helicopter, in the process of miscarrying, close to death. people in texas are experiencing pregnancy complications and are dying. people consigned to pregnancy against their will. that is under the scenario now, states deciding, which is a deeply unequal system. secondly, they are not giving up on the idea of a nationwide ban. that is clear when you read the text of the republican platform itself, that endorses the idea that the 14th amendment protects the constitutional rights of embryos and fetuses. if that is the case, that the 14th amend an already protects embryos and fetuses, then we don't need a bill passed by congress to ban abortion

nationwide. they can make the argument that fetuses are already people. that argument, of course, would have ramifications for in vitro fertilization, contraception. far from being a softening of the stance, we have to be really concerned about this effort to go back to existing text, understanding that abortion is more popular than any candidate in this election. she would win today if you put her on the ticket. they are looking for a way to do this through antidemocratic backdoor channels. the platform has it there in plain text. much of the media missed the mark when they accepted the idea that this was a softening. amy: as we begin to wrap up, if you could talk about the map her e. something about the democratic and republican conventions,

every post has it, but the abortion access in the country right now, and the significance of who is president, who gets to appoint judges, not just supreme court justices but federal judges on down, and why that matters so much to when it comes to the issue of reproductive rights and abortion. >> it matters so much. we have seen what trump's three appointees to the supreme court have done not just on reproductive rights and a host of other issues underpinning our democracy. i was recently in florida, which is one of six states that will have a ballot initiative on abortion this election. this is what i'll be watching closely. florida has a six-week ban in place right now. florida used to be the destination state where people from all across the south would travel. 84,000 abortions i believe last year.

now they can only do them up to six weeks. i sat in the waiting room of a clinic in florida, watched people be sorted into groups, based on the difference of a few millimeters of growth on an embryo the size of a pea. whether they were late or not and could get an abortion in the state of florida. people in florida will be voting directly on this issue. that is also the case in nevada. it could be the case in several other states including the swing state of arizona. i think abortion will have a huge impact on this election. i also want to say, it is kind of incredible that we have the top of the ticket candidates, as we are speaking to, is donald trump, who declared himself very pro-choice back in 1999, and joe

biden, not to being on abortion, who in the 1970's and 1980's, voted against race and incest exceptions in the federal funding ban, behind amendment -- the hyde amendment. these are the two people to choose in, an election where abortion is a primary issue. i think the democratic party needs to articulate a strong pro-abortion stance that does not just involve abortion up to the viability and where and incest victims. the point of what your previous guess was saying, we need a reproductive justice new deal. a platform for 2024 that is about economic justice as well as abortion and ties those issues together, if the democrats are going to win. amy: thank you for being with us, amy littlefield.

next up, we look at the recent killings of two black men here in milwaukee. samuel sharpe was a homeless veteran. d'vontaye mitchell was killed by security guards outside the hyatt where delegates are swarming through right now, where journalists are getting their press credentials. more in a minute. ♪ [music break]

amy: "we will all go together when we go" by tom lehrer. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org. this is war, peace and the presidency: breaking with convention. we are broadcasting from milwaukee just after the last night of the republican national convention.

i'm amy goodman with nermeen shaikh. nermeen: here in milwaukee, protesters march thursday through downtown to call for justice for samuel sharpe and d'vontaye mitchell. samuel sharpe was a 43-year-old unhoused black man who was shot dead in milwaukee by police officers from ohio who were here as part of a group of 4500 law enforcement officials here for the rnc. the shooting took place one mile from the rnc's proceedings. sharpe's death came weeks after security guards at the hyatt regency in milwaukee killed d'vontaye mitchell. the 43-year-old black father died after security guards pinned him to the ground. amy: democracy now was at the protest and march on thursday. this is the aunt of sam sharpe. first, we hear from the big sister of d'vontaye mitchell. >> d'vontaye mitchell my

brother, i was his big sister. we are definitely going to keep fighting for justice here. we appreciate your support. we ask the community to keep coming out here with us, standing with us, until we get some answers. no one has been charged, no one has been arrested. they say they are waiting on autopsy results but we all saw in the video. why do we need autopsy results to determine that these people need to be arrested or convicted of a crime? we saw in broad daylight. we need to answer and we need justice now. >> my name is katrina gaines. i am here on behalf of my nephew, for his mother's sake. most people that know sam sharpe, they noted that his gate is unbalanced. he wanted to be on his own with ms, didn't want if feel like that we had to take care of him or was a burden.

he said that god told him to go and help that community. that is what he did. for police to just shoot him like that, 27 bullets, come on. you shot him. it didn't take all of that. if he was someone else, if he was a different race -- and i hate to bring that into this because i have all races in my family -- but they wouldn't have killed him like that, shot him like that. 27 bullets. all he was trying to do was protect himself. he went to the police and they did nothing. now my nephew is shot and he is dead, and it is horrible. amy: for more, we are joined by two guests here in milwaukee. angelique sharpe is the sister of sam sharpe junior, shot only seven times by columbus, ohio

police officers near the republican national convention, about one mile away, on tuesday. and we are joined by wisconsin state representative darrin madison whose district includes milwaukee. he is a member of democratic-socialist of america. angelique, i met you yesterday at the rally that ended at the hyatt. you were in red arrow park. first, my condolences on the death of your brother. you are very brave to come here because you just lost 10. can you tell us what happened to sam? officer from columbus, ohio, coming to the rnc to be a part of the thousands of police officers here for the national security event opened fire on your brother? explain. >> thank you for the

condolences. first and foremost, the situation from our perspective is that sam, he actually complained about a bully that was in the shelter down there. he called on saturday. the police have not contacted our family, not a question. amy: you are saying your brother sam called the police for help? >> that is the understanding that we are under. he called home, came home that day as well. he called on saturday. he told my mother that he was fearful of his life. someone told him that they were going to kill him, his dog, and burn his tent down. my mother was hysterical, she called me.

i called sam. he answered the phone and repeated this to me. angelique. on like, what do you want me to do? he was like i don't want you involved down here because you don't know anything about the community. amy: the unhoused encampment, where he had moved out to go and live. >> absolutely. i would go to visit him, give him some money, whatever he may need. but i didn't hang out down there or anything like that. he didn't want me to be immersed in the community like that. he basically said, if this person tries to come for him, he is going to have to protect himself, and not to go down there. that was saturday. tuesday, the day this happened, he came home at around 6:00 in

the morning. he said whoever this was chased him out of the encampment to the house. he left his dog isis down there. he complained again to our mother that this person was trying to make good on what they said. premeditated murder. ultimately, they got into a standoff. what we see in the video, bodycam, is video without context. amy: you are seeing san with what in his hand? >> we believe it was knives. a lot of them in the community don't have regular appliances and tools that you have in the kitchen. they use this to open up things. amy: he also had ms? >> he had ms, which affected his

balance, hearing. everyone down there knew that sam was not physically -- amy: even the local police knew. these police from ohio came in to provide security for the convention. >> they don't have any clue about that community. amy: so they opened fire. they were far from him. >> a couple of things that come into play that have us baffled. sam has ms, which affects your hearing. two, no one is talking about this happening on 15th. 16th street is one of the busiest thoroughfares in the city. this is high noon. we are talking about lunch time

traffic in the middle of a workday. loud vehicles. on top of him not being able to hear, and how are you supposed to hear police from that far away, to give you any commands? the video backs it up. neither one of the men responded. they could not hear. there is no way that both of them didn't turn around and respond. i also want to debunk the narrative that this person's life was in danger. i never saw a person come to a knife fight in danger, that is engaging with the "perpetrator." if you are in imminent danger, scared for your life, there is no way that 30 police officers,

however many it is, put their brains together and talked about, he had a night, and that was the only conclusion, to shoot and kill him dead like that. nermeen: darrin madison, if you could respond to this tragic incident. the fact that black people in wisconsin are nearly six times more likely to be killed by police than white people. if you could say what specific measures you are advocating. >> absolutely. one, i want to uplift that community over there. 24 hours a day shelter that provides services for folks who are unhoused. in that community, that has mine that encampment is there, and that is why local law enforcement know a lot of the folks in the community, know how

to navigate those relationships. as it relates to the broader context of our local communities, black folks in this city have navigated police violence since the 1950's. that was one of the first killings of a black male by the hands of law enforcement reported in our state. that has only have been more and more times in our history. that has happened a series of times that have led to communities crying for real change as it relates to law enforcement procedures and practices, to ensure that folks can be saved in their own communities. some of the bills and i've been working on over the past year have called for, one, police decertification for law enforcement, when law

enforcement officers are involved in these decisions and found guilty. what often happens is, instead of being held accountable, for law enforcement officer will go to work for another department in another community nearby. amy: in the case of d'vontaye mitchell, and let's be clear, sam was killed on tuesday. d'vontaye was killed on june 30. that was a few weeks ago. he was held down not by police but security guards. i went to the police to say, can you tell me where d'vontaye mitchell was killed? they would say, i don't know, i'm from chicago, all these different places. there were all different law enforcement.

local police also wouldn't tell me. that these were not even police, they were security guards. he was held down. explain. talk about what police have talked about in both cases. >> in the case of d'vontaye, what happened was, staff claimed that he was being disruptive in the hyatt. it eventually led to them assaulting him. apparently he ended up in the bathroom at some point, then was chased outside, pinned down on the ground by at least two confirmed security guards. the other is, it was not confirmed if they were security or hyatt staff. we know that the hyatt has fired that security team as well as a few other staffers who worked in the space for not being

compliant with their own policies. what that tells us, the lawyer of d'vontaye's family said it best. there is skepticism at least from the hyatt's perspective in that whole altercation. when milwaukee law enforcement arrives, they found him unresponsive, try to resuscitate him. he sadly lost his life. his last words were "i'm sorry." thin in these situations, they are pleading with someone who has dominance for their life, and they don't respond and do anything. that hurts. amy: the videotape in both cases is devastating. only 30 seconds. this is our last segment here in milwaukee, outside the republican convention. has the trump team gotten in touch with you, has local police gotten in touch with you? >> they absolutely have not.

i don't understand. we have evidence that sam called home. the shelter and the community down there, by all accounts of his character, the character of the other person, it is absolutely not making sense. amy: what do you want right now as speak to a global audience? >> i want transparency, not the clips of the video, we want the full video, the autopsy report. we really want justice for my brother. amy: we are not going to stop here even as we go back to new york. thank you both for being with us. angelique sharpe, condolences, sister of sam sharpe junior, and unhoused black men killed by columbus, ohio police not far from the republican convention on tuesday.

and wisconsin state representative darrin madison, whose district includes milwaukee, where d'vontaye mitchell was killed. thank you both for being with us. we will continue to follow the case. the international court of justice has ruled israel's settlement policy in occupied territories violates international law.