the chore wars. new studies find husbands shoulder as much as working moms when it comes to stuff needs to be done in the house. hi, i'm john roberts. coming up this hour, we can get a major clue where the debt talks are heading when house speaker john boehner has his press briefing live. he is caught between senators who want a deal and ultra conservatives in the house who will settle for nothing less than cut, cap and balance that passed the house this week but no chance in the senate. the president is working overtime to broker a deal. he held meetings at the white house last night and send word through this is press secretary a very short term debt fix is on the table if lawmakers can agree on a broad plan to reduce the deficit. but republican leaders gave up no new ground this morning. >> many of us learned a long time ago to pay more attention

to what this president does and what he says. i'll just say this. there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that this president is as deeply committed to a government we can't afford as he was on inauguration day. >> nbc's luke russert is tracking all the definitelime d and negotiations from the hill. will house republicans really accept anything out of the plans right now? >> reporter: that is the million dollar question, thomas. what you've seen between these negotiations yesterday between eric cantor and john boehner, what will pass the united states house of representatives? there is a possible grand bargain between cantor, boehner and president obama, this reed-mcconnell compromise we heard about as well as this new thing getting a lot of steam, called the gang of six. an important development from steny hoyer when he said grover norquist essentially said

extending the bush tax cuts, if there was a freeze on that wouldn't violate the pledge. grover norquist responded this morning to steny hoyer on our air. take a listen. >> hoyer is wrong. the answer is the people who made this commitment not to raise taxes made it clear they're not raising taxes and boehner and the other republicans have said that independent of the pledge. there's certain things you could do techniqcally and not violate the pledge but the americans would understand is a tax release. americans for tax reform reject any effort to reduce or not continue the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts. >> the question now becomes did grover norquist say unequivocally did any non-extension of the bush tax cuts equal a tax raise. seems like there is wiggle room there. why is that important? house republicans said repeatedly they will not allow tax increases to be part of a

debt reduction deal. if there is leeway there, forever grover is not saying unequivocally, not the bush tax cuts, maybe there will be a vote. >> will this give people on the hill whiplash? >> reporter: there's so many different trains, no one knows what will get in the station. no one knows. on health care and issues like government shutt down, on health care, there are so many different options. i'm hearing the most interesting thing is senate republicans are saying to their house counterparts maybe it's time to lay back on the rhetoric a little bit, mitch mcconnell making a point, if there is a government default, it would be owned more by republicans than the president of the united states. >> thanks. ment cos a short time ago from the democratic side of the aisle. here is senate majority leader harry reid thanking republicans and once again stressing what is

at stake for this country. >> i want everyone that can hear my voice to understand time is of the essence. we are running out of time. every reasonable voice in america warned us defaulting on this nation's financial obligations would not only be a blight on our reputation but precipitate a global economic crisis we have never ever seen. chairman of the financial house services committee. good to have you with us. we get straight to you because the gang of six has a framework for a plan, largely bipartisan bringing everyone under the tent but blowback by senators and distribution. if they can bring an approach, explain why the house can't find bipartisan ground support. >> you're jumping to a conclusion. the gang of six proposal is rather vague. easy to agree on something

balanced as long as it's big. in the house r there are republicans ideologically opposed to anything that increases revenue. now all the government deficit projections are based on the idea bush tax cuts expire for everyone, according to current statute, the end of next year. if you regard not only any change in the law that reduces the deficit as unacceptable but any failure to change the law is also unacceptable, then it's going to be very hard to pass anything through the house other than perhaps the mcconnell plan, without the savings in it. >> we're hearing from harry reid using the phrase, "time is of the essence," hearing that over and over again and taking us to the brink. do you get the feeling we are actually inching any closer to clenching a deal?

>> i think the mcconnell proposal, with some savings we can all agree to, may very well end up being the package. it's very important to the president we have a 3.5, 4$4.5 trillion package. woe may not in this short time agree to more than a $5 million down payment and vague creation of commission goals, statement of principle. that's, i think, the most we can do in the limited time. republicans have -- had a chance to stop spending back in april and reached a deal and had a chance to determine spending levels effective october 1st. it's not like if they reach a compromise now they've run out of ways to take hostages and force a change in policy. >> let's talk about the broader picture and what this potentially does to the financial markets, "new york times" saying financial players on wall street, trying to come up with their own contingency

plans. should they be preparing for the worst? >> i do make it sense to prepare for the worst and it's bad i'm on tv saying that. this crisis is already hurting our economy. if 1 out of every 100 business decisions and investment decisions, just at the margin, you're not sure which way you're going to go, goes to t the -- well, let's not do it now, let's not hire now and let's not expand and invest now. that hurts our economy a whole lot. everyday in our economy, we need more new jobs created just to replace the ones that are losing. we have this creative destruction all the time. if 1% of the investment decisions go the wrong way, that means higher unemployment. that's already happening. this is an unnecessary self-inflicted wound. we should have simply raised the debt limit and then gone onto the crisis of september when the appropriations bill expire and bargain then as to what the

levels of spending and debt ought to be. >> sir, we'll let you get back to work. and more from new york congressman charles rangel later this hour. he fires off and angry words about the gang of six plans that he can't support it. called "hell on earth," a heat dome pressure cooker that spans 1 million square miles slowly moving away from the country and headed eastward. so far, 22 deaths have been blamed and dozens more hospitalized with heat related illnesses. it is so hot in minnesota, you can bake cookies on the dashboard of your car. cars going from interiors of 130 degrees. there are 32 states, along with washington d.c., under current heat advisories and will weaken just a bit heading to the

weekend. for so many people, relief cannot come enough. >> extreme, like hell on earth. a lot better than a blizzard but still not good. >> really, really hot. >> very, very, very hot. >> nbc's kevin tibbles is live with the latest. i have to travel to chicago tomorrow. prep me on what i should expect in that city. >> reporter: it's so hot, thomas, you can actually bake a tv correspondent right out on the street. you don't need a car's dashboard. >> it's 10:00 central and it's already 92 degrees. that isn't even with the heat index, which puts it up about 100. how are people cooling off? they keep saying it's moving on but this heat dome is moving so slowly, showing up in the east, and they're calling for thunderstorm activity, but then

the thermometer will go right back up afterwards. your weekend in chicago will be a very warm one indeed. i'm not suggesting that you do this, thomas, but chicago's newest resident happens to be a 26 foot tall statute of marilyn monroe. she's cooling off in the way she did best in the seven-year itch. the line i've been dining on all day today is the fact, it's also from "some like it hot" although i don't like it this hot either. >> me either. i'll take a breeze anywhere i can get it. nbc's tevin tibble. thanks so much. after nearly 13 days in space, the final shuttle mission ended at kennedy space center. take a look. >> touchdown after firing the imagination of a generation like none other, the space shuttle secured, the space shuttle pulls

into port for the last time. >> there we have it. the final shuttle, travel into space will be placed in a museum there at cape canaveral. the one man to cover every single space mission joins me now. jay, what does it mean for nasa and the people that make up the ranks throughout nasa that are there currently and the ones that have come before them? >> you know, thomas, we thought about that a lot here today. flight director or launch director, mike linebach said a few moments ago, what we learned was how to build a space station and how to live in space. the lessons we have learned is we should go on on colonize other places. after all, we're all on a spacecraft 8,000 miles in diameter and only 10,000 feet of life support above us. it's finite.

not going to always be here for us. personally, science is probably 50 years ahead, say most scientists where it would have been had not we gone to the moon and we flown 135 space shuttle politicians. we all love our gps, love all our computer gadgets and the most important are the great medical techniques and machines we have today to save our lives. >> we certainly have a lot of pride in nasa and great memories, what the shuttle means to people here in america. jay, you mean a lot to us. thanks. >> thanks. a fight has erupted in the city of memphis, local government versus school system. will the kids have a school to go to in the fall? we will ask memphis' mayor about that. and later, democratic women in the house rising to the defense of congresswoman

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it is big. we're now learning the british phone hacking scandal is bigger than we believed. one team says the british yard investigating the allegations has been expanded to 60 officers and we're now learning, the probe could be expanded to as many as 31 separate publications and 300 different journalists. joining me to talk more about this, great to have you here. let's talk about these revelations. this phone hacking and the kind we've seen with news of the world has drawn critical attention to the blood sport of the tabloids put together across the pond. if this report is accurate and

suggesting this is so pervasive on fleet street on london, what do you think this will do to the profession, careers of these journalists but journalism as a whole? >> i think it was probably endemic, not just news corp. hacking during this period. we have a to be careful. it was interesting in the sense of going for blood because the press were all over last year for an expensive scandal and enjoying this moment and as they say in germany. >> let's look at the empire rupert murdoch has put together for himself. news corp. controls movie divisions, 20th century fox. pay-per-view channels, newspapers, we look at different brands, we're all familiar with them, brought in $33 billion in revenue last year and generate $32 billion in cash each

year -- generate $2 billion in cash each year. is there a threat for such a diverse organization? >> he brought in someone who cleans up messes of administrations to help clean up news corp. here and contain the problem. the big thing for murdoch, he wanted a family dynasty. looks like so far, it has been sacrificed and everybody involved wasn't a murdoch. james murdoch may not survive. elizabeth murdoch may come back into the company. as far as prosecution here in the u.s., maybe not so much. i understand the foreign practices act going into the tactics of news corp. is an unusual interpretation. and everybody here will see what happens in uk to have a clear picture. this could run for years. watergate took two years until nixon eventually resigned. this one isn't going to go anywhere which is why david

cameron was talking in parliament saying he knew he had to repeat his apologies and continue to repeat apologies moving forward. >> a lot of us aware of this pervasive problem, this has been percolating across the pond, different payouts and right now gotten to the top and attention of the world. >> in uk, everything is int interlinked and it isn't here. you have the media in new york and l.a. and the marvelous cities around the country. in england, it's always all about london. the police are interlinked with media, interlinked with the politicians. we saw with the records of meetings, no politician could actually be elected to be prime minister in uk since thatcher without the help of rupert murdoch. therefore, the labor party in power just before the current government need the help of murdoch just before the prime minister which may be his best

defense and maybe not have to resign over the issue because the labor party are active as well. >> thanks. great point. thank you for coming on. we are waiting for john boehner after meeting with the president on house reduction plans, the house speaker will be updating us very shortly. a peek at the microphone and a lot of waiting republicans, can he get the house republicans behind the deal on the debt. just one phillips' colon health probiotic cap a day

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the hard reaction has drawn different reaction from board members. >> someone has to take responsibility for the education of the public in memphis and i don't think the city council can be exempt. >> i'm all for support of assurances and money in the bank. i think 55 was an unreasonable amount to expect at this particular time and postpone schools until we had that amount in the bank. >> where does this ultimately leave the students? joining me by skype is the mayor. the school's budget is $1.2 billion and the amount needed to open the schools is $55 million. this is a complicated issue surrounding the complicated issue of surrendering the charter status. it didn't happen overnight. how did memphis get so bad? how did it come to this?

>> memphis is not so bad, we set aside a portion of our tax rate to go to the schools. unfortunately as is with the case of all, folks don't pay their property taxes on the very day they're due. once we get the money, we will pay it. we do not have $55 million. few cities can cough up $55 million overnight. when we get it, we will pay it. we have never paid that amount at the beginning of school. it will be on time. i will take responsibility to do our part. the children will start school on time and teachers will report on time. >> how can you be so certain of that? >> to the degree the school system said we have not given them enough to get started, not the entirety of the year, they will have that.

i have worked with the school board attorney. we reached and agreement, which if the board accepts the money, they told me in discussions will be there and they'll get started. keep in mind, we're in a political year and making political statements, i'm rising above that. we will get enough money to start school and can't get 55 and there's no court that can make us do it. we won't have it. >> we'll stay in touch. thank you. >> we want to go now to speaker john boehner talking to reporters and urging the senate to pass cut, cap and balance. >> reporter: grover norquist indicated letting the bush tax

cuts expire does not amount to a tax increase. does that help your efforts? >> i'll let you and the other pundits decide what it means, but, listen, i've never voted to raise taxes and i don't intend to. that would not be my goal in any way, shape or form. >> i believe the congress must act before august the 2nd. i hope we're prepared to do that. >> we have the words of john boehner saying they must act before august 2nd but urging the senate to pass cut, cap and balance. we'll be back with much more on msnbc, the place for politics. ♪ let me entertain you

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i'm thomas roberts. here's what's topping the news now. we take you to california and the search has ended for three people traveling in yosemite national park. saying the three hikers are presumed dead after being swept over vernal falls, standing at a barrier over the falls, posing for a picture. >> he didn't deserve it. his family didn't deserve it. >> these young victims were remembered by friends and family at a service in california held last night. a little girl recovering from a scary shark encounter in north carolina. it happened tuesday afternoon when it bit her on the leg when she was boogie boarding in waters off north carolina. witnesses say they are frightened and on alert. >> i lil want to know she's okay. did not like what i saw and it really tore me up.

>> definitely keep the kids out of the water in the morning and evening. >> i feel sorry for her and hope i don't get bit. >> she is in good spirits and issued a statement saying, quote, i hate sharks, i like dolphins better. who can blame her? five democratic congresswoman are couraging alan west to apologize over an e-mail t tie -- tyrade that turned ugly between congressman west and congressman wasserman-schultz. >> it didn't take long for this to go from a typical debate about the debt to full on fight. a number of democrats are asking a florida congressman to apologize. his office says, hey, no apology

needed and democrats went too far. >> reporter: a florida feud, two members of the house in a debt limit dual that got personal. congresswoman debbie wasserman-schultz also the chair of the democratic national committee and tea party star, congressman alan west, from republican who hit send on a nasty e-mail to schultz. you are the most vial and despicable member of the house of representatives. there's more. tuesday, west voted in favor of the debt cutting bill and wasserman schultz got up and accused him of betraying seniors. >> the gentleman who represents thousands of florida medicare beneficiaries as do i, voted for a bill that would increase costs, unbelievable for a member from south florida. >> and an e-mail that said, shut the heck up, and then this, you

have proven repeatedly you are not a lady and shall not be afforded due respect from me. democratic congresswoman accused west of sexual harassment. >> once again, we've been told to stay in our places. >> in any other environment, he would be subject to a sexual harassment claim for creating a hostile environment. >> reporter: in a statement to "abc news," he said, he does not hate women and father of two daughters? p. and he says she is not a victim and been attacking west for quite some time. in that interview, he complained of a double standard and in the past, he has been attacked with racially charged words like uncle tom, sell-out, and oreo, one of only two house republicans began the speech that started this tuesday pointing out that a democratic

confused him. >> i see the gentleman from south carolina -- >> with south carolina republican tim scott. >> i need to correct my colleague from vermont, i'm not from south carolina, from florida, but that's okay. i'm the guy with hair. >> reporter: wasserman-schultz says the e-mail doesn't bother her. >> not surprising he would crack under the pressure of having to defend that. >> reporter: she makes one more point. florida does not require congressman to reside in their districts. allen west does not live in his. he lives nearby in her district. >> as a constituent of mi mine -- hp >> reporter: he lives in your district? >> he lives in my district. >> reporter: in a statement, they point out he complained to both parties about wasserman-schultz and said they had a long running disagreement between the two and already democrats and congressman west are using this incident to try

to raise campaign cash sending out e-mails about the whole thing. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you. a new uproar on a ban on late term abortions signed into law yesterday afternoon by ohio governor john kasich. women's groups saying the law is a dangerous violation of their rights made at the expense of a political agenda. i'm joined by melissa harris, professor of political science at tulane and columnist for "the nation." what is your reaction for this? >> i'm a reproductive rights advocate. i'm always distressed when i see reproductive rights infringed on. in the context of the piece you did around sexism in the u.s. government, for me and many other reproductive rights advocates, this is a violation of privacy rights of women and their doctors and late term abortion, families and their

doctors. >> and ohio late term abortion law, by signing this critical pro-life legislation, governor kasich is demonstrating to all ohioans that the health and welfare of mothers and their unborn children are of paramilitary perhaps to the state of ohio. this is a faith-based issue, emotionally charged across the board. for women, what facts and circumstances are not being taken into consideration. also, where are ohio women? >> it certainly is an issue people of faith can disagree about. i have a great deal of respect for people of faith who see this as a life issue. this is not exclusively an issue of faith. this is an issue of privacy and issue of freedom much part of what's disturbing here, the republican party, who really championed issues of privacy, the conservative element of both parties really championed issues of freedom, the notion a woman,

usually in context of late term abortions, usually family, late term abortions are often the situation of finding out about viability problems in a pregnancy and typically people who don't want to be pregnant make choices before 20 weeks. people who wished they could have a baby and faced with tough medical decisions. since the 1920s, we thought of privacy in the domestic sphere as foundational concept of the democratic american experience. this is a violation of that fundamental conservative precept. >> can the cushionality of it be challenged ultimately? >> i think undoubtedly it will. the anti-choice that swept the nation since 2010 is on the way to this supreme court and no question it will ultimately come back to a question of whether we will institute and protect this right of freedom for women and families on this most basic medical question. >> melissa harris-perry, great

to see you. the picture of what the american family looks like continues to change. the landscapes. moms building their careers and dads spending more time raising their own kids. who really does most of the work at home. for years, conventional wisdom, wives pick up most of the house work but new research shows that may not entirely be the case. the cover of this week's "time" magazine cover story. ruth is author of "the chore wars" and joins me. great to have you here. i like that cover, very mr. and mrs. smith, dealing with mops and baby and spray bottle. >> exactly. >> the women today had their moms to be the role models, the first generation of women that had working mothers. men had their dad when it comes to work and careers. when it comes to child rearing, who can men look to as a role model especially when the roles were so defined for gen xor's

parents of probably dad working? >> that's one of the interesting things we found, to the new dads today really didn't have models of men who were both doing the upbringing and raising kids and women since '70s have been learning to adjust and deal with these dual demands, men are now feeling more work family conflicts than working women. in a sense, it wasn't expected. they didn't realize this was going to be expected of them. it wasn't what they grew up with. >> a lot of working dads are super dads but i think the phrase, "super moms" gets kicked around a lot more and women that want to do it all. do you think there is sharing dads can be considered super dads because they are picking up a lot of work or bulk of the work to help out because their

wives have a burgeoning career? >> yes. one of the pieces we ignore or overlook, even though women are doing slightly more in the home, working women, who work full time, men are logging more hours in the office. we have to keep track of both paid and unpaid labor when we look at the big picture. men and women, moms and dads are really working almost equal amounts. >> how much of the cultural shift concern what husbands do when it comes to child rearing and raising of the kids. >> what ends up happening, as i'm sure everyone is aware, typically, the woman who takes a step back in her career and spends a couple of years, wooing part-time or somewhat redized hours. i think that's a product more of the fact that when you're in two demanding professions, two demanding professioning careers,

a couple, it's not feasible for you to both be working full steam. what's interesting, if you look at couples doing more shift work or blue collar work, they're the ones who really have split everything 50-50 because they simply have to. in some ways, you know, what ends up happening, where the woman stays home more, because we can afford to stay home more and the man has to step up at the office and roles get carved out. i find, and i found for working women in particular, over time, it ends up redistricting the balance. >> michael keaton introduced us to mr. mom, many years ago. it's a great story.

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that question, mr. president, is, will we as a nation, allow ourselves to be driven into default and financial calamity by a small group of extreme right wing ideologues in the house gop? >> congressman charlie rangel is a member of the house debt caucus and involved in the debates. he joins me now. i want to get your reaction from the latest statements on both sides of cut, cap and balance and specifically on what boehner had to say. >> cut, cap and balance is just an exercise in doing nothing. i've never been more embarrassed with the leadership, this time, republican, would have us debate for four hours a piece of legislation that they know will never become law, and they admit it. as relates to the remarks made by the speaker, i don't see how

anyone in the house of representatives and maybe a few in the senate has any clue what the impact is going to be with this so-called agreement. we're dealing with a 14.3 trillion dollar deficit that we have a moral and legal obligation to deal with for the prestige and fiscal reputation of the united states of america. it should not be related to partisan budgetary issues except how are we going to reduce it and what revenues and what cuts should be made. now, we have a half a dozen senators, most of whom i don't know, that have come up with a plan that goes over ten years with cuts i don't know anything about, revenue which republicans in some parts of them says any revenue is a bad deal. i don't see how we can go home this weekend when they ask us are you any closer to a resolution of this serious problem and i say, i have no

idea. we're dealing with frameworks, we're not dealing with legislation. we've had no hearings. the way i look at it, they don't intend to have hearings. >> you're referring to the gang of six? >> exactly. >> i want to play you some sound from you yesterday in a news conference speaking out, a little more vehemently against the gang. >> i think it's an insult to the congress that we have to go back to a gang of six, much less go to the senate for a solution to this problem. it's a very complicated issue. i for one can't see how we can possibly go back home and tell our constituents that we have no clue what six people have come up with and the president apparently, to some extent, has embraced it. >> so why are you so offended by what any gang of six is trying to do? explain to the american public, because if the house can't get it done, why sta to draft something? >> let me make it clear.

i have nothing else to say about a half a dozen guys over there that mean well. but, to me, it's just as ridiculous as if i had a half o that mean well. but to me, it's just as ridiculous as if i had a half dozen friends in the house in saying let me bypass the committees, let me bypass the leadership and let me come up with an idea that i'm going to send over to them. i am telling you that this is tearing down the process, the country and it's all based on partisan politics. it's breaking down the whole system where representatives of people, 435 of us, have to go back home and we should be saying we're working the will of the people, and what are we going to say? i'm not critical of the six people. i'm critical of the process that eliminates the committees and the leadership of both sides. and so when we do get a bill,

which i don't know when, is it going to fit into what we're afraid of and that's august the 2nd, and if it does, it means that we will never know what's in this concept that some people are embracing. >> i want to talk to you about some startling statistics before we let you go. in june, unemployment for black americans was over 16%, overall 11% for hispanics. in the discussions you have going on with leadership and the plans you've seen or heard about, is there worry that both groups would be even more hurt by some of the cuts on the bargaining table? >> oh, boy, have you hit the target. first of all, while they talk about 16%, they don't include the number of people that know there are no jobs, that have given up hope, they're not included. if they were, it would be one-third of the entire minority population that would be without hope and without jobs. to make it worse, any time you start talking about cutting trillions of dollars from

spending, you're talking about laying off services which is interpreted as people. so this number dramatically is going to be increased if you cut back in hospital care, low level hospital workers are going to be out there. education will be teachers. so no matter where you go, you are going to have a group of people unemployed without the resources to buy. you can't buy, small business people can't sell, they will lay off people and increase the unemployment. that's why we need debate. this is why we need discussion. you can't treat poor people as though they're a statistic. >> congressman charlie rangel, nice to have you on this morning. >> good always to be back. thank you for the subject matter. and maybe up to six in a day... or choose aleve and two pills for a day free of pain. happy chopping.

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good thursday, everybody. i'm contessa brewer, covering the big news coast to coast. the big story, a huge warning from the u.s. chamber of commerce to congress. compromise or jeopardize our fiscal security. that ticking clock could be a ticking time bomb. the debt deadline is now just 12 days away and washington still has no clear path to an agreement. >> right now there are multiple trains heading toward the station. >> reporter: so many plans, so little time. with an eta of august 2nd