day. >> and mitt and the others, be afraid, very afraid. and the part deux. >> i i look for the interview. >> and another political big wig takes exception on a big question of where he plans to send his kids to school. >> first off, it is none of your business. and we begin with the debt ceiling fight, and the republicans unable to agree to disagree, and here is the level of confusion coming from the gop on the ongoing debt debate. this morning the washington post set the stage for a potential breakthrough reporting on the editorial page right here that grover norquist, the anti-tax guru of the right said that allowing the bush era tax cuts to expire would not be a violation of the tax pledge that nearly every member of congress has resigned which is a significant concession.

problem solved? not exactly. within hours norquist told my colleague chris jansing this right here on msnbc on jansing & company. >> i can be clear, americans for tax reform would oppose any effort to weaken, reduce or not continue the 2001-2003 bush tax cuts and any changes of the taxes should be kept separate from the budget deal. >> moments ago, the post released audio of norquist supporting their editorial, but not before norquist's apparent change of heart or philosophy was echoed by house speaker john boehner who stepped in front of the cameras and acknowledging the magnitude of the moment said there is no deal and not even a t temporary one if those tax cuts to the wealthy expire. >> listen, i have never voted to raise taxes and i don't intend to. >> last night boehner hosted a closed door meeting with select republican freshman in a capitol

hill hideaway and one aide described it as a pizza and beer meet and greet and one reporter said he could smell the scent of cigarette smoke coming from the room. we are told there was no agenda, but that is likely with the high stakes game being played right now. and the speaker said it is the senate's turn, and he didn't seem bothered walking away from the conference with one tune in mind. ♪ zippity doo dah, zipty day ♪ my oh my what a wonderful day ♪ >> and one man who will have to vote on a plan is peter welsh who is a democrat from vermont, and i know you have a busy day, but speaker boehner reposinging happy tune, and we are hearing that we are close to a deal, but what are you hearing? >> well, we are hearing that there is such anxiety between

the rank and file in the caucus is that the discussion has gone on with the highest levels of president and leadership and none of us know exactly what is in it. i talked to my republican colleagues and of course from their perspective, they are fearful that the cuts are not enough or that there may be revenues and of course, on the democratic side, we are pushing for a balanced approach where the revenues have to be part of it and the pentagon cuts have to be part of it. >> are you comfortable with the remoteness of those decisions made from you? >> not at all. one of the dilemmas is that we put ourselves up against the wall by doing something that we have never done in a serious way which is to link the major policy questions on taxes and spending with the question of whether we raise the debt ceiling that is required in order for us to pay the bills. ronald reagan, the icon of the republican party and revered by many democrats was a tough fighter on taxes and spending, but he never linked debt ceiling with america's full faith and credit.

and so we are linking a dangerous situation for america in this process. >> we have 12 days to go, and we played speaker boehner whistling and singing after meeting with eight freshmen gop member, and what do you make of the meeting there? was he trying to rally support in a sense? >> well, my clear sense is that mr. boehner knows it is unacceptable for us to default on the debt, and he knows that, but he has many rank and file members who have said they will not only vote no, but hell no, and what he is trying to do is to let the membership realize and appreciate how significant it would be if america defaulted. that would be a catastrophe. >> and an important person in the debate is grover norquist and what do you believe he meant, we have two reports, one from the washington post, and one from what we played on msnbc earlier on jansing & company. >> well, it is a big deal as it was originally recorded and mr. hoyer in the whip meeting this

morning mentioned it, so if mr. norquist was taking a position that is reasonable that expiring tax cuts under existing law were not tax increases that creates a lot of breathing room for us and head room. >> a lot. >> but my understanding is that he has gone back on that, and so revenues have to be part of it, and, you know, when i talk candidly to many of the republican colleagues, they understand that. and they are worried about the revenues and not getting the cuts, and there is anxiety on the net level of negotiation, but most folks understand that when we are spending 22% of the gdp and collecting revenues lower than the eisenhower era at 15%, that doesn't work. >> congressman, under the gun today? if not today, a deal by friday? what do you think? >> well, honestly, i don't know, but what i do know is that we have to have a deal and we cannot allow america to default. if you are eric cantor and want to have more tax cuts or nancy pelosi to put more money into the infrastructure spending, and

that is additional expense to the taxpayer, and everybody loses. we cannot allow this top ha. >> congressman peter welsh from vermont, thank you for your time and to break down where we go from here we go to nbc's mike viqueira, and luke russert live on capitol hill, so to both of you, we have the reports of a deal in "the new york times" and as well as the "washington post" and luke, what are you hearing on the hill? >> well, harry reid said that he at the democratic lunch said that he was informed that there is some sort of deal, but he urged president obama to make sure that there is revenue raisers with any compromise. i heard from one source that there is a possibly $3 trillion in cuts with the promise of having some sort of tax reform next year. that would not be very shall we say palpable to a lot of liberal, because it would not have a revenue raiser, and i'm told that the one issue that both sides can still not come to an agreement on is to allow the

bush tax cuts of the wealthiest americans expire and that is a hinge right now of any deal and what we are hearing from the sources. now the official people, and speaker john boehner was on the rush limbaugh program saying no deal privately or publicly, and they are pushing back on it. right now, if we were trying to gauge the chatter, more chatter today than the last three weeks on some sort of possible compromise. vick, take it away, buddy. >> what about boehner whistling a song from a disney classic "song of the south" as he is walking away there? he is under more pressure than that activity or behavior might imply. richard, we have had stories popping up all day long here and part of it is because of the information vacuum. they had gone underground here, and there was radio silence and the president had the democratic leadership up here yesterday and followed by the republican leadership and we have had this gang of six cut program where some $4 trillion over ten years. the original program, the

so-called grand bargain on the table two, to three weeks ago put forward by the speaker and the president that have been removed by republicans after they have pulled the plug on that was worth $4 trillion and we have a mcconnell fall-back, scale-back plan working through the senate, and that is a real stinker for the house concerned particularly the conservatives, a sticking point all along and forcing them, and you tell me forcing a long hard second look of something along the lines of the big grand bargain and a significant package here worth some $4 trillion. >> i spoke to one gop lawmaker, mike, who said this, you could have something in the $3 trillion to $4 trillion in spending cuts now with the promise of tax reform next year that wouldn't be particularly a revenue raiser right away, and so that would treat president obama for a re-election campaign quite nicely and he could avert

any tax deal not without raising taxes and possibly having a entitlement reform in the package. the details are sketchy right now in what this supposed deal is right now, but, vick, there is a lot of consternation on the capitol hill of the democrats worried that president obama is moving to the center and triangulating at the expense of not having a revenue-raiser, and willing to sacrifice entitlement reform without tax reform concretely, and one democrat telling me that there is no guarantee that the republicans would ever come to the table without the bush tax cuts, and this could be a hard sell for the man up there. >> and i think that the democrats are waiting to see if the republicans jump for any kind of tax increase, and we are back to definition of what is a tax increase. ending subsidies, ending tax breaks, ending a lot of tax breaks for industry, and corporate welfare as senator coburn, a very conservative member of oklahoma put it the other day, so there is a lot of misdirection and mystery and

reports popping up of a deal that is shot down on both ends of pennsylvania avenue, and as soon as they appear, and remember, guys, one thing, don't discount the fact that the house republicans want to see that cut, cap, and balance bill which has no chance of passing, and it passed the house of representatives the other day, and they want to run the course until they go forward with another deal. >> yes, it provides cover. it provides cover. and we have heard that the house will not be in session this weekend, so literally -- >> well, i have to go, and mike viqueira and luke russert, they are the best team on the hill and in washington, d.c. covering this for us at the white house. thank you both. >> three is a party, richard. take care. >> let me in next time, guys. >> and much more on the debt ceiling fight ahead, and a new poll that may have the palins gassing up the family bus. ♪ zippity do da

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to the race for 2012 now, and could michele bachmann's rise in the polls face a sneak attack from a candidate named palin. a new washington post/msnbc poll out today shows bachmann's vulnerability if palin jumps into the race. without palin, romney topping the field with bachmann second, and ron paul as you see there coming in third. second scenario, if palin runs, she is number two and romney is still in the lead, but bachmann slips to number three. we get more from cheri jacobus from the hill. >> thank you for having me. >> and what do you make of this? when does palin's time run out if it has not done so already? >> well, i want to see anybody who wants to get in whether it

is perry or palin jump in, but i can also understand that a lot of people hanging back thinking that they had run a few years down the road, that they have plenty of time if they are young enough, but they see the bad poll numbers for obama and they want to jump in, but having said that with this poll, i have to tell you that this still has to do with trying to pit two women together based on the agenda. unless you throw in perry or christy or somebody else, this poll means nothing. any time you inject a new candidate or person into the poll, it will shift around a little bit, so it is sort of creating a situation that do doesn't really exist by, you know, making it seem like this is somehow between bachmann and palin, because you have to throw everybody in there if you want a real answer on this. >> and palin has power is what we are saying at this time or in the next month or so? >> yeah, and then her time as well as perry and christie's and whoever, giuliani's, and

whoever, things can be different a month from now. >> and the polls show that, and with it comes the scrutiny including what you and i have been watching over the day or two in the reports of the migraine headaches, and wednesday, she released a doctor note which you saw saying that her migraines are infrequent and avoidable, and in that statement, it says that quote, your migraines occur infrequently, and have no known factors that you are aware of and know how to avoid. this is from the doctor, so will this continue to linger in the coming months? >> well, it is unfortunate that she felt the need to put a doctor's note out there, but maybe she wanted to get a past it, but she is being held to a different standard and it is based on gender, and i will just put it out there. we have people who are president and vice president and people who have run for offices in the past who have serious illness. joe biden, two aneurysm, and a pulmonary embolism, and biden

almost died and got last rites in the hospital room, and we didn't hear anything about that, so for people to be making a big deal whether it is people on the right or the left making a big deal about migraine headaches when 36 million people suffer from these, i hear a dog whistle here. they will turn off voters. >> i think it is karl rove who said that? >> well, the right and the left, and the media has been after it and it is time to stop. people will turn off the electorate, and people know this. they are holding her to a higher standard, because she is a woman. but until they start to look at all candidates. we have a president who is turning 50 and smoking, and if you are president of the united states and you can't kick the habit, you have a serious habit and that is a serious health issue, so if we do this, look at everybody and be fair about this. >> and what do you make of tim pawlenty, and how he has changed the message over the next 24 hours from this very issue? >> well, yeah, he probably needs to decide one way or another

what he is going to the do, and he is shifting around. and romney empathizes with her, and says this is no issue. he has taken some slings and arrows and scrutiny that is uncomfortable because of the religion, so romney may have been sincere. and pawlenty probably could have been a little bit more strategic and stick up for her and say, stick up for everybody running and saying this or not. so we don't know where he is, and it was awkward, but no big deal. >> and cheri jacobus, always fun to talk to you. thank you. >> thank you. stay with us, we have a lot more coming up. so i took my heartburn pill and some antacids. we're having mexican tonight, so another pill then? unless we eat later, then pill later? if i get a snack now, pill now? skip the snack, pill later... late dinner, pill now? aghh i've got heartburn in my head.

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signs of do or die on capitol hill. members of the standard & poor's rating agency are meeting with congressional members to convince them of the dire

consequences of a first-ever default. and at the same time wall street is developing doomsday plans if they cannot acquire the money by the august 2nd deadline. and we are joined by louise from the "time's" news room. >> well, a lots of the banks are looking at the treasuries they hold and getting out of the longer term ones and in favor of the shorter term ones, and treasuries have long operated like a currency and instead of passing around cash, they pass around treasuries because it is risk-free, and a lot of the banks are saying, maybe we should not accept treasuries as the collateral or cash any more and maybe we should ask for other assets, and the problem of course is what else do you ask for? gold? certainly european bonds have been under some scrutiny lately,

so it is hard to figure out what is safer than the u.s. treasury, but that is in doubt. >> you are saying it is the gold standard and when you invest in the u.s. treasuries, you always get the money back whether you are a country or investor, but now that they put together the fallback plan, the aura is kind of disappearing, isn't it? >> well, it is a big problem, and a lot of people in washington are saying if they can get a deal and raise the debt ceiling, then everything is going to be okay and everything can go back to normal, but i have been hearing from a lot of people in the market that they are concerned that there is damage already. that we may have to live with higher borrowing costs for a long time because these theatrics that you are seeing are raising questions, and remember, when the u.s. treasury has the rates go up, the interest that the government has to pay on debt translates into higher interest rates for the entire economy, and companies and consumers in higher rates on the mortgages and the credit cards. >> and we are hearing no doomsday or fallback plans

worked on, and yet there are some plans worked on at least within industry. >> there are fallback plans worked on in the industry. i have talked to a number of hedge funds who have a pile up of cash for redemption and also to pile up cash to make money, and there are a lot of mutual funds owning treasuries and looking at the documents saying if the u.s. treasury is downgraded can we keep it or convince the board to sell it? >> well, that is interesting because the freshmen were meeting with standard & poor's, but should they be listening to them with the record of their ratings not being quite on, shall we say? >> well, it is an amazing turn about, because if you told three people at the heart of the financial crisis when the rating agencies had missed every part of the market, and if you had told them that three years later, it is the rating agencies driving the market and people panicking over what the rating

agencies would do with the u.s. debt, peel would have lauople w, but it is an astounding comeback in the influence. >> and it is not just the united states. >> greece and portugal and spain -- >> yes could talk about this for a long time. >> we could. >> and next al franken in defense of the marriage act and leaves the gallery in stitches. stay with us. my cream is what makes stouffer's fettuccini alfredo so delicious. i think you'll find it's the vegetables. deliciously rich. flavorful! [ female announcer ] together at last. introducing new stouffer's farmers' harvest with sides of lightly sauteed farm-picked vegetables. find more ways to get to the table at letsfixdinner.com. i go to e-trade and tap into the power of revolutionary mobile apps to trade wherever. whenever. life isn't fully experienced sitting idly by. neither is investing. [ birds chirping ]

the topic of same-sex marriage has never gotten quite so much attention considering that lawmakers in washington for the first-time ever are considering legislation that would repeal the federal defense of marriage act. that is right. what supporters are calling the respect for marriage act would repeal the defense of marriage act which defines marriage as being solely between one man and one woman. now, this new legislation scored a huge endorsement this week, support from president obama and

the white house. meanwhi meanwhile, the rush among same sex couples to marry is so great in new york state where the same-sex marriage just won approval that there is a lottery to pick the couples to be the first to walk down the aisle on sunday, but of course, still many opponents and some of whom appeared in washington yesterday at a senate committee hearing on that topic and that is where minnesota senator al franken, a co co-sponsor of the respect for marriage bill had this exchange with a same-sex marriage advocate, tom fenti. >> people living with their own biological and/or adopted fathers were generally happier and healthier and did better in school, and were protected from physical and sexual abuse and almost never lived in poverty compared to any children in any other form. the department of health and

human health services, and i checked the study out. [ laughter ] and actually, it doesn't say what you said it says. it says that nuclear families, not opposite sex-married families are associated with those positive outcomes. isn't it true, mr. mineri, that a same sex couple who has adopted kids would fall under the definition of a nuclear family in the study that you cite? >> i would think that the study when it cites nuclear families would mean a family headed by a husband and wife. >> it doesn't. [ laughter ] the study defines a nuclear family as one or more children living with two parents who are married to one another and are

each biological or adoptive parents to all of the children in the family. and i frankly don't really know how we can trust the rest of your testimony if you are reading studies these ways. >> the bill faces an uphill battle and not a single republican has signed on as a co-sponsor and you can bet that this issue arises on the 2012 trail. all right. now, to the space race and 42 years ago yesterday when an american neil armstrong became the first human to step foot on the moon. >> it is one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. >> so, it had to be a bittersweet moment for nasa and all fans of the u.s. space program when "atlantis" made the final space shuttle landing ever this morning at cape canaveral ending 30 years of tradition.

>> the nose near touchdown and having fired the imagination of a generation and a ship like no other its place in history secured, the space shuttle pulls into port for the last time. >> we can only wonder if president kennedy knew what kind of inspiration and pride he unleashed when he made this promise back in 1961. >> i believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal before this decade is out of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the earth. >> later that year allan shepherd was the first american to go into space on a 15-minute flight aboard freedom 7. one year later john glenn climbed into friendship 7 and became the first american to orbit the earth circling three times as part of nasa's mercury program and then followed by the

gemini program, and the first to establish it was at lhe moon. but the dawn of the apollo program brought tragedy when gus grissom, and ed white and one other astronaut were killed. but then they were returned safely to earth as conquering heroes with a ticker tape parade with the goal of beating the russians to the moon in 1975, saw the first-ever joint space effort between the two countries when the final apollo mission docked followed by the soyuz with a hand shake of american and russian, and america would not return until the first space launch which endured its tragedy, and nasa never waivered and changed space travel forever

with 135 missions inspiring millions our chief astronomer at the franklin institute has watched many of them. derrick, thank you for being with us. as we watch the final landing, what is this final space shuttle mission representing for the united states? some think it is the end of the space program as we know it. what are your thoughts? >> i think that the way to characterize this is that we are looking at the classic space exploration era, and that era in which we as you said mounted all of the missions that culminated with the explorations of the moon, and manned explorations of the moon and then went on to partner with the russians in the operation of mir space station and then build the international space station. the space station was well outfitted to handle that construction and also to launch satellites, so it is bittersweet to see this piece of the program end, but the way to think of it, richard s to use the word evolution as we move on to the

next era of space exploration. >> i want to get to that jar again injargon in a moment, but there are others who worry about the funding of the space program, and newt gingrich and others say that there is a better way to spend this money right now on earth. >> there is always better ways to spend the money, no doubt. so many things that need to be done here in the united states for the american people, and absolutely no question about it. but let's look at what that means. nasa's budget overall is $18 billion a year. not even $18 billion a year, and if you look at any other, any of the other line items in the budget ahead of the space budget, there are budget items that are hundreds of billions of dollars every year, and yet the return that we get from the space program is enormous albeit down stream from when the actual mission takes place, and it has been an important piece of everyday life, improvement of everyday life for everyone on the planet over and over and over again.

>> cell phone, gps, and as we look forward to the next stage here, google has put out a prize, $30 million, a competition and 29 teams competing for that and we have the x-prize, and if you were in charge here and looking at the public/private model or just a public model and if you were in charge, tell me about the next frontier, where would you take us? >> the next frontier is to open up this frontier for as many companies as can pull together, and programs to access low earth orbit and competently and safely and economically, and the idea is to now open up the frontier so many more can take advantage of it. you can look at an analogy in the development of flight in america, and in the 20th century a and you can see the analogies between how flight developed in the united states and how space exploration can develop as well. and use that as a way to sort of see how it is necessary now to make it possible for more people to have access, but in the same breath, the thing to say is that

nasa needs to continue doing the very big work, and that big work is sending people on to the moon, sending people out to mars to do the big explorations, and outsource, if we can use that word actually, outsource those things that are easiest to do, and that we have been doing for a long time. >> derrick, i will see you on mars where we are going next. thank you. >> thank you. and why do politicians get so upset when the question of their own kids' education comes up? somewhere in america, a city comes to life. it moves effortlessly, breathes easily. it flows with clean water. it makes its skyline greener and its population healthier. all to become the kind of city people want to live and work in. somewhere in america, we've already answered some of the nation's toughest questions. and the over sixty thousand people of siemens are ready to do it again.

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hello, i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. here is how the stocks are doing today. so far, easy to be green on wall street. right now the dow is up 151 points, and the s&p up 18 and the nasdaq up 20. now, after two-week steady decline applications for unemployment benefits are back up and this time jumping by 10,000. checks in the mail for homeowners who were overcharged by countrywide home loans to pay out as part of the $108 million settlement with the federal trade commission. and if you are addicted to angry birds on the smartphone, you can soon get your fix on your living

room tv. a box set with the game and the controller will be released next month ain retail for $100. that it is for cnbc, first in business worldwide. richard, back to you. >> thank you, hampton. whenever we leelect a president or governor or even a mayor, the question comes up, public or private? for some, it is a touchy subj t subject. here is mayor rahm emanuel and governor chris christie and others facing the same question. >> my children are not an instrument for me being mayor. my children are my children. and that may be news for you, and that may be new for you, maryann, but i want you to understand -- no, no, no you have to understand this. i'm making this decision as a fer this. father. and i look forward to a future interview.

>> please -- >> i'm done. especially after yesterday. >> you don't send your children to public schools b tow private schools so i am wondering why you think it is fair to be cutting the school funding to public schools? >> what is her name? what is her name, guys, that the governor is talking? >> gail. >> gail, you know what, first off, it is none of your business. i don't ask you where you send your kids to school, don't bother me about where i send mine. >> i want to know if you think that malia and sasha would get the same rigorous education in a d.c. public school as due to the elite private academy they are attending now? >> well, thanks for the question, kelly. and i will be blunt with you. the answer is no right now. the d.c. public school systems are struggling. >> well, public officials choosing private schools, is it our business? lynn sweet is the washington bureau chief for the "chicago sun-times" and lynn, mayor manual is sending his kids to a

private school, but he did not want to simply answer that question as you saw in the interview. it is our business? >> it absolutely is. would you want to -- what would you think of a chef who did not eat at his own restaurant? this is one of rahm's worst moments, and the old rahm and not the new rahm. he is certainly, and this is a question that chicago reporters had been wanting to know, because he sent his kids to parochial school when he lived in chicago and sent them to mix of parochial and private schools in washington and certainly to walk out on a veteran chicago reporter for nbc is rude. if he could not cope with a question like that, it makes you wonder what happens when a real tough question happens. rahm just either, and rahm should have answered the question and explained himself as president obama did. one size does not fit all for all parents, and he could have just explained what rahm and his wife amy decided for their children. >> and rahm is known for the fire approach to answering

questions, but when you compare, we saw a little bit of sound from all three of those examples, and they all handled it differently and how would you compare them here? >> well, in this case, president obama decided to be candid and say, yeah, the school i'm sending my school to is better, and by the way, that is the school he sent his kids to in chicago is the same ones that rahm is sending his three kids to. governor christie was rude. how could he not have sympathy with the woman who wants to know what is in her kids' best interest and of course, framed it and made it a little personal, but he did not have to go bombastic on her, and to have a little sympathy for parents who don't have the choices that people of means do doesn't seem to be out of the ordinary, and that is why in this case, i thought that president obama answered the question spot-on and dell with the subject and calmly answered it and gave the woman his due. and he said in the schools in d.c. are not in his estimation, the best for his daughters.

>> how is that going to play in chicago with that answer? >> well, it is going to be a big flap. people i think who go the public schools, and i'm a public school graduate want to know at least why if your kids are not going to go there, because the mayor in chicago runs thele school system. >> thank you, ann, reporter for the "chicago times." and now, celebration of comic-con which is the most popular comic book and gathering in the united states. the stars of ghost hunters are guest stars, and after you watch the show, you know about the paranormal investigators who use state-of-the-art technology to explore places where many dare not go. i'm joined in san diego by the show host, and we have zach a andand aaron and nick. raising your hands for us. let me start with you, zach,

because you visited the famous dell coronado hotel last time in comic-con and looking at the paranormal there, but what about this there at the hoemgts when doing this interview. we decided to kick off our comic-con appearance doing a lockdown. we actually film an episode of "ghost adventures" in old town san diego, went to the cos ma paul tin hot koss cosmopolitan hotel. a big figure that helped establish san diego used to have big three-day lavish parties. we went in, did our investigation and brought in some gentlemen saying things, brought back from the dead. we rae created the parties

bandini did. doing that, we would have them dance and sing and i would scream, alto, alto, everybody would stop. the recording voices would sop sop and we begin hearing a female voice begin singing along with the party none of us could explain. really cool. >> what's the appeal of this show? tons of fance arou of fans arou? >> from australia back to the united states. our fan base is amazing. running into people outside the studio walking around at comic-con. super awesome to be here. film geeks and can't wait to get into comic-con. >> i'm not a geek. >> i am. it's awesome to be here. we're excited, pumped up. the fans are as rowdy as we are. >> we just did our investigation a couple nights ago. we still have a lockdown hangover. we had a lot of activity happen, though. >> yeah, exactly. >> aaron, to you, this excitement about your show, is it because we all have this sort

of cuesty about this -- curiosity about this "other" world? >> that's how i started. something happened to me. next thing i know, i'm out, didn't want anything, part of it. once this happens, you get addicted or want to know what's happened. everybody out there is curious. we're showing evidence. they're going out starting to get their own evidence. ghosting are popping up now. >> a lot of stuff. >> like "ghostbusters." >> a movie ingrained in my mind. it's exciting stuff. you know, we have a lot of issues here with qs and gets video and lights right, and it's tough enough to get actors on movies on cue. i'm wondering when you're out there, talk about cabin fever. what is it like filming movements of the other world and getting them on cue and having cameras in the right place? >> like a needle in the haystack. >> it's like fishing. >> trying to catch the biggest

trout you can possibly catch in the sea. it's crazy like that. >> but the most important piece of equipment to use, and everybody that's had experiences, that's watching this right now, use your body. our body picks up on this spiritual energy. what you may think are just goosebumps and your hair standing up on your arms, you could actually be in the presence of spiritual energy. we've been doing it so long, we adopted our bodies and we know when our bodies are telling us, there are spirits present. we just know it. >> zach have to know, the place for politics. if you were able to find and speak to a politician from the past, who would it be? >> abraham lincoln. >> yeah. >> i like abraham lincoln. >> can't wait to see him. >> abe lincoln, we're coming for you! at white house. >> you let me know when you get him. thank you for your time and have a great time at comic-con 2011. >> thanks a lot. next, please -- please --

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we've talked a lot about the debt ceiling deadline. many americans are much more nervous about another looming deadline and a deal that could finally bring the nfl lockout to an end. this could be the big day. at this hour owners are trying to finalize an agreement. he could sign off on a plan. fingers crossed, right. >> darren? where are we at, a deal coming? >> reporter: you know, richard, the owners can't do it by themselves. we're told nfl commissioner roger goodell in the next couple of minutes will address the media. they might vote. they're going to try to get 24 votes out of the 32. if they do, it goes back to the players.

we thought today, the players were supposed to vote yesterday. they did not. still an antitrust lawsuit they have to settle. early ter became clear they have sow certify. they decertified before the lockout started. there's still a lot of moves to make. >> what about a salary cap? where does that sit right now? >> reporter: seem like the revenue plserve split is servre there. if they lose preseason games and the don't do a deal by today or tomorrow we'll lose that first game, the hall of fame game. the players will get cut. $200,000 lost every preseason week. players lose a collective, about $96 million from their checks. >> also, darren, $300 million in back payments, shall we say, to the players that's hanging out there. what's going to happen? that's a lot of cash? >> reporter: right.

players says 3ds 20 million of benefits they want back. owners kind of say, well, this is part ever the money that you want but it was in the last deal. it's not clear that the players are even going to get that. also word, by the way, the antitrust settlement, that two of the players want $10 million each and at least one of those players agents has said, that is really not the case. so there's a lot of little things going on here, but this can be done quickly in terms of conference calls and stuff like that. the recertifying the union might be the snag. could take a come more days on that. honestly, we just don't know. a negotiation that seems to go on and on and on. crossing our fingers. >> you're a sports guy. what did you thi what do you think? will it happen tonight? >> reporter: not tonight but pretty soon and i don't think we'll miss more than that hall of fame game. >> thanks for playing along. matt miller in for dylan ratigan, and matt will takeit