no deal. debt ceiling talks collapse again both sides point fingers of blame. will a rare saturday meeting at the white house provide a breakthrough or more anger? devastation in norway. the death toll nears 100 after a shooting and bombing rampage. could one man have done all this? deadly heat. another day of triple digit temperatures in the northeast. is there any relief in sight? we're going to take you to the beach as people try to get away. another twist, new details in the case of amanda knox this morning. could key evidence set her free? good morning, everyone, i'm alex witt welcome to msnbc saturday. we have some huge news from washington this morning.

another debt deal collapses but just hours from now, congressional leaders will meet again at the white house with the president, they're going to try to do it all over again. the talks fell apart last night when john boehner walked way from the table blaming the white house for failure. the president pointed the finger at the gop. the two men appeared at back-to-back news conferences. >> it is hard to understand why speaker boehner would walk away from this kind of deal if it was unbalanced it was unbalanced in the direction of not enough revenue. >> the white house moved the goal post. there was an agreement with the white house at $800 billion in revenue. it's the president who walked away from his agreement and demanded more money at the last minute. >> here with more on the rapidly approaching debt ceiling deadline the jackie kucinich, a politics reporter for "usa today." good morning. >> good morning. >> what happened yesterday and how close were they to an

agreement? >> it depends on how you talk to regarding who was close and who wasn't. republicans say they weren't close to a deal. the white house says they were getting there. what happened is it sounds like boehner -- obama couldn't get his call back from boehner starting on thursday. he waited thursday, friday morning, around friday afternoon when he was told that boehner would call him back around 5:30. so at 5:30 boehner called told him deals were off. then we saw what happened there in the hours following that. looks like we're back to the drawing board. >> so in about 24 hours, then, that john boehner did not return the president's call, do we know what john boehner was doing? >> boehner said he was trauking to his colleague, talking to various people inside the capital, probably hearing from a lot of people. there are a lot of interest groups that are really unhappy that republicans would even think about having a deal with the white house. so i imagine he was getting a lot of pressure from a lot of different angles. decided that this wasn't going

to work. >> okay. are there too many moving parts. is this too complicated to get everyone to agree. given this time frame we have ten short days to get this done? >> congress always does this. tarp was like this, too. not that that are they had a great result initially. i don't think it's too complicated for them. it's highly, highly partisan. both groups are very strong feelings on both sides. at the end of the day they can probably get together and get something done. the time is running out. you're right. >> you've got to wonder you say it's highly partisan. i'm wondering if this thing is getting personal. let's take a listen to more of president obama and speaker boehner from last night. here we go. >> i've been left at the altar now a couple of times. i think that, you know, one of the questions that the republican party's going to have to ask itself is can they say yes to anything? >> dealing with the white house is like dealing with a bowl of

jell-o. i'm note going to get into the partisan sniping that we heard earlier. >> okay. so these guys are supposed to meet again in about four hours with others as well. do you sense this is getting personal now? >> i think it's getting personal in the way especially on the staff level. they don't trust each other anymore. the republicans are saying the white house moved the goal post. and obama is saying that boehner walked away from this. i think there's a trust level that's missing at this point. obama knows at the end of the day, the senate leader terri-lynne mcclintic connell said this they want to make him a one-term president. republicans want him to lose. he's saying fine, at what cost? that's one of the things the white house is saying the republicans are doing. they deny that of course. it's hard to say there's not some kind of political implication. >> what about the reality of

getting this deal done? what's the buzz in washington? do they think it will happen by august 2nd? >> it will i think happen. but i don't know if it's going to happen by august 2nd. we could see a short-term deal. the white house said they were open to that last week. so much has changed in the next 24 hours. we'll know more after this 11:00 meeting. >> okay. jackie, many thanks. >> thank you. >> we invite all of you to watch "meet the press" tomorrow. white house chief of staff and republican senator tom coburn of the finance committee will be among the guests. if it is sunday it is "meet the press." another top story it's another oproeszively hot and sticky day in the east, in the south. the dangerously high temperatures are back with forecasts in the 90s even into the 100s. add in the humidity and entire cities are turning into giant saunas. >> is humanity is just too bad. you can see that i'm drenched

and soaked in ten minutes of walking. >> drip, drip, drip. >> it's hard to breathe. >> you're as close to held as you can get. so pray that you go to heaven, if it's like this, forget it. >> the burning question, how long will this heat spell last? the weather channel's mike bettes is here to give us am sons to that. >> one more day of a heat wave across the country especially in the northeast wechl had record setting numbers yesterday. we are just baking out there. high pressure not our friend this tiemd of year. that means warm southerly air. look at these states under excessive heat advisories or warnings into the plains to the midwest. it's not just the heat, it's that oppressive humidity. the dew points are up once again. we're going to be sweating it out. it's air you can wear. temperatures are above average across the east. look at these highs we're talking triple digits in new york and washington, d.c. 95 in boston, the heat extends back to the central plains.

we're working on three straight weeks of 100 plus degree weather. sunday a little bit of break in the northeast. temperatures should dro a good ten degrees. the record setting heat yesterday was remarkable. 102 in washington. newark an all time record high at 108. >> the weather channel's eric fisher is live from new york. and with a good saturday morning to you, how's it feel right now where you are? >> good morning, alex. it doesn't feel that bad to be standing on the beach. it was a very warm overnight. we had low temperatures that only fell back into the low 80s.

average high in new york city is 85 this time of year. we just blew it out of the water during the day yesterday. a high of 104 as mike was mentioning today the it's going to be pretty close. you can look at the expansive beach out here. thousands expected to flock to try to beat the heat today. empty at 7:00 a.m. i guarantee you you will see a much different scene in the hours to come. yesterday an issue for some blackouts in the city. high electrical usage. there were a lot of businesses with their doors open with the air conditioners on. that's bad news. they're asking people to conserve. the mayor asking people to keep the thermostat at 8. when it's 104 outside, 78 provides a good bit of relief. today is the last day of the big heat here. tomorrow is a cooler day and much better next week. >> for those of us who had to walk through the city yesterday this concrete jungle when you walked past those stores with

the air-conditioning blowing out, a second of relief as you walk through it. can i ask you about the humidity danger. we had 104 yesterday as you're saying that's two degrees shy of an all time high. but you know, you add in the humidity, eric, 113, 114 it feels like. how does this make things dangerous? >> it stresses your body. when you sweat you can feel when it's humid it sits on you. when that evaporates in dry air that's how your body cools off. when it's humid outside, you don't get that relief. your body is working harder that's when people succumb to heatstroke and heat related issues. that's what makes this weather so dashlgs. >> eric fisher many thanks. well developing now in europe. a nation in shock this morning after a killing spree claims the lives of at least 91 people apparently carried out by one man. police in norway say they've arrested a man connected to both a shooting ram pamg at a teenage

summer camp and an explosion in downtown oslo. survivors of that summer camp attack say they cannot believe something like this could happen in norway. nbc's martin fletcher reports. >> i don't believe this is true. like, very -- >> it's really bizarre. it's scarey. >> it's the worst attack on norway since world war ii. 3:30 in the heart of the capital, a massive bomb blast outside the prime minister's office. debris over half a mile away. across the street, the oil ministry was in flames. >> buildings were on fire. it was complete chaos in the streets. we saw injured people being carried out of the building. >> one of the people was basically shocked. people were confused. people were asked what happened. how could this happen. they weren't really aware of what to do or where to go. >> police suspect a car bomb and with fear of more bombs police

warned people leave the city center or stay at home. two hours later another attack on an island an hour away. a man dressed as a policeman approached a crowd of youths attending a summer camp. he pulled out an automatic weapon and sprayed them with bullets. children jumped off the rocks to swim for their lives. an eyewitness said she shot some of them, at least ten dead. president obama offered his condolences. >> the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring. and we have to work cooperatively together both intelligence and in terms of prevention. >> we expect to have nbc's martin fletcher live from oslo a bit later today. meantime more on the potential fallout from the debt battle in washington. what the market wills do if the u.s. defaults. police say a peeping tom armed with a cell phone camera

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morer now on the looming debt crisis this morning as time is running out. house speaker john boehner says there is no deal as he walked out of the talks with president obama. but house republicans will be back at the white house today including mr. boehner to discuss ways to resolve the disagreements. we're joined by a reporter from "the new york times." >> good morning. >> what do you hold out hope for this today's meeting? any chance they'll get it together? >> it's very unclear what's going to happen. every single day we hear a bargain is coming ark compromise

is coming at tend of the day thins fall apart. it seems in so many respects the white house and republicans and democrats are still very far apart. there's a crisis coming up so hopefully they'll have a meeting of the minds. >> what is the reaction from wall street. >> so far not much. that's because the boehner announcement happened after the markets closed. i'm sure that they were anticipating a freak out had that been announced while there were traders at their desks. >> let's look ahead to monday. what happens on mondays? if today doesn't prove fruitful, what happens on monday with wall street? >> there are a few options. if the days don't come together we need a few days before august 2nd. >> it's got to happen next week. >> it's got to happen next week. if it doesn't happen there are a

few possibilities. one of course is default which would be total travelsy. i think it's probably unlikely that the government will actually let our debts go unpaid probably instead what we'll have is people went get their medicare palts, their social security payments. troops won't get paid in iraq and of course, those are also not particularly happy scenarios. >> you're saying this and i'm shaking my head no, that cannot happen. let's say there's a deal that cuts some spending and over time attempts to tackle the debt. you can say some people would look at that and say we're pushing it back. but at least if there's something going on, how will wall street react to that? >> i think actually that would probably be the best case scenario assuming that congress comes through on those plans. a lot of economists you talk to now say we don't want to raise taxes right now because the economy is so weak.

what we care about is what happens over the long-term so that the debt doesn't continue to add up and become, you know, such a huge burden and basically unable to be carried but our country going forward. so you want sort of a longer term horizon, that's much harder to enfarce because if you say we'll do it next year, we'll do it next year kicking the can down the road, that's not much of a solution. >> there have been prophecies of economic armageddon should the u.s. default. tell me how both wall street and global markets would react if that does happen. >> first you have to understand why -- why the united states is in the position that it's in now and that we can borrow very cheaply. which means that it's easy to continue rolling over our debt. and that's because everybody trusts us. they say the united states is a very safe investment in terms of its debt. they will pay us back. it's not greece. they make good on their promises. it's a stable country. that's why interest rates are so

low. what happens is if that's called into question, if there's the threat of default let alone outright default, investors stop trusting the united states. that means interest rates go up. interest rates on treasuries go up. not just on treasuries there's so many parts of the financial system that are pegged to the treasury interest rates. the long-term interest rates and the short-term interest rates. that means mortgage rates, things like car payment -- car loans, student loans, there are all sorts of thicks that are triggered by any change even the slightest in how much the united states has to pay on its own debt. so that's why everyone could be freaking out. if the united states ends up not being able to make good on its bills, investors are going to demand a higher interest rate that has huge shock waves through the domestic economy, but through the global economy as well. >> everyone will be paying more in these recession their times.

many thanks. >> thank you. across the nation a roller coaster stuck in the air in anaheim, california. firefighters used a ladder to help the passengers get off that ride. there were no injuries. they're still trying to determine why that ride stopped. also in southern california, police arrested man for disorderly conduct after he was caught on to tape. video from a target store showed the man of the man taking photos beneath their skirts. he used his cell phone to take the pictures and move away. police moved and arced him. in florida an accident at a bus stop near west palm beach security camera video shows a speeding car slamming into the bus shelter there and hitting two people. wow. a woman had several broken bones. a man was treated for minor injuries. the witnesses say the driver was going about 80 miles per hour when she swerved to avoid an oncoming truck. the driver is in the hospital.

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there is no relief from the dangerous heat wave tormenting americans up and down the east coast. the air is hot, thick and practically suffocating. temperatures today are set to soar past 100 degrees. we're live in atlanta. so, how's it feel out there? good morning to you, by the way. >> good morning, alex. it's going to be one of those rare days where it feels better down here than up there. right now the fountains are

seeing plenty of people. it's not going to be any exception today. large chunks of the country are going to be aurnd an excessive heat advisory, watch or warning and the temperatures are rising. the horrible heat. >> very hot. we've been up all night. >> new york city highs will be around 100. if you're working off the heat index which combines the air temperature and relative humidity it will feel like 104. yesterday records broke. 104 in the big apple. is 08 in newark, new jersey. >> trying to stay cool. i don't come out much, but i had to. >> in the nation's capital, the heat index topped 112. something that hasn't happened there in more than a decade. >> it's too much. it's too hot. just have to deal with it. >> nearly 132 million people are under some kind of heat alert. the actual temperatures on this

map might seem hot look at the index numbers. 106 in kansas city. 108 in columbia, south carolina, 111 in d.c. even those accustomed to work under scorching conditions are taking extra precautions. these firefighters in pittsburgh used wet towels to try to stay cool, but they needed much more than that. >> it's a double edge sword. they're designed to protect us from thermal burns, they don't allow our body heat to dissipate. >> the combination of high heat and humidity is not just uncomfortable, it's proven to be deadly. across the country more than two dozen heat-related deaths are reported. cattle and crop losses are mounting across the drought stricken south. in texas the first six months of this year have been the driest in more than a century. this wildlife refuge center in lub box is taking in deer, birds and an malls of all kinds. >> i'm trying my best to beat the heat, but it's outrageous.

>> both man and beast looking for relief. >> the good news for the folks in the northeast is there is going to be some relief, that doesn't come under monday. you have to endure a couple more days of hot heat. in the south, we'll stale be baking. >> don't go running into those fountains until the live shots are over. that looks so tempting. we'll see you again. >> i don't want the bosses to think that i'm actually playing this weekend. i want to be working. >> we've got all to work. the search is on in memphis for an staint duck master at the pea body hotel. the hotel needs somebody to look after the five famous mallard ducks. the ducks take a walk from the penthouse to the lobby. the pea body has been hosting these walks for about 80 years. they are great to see.

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welcome back to msnbc saturday. to politics now. it is coming down to the wire on the debt ceiling deadline. president obama will restart negotiations this morning at the white house. speaker john boehner walked out lst night. >> all the talk about responsibility, all the talk about the next generation, all the talk about making sacrifices, that when it comes to actually doing something difficult, folks walk away. >> they refuse to get serious about cutting spending and making the tough choices or facing our country on entitlement reform. that's the bomb line. >> john harwood is cnbc's chief washington correspondent and a political writer for "the new york times."

good morning. >> good morning, alex. >> we keep hearing that the president and house speaker boehner were right on the cusp of a deal. what is going on? >> it's simple, alex. the two sides, the two leaders were negotiating in good faith. they wanted a deal. but both sides followers' have to go along with that deal if it's going to succeed. the president needed to sell a deal to his members. some ig significant component of tax increases to go along with the spending cuts. the house republican caucus would not let john boehner offer that. i was on the phone for an hour with a republican member of congress to try to figure out what was going on. he said at the end of the day speaker boehner can try to push a deal with real tax increase, but he won't be speaker anymore. the caucus will throw him out. that's why john boehner many the end walked away from the talks. that's why we're at a higher risk of default than 24 hours ago. in my estimation they are still

going to work out a deal and avoid default. >> we all can certainly hope. we have ten days to get it worked out or less. but with regard to what we saw last night from the white house, it is rare you get a friday night news conference from the president of the united states. called 15 minutes ahead of time. he looked visibly angry in it. what is the message the president's trying to send? >> we've always known, alex if the big deal collapsed, that the fall back since everybody agrees we couldn't default is going to be a small deal. what he was trying to do was condition the talks toward a small deal. the president wants an extension on the debt limit, that takes him through the 2012 election and doesn't have force congress to keep dealing with this every few weeks or months. republicans want a shorter term deal it's difficult for them to pass along a deal. the president has public opinion at his back.

underpents are looking at democrats and president obama and seeing somebody who is compromising which is what they want. republicans are opposing compromise and the president was trying to push that advantage in public opinion, force republicans to buckle. we'll see what happens at 11:00 when all the leaders show up at the white house. it's not clear how this is going to be resolved and whether it's a short-term, medium or long-term deal. >> let's talk about this angle from the president. he wants this next deal to be valid through 2013 to avoid dealing with this in a presidential election year. let's talk about that. the phrase has been we're talking about the debt ceiling but it's the economy stupid. do you believe that we're focussing on the wrong syllable here. does this affect the domestic economy and getting people back to work and getting all the primary concerns of the president and our citizens addressed? >> you have a kis tings between

what needs to be done in the short-term and the long-term. in the long-term we've got to address our debt and deficits in order to make the country solvent. we've got big problems with spending on medicare and social security on 25, 50, 75-year window. we've got to keep the confidence of the financial markets. we don't want to become greece. in the short-term you don't want to cut spending too much right now. that's why all the talks have centered on looking at this over ten years. and phasing in a lot of the changes that we're going to save a lot of money or raise taxes. so there's a difference in perspective dending on if you're talking about now or the next few years. the problem for the president and people who want to do more on job creation spending more on unemployment insurance and infrastructure there's no political appetite especially with the house republican caucus exerting so much power. there's no appetite for more spending right now. >> okay.

many thanks as always. thank you. nearly 4,000 employees of the federal aviation administration are temporarily out of work because of a political fight in washington. lawmakers failed to agree on a measure yesterday to fund the agency. they're fighting over plans to extend the funding for rural airplanes. air traffic controllers are not affected by the dispute. the shutdown means airlines cannot collect federal taxes on tickets, so prices might be a bit cheaper today if you're shopping for airline travel bargains. whether young or old no one is safe from the oppressive temperatures drink bringing cities to a boil. at least 60 cities across the northeast alone have been issued poor air quality warnings. >> i opened up my bedroom door and i feel i'm walking into held. >> it takes your breath away. step outside and it's oh my god. >> we love new york. but not this hot. >> it's really, really hot.

i don't think i've ever experienced before until now. >> i'm melting away like ice cream in the sunshine. >> the weather channel's mike bettes is joining us with more. some much needed relief may be on its way, mike sp. >> that's right. another day to sweat it out across the country. really amazing when you see how many millions of americans are impacted by the heat. look at the heat advisories and heat warnings from kansas city to tlus all the way into the eastern half of the country. once again, new york, d.c., raleigh oppressive heat. the dew points are so high and there's so much humidity, makes it thatch more uncomfortable. it is air you can wear. do everything you can do to stay cool. look at the heat indices they are off the charts early today. we'll be looking for afternoon highs near record setting, they will be record setting. 96 in boston. 103 central park in new york. 100 in washington.

102 in oklahoma city. working on three straight weeks of triple digit heat in dallas. no relief tomorrow across the plains. 91 would feel comfortable in new york. after 100s it will be. here's the heat index forecast today and 112 is what it will feel like in the district. may have a little bit of rain to cool you off in the upper midwest through the great lakes. a little cold front in portions of the northeast. warm and sunny once again in the place that had it again yesterday. sunday's weather brings in that rain and a little bit of cooler air. we all could use it, finally we'll be able to breath for a change. >> about time. thank you, mike. for the latest information on how these historic temperatures may be affecting you, you may visit weather.com. developing now -- an attack followed an explosion many the

capital, but left seven people dead. authorities say a 32 man in custody posted messages on christian fundamentalist websites. nbc news has yet to confirm his identity, but norweigian state tv has identified him. the associated press is reporting that police in norway have detained a man outside a hotel where the prime minister is visiting but no word if that is at all contacted to the attacks. joining me live in studio michael sheehan. michael, a horrific good morning to you. i cannot believe the carnage in this story. but let's talk about the description of this man according to norweigian authorities. they say he is a right wing extremist. what do we know about this possible suspect and the reason for this rampage? >> we don't know too much. it remind me of timothy mcveigh the american on the fringe of the movement in 1995 who blew up

the building in oklahoma city. he kind of remind me of the virginia tech shooter that went on a ram page and killed 32 students senselessly on the campus of virginia tech. here you have a combination of a truck bomb aimed at a government building with a right wing agenda. then this senseless murder of kids that reminds me of the virginia tech killing. two combined together we don't know what motivated this madman or if he is the guy or others that he's involved with. >> can you tell me how one person can do so much damage. if these numbers hold true 84 people killed, teenagers between the ages of 14 and 18 were the ones attending this camp. how does one man kill that many people? >> it's really horrific. again, the virginia tech was 32. one guy with a couple nine millimeters. here he goes out to an island with a bunch of youths with an automatic weapon. perhaps a rifle or pistol. it's not clear right now and just started mowing people down.

obviously at a catch like that there's no real security and no way to respond. it's just a cold blooed killer killing people. if the numbers are right, if 80 people killed at that camp, that's a stagger number. it's horrific. >> michael, if your analogies to things you think are a congressman thread, you're not mentioning al qaeda here or anything of an islamic extremist terrorist movement like that. are you confident that they're not involved? >> right now there's no indication. when i first saw a car bomb and against a building i'm saying that has an al qaeda signature, but let's wait to see what happens. turns out maybe not. the senseless killing al qaeda's done a little bit of that before in egypt and mumbai with gunmen shooting. right now it doesn't seem to be linked at all to al qaeda. it seems to be linked to this

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disturbing news from cleveland, ohio, where 17 cats were rescued from the heat after being thrown out like garbage. seven kittens were doz garbage. all the animals are said to be okay. they're up for adoption at a local shelter. in our nation's capital it is not just the debt ceiling that's making people uncomfortable. it is the sweat ceiling that's choking the air out of people inside the beltway. an excessive heat warning has

been extended today into washington, d.c. after the city was issued code red air alert which means danger for residents of all ages. i'm joined by jason now. good morning. >> good morning, how are you? >> i'm well thanks. i'm glad as bad as it is in new york to not be in d.c. can you explain what the code red means? >> it means unhealthy air kwauflt level ifser the entire population. everyone needs to take it easy. reducing the amount of the time they spend outside and being careful not to overexert themselves. >> what about relief at nighttime? haven't the temperatures then been in the 90s at night even at midnight. why is it that nighttime isn't cooling off? >> we have very high humidity levels. when you have high humidity levels it makes the air that much harder to cool off. in d.c. last night it only got down to 84 or 85 degrees. it may have been the hottest night on record here in washington, d.c. >> well i know we hear about getting some relief by monday.

it should be a little better even in new york tomorrow. how about the folks in d.c. what's the forecast for them? >> we're look at triple digit heat today and probably mid to upper 90s tomorrow. by monday and tuesday we'll probably be just back down to the ordinary low 90s. so some relief. there are signs the heat may reload late next week. >> don't even say it. thank you for the heads up. >> thank you. there's a new book out about the amanda knox case. it's raising more questions about her conviction. did she get a fair shake and might she win on her appeal? that is next on msnbc saturday. [ male announcer ] get ready for the left lane. the volkswagen autobahn for all event is back. right now, get a great deal on new volkswagen models,

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one better than is dead after an early morning truck crash new massachusetts. around 2:30 a.m. or so a gasoline tanker slammed right into the median, rolling over,

and bursting into flames. the driver of the truck was killed and four others were injured as they tried to maneuver around that mess. fuel from the crash then ran into a drainage ditch. that all went up in flames and then spread fire to three nearby buildings. what a nightmare. a new hearing monday in the amanda knox trial could indicate a new point in the traes. they will consider new reports from dna questions that questions the forensic evidence used to convict knox. when she learned about it, she hugged her lawyer and hoped to be back in seattle by christmas. knox is currently serving a 26-year sentence for killing her roommate in italy during a semester abroad. a new book is casting doubt on all of the evidence, accusing italian investigators and lawyers of truly shocking errors, and this book is called the fatal gift of beauty. i'm joined now live by its author, nina burly. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> first of all, the title, where is that coming from?

>> it's a quote from lord byron, the poet. thou who has the fatal gift of beauty. >> relative to amanda because -- >> look, we live in a time when we're all very interested in the beautiful female killer, the evil female, and this is what this book is about. it's about how the media, the police, the judiciary are very, very interested in the female, the beautiful female potential killer, ignoring evidence. >> they have not gotten anywhere near the publicity. >> we forget that we don't even know the name of the third person whose dna and fingerprints are all over the room where the body was found. >> there we see a full screen of him right. so why are the perusians and italians so quick to point the finger at her. the way that she's getting the exposure and the scrutiny, notwithstanding. why are they saying guilty,

guilty, guilty? first of all, she was on the scene when the body was found. she doesn't speak italian very well. she behaves in a callous, blythe way. she has a complete sense of the sense of gravitas. she's been in italy four weeks and is living in this bubble. she's been smoking hash with her boyfriend, and she behaved oddly, and the italians were looking for a way to solve this crime very quickly because it's a university town, and she kept coming into the police station. the italians who lived in the house with her lawyered up immediately. they didn't show up at the police station without a lawyer from an hour after the body was found. they all had lawyers. amanda knox kept tripping in gayly doing cartwheels. she's a yoga enthusiast, so she's somebody that would break into ae downward dog in front of these police officers and italians are much more formal

than we are. they couldn't -- they didn't know what make of there was eva thought that, well, she's coming in willingly on her own recognizance because she believed in her innocence, and you -- in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. >> that's true, and the thought did not apparently occur to them when it was happening, and after now two years have gone by, three years, four years, people started -- have started to examine that behavior and realize, well, it could easily be also the behavior of an innocent person, and criminologists in the united states say it's quite common for innocent people who are under suspicion to feel like they're innocence is a shield from being found guilty, and that is exactly how she behaved throughout the trial. she walked in there with a smile on her face. she behaved in this blythe, care free manner, and that merely put her further into the briar patch with the italians. >> now, what happened to you as you were researching this book?

you say that your phone was tapped, that your computer was hacked into. >> italy has the lowest level of press freedom in europe, and journalists who work there assume that they are wiretapped. in this particular town the prosecutor had a record of actually taking journalists, taking a journalist who disagreed with him in an investigation, who had written things, throwing him into isolation. not just jail. taking him out of his house and throwing him into isolation. in this case there were -- there was a reporter for one of the big television networks in rome, a woman who was house searched early on. her own house was entered by the police. she stopped covering the case. another man who was investigate this case was thrown into jail overnight. this is common behavior in italy, but actually worse in this small town. >> okay.

but to what end are these intimidation tactics? >> these are intimidation tactics. >> but you're an american, and you are coming over here. don't they think that you're going to say, hello, we don't work this way? >> well, we do say that, hello, we don't work this way, and i'll tell you, i was only the second journalist to go up to milan where rudy guede, the person whose fingerprints are all over the room, who has never denied being in the murder room, actually. that was only the second journalist after two years to go up to milan where he is from and interview the police who had arrested him in prior crimes, to interview a crime victim who was -- who had interacted with him. journalism is practiced differently over there, and no, they -- they're not used to being investigated, and there are a lot of reasons. the judiciary there is very opaque. there's the mafia. you know, journalists don't poke around the way they do here. >> well, this is a book, obviously that, did not come with a lot of ease, so we'll vul ato read it. the fatal gift of beauty.

thank you very much for being here. >> you're welcome. >> in a moment, a live report from norway with the latest on that deadly rampage that has stunned that country and shocked the world. also ahead, the parents of casey anthony leave florida, but are they going to visit casey? you're watching msnbc saturday. this...is the network -- a network of possibilities. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. didn't taste so vegetably? well, v8 v-fusion juice gives you a full serving of vegetables, plus a full serving of fruit. but it just tastes like fruit. and try our deliciously refreshing v8 v-fusion + tea.

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