good morning. i'm chris jansing. at 2:00 eastern time house republicans will introduce a two-step proposal of their own. harry reid will counter for senate democrats, and, of course, time is running out. look at this. just eight days until the august 2nd deadline when the u.s. could default. let the blame game begin. >> instead of speaker boehner leading the tea party, he seems to be following them. the really extreme right people who just said let us default are not a majority of that caucus. >> i would prefer to have a bipartisan approach to solve this problem. if that's not possible, i and my republican colleagues in the house are prepared to move on other own. >> i might say to speaker boehner, he should remember six words. if you break it, you own it. >> they never put a budget on the table, so twice republicans have said yes. the only thing we haven't said yes to is job killing tax

increases. >> let's bring in policy analyst and washington post columnist ezra cline and jay newton small for time magazine. good morning to both of you. >> we're seeing john boehner drawing up a house plan. harry reid a senate plan. where is the president in all this now? >> the president is now waiting to see some actual plans. obviously, white house negotiations broke down, and one thing that's crucial to see here is that part of the reason white house negotiations broke down, part of the reason republicans walked is they realize that if barack obama cut a dew deal that would help him in 2012, and that's a concession from republicans' point of view. they don't want to offer up. one of the things we're testing in washington right now is whether or not a deal is easier to cut if the president is out of it because it takes some of the presidential politics out of the equation. >> it did seem like this was close to being if i said out at the end of last week, and over the weekend it all fell apart. why are we here at this late stage in the game? >> well, the president and speaker boehner were actually very close to a deal last sunday. in fact, they were about as

close as they would ever come when they agreed about $800 billion worth of revenue raisers, and then essentially there was the gang of six in the senate, which is a bipartisan group of senators that bruised their own plan in a surprise move, and a t completely undercut the plan that the speaker had with the president because it had some numbers that were a little bit better on taxes and a little bit -- and just a little better for both sides, republicans and democrats, and everybody start asking, well, why can't we use this plan? why can't we use these numbers? on both sides, just it unravelled the whole thing. >> and, really, as you pointed out, ezra, there are two aspects to this. one is the numbers game, and the other is the political game, and the talking point that did seem to resonate over the weekend is that this is all about re-election. let me play some sound for you. >> the problem i think is that the single most important thing for president obama is extending this beyond his re-election campaign. he just doesn't want to have to deal with it. >> here are the republicans.

they want to make this a campaign issue. listen to the economists. >> who is right here, ezra? >> i think there's something really -- we're having an enormous amount of trouble doing this now. the idea that we're going to have less trouble doing it later is not plausible. the president's poll numbers have not really suffered from this. republicans have taken a bigger hit. you can make a strong argument that it would be great for obama in the middle of a re-election campaign to put republicans on the table showing they want cuts in medicare as opposed tax increases on the rich, but i think the president and the democrats and to be fair many republicans don't want to see the economy collapse in the middle of it because we can't come to an agreement in the middle of a presidential campaign. the second piece of this is that the credit rating agencies are not going to go with a short-term increase now. they've said that unless we show our capacity to come to a real deal, a deal for the deficit, they're likely to downgrade us in the next three months. the idea that we can kick this can down the road, it no longer seems plausible. maybe it was three or four

months ago, but it isn't now. >> i'm wondering is this going to be one of those things that given that economic reality and what we're hearing from wall street and from economists, that something will get done before the deadline? >> both sides in the house and in the senate still believe that something will get done before the deadline, but essentially they're playing chicken with their plans at some point. the senate will pass a plan and try to force the house to pass their plan. and vice versa, the senate will be forced to pass their plan, and it is a game of chicken, and whom ever wins by august 2nd is the deal we're going to have, but there has to be someone who essentially swerves. >> well, we'll see who is going to be going off the road a little bit. right now it's not clear. jane and ezra, thanks to both of you. let me bring in research pataki who has been traveling around the country with his own plan. >> nice so to see you, chris. >> you have this group no american debt. you were out in iowa last week saying democrats need to give up

the idea of raising tacks. five recent polls show that the american people feel that there has to be a combination of budget cuts and tax increases, especially on the wealthy. so what is it that they don't get that you are seeing? >> it's not a question of what a poll shows. it's a question -- leadership is about doing what's right for the american people. to me what is right for the american people is and has been for the last decade living within your means, and both parties in washington, when the republicans had control and horribly worse since the democrats have had control, they've gone on spending binges and entitlement gross without -- >> what about the message from the american people and, you know, you don't get necessarily into the heart of it in the polls, but you certainly hear it in the interviews that are done is that they want balance. they don't want it to come from one place, and they think they look, frankly, at the profits that are being brought in by american corporations. they look at the amount of money being paid to american ceos and they say why shouldn't they share in the pain that we have

been feeling? >> they also look at the fact that more than 14 million of our fellow americans don't have a job today. i don't think there are a whole lot of economists in the world who think that in a recession and while the experts might say there's no recession, if you are one of those 14 million, you are in a person of recession and not depression. the way to create jobs is to race stakzs on small businesses. it's not the right thing to do. we can agree -- >> what about on people who make over $1 million a year? >> i don't think that's -- that's wonderful rhetoric. we're only going to tax them. that is not going to happen. a significant impact on the deficit at all. the fact is we are spending $1.65 trillion, trillion with a t, more this year than we take in. if we took every nickel people over -- who made more than $1 million a year earned from them, we wouldn't balance the budget over the course of the next ten years. it is not the solution. the solution is to reduce government spending and to grow

the private sector economy. that's how you generate revenue. not by ringing the neck of the golden goose a little bit tighter. it's by growing the economy so that you have more people working, paying taxes, contributing to our economy, and helping to create the optimism about the future we as americans should have. >> you know, you and i have known each other a long time. i covered you all throughout your governorship. when i saw that ad for your group, it seemed like a political ad to me. it sort of had some echos of some things i've seen from you before. you've been to iowa twice in the past month. you're heading to new hampshire. are you running for and do you think you could win the nomination? >> well, i'll tell you, i think we need leadership, and i'm certainly thinking about it because you look at where we are as a country. >> don't you have to get in soon if you are going to do it? >> i think, sure, you have to, and it's something i'm considering, but i think whoever the republicans nominate has to have a very solid plan as to how they're going to deal with the deficit, one that works from the standpoint of looking towards the balanced budget, one that will help grow the private sector economy and create the

jobs we need, and one the american people can say, yes, this makes a lot of sense. >> so give me a yes or no because we're out of time. will we have a deal by august 2nd? >> i think something will happen. i don't think it will be a deal that deals with the deficit in a way that it has to, but i would hope something happens by then. >> governor, george pataki, always good to see you. thank you so much. all nine gop presidential candidates were invited to speak at one of the largest regular gatherings for latinos in the country. none accepted. is the gop conceding the latino vote? we have details on that ahead. meantime, the accused mass murderer in the twin attacks in norway is being arraigned this morning. a judge has denied his request for an open hearing where he apparently hoped to publicly air the radical views he outlineed in a 1,500 page manifesto. 93 people were killed and norwegians are still reeling from the devastation. nbc's jay gray joins me now from oslo, and, jay, what's happened thus far? you're there near the courtroom?

>> reporter: chris, i'm actually outside of the main cathedral here in oslo. you did a great job of describing two very different situations unfolding in this city right now. let's start with the court case. the judge has come out after that closed hearing to talk a little bit about what went on inside. he says that the suspect did, indeed, confess to the killings, but says that he should not be punished because he was in his words trying to stop muslim domination across western europe and also because he felt like that the labor party needed to be slowed down in this country. he is going to be held for at least eight more weeks, four of those in isolation, and then there will be another hearing to see how they move forward. the other side -- and you described it -- is this. all of the memorials ark you will of the people who have poured out to pay their respects to the victims and everybody affected here. this has grown immensely in the last couple of days, chris. when we were here sunday, it was about a 12 foot by 12 foot block

of candles and flowers, and now it stretches down at least a city block and continues to grow. we've seen rain all day here, but it has not stopped hundreds who feel like they have to be here. they paused here. some saying for hours just to think about what's happened and where they go to next. chris. >> we have heard reports of the leadership there just breaking down in tears and understandably so. what a scene. jay gray, thank you for that report. let's bring in nbc national investigative correspondent michael isokopf now. i think this incident has been refocussing attention on the surge of right wing terrorist attacks, but is that true of attention here in the u.s.? >> absolutely. it's certainly reigniting about whether u.s. officials are paying enough attention to the very real threat of fringe extremist terrorist groups on the right feeding off islamaphobia and other white supremacist beliefs to threaten

violence, and where there's been a surge in such attacks since just in the last couple of years -- actually since president obama has been elected, i spoke this morning with darrell johnson, that's the former homeland security analyst who wrote a report on this very issue in 2009. it became very controversial. the report was withdrawn by the homeland security department. he said he thinks this norway bombing should be a wake-up call to pay attention to exactly this sort of threat. >> giver us a sense of what you know about this 1,500 page manifesto, and does it give us any clues because i know one of the things is that this suspect closely followed the bitter american debate over islam. >> absolutely, and, look, there's a lot we don't know about the norwegian suspect, who he was working, what was really motivating him. certainly the manifesto gives us a lot of clues. it's lengthy.

it mentions a number of bloggers and spokes people in the united states who have been very critical of the islamic threat and have been accused of islamaphobia. we have to be careful because a lot of this is legitimate political speech. one of them, robert spencer, speaks at gatherings of conservative groups in the united states, has been welcomed with them, and does not endorse violence against anything like what we saw from the norwegian suspect, and those bloggers, mr. spencer, and pam gellar, another one quoted in the norwegian suspect's manifesto, fired back on their blogs in the last day saying, look, you cannot associate us with this sort of violence. >> all right. michael, more to come. thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. also results are expected later today on grammy award

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house minority leader nancy pelosi will formally call for an ethices investigation today into congressman david wu. the accusation is he had an unwanted sexual encounter with the daughter of a long-time friend. on friday wu issued a statement saying, and this is the entire statement, "this is very serious, and i have absolutely no desire to bring unwanted publicity, attention, or stress to a young woman and her family." two big names missing from the iowa straw poll ballot. texas governor rick perry and sarah palin. both gop stars are undeclared. perry says he will make a decision in a couple of weeks. palin will announce in a few months. new jersey's governor chris christie insists he is not running in 2012, but he is hanging out in iowa today. he will speak at an educational conference in des moines and headline a political fundraiser for congressman steve king. the hotel maid who has accused dominique strauss-kahn of sexually assaulting her is breaking her silence for the first time. in an emotional interview with

news week magazine, she swears she's telling the truth and wants the ex-imf head to go to prison for what he has done. she says, "i want him to go to jail. i want him to know there are some places you cannot use your power, you cannot use your money." joining us is former sex crimes prosecutor and criminal defense attorney ricky clayman. nice to see you. nice to have you in studio. we rarely see an accuser come forth before a da has decided what to do about charges. what are the risks here? >> well, first of all, it's almost unheard of in any situation. this whole thing is what one of the lawyers, william taylor, says is good street theater. it is designed to put pressure on the d.a.'s office to go forward and not drop this case. the dangers, the risks, pretty clear. now you have yet another story for the defense attorneys to use for cross-examination. >> a woman whose history has

been admittedly that she has said some things that are not true. >> well, she lied on her asylum application by saying she had been gang-raped. she has lied about her taxes by claiming two dependents instead of one. she lied before the grand jury. she's lied to investigators, and so we go on and on. now we find with this statement alone that she told a different story to the hospital than she has told here, and we also find if thenewsweek" account is correct, that there are only nine minutes that this alleged encounter took place. i think it's high risk, but public pressure may come to bear. >> is it a kind of a hail mayor mary because what i have heard is that when you hear her, when you see her, she presents a very compelling case. she seems very believable, and so it's a way for her attorney to get her out there and say, hey, you make your own decision. >> yes. and probably in that regard it's good strategy because you have to remember these defense attorneys are good. they have lots of information.

perhaps they could affect the d.a.'s office to drop the case, truly in the interest of justice. on the other hand, she is supposedly one of the most compelling witnesses that police, that prosecutors, that everyone else has seen, and apparently she either really is sad and full of tension and full of anger or she's one of the greatest actresses we've ever seen. >> let me ask you what you think as you have been on both sides of these cases. in the end what do you think about her coming out publicly? was it a good idea? >> i think it was not a good idea. i think that first of all these are the types of things that should occur in a court of law. these are not things that should be out there for the public. if it was a good idea at all, at all, it's only if the prosecutor's office goes forward, if deep inside they were really thinking of dropping the case, and, frankly, if they were dropping the case, they should have done it a long tile ago. >> rikki, good to see you. thanks for coming in. >> thank you. back from the dead. a court in illinois declared

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this afternoon president obama will speak to the national council of -- the largest latino civil rights organization, but it could be a tough room. loraza's head says the president p hasn't kept his promise on immigration reform, and the unemployment in the community remains high. jose is -- good morning. how are you, jose. >> good morning, chris. indeed, you know, you have to remember that among the national hispanic audience, unemployment

is over 11%, and it hasn't gone down at all in quarter after quarter, so unemployment is high. he made promises to the hispanic community, president obama did, when he was a candidate in 2008, saying that if he won the presidency, and we have to remember he received 67% of the hispanic vote. he said if he promised if he won the presidency, immigration reform would be a priority in his first year, and we're in to year two, plus something and still nothing has been achieved as far as immigration reform. >> he is -- he went to puerto rico last month. >> oh, yeah. >> and now he is going before what i think they're expecting maybe 25,000 people at this conference. what do they want to hear from him? what can he say? >> well, you know, chris, it's such a great question. i think -- and this goes back to the meetings i have on a daily basis with people in the streets of the united states. latinos will tell me, listen, we know his heart is probably in the right place, but it takes more than just talk.

we want to see some results. you know, everybody is aware of the fact that immigration reform is a very touchy, difficult political subject, but they want to see movement. they want to see a national discourse on it. they want to see more than just words and so far that is not occurring. adding the issue of the republicans being in the majority of the house, which makes it even more difficult to see in the future, any real immigration reform going through. >> on the other hand, he is going, and loraza's president asked all of the presidential hopefuled to attend this. they said no. what's going on with that? >> one word. estupidos. >> that's it. well, i mean, seriously, do you think that they have just sort of given up on that? >> it's stupid. it's stupid, chris. it's stupid. >> it's an opportunity you think they're not exploiting? >> look, you know, just speak to people. look, let's have an open

dialogue. if you are in favor of immigration reform or against immigration reform, let's talk about it. you know, to ignore a large organization that is inviting you to speak is really stupid. politically it's stupid because the last census shows it's 50.5 million hispanics, and you know what, the majority are born in the united states and the growth in the hispanic population is in u.s. born hispanics. >> jose diaz-balart, it's interesting and entertaining to have you on, and good to see you as well. >> good to see you, chris. >> you can watch jose on telumundo's significant newer newscast 6:30 eastern time. move over harry potter. make way for captain america. the film took in almost $66 million over the weekend. the best opening among this summer's line-up of superhero movies. harry's magic did not head into week two. the final film dropped 72%, but still took in $48 million. friends with benefits debuted in

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and the over sixty thousand people of siemens are ready to do it again. siemens. answers. welcome back to "jansing and company." the cure for our summertime blues would be to get rid of this bully of a high pressure. right now this is the heat maker continuing even though we're talking about some relief. new york, chicago, minneapolis. as we look ahead to who is going to be hot this week, of course, the central part of the country, and eventually, again, the northeast. as you look through monday from the mid-atlantic back through the central plains and then you can see philadelphia by tuesday into wednesday back up into the 90s. new york will be back up to the mid 90s by the end of the week. unfortunately here, zero relief at all. no cold front in sight. in fact, we have another day where we could see a few record highs from san antonio to lubbock on into oklahoma as well, including you folks in oklahoma city. that will continue tomorrow.

unfortunately, where we're seeing the record heat, the worst of the heat progressing. it is exactly where the drought is the worst, and you're looking at the drought monitor. again, exceptional drought. continues to spread throughout texas. 75% of the state on into oklahoma as well. on top of the heat, the dryness. there is literally nothing down the pipeline at all of any significance to bring any rain relief to this part of the world. chris, back to you. >> thank you so much. now, let's take a look at some other stories people are talking about right now. a brown bear attacked a group of seven teenage nerz the lats lass wilderness. two of the teens sustained life-threatening injuries, but all seven were hurt, including 17-year-old sam gottsiegen from colorado. joining me on the phone samuel's parents, mindy and john. i want to thank you both for taking the time to speak with us. what can you tell us about sam's condition right now. >> we spoke to him several times yesterday, and he was alert and

seems to be on the meant. still kind of shocked by what happened. >> i can only imagine how shocked he is, john. john, can you tell us what he told you. what does he remember about this? sdwro he told us how they were walking along a stream, and this other young man was up front, and they came across this bear. we think it was a sow bear with a cub. that it started attacking the group, and the group sort of scattered, and after the bear basically attacked the young man up front, he went after other kids in the group and that's when sam got pushed over and bit. then the whole deal with the rescue took a little while just because of the location and so

on. >> and, mindy, i can't even imagine as a mom what you went through. tell us how you found out about this and what it was like for you when you were able to finally speak with him on the phone. >> well, i first got the call from the outdoor group organization, and they really had very little information becau because. >> they were getting very little information. they couldn't pass it on to me. they didn't have any information to pass on, and i just -- i just feared the worst, and i didn't know who was alive and who wasn't. >> did you know immediately that it was a bear attack? >> all they knew was that a bear -- it was a bear attack, that it had happened the night before, and so here it was 8:00 new york time. i was on the east coast at the

time, and -- or it was 10:00 east coast time, and, you know, here they had gone eight hours with -- and they were just being evacuated, you know, by helicopters at 10:00, and so i just -- i knew they had spent the night alone, and then i thought that couldn't be very good. i'm sure that they were bleeding and stuff, so anyway, it was about an hour before i even found out that sam was alive. >> jeez. john, how many long and excruciating hours was it before you were able to talk to your son? >> well, i -- i ironically was camping up in the woods here in colorado and was out of cell range. when i got back, i saw a bunch of text messages, and the first message, i saw them in reverse order, so the first message i saw was don't worry, sam is okay. is he in the hospital. he has a punctured lung, and then i went down the list of them and went, oh, my god. so once i got that, i called the

outdoor leadership school and called the hospital and got to talk to him pretty soon after i say the message. >> and mindy, are you going to be able to make your way to alaska? will you be able to see him soon? >> yeah, we're flying up there today. >> well, wow. what an incredible story, and thanks to both of you. good luck to sam. what's the prognosis right now, mindy? >> his prognosis is pretty good. our hearts go out to the other boy who was more severely injured. >> yeah. i do want to say that we've been kind of bombarded by media and news and so on and we're sitting here thinking of the boy and just, you know, who got it worse than sam and we're just really hoping and praying for him and just we're really praying for his family and just sending them the best wishes we can. >> i'm sure the thoughts of prayers, thoughts and prayers of everyone watching this go out to sam and all those who were victims in this, and thank you again. safe travels to you and good

luck. >> thank you. all right. let's talk debt, shall we? seems like everybody has their plan to deal with the debt problem, but there's no consensus, and democrats and republicans have got to come together soon. >> i think we have got 48 hours within which to do something very, very meaningful. senator reid is working on something that i think would be very good. i would hope senator mcconnell will join him in that. >> there you have it. jim cleiburn says 48 hours. luke russert on capitol hill. let's start with a plan that he was just talking about. harry reid's plan. what can you tell us about it? >> that's right. it's going to be very interesting to see which plans are going to come out of congress this week. let's start with the senate. harry reid, his plan would cut about $2.7 trillion off of the national debt, and that would be by cutting across the board at federal agencies. specifically, the pentagon. there would be no cuts to medicaid, medicare, and no new revenue, so you have cuts, but

no new revenue, which is a republican mainstay that they have absolutely wanted no new taxes. now, let's look at john boehner in a separate plain that's been offered in the house. aides from the gop tells us that his plan would look like this. it would be two stages. it would operate within the framework of cut, cap, and balance. it would cut around $3 trillion. how would that work? well, the treasury's authority to borrow would going up about $ 00 billion immediately. that would be coupled with $1.2 trillion in cuts, and then there would be a 12-member panel appointed by leaders in congress who would have to identify $1.6 trillion more of cuts to happen by the winter of next year. both of these proposals as of right now are not supported by the -- the speaker's proposal is not supported bit white house because they view it as a temporary debt limit because it does not give enough confidence to consumers in this already fragile economy. especially with folks saying that this same battle would

happen again in january. what we can tell you now, chris, is that the senate and the house are pursuing two different options. we heard last night from a gop senate aide that there is some sort of bipartisan agreement, but because there's a temporary extepgs, the white house rejected it. this is going to turn into a very interesting game of whether or not they can pull one single idea or whether they pursue separate ways all the way to the end of the week. if they do, that becomes a very dangerous game of chicken, chris, to see ultimately which side will blink first. >> no kidding. especially given the fact that even though we've been saying eight days. technically the day the deadline is really much closer than that. luke, thank you so much. >> take care. the threat of default is taking its toll on the markets, and this could be just the start. cnbc's melissa frances keeping an eye on what's moving your money. still to debt dealing, as we just heard, melissa, so how are the markets reacting? >> well, the markets are trading lower again as we watch and wait. the polls have shooting up. it's up about $1,600 and now

it's up another $14 or so so far today, and there you can see stocks trading lower. where you aren't seeing it though and it's really surprise issing in the bond market. if you look at the trade on the ten-year government treasury, this is the government's tool for borrowing money. you can see the yield there is sitting right at 3% this morning, and if the bond market was really worried, they would be selling those bonds much lower, and you would see that yield going much higher, but that's not what's happening. people are in there continuing to buy treasuries. so you see sort of this dichotomy between the bond market and the stock market. one of the reasons that the bond traders aren't worried at least is if you look at notes from economists like peter out of the university of maryland, he is saying, you know, that revenues collected by the government exceed $180 billion a month, that the interest on the bond market -- on bonds outstanding is only $30 billion, so they have more than enough money to continue to roll over the debt and continue in treasuries, and even make social security payments for a while with the revenue they've gotten if they manage it correctly, but we're really, you know, watching the

stock market very closely. everyone believes the deal is going to get done. that's the bottom line. we'll see what happens if it doesn't. back to you. >> melissa francis, thank you so much. well, maybe you heard the report that the number one reason people lose their contact lists is bringing phones into the bathroom. now, arguably there's an easy fix for that. really, you need your phone in the bathroom? leave it outside. but if you are at the beach or the pool and who can you believe blame during this heat wave, what do you do about it then? joining me now technology expert daniel seaburg, author of the digital diet, which no with kun go on because everybody is taking their photos into the bathroom. >> when ch we don't recommend generally. >> there are some options. smart folks have been coming up with some of them. let's starts with the magellan. they call it the toughcase. >> it's a little bulky. that's the draw back. on the plus side it's more than just a case. it will boost your battery life and improve your gps signal. it has some pluses in terms of

getting your phone more oompf and more power out of it too if you are on the go. >> cheaper, $69, the seal abox. >> this is smaller. this is rated for about a meter down for 30 minutes. this is more for snoshgelling than it is for let's say scuba diving, but if you want to use your iphone for some pictures or some video, just that shallow depth, very handy, and you did see it's slimmer than the magellan toughcase. >> a lot of people say they carry like a little pouch with them when they go swimming because they don't want to leave their stuff on the beach, and they probably don't want to spend -- >> or if you are "aboat or $195. >> cheaper price, and if you are out at sea or in a lake or something and are you on a boat, and it accidentally goes over the side, in this case it's totally sealed up and it will even float so you can retrieve it. on the down side you can see that you can't actually use your iphone while it's in this case.

it's totally sealed up. you can't use the touch screen or anything like that, but very robust. you can call that an industrial strength case. >> and then for $11.99, the expansys waterproof. >>ates decent case. it has a twist off top to get it in and out fairly easily. you can still use the touch screen on this one. so water and electronics do not mix together, as you know, and so choosing one of these is a good idea. >> you know, there was a funny tweet today from ashton kutcher, and he is living the nightmare everyone else has lived. pool versus iphone. pool won, phone zero. first company to make a waterproof smartphone wins. that's not happening, but, you know, there's something to be said for the good old zip lock bag. >> there's a low tech way to do this. i'm here to tell you it does work. you can put your iphone into a zip lock bag and maybe use duct tape to seal it up. this isn't going to work in every case, obviously, but you can still use the touch screen through the bag, and we tested

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>> we're talking about the biggest, most powerful drug cartel in mexico, and they're responsible for a lot of massacres down there, but north of the border where they have been in large distribution systems, it's largely done trying not to capture a lot of attention. it's very low profile. there's not a lot of violence involved, and it's very efficient in moving the goods across the border into california up to l.a. and across the nation. >> when you say across the nation, you mentioned there are literally dozens of cities where these loads of drugs are heading, right? >> dozens if if not hundreds, and they have hundreds of workers. stash house operators, drivers, load car coordinators, recruiters, transportation coordinators. it's not scar face. it's really ups. it's fedex. it's a very efficient distribution network system that doesn't get a lot of attention, and it's done intentionally that way. they don't want it a lot of attention. >> one of the men allegedly

running drugs into california is a decorated iraq war vet, and you write that the smugglers were your next door neighbor, the guy ringing you up at wal-mart, the big tipper at appleby's. how do these seemingly every day folks get sucked into this drug underworld? >> well, first off, it's good money. this cell was located here on the california-mexico border in imperial county where there's not a lot of jobs. there's very high unemployment rate, and for a night's work, driving a car from the border to l.a., you could make up to $5,000. a lookout could make a few hundred dollars simple will for watching a car cross the border. it's a very sophisticated operation on the border. as many as six or seven cartel operatives will work on trying to get the drugs across the border. >> can you see where $5,000 for a night's work seems pretty appealing if you are out of work? >> how was the d.a. able to

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