away from the big ideas we were discussing with governor rendell and the panel. jimmy, karen and susan are all here. small plans playing out congress just reach add deal to end the partial faa shutdown that left

tens of thousands with a paycheck and compromising our ongoing safety work but the overall further per sermgs of our government's ability to actually make decisions with a shared purpose that is in a positive direction and shared values to do it. governor, unfair to look at this faa latest as a microcosm of exactly what we're talking about? >> absolutely pathetic. absolute pathetics. we're letting union politics get in the way of safety, get in the way of construction projects, get in the way of the federal government collecting hundreds of millions of dollars in taxes. it was pathetic and give harry reid a little credit. talk was the president was in the room during this process and he tried hard to do association but harry reid i think has been great throughout the entire process and my understanding harry brokered this and put it together. >> and susan, you've been talking how politicians reality

to this process. is there any aspect of public shaming or the market rejecting everything as they are right now that gets into the mind of somebody where they think, we must reverse course, a conversation where bill fleckenstein what is the amount of pain? public humiliation, being ridiculed in the media for this nonsense and have governor rendell call you pathetic and a financial market in a sell-off as a direct rejection? at what point, what is a sitting congressman ar senator think? >> unfortunately, how do i jump on and get press and make myself look good and i have answers to it. that's the truth. >> that's my question and wipe i asked that question. i appreciate that answer. >> what should we do or say to make ourselves look good? secondly, be concerned enough that they're not going to be re-elected or that things are going so bad, 500 points is horrible. $5 gas is worse. when people, constituents, really feel it and have to make

sure they'll get re-elected they have to compromise. >> karen? >> i agree with susan that job number one is figure out how can i leverage this so at least i lose less if i can't look good. but then what i would hope, frankly, and i thought i heard something that suggested that actually members of congress are not actually doing as many town halls, shock, this recent -- than they have maybe in the past. champion i wish they would and i hope every single american, if you see your member of congress out and about, go up and tell them how disgusted you are. go up and tell them you will hold them accountable. we've talk and this before. until there is a political consequence, it doesn't change, because look at what's happening here in washington over the last few week. everybody was talking to each other spinning each other despite the fact again as we saw today the markets were saying something different. the poll, most people were saying something different and it was a lot of that was shut wg

on. the tinderbox, the danger, you have this disgust and resentment and vick imization and the population and anger, all this, you have politicians who are really into retaining power, whatever the mechanics of achieving that or perceived to be that day might be. the question is, is there a way to convert that rage and frustration which right now is manifesting itself in a destructive capacity? people look at this sand, you know what? shut the government down. these people don't know what they're doing. get this whole thing out of here? a pleasing, like a 4-year-old that doesn't like the situation and is very emotionally pleasing to take that anger and frustration and convert it into a terminal or destructive act because it feels better. at the same time we all know if we do not harness that energy in some way that is creative and constructive towards prosperity goals in any way, that that energy will release itself. we can't pretend, the democratic party has screwed up by

pretending that the energy and frustration that is there either doesn't exist or doesn't matter. i feel like the republican party has said, it's there. let's use it for an agenda that is destructionive. how do we take that energy and not deny its existence or manipulate it for destructive purposes butting knowledge it and engage it towards a constructive ledge of engagement? >> i want to remind people this is the first time the person people have been pissed off at theirs government. i recall as a small child the nixon era when people lost faith massively in their government. in 1992 when i was moving to washington, d.c. from south carolina, you remember the neat little man called ross perot and the movement you talk about and that the move nant he sort of energized and internalized and became that candidate for that. but i want to say something. i want to remind people of something very simple. democrats are at fault and republicans at fault.

democrats need to grow a set of balls and come up with ideas running around saying republicans are evil. i want to remind people my republican friends have done something very interesting. remind them that newt gingrich said i want medicare, whatever it was, to wither on the vine. republicans don't want government. they want to starve it to death. democrats don't have ideas to go and propose to the governor, just talked about that. democrats grow a set of balls and republicans to realize actually government can help people and should. and should leave people alone when they don't need it. >> we are going to keep the panel. wonderful conversation from everybody. i'm pleased to participate in this. i really enjoyed the conversation with all of you. governor, thank you for making it as good as it was, and helping us out. thank you, governor. >> my pleasure, dylan. the panel stays. the governor goes. straight ahead -- we are not the only dysfunctional nation nor the only one looking for prosperity. china has many of its own

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for all of our conversation, one of our greatest trading partners and allies, they are financier of our own government and one of our greatest potential competitors, china. over a billion people, millions of our jobs, of course, trillions of our debt, they are the second largest u.s. trading partner and like it or not, the country of china is now inextricably linked to our own nation. but how much do we truly understand about that country,

its own diversity and how it functions behind the great wall? is it, in fact, the monolith we conveniently absorb for purposes of our own political dialogue? our xoek kskoka, he's written a new book. the changing he saw taking place in beijing especially during the '08 olympic games. karen and susan and jimmy are also here. tom a pleasure. what do america's leaders who engage in policy with china, not just on trade, but across the board, need to understand about chinese culture and its nation in order to give them a better chance of actually having constructive relations? >> two things i think that need to be considered in the conversation about china. first of all, it's mo complex than we give it credit for being. we think of it as having a

one-on-one to see who's the best country, and that's not going an effective way of thinking about china. in the case of just the past week or so, the whole default business, a segment of china that's cheering for the u.s. to look foolish, but also a segment that counting on the u.s. to be able to pay back its debt. so we're -- tied up with them in any number of ways. the other thing is, really, the scale of china is something that's very hard for us to understand. you said a billion-plus people. we often talk about china as being a billion people, but, in fact, it's 1.3 billion. and the .3 billion is the population of the entire u.s. round off the entire population of the u.s. and you have kchina. >> susan, go ahead. >> when you're saying we have to understand them better, better

culturally ask i take it not just in business and not just trying, like you said, to one-up them. we want to beat them, be better, yet we hear their system is so much better. what do americans need to understand about the chinese so at least they're not trying to fight them as much as they can, maybe, compete and together find better solutions for themselves here? >> well, china is -- we think of china as being so centralized that there are commissars issues -- >> they're not? >> they're not. the authority is per vaesive the pervasive but not as centralized as we think. competing with different agendas trying to reach different goals which is why you can have these kinds of results when they talk about opening up and you can see it in the rail system. it's an interesting case.

there was that accident that just happened there. where you have i think the tension of china clearly on display. where's there's this extremely ambitious and inspiring national agenda of trying to put the country together with state-of-the-art infrastructure, but you also have these, the rail bureaucracy and the actual people in charge of the construction who are not necessarily on the same page as everyone else, and you have these -- >> which leads to a really ambitious plan and underlined l lacking in integ get a and you get a train that can go off the train and kill people? karen, go ahead. >> well, on that hope note -- >> which are we talking about? i can't remember. >> exactly. i actually traveled to china, spent time there in the '90s with then first lady hillary clinton and one of the things that was, as an american woman, particularly hard to see in

addition to some of the human rights issues is just the role and treatment of women and girls in chinese society, and so you having been there more recently, i wonder if you could speak to, in terms of chinese culture and society how women are doing, and what kind of role, if any, they're playing in the economic life of china? >> i think that the, there's a -- there's a deep commitment ideologically to quality there. and in some ways, women are well represented in the work force. i think the underlying concern is more at the sort of individual level where you have this tremendously skewed gender profile of the country as a result of selective family planning, where -- where people want to have a son more than a daughter, and if they're only going to have one, thanks to -- although there are supposed to be policies to prevent people

from finding out the gender of their child. >> you're saying ultimately, the gender issue in china is, the biggest gender issue in china, a huge disproportionate percentage of the population that is young men? >> right. i think this is -- it's a commonplace among people who study these things that things get worse for women when you have this sort of large population. >> jimmy, go ahead. >> tom, like karen, i'd gone to china when i was working in the senate and i remember my boss, senator durbin said, before i go -- before i went he said i want you to tell me what your impressions are of chine nap before you go and when you get back, let's talk. my impression was that china, everyone was orderly. it's a communist country. they have to follow the rules. they walk in straight lines. they do everything that they're supposed to do. they don't break the law.