furious as they've been at any point many the last 16 years. >> and the president's under pressure to do something big. >> if i were the president i'd call the congress back in and said you're not having a summer vacation. get back here. >> if he calls back konks that places the onus on congress to actually do something. >> the last thing this guy needs is more tactics and cleverness. what he needs is a heart and real action to put people back to work. >> while back on wall street it's anyone's guess how thins will turn out today. >> this market's got something for everyone. not in a good way. >> let's look at the numbering right now. the dow jones industrials off in a big way down 364 points. the s&p has slipped almost 36 points. we're looking at the nasdaq, plummeting here another 68 1/3 covering wall street and the white house right now mandy drury is at cnbc world headquarters and kristen welker at the white house. mandy, what specifically is moving the market as we speak.

>> you can see the nervousness here. i was taking a look at gold. we're $10 from cracking $1800 from one ounce. money is pouring into investments considered safe including the ten-year treasury. two main reasons, even though the fed's plenged to keep interest rates at nearly zero with somewhat of a backstop to the market it's because the economy is weaker than expected. second, europe. what kind of country is debt laden countries and the banking sector in whether it's serious or manageable. that's weighing on u.s. financial stocks as well. to the ewe row problem france we have a double whammy there. speculation they could lees the aaa rating. and rumors about possible trouble at another company plummeted an unprecedented 21% before it denied all market rumors. there's fear we could see a bank failure in europe. >> we're watching the markets right now. i know that the president of france is meeting with his

government ministers cut short a vacation to try a get a handle on what they can do about the situation with italy and spain. in the meantime back here in the united states, kristen, what's our president doing to try to staunch the flow of blood? >> reporter: the white house says the president is focused on this problem 24/7. but as you know, a lot of democrats right now want to see more action. there's been some rumbles around here that he could actually call congress back. not clear if that's going to happen. i reached out to some folk tons hill who say they haven't heard from the president yet. at least at this point in time doesn't seem like that's imminent. what we will see is the president traveling a little bit later on this week and next week. next week he'll be taking a tour throughout the midwest talking about jobs and the economy. then we expect him to present his ideas for deficit reductions to that bipartisan, bicameral supercommittee that will con

queen in september to try to identify more deficit reductions. >> we have these choices now to sit on the supercommittee to try to move this thing forward. there was a lot of criticism about what the democrats are on this. what about the republican side here, kristen? >> well, contessa it's interesting. one of the things that president obama has been calling for is a balanced approach, entitlement reform, tax reform. it will be interesting to see if this committee can get that. we're seeing those republicans that you just put up on the senate side, senator john kyle, senate too maniy, senator portman and then on the house side, when sarling, camp and upton. camp says on the ways and means committee. so he's been dealing with tax reform for quite a while. a lot of people wondering is this an admission by republicans that they know that tax reform will in fact need to be on the table here. having said that, all six of these picks signed that pledge by grover norquist not to

increase taxes. so we'll to have see how that plays out. again, the president expected to put his own proposal forward here, contessa. as you say democrats feel he's not doing enough. they are focused on the proposal. we haven't heard from the white house when the proposal will be releesd or exactly what it's going to look like. >> thank you for keeping an eye on that. mandy drury thanks for keeping an eye on the markets. of course, the economic crisis is turning into a crisis of leadership for the country. and the president as you heard kristen say is really taking the hits from the left, from the right, from the middle. over how to get things moving. john thon alter is an msnbc political analyst. he's taking hits from all sides. would it be better for him now to switch modes to stop being so measured, he is thoughtful, he is logical. he makes compromises. do the american people want to see him don on the boxing gloves

and coming out fighting? >> you know, i think some liberals are saying that they want to see him do that. i'm not sure the american people as a whole want to see him go pugilistic on the country. they want to see him do something. it's easy for us to say do something, mr. president. but he needs to. he needs to be creative. he needs to show leadership. >> in the crisis after 9/11 we saw the president do that. we saw george bush come out in righteous anger in mighty wrath he gathered and unified the national as a whole. we're in a crisis now, where is that greater unifier? >> are we in a crisis we're having an august swoon in the stock market. it's a long overdue correction. the idea that somehow everybody's going to lose, a big chunk of their portfolio the way they did on paper and those who panicked lost it in 2008, bedon't quite know and the

indications are that as bad as things are rugts now, this ain't 2008. but what it is is the awful august of 2011 and the month's not even half over. because it's going to be september before the new economic indicators this be month is going to be dreadful. the idea of the president taking a vacation, i know he and his people feel he needs a vacation, the idea of him going to,artha's vineyard this month is a bad one. i think pretty soon they'll recognize it. >> speaking of bad and dreadful and the other ajektives, the gallup drally tracking poll puts approval of the president at 42%. there's a slew of op-eds saying this is a test of president obama's one-term presidency. you have maw rein dowd calling him with withholder and chief. and the washington examer saying the romance is gone. how does he turn that around?

>> well, you know, i think a lot of people inside the white house are trying to figure that out right now. the main requirement is to recognize that he needs to make some kind of a mid course correction. and the thing about barack obama is he doesn't like to get, you know, all goosed up by the cable networks as he's said in the past. he tries to take a longer view and not go by this day-to-day fever meter. so right now he's kind of saying take a deep breath. he's focused now now on the fact that we lost all those great soldiers over the weekend in afghanistan and he's dealing with their families now. and he's out to dover yesterday. he's got other thins on his mind than whether pundits are happy with him right now. i don't think he's happy with liberals who are making most of the noise right now.

he needs to get independents. in order to get independents, i'm not disagreeing with your premise, he needs to show stronger leadership. so what the white house must be focused on now in the next few weeks is where they want to do it at labor day or sooner they need to give a speech to the american public that works, that is not like that loser that he delivered on monday that just not only did it fall flat, but the market tumbled even more afterward. >> thank you. let me bring in rans prix bus who chairs the republican national committee. he got a lot of criticism for that speech. there's a lot of criticism to go around here a lot of it is for the republicans in congress. do they need to think about some of the same things, what works, what doesn't work, what do the american people, what do their constituents really want from them? >> i think, contessa, what you're seeing is that i think americans are frustrated with a lot of people in washington.

so i would agree with that. if you look at the recent past with what the republicans are doing, they're making the tough choices. they're presenting the paul ryan plan for a budget. they're presenting cut, cap and balance. they're presenting another, the ultimate plan with a joint effort between john boehner and mitch mcconnell and harry reid. i think that what americans are starving for and i think johnthan is correct, they're starving for real authentic leadership in this country. not necessarily republican or democrat, but real leaders to make tough decisions to put america back on track, they're seeing a president that isn't leading. i think mr. alter was exactly right when he said that the president needs to do something. you can't just sit here stuck in the mud not making any decision, having meetingings giving press conferences, speeches. the president needs to do

something. what the american people are seeing is a president who is not engaged. when he is engaged can't seem to get anything done. they're not seeing a leader. while your numbers i haven't seen them, i presume they're all correct, the problem is that the fish rots at the head. the leader of our country is become bam he's not fulfilling his promises. he's not engaged. >> i'm sure the president and his people would push back against saying he's not engaged, of course he was involved in the negotiations for a deal raising the debt ceiling that he's been very intent on meeting with congressional leaders and trying to push through legislation that helps improve the economy and in the meantime, youb very public in your criticism now in terms of the people that have been chosen to sit on this supercommittee over the debt. you've been very public in your criticism of the treasury secretary who served under the new york fed under bush and then of course, now as treasury

secretary with obama in the white house. what is it that you see that needs to be changed? >> well, i mean, contessaer you're right, in meetings and calling meetings and having meetings that's one thing. but actually putting something on paper, a plan for the american people to see, the president hasn't done. the democrats haven't passed a budget. now we have an economy that's even further many the tank than we started. the president's now begging tim geithner who helped put these policies in place to stay there. he should go. i think the american people have lost all confidence in him. he predicted that we would never be downgraded by the s&p in april. low and behold we are downgraded. then we've got senator murray who was appointed to this debt commission, the supercommittee what they're calling it, and she's the head of the senator yol committee for the democrats. >> do you think she doesn't have the interest of the nation in her as her first priority? >> i think she has -- i'm not questioning the interest that she has as her priority.

i'm sure she's interested in representing the people of washington. i'm not questioning that. i think when a senator takes on the responsibility to spearhead the fundraising arm of the senator yal committee -- but they raise money from pacs. they raise money from people who want to get their legislation through. >> if we look at people that are fundraisers we're in trouble. going into an election year every member of congress, maybe not the senators who are not up for releather -- >> you're point is made. heading up the entire committee is a different ball game. >> i've got to ask you about wisconsin here. being that you're from wisconsin. the senate republicans survived. they maintained control of the senate in wisconsin. and yet it was not -- you didn't get away scot-free.

how is this likely to play out not only for wisconsin, but for the nation. can you extrapolate here forecast for the future. >> sure. i view it as a 100% absolute victory for not osama bin laden people in wisconsin but for all americans that want to make sure that their government is listening and they can start living within its means. after $30 million of big government union money coming in and the manufactured outrage that they've tried to put together in wisconsin, we remain red. we won the race in wisconsin. we won again yesterday. we may win one or two next week. i think for the country it's the start of having the debate and winning the debate that we need to have a country of makers and not a country of takers. i think that's important in saving not only wi by but a lot of other states that are watching. it's a good signal, a good sign and a good tell for the rest of america as to where the lek rat is moving and they're moving to

winning a battle of individual freedom for america. >> it's good to have you on. i typically don't use the word extrapolate in normal conversations. with you somehow, the vocabulary words come out. thank you so much. >> i hope that's a good influence. >> absolutely. thank you. let's take a look right now at the markets. talk about something that makes you want to groan. this is ma pathetic. the dow jones is dropping below the 11,000 mark. s&p off by 34. the nasdaq down 65 points. we'll continue watching it throughout the day. this has been a ping-pong of a day. roller coaster ups and downs. we're also watching breaking news right now coming out of florida where it looks like two of the three of those siblings on the run, remember the three that i was telling you about earlier this week, at least two

of them are in custody in colorado. the colorado state patrol caught two of them half a high speed chase with reported gunfire. this happened south of pueblo, colorado, they've been looking for these three. it's two brothers and a sister. and there were reports coming in that they were in tennessee. they were wanted because they started running from police in florida, actually fired some 20 times, at least 20 times at the deputy. took a big ak-47 into a bank. we've been following the story. now what we're getting is this news, miguel, that two of the three siblings have been caught and are in custody. >> reporter: there's a couple of preliminary reports going out. here's what nbc news has confirmed, authorities have confirmed to nbc news that two of the so-called dougherty gang members have been captured and taken into custody. they were captured about 90

miles south of rei the camping store where they were spotted yesterday afternoon. authorities said they saw their vehicle traveling down a local highway. they tried to pull them over. a short pursuit followed them. it went on for 20 miles. the car was somehow disabled. there was no gunfire. there was no shots that were exchanged. the authorities took two of the three siblings into custody. there are some preliminary reports an nbc affiliate is reporting that a third suspect may be in custody. as you mentioned police have been looking for the so-called dougherty gang for six days now. there's 29-year-old lee grace and the two brothers. the two have led police on a high speed pursuit reportedly shooting at an officer 20 times in florida. from five hours later reportedly robbed a bank in georgia.

investigators have been on their tail ever since then. there's been a nationwide manhunt for them. their face and images have been plastered on billboards from texas to florida. now we're hearing news after being spotted in colorado by several witnesses at a local catching store in colorado springs, they have been captured about 90 miles to the south of colorado springs near the city of pueblo. authorities say at least two of them have been captured. again there are some preliminary reports, reports not yet confirmed by nbc news that the third suspect has also been taken into custody. again, all of this has happened without the exchange of gunfire according to authorities on scene. >> we'll wait to hear about the third suspect. my understanding is when they caught the two the third one took off on foot. you wouldn't think it would be that difficult in that area to try to find him again. we'll wait for confirmation that a third arrest has been made and maybe relief for their mom that they were caught alive because

she had reportedly received a text from them saying that something to the effect of everybody has a time to die. >> reporter: you'll recall these siblings had said and told family and friends that they were not going to be taken to custody alive from a law enforcement perspective they may see this as a good ending to a manhunt. no shots were fired and that's what law enforcement were so concerned about. they were so worried that the so-called doherty gang was going to go out in a blaze of gunfire. >> thank you for saying on top of thattory for us. we're going to take a quick break. break. we'll be right back. there's another way to minimize litter box odor: purina tidy cats. tidy cats premium line of litters now works harder

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another high school football player has died during practice this time in arkansas. montel williams collapsed on the field about an hour into practice and died later at the hospital. no word on what caused the 15-year-old to collapse. it comes after the deaths of two other players in georgia and south carolina and a coach in texas. 10,000 extra police officers calmed the streets of london following the worst riots that city's seen in more than 30 years. the unrest spreads across england and brazen crowds of young people ransack stores and torch cars for a fourth night. michelle is in london now. michelle, what are they doing to bring a stop to it? >> reporter: everything they can, pretty much. they really tried to pour police into these areas. in london it seemed to work. there was publicity for an entire day leading up to it. 16,000 police on the streets. they were able to use more force

than necessary the past couple of days. you have the citizenry saying okay, now thanks for doing this three days later, too little, too late. it does seem to have quieted things down. at least here in london. elsewhere as you mentioned cities like birmingham and manchester had some serious trouble. three young people were killed near birmingham. plowed over by a hit and run driver as they were trying to protect their street. we also know that a man in london is in critical condition when a couple of days ago he stood up to a gang of marauders and they then beat him and posted some video of it on youtube. so all of this has been obviously highly disturbing not only to people in these areas, but to all of england. today the prime minister vowed that he would catch these people by using all kinds of means, technology. he said he wouldn't let phony

arguments of human rights stand manager the way of posting photos online. they're going to trace blackberry messages to see who might have incited violence to spread throughout the country. they've arrested more than 750 people in this. one of them was sentenced to six months in prison. they're trying to crack down after the fact. they couldn't handle it while it was going on. that's caused some anger around here. there's still the question of why this happened. the prime minister today said the mindness selfishness is caused by a lack of responsibility in society. >> michelle, thanks. without a trace, a 3-year-old girl disappears from right in front of her home riding a bike. none of the neighbors say they saw anything. plus a dramatic rescue with a dramatic ending. a boy stuck underwater for 20 minutes before he was saved in the nick of time.

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a 12-year-old boy who spent nearly 20 minutes under water survives following an incredible rescue. it was all caught on camera off the coast of washington state. he was pulled unaccordance out of the surf carried away by a rip tide. one of the rescuers who performed cpr thought the boy was gone. the boy was rushed to a local hospital where just before he arrived, he showed a pulse. >> we were trying to get him to cough. you need to cough. he coughed once. do more. i don't need to is what he said. >> we're looking at each other. >> he spoke a full sentence. it was amazing. >> doctors said the fact he was alive and talking is pretty much a miracle. >> an undersea volcano erupted off the coast of oregon. scientists from oregon state university returned to the site they visited a year ago only to find lava had taken over the sea floor. it's more than 12 feet thick in some areas.

the sub sea volcano rises about 300 feet above the sea floor. we have more breaking news outside pueblo, colorado, at least two of three fugitive siblings has been caught after a high speed chase. these were a trio of brothers and sister who have been wanted in florida for firing off at deputies and going into bank with an ak-47. miguel is bringing us the details. >> reporter: right now we have a confirmed report from the sheriff's department that all three suspects have been taken into custody. they were stotted near pueblo, colorado, 90 miles from where they were spotted yesterday afternoon near colorado springs. the sheriff's department tells us that they identified the car going down a highway. they tried to pull the car over. the car sped up and gave police a pursuit. that car was then somehow disabled. officers were able to take all three of the so-called dougherty

gang into custody. there were conflicting reports if shots were fired. the sheriff told us for the record that no shots were fired. >> thank you very much for keeping tabs on that. appreciate it. >> and -- okay, so let's go to the market reports. we're seeing some actions on this point. we see now the dow jones industrials down by 395 points. look at this, a real slip on the day and we've been sort of on a roller coaster ride since this morning up and down, up and down. brian sullivan is following things for us. brian, what's moving the markets? >> european fears. pretty much wiping out the gains from yesterday, contessa. here's the reality is that the european banks are doing

terribly. their stocks have dropped in some cases 40% to 50% many the last four to six weeks. people say hey, why do we care so much about europe, we have our own problems here? the reality it's a global banking system. number two, combined european gdp is larger than the united states. we think of europe as small nation. collectively they're bigger. so if we see some sort of a financial crisis that needs into maybe a slowing down of the euro zone gdp that's going to hurt american companies. let's not forget caterpillar, boeing they sell a lot of goods to europe. they slow, we slow, that's what's happening in the market today. >> they're cheering this morning when they were ringing the bell, but not so many people cheering now when the dow jones is off by 375 points. brian, thank you for keeping an eye on it. hot on the web today guy fox day makes it into google searches. that's the group that promises to take down facebook.

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welcome back. it looks like they got the guys believed to be responsible for shooting down a chinook helicopter and killing 30 american service members. the pentagon just announced the military hunted down those taliban members believed to be responsible. and at midnight monday night f-16 fighter jets hit and killed them. >> this does not ease our loss, but we must and will continue to relentlessly pursue the enemy. >> what are you learning? >> reporter: hello there. what we do know is from what general are john allen said today. just as you said, they were able to find them. they tracked them down to a district just north of district where this taliban leader and his taliban fighters were able to bring down that helicopter. they say that in fact he and his fighter were responsible for -- bringing the helicopter down. they were not the ones that the

special op ration forces were after. so this is a victory for the u.s. and nato forces here in afghanistan. but at the same time it comes to a great loss. 30 americans and eight afghans all elite members of the nato forces killed on saturday bringing the tragedy to america and afghanistan. >> thank you. the white house is expected to demand the resignation of sere yab president. this is a reaction to his decision to step up the crackdown against protesters. the 4,000 faa employees who were furloughed because of a partial shutdown could get paid for two weeks that they were out of work. a bill was introduced in the house yesterday and congress needs to approve it. there was a small kitchen fire at the house the first family usually rents at,artha's vineyard. they're expected to vacation there later this month. and ted bundy's dna was added to a national database. officials are hoping to solve

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casey's trial. the anthony joined dozens of other people in orlando marking what would have been caylee's sixth birthday. balloons were released and plans were revealed for a memorial. the fbi is joining the search for a missing 3-year-old girl from a very small town in missouri. police think someone kidnapped the girl after she disappeared riding her bike outside her home with her 5-year-old. her parents say they're praying for her safe return. >> she's my life. i'm always with her wherever she is. i'm not going to give up looking for her. >> i love you. you'll always be my princess. we're going to find you. we're going to find you. >> police are using helicopters and dog teams in their search for the toddler. a $45,000 reward is being offered in this case.

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these are their stories. ely is an unlikely fix amateur in seattle's king county courthouse. today the lab bra dor retriever works with the special assault unit. not to sniff out trouble, but help those in it. >> good girl. >> just looking at these dogs allows people to feel more of a sense of calm. >> especially young victims. prosecutor o'neill stevens says the dogs help children abused by a parent or authority figure find the courage to tell their stories. >> the presence of a dog during the course of a stressful trial can sometimes make the difference between a conviction and an acquittal. >> in at least ten states dogs now aid investigative interviews or courtroom testimony. the newest is new york. rosy is new york's first dog to sit at a witness's feet. >> she'll know when you need her. she'll know. she'll come up and see you that she's very gentle. she will never tell your

secrets. >> rosy and other courthouse dogs are professionally trained to be calm, quiet and re-assuring when a victim is stressed. in june rosy sat beside a 15-year-old rape victim as she testified. the assailant convicted and sentenced to 25 years to life. rosy is now an argument for his appeal. but it's not allergies or smells or even behavior that the defense attorney objects torque he says rosy gave a prosecution an unfair advantage. the advantage is sympathy from the jury. >> the dog's presence impacted their ability to decide the issues in the case based solely on the evidence. >> prosecutors say the soothing presence of the dogs is not about sympathy, but getting reluctant victims to talk. four legged friends that provide comfort and unconditional love. back to the breaking news we're following out of colorado now. it looks like we have a third

custody -- third suspect in custody now outside of pueblo, colorado. this is trio of siblings, two brothers and a sister who have been on the run now from florida police after firing on a deputy more than 20 times and here you saw the shots of them going into a bank there with an ak-47. miguel is following the late breaking details. so they have the third guy? >> reporter: the details are still rather fluid. this invest is still clearly unfolding. but sheriff officials have now confirmed to nbc news that all three suspects of the so-called dougherty gang are now in custody. they were taken down in what appears to be a shotout that left one of the suspects most likely grace dougherty shot in the leg. after they were spotted in colorado springs yesterday, it's believed that the dree owe that all three siblings were spotted at a local sub way. officers were able to follow their car and tried to pull them over near pueblo, colorado, what

is about 90 miles south of colorado springs. apparently the suspects would not pull over. somehow their car was disabled. they may have been involved in some type of accident or crash. two of the suspects were immediately taken into custody. one of the suspects were shot in the leg. the suspects were wanted for eight days for a crime spree that has spread several states. they were first wanted in florida for apparently shooting at a police officer some 25 types during a high speed pursuit that went over 100 miles per hour. five hours after that they crossed state lines reportedly in georgia where they allegedly held up a bank with high powered arsenal weapons and then of course, they were spotted in colorado yesterday. so this has been a manhunt that has spread across several states. police have been very concerned that they were extremely armed, but very dangerous that certainly turped out to be a case today as we have just found out and confirmed all three of

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talk about swift. yesterday politico reported that president obama's team planned to rush a bush style swift boat campaign against mitt romney. within hours romney's team shot back with a statement. it's disgraceful that president obama's campaign has launched his re-election with the stated goal to kill his opponent with an onslaught of negative personal attacks. november th, 2012, this will change. and today romney's out with this video.6th, 2012, this will

change. and today romney's out with this video. >> only a more civil and big discourse can help us face the chans of our nation. >> that's not all, according to politico, obama's team could also go personal portraying romney as inauthentic and in a word, weird. msnbc political am list karen finny, david winston a republican strategist currently advises house speaker john boehner and he's the president of the winston group. good to see you both today. >> karen, i can think of a lot of adjectives for mitt romney weird is not one that i would have come up with. >> i think that the whole flip-flopper moniker still stays with him. there was a story that we told that came out last cycle where there was a family vacation and the dog was strapped to the top

of the car and the poor thing got diarrhea. that's pretty weird. that's about as weird as it goes. >> my producers have gone back and compiled a few sort of a video compilation of some awkward moments. here they are. and waiting. >> see if i can get my arms around everybody. muff closer. much closer. who's got your camera? who let the dogs out? >> i don't know. maybe they're awkward. but if the president is trying to paint you as weird and inauthentic does it show the white house considers him the one to beat? >> clearly they're focused on romney as the one to beat. you talk about your opponent when you have nothing to say about yourself. the american public wants

someone that what's going to offer some answers, some solution and direction. republicans try attacking democrats in 2006 in a similar way to try ohold on to the majorities of the house and senate. that was an abysmal failure. >> that's not a oneway street. republicans were attacking democrats, too. it happens in campaigns. there's attack ads. >> that's what i just said. republicans were attacking democrats in 2006 to try to hold on the the majority it was an absolute failure of strategy. the president should take note of that republican failure. again, going back to this point when you're talking about your opponent, it's because you have nothing to say about yourself. >> to be fair, romney has been attacking the president. my read of this story was less that this was a strategic let's put this story out and more of a conversation that then turned into the obligatory here's what the campaign strategy's going to be kind of story. >> here's the difference. but romney was attacked dealing with him on policy in.

this article they said they were going to make it personal, make him look weird. that's a very different level of political discourse. >> do you think this could be a concerted effort to try to weaken romney ahead of the primary because maybe he would prefer to face off with say michele bachmann? >> i would suggest what it is is the president right now given what just happened you look at all the job approvals that have just come out where he's minus ten in terms of job approval he wanted to talk about something else other than policies. that's very apparent to the american people. >> they did point out some of the things they'll be talking about is his record. it was his job to shut companies down. i think this issue of being inauthentic is something he had to deal with last time is going to be fair on the table. >> certainly talk about what he did as governor, when you're talking about making him look weird, that's personal. >> david, karen, thank you both, appreciate your time today.

that wraps up this hour for me i'm contessa brewer. sew you back here tomorrow at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. out west. up next "andrea mitchell reports." that's so much, up next on "andrea mitchell reports" ash crisis of confidence on wall street. what can be done to stabilize the markets? . plus the members of the powerful deficit super committee are revealed. what do the choice say about what we can expect. all that plus the co-countdown to ames iowa. and syria. and should parents pay for textbooks and bus rides? "andrea mitchell reports" up next on msnbc. you name it, i can buy it. and the savings that we get from the early pay discount has given us money to reinvest back into our business and help quadruple our floor space. how can the plum card's trade terms get your business booming? booming is putting more music

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mitchell reports," another roller coaster day on wall street. after a rallying on a pledge from the fed, stocks are back in the red. can the president do anything to restore confidence? how super is the super committee? are on the appointees destined for deadlock. recall defeat. wi