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thanks, gov. but we've been there, done that. plus, should president obama get tougher with political opponents? we'll debate that hot point. and fox news goes after the children. you folks should really pick a fight you can win. welcome to the show, i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, republicans meet your go -- tea party. one piece of last night's debate sums up how far the rank of tea party movement push id the republican base. >> well i'm going to ask a question to everyone here on the stage. say you had a deal. a real spending cuts deal. ten to one as said. spending cuts to tax increases. speaker, you are already shaking your head. but who on this stage would walk away from that deal. when you raise your hand, if you feel so strongly about not raising taxes, you would walk away on the ten to one deal.

[ cheers and applause ] >> did you see those hands? it's like they were being asked, do you support ronald reagan? after all the talk of political brinksmanship, that simmage says it all. to appeal to the tea party, republicans would reject a deal that offers 90% of what they want. how's that for brinkmanship. even the main stream candidates are forced to disevow policies they used in the past. for example mitt romney raised $2 '0432 million on fee hikes on things like marriage licenses and gun permits. raising another 309 million by closing corporate loop holes. in fact, taxes were key in rom flee's bid to raise

massachusetts's s&p rating. now why would someone ignore successful fiscal policy because in the tea party world, all taxes are bad taxes. just listen to tim pawlenty. >> diagree to the cigarette fee. i regretted that. as it turns out, the courts later held it to be a fee, but nevertheless, it was an increase in revenues. >> he regretted a measure that brings in money for the state and makes it harder for people to smoke? funny thing to campaign for tobacco-free kids doesn't regret that legislation. it called his tax increase a victory for kids and taxpayers. joining me now, former dnc chairman and pennsylvania governor ed rendell, now an nbc political analyst, and michael steele, msnbc political analyst and former rnc chairman. mr. steele, you were chairman of

the party and you, i'm sure, watched the debate last night. how do you deal with the fact that it seems to observers like me that tea party now moved the party so far to the right, there's not even a debate in the party between moderate and extreme is like everyone is extreme. >> well, now, i obviously would not agree with that characterization of the party. i think the tea party has a voice within the gop. it is not of the gop. and you know, i know as much -- it is hard for folks to believe that. it really is an independent mover many of ideas and people that a significant number of republicans and activists in the party have embraced, largely because they speak to where the party stood at one time in terms of spending tax policy. now, you know, the degree to which you have canned dates standing in what i noted in that scene, reverend, was the hesitancy, the kind of looking around it see who else was going

to raise their hand or not raise their hand on that. i think as this thing gets a little bit more flesh to it, you will find some of these presidential candidates backing down off of that particular ledge with respect to a ten to one deal, particularly -- >> so you are saying some of them were reluctant? >> i think so. the hands didn't just shoot up. this isn't an automatic, oh, yeah, ten to one, i'm there. but for some others, look around at hands, went back done then back up. i think there is sort of trying it figure out what does this mean? that's why you hate hypotheti l hypotheticals as an elected official or candidate because you don't know how that is going to play out. >> that's why i want to ask you because i didn't understand it. so now that i understand it, governor ren dell, so if i'm sitting home, depending on my medicare, my medicaid, and my social security, i should feel

better that they didn't anxiously throw their hand up to cut me off, they reluctantly said, throw grandma to the wolves. >> governor, before you answer that question, reverend, i don't appreciate the characterization of what i just said because that is not what i just said. i gave you an analysis of what happened and you have to keep it into the context. if you want to have a characterization conversation, we can do that. >> it is noted. but what you said is they were reluctant -- >> some were. >> some were. when the question was, if you had everything you wanted but revenues, would you go for the deal. and they said no. which is what i'm saying, they would not go for a deal even if it was refofrming some of the things they wanted, even if it would hurt some of the things we believe in, you're saying that some of them rr reluctant. same saying to mr. rendel, i don't know if that would comfort me or not.

is that fair, mr. steele? >> that's fair. >> now, can we have your response? >> that's pathetic on three grounds. it is pathetic that the party of ronald reagan would do this. and they proved your point of the reluctance to do it. they are so touted by the tea party that they are afraid of them. ronald reagan raised taxes six times and never apologized for it. he knew it was needed for the economic health. it is not good politics. 67% of the americans say they want deficit handled by spending cuts and revenue increases, particularly closing corporate loop holes. the american people are outraged that 38% of our corporations, like ge, make big profits and pay no taxes. zero taxes. and number three, it's not good for the country. that should be the most important thing. right now this country is in desperate trouble. we need to reduce our deficit

significantly. and we can only do that by pairing spending cuts and there should be spending cuts on entitlements, yes, but we also have to raise revenues and do it in a responsible way. >> michael, how do you disagree with that? let me just say this. you and i go back and forward, sometime pretty hard on these issues. but one of the things that people look at, you are man with a lot of respect, when i jump on you, i get all kind of tweaks from my aunt that you have to respect mr. steele, even though you are a republican. you help this party when over 60 seats, you raise more money than any other chairman, they threw you into retirement from chairmanship. extremists have taken over the party, even michael steele can't share his point. come on, michael, i know you are a law of republican, but -- >> a couple of things there. i would love to come on and have a discussion on that point about

my chairmanship. >> i would love to be the one have you it with. >> i would be happy to talk about my last two years of chairman of the national republican committee. >> you raised all that money and they said bye-bye. >> do a little obama and talk about what i inherited versus what i left behind. the other side of it though -- >> you sound just like barack obama, but go ahead, michael. >> the other side and i want to tauch with something that governor rendell said. i wouldn't put it into the context that it is pitiful or negative, but i think underlying that is that the same polls also show that people are really upset about the fact that 51% of the american people don't pay taxes at all. that burden still has to be resolved with respect to how we pay and raise revenue in this country and you know, whether it is ten to one deal or four to one deal rightright now we don't have a deal so we have to see exactly how the new era created

by the super committee that everyone agreed will get the job done, whether or not we can actually get something done and move this thing forward. then it'll be interesting to see, al, where these candidates stand on that question of ten to one. >> now let me ask you this, governor ren dell, not only in the tea party world is there no room for compromise, they even redefine what we are dealing with. last night i made a pig tado about how governor romney said corporations were people. then sarah palin explained to me why. >> are corporations people? >> excuse me, the people pay taxes and entities corporations itself pays taches so the people that pay the taxes so mitt romney was right. >> so, people pay the taxes, therefore, the people inand corporate the same thing -- i mean, i sat and watched the

debate with my new pet, boa, bank of america, because if you can have corporations as people, i can have banks as my pet. so me and boa were sitting there watching the debate, even boa looked up at me like, did that make sense? it didn't make sense to him, didn't make sense to me mp governor rendell, we are dealing in a world of people who are dealing in a parallel universe. the problem is, they have taken over the party. where are the moderate republicans? is my question. >> well, they are hard it find. when you cwhen you can find the they are too afraid to speak up. it is destroying the country. this lack of balance is destroying the country and that the most important thing. i wish we all called time-out on electro politics. let's pick up that january 1. in the next four months when we really have to decide what we will do about the deficit, let's do what is right for the

country. that means closing corporate loop holes. it also means adjusting it to warren buffett doesn't pay a lower tax rate than his secretary. i think we have a lot of work to do. i agree with michael, we have to look at the individual tax code, corporate tax code. we should make it fair and make it by closing loop holes, generate the type of revenue we need so we don't have to make all of the cuts on the spending side pf because some of that spending is life and death for people. >> well, go ahead, michael, you have the lard word. >> just two quick points. i, a, would agree with the governor on that point. i think the other thing just as a legal technicality under the law, a corporation is considered a person for all kinds of reasons and for all kinds of things. i don't know if that's where they want to go but that is a technical point. it could very easily made that point and moved on instead of trying to define it and and

explain it. number two, i appreciate all of the attention from the tea party but there is a a burgeon within the democratic party. it found its legs. found its voice. certainly in wisconsin. i think you will experience over the next few dayes a little bit of what we see new on the tea party side as president obama has to make those tough choices as he has already today do. >> well, we'll be talking about that later in the show. >> i hope you do. i think the bottom line point, reverend, is that both parties right now are at a crossroads. philosophically and politically. and how governor rendell and michael steele fit into that discussion as individuals try to find way it get this thing to work is important for the sick says of both parties. >> we will be talking about the progressive side later on in the show. and i would disagree that both are at crossroads. i think the democratic party is at the crossroads. i think the roup republicans have crossed the road.

to prove it, have you promised to come back and tell me how you were the most successful republican chairman in modern history and you were thrown in front of the bus. >> hey, al, i have to leave because say dinner date with a corporation. >> yes. >> and i have to walk my bank of america. take care. ed rendell, michael steele, have a great weekend. >> all righty. was the winner of last night's debate not even there? rick perry is coming. but is praying for the economy the right strategy? as i said, sarah palin's summer bus trip just happened to stop in iowa today. how about that? e the best toffee in the world.

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the rick perry wave is coming. he's getting into the race tomorrow. and his strategy is clear -- be the anti-romney.

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e. iowa is the sernt of the political universe right now. but the guy who might just be the most formidable candidate is nowhere near iowa. texas governor rick perry formally announces his run for president tomorrow. this means the evan evan vel kals have their candidates. don't forget where he was last weekend.

>> father, our heart breaks for america. we pray for our nation's leaders were lord, for pastors, for generals, for governors. that you would inspire them. >> it is not his faith but how he infuses his faith in politics that has some folks worried. >> i'm all too aware of government's limitations when it comes to fixing things that are spiritual in nature. that's where prayer comes in. and we need it more than ever. with the economy in trouble, communities in crisis, people adrift in a sea of moral relativism. we need god's help. >> the economy might need more than prayers. but perry's mission is clear. be the anti-rom flee. rom joining me is democratic

strategist bob shrum and wayne slater, senior flit political writer for the dallas morning news. set coauthor of "bush's brain." bob, how important is rick perry to the evangelical republicans? >> oh, i think he is very important. and i think he is in a unique position. there is some small chance that in the end, he helps romney, if he doesn't take off and splits that evangelical vote between himself and michele bachmann. but i think much more likely, he becomes a bridge between two parts of the republican party. the evangelical elements of the party to which he has very strong appeal, although i think some of what he does there would hurt him in a general election. and the economic base of the party or the people who care about economic issues because he has it stand in a debate and look at rom romney and say, i'm the job creator. you're the job destroyer with your record in job industry.

wayne knows more about this than i do, but i've watched it. seeing what he did to kay bailey hutchison in 2010, what he then did to the democratic nominee bill white, this guy is a tough fighter. once he is 07b that stage, romney is not going to have any more easy nights. >> he is a tough fighter, all right. and he's never lost an election. what makes me fearful, i have nothing against him praying. i'm a minister, i believe in prayer. but i believe in preying, p-r-a-y. he seems to do other things after he prays that i don't agree with. there is a difference in christians with pray and p-r-a-y and p-r-e-y with seniors and working people. let me read you a quote that perry made with the founding

foerjs fathers and as it relates. i didn't think the founding fathers when they put general welfare in their thinking about federally operated program, pensions, nor of foed rally operated program of healthcare. what they clearly said was that those issues, that the states need to address. not the federal government. so, we are talking about a candidate here that is talking about, state rights in many ways, at least being in charge of how we deal with healthcare and other things and for people like me that believe the federal government today insure our rights, that's frightening. >> well, it can be. i mean, reverend, i was there with rick perry two years ago when he was on a stage chanting, states rights, states right, states rights.

again, it is kind of odd you would have a southern white governor at this moment chanting that kind of thing, tenth amendment argument. fundamentally, there are ways that people can pick at his record. as governor. if you look at the latest balance it budget, it basically is going to force, or has begun forcing the layoff of school teachers and has cut back services to the poor and disadvantages. and the mentally ill and mentally disadvantaged? texas. this th is a real problem here but reverend that's an problem in the republican primary. rit now he is playing a game, appealing to evangelicals, and as i said before, not just evangelicals but as bob alluded to, tea party folks. many are the same folks, these are the tea-vangelicals that represent a point of view that agree with the social issues, abortion and gay marriage, but also profitable spending by our

government. so this stuff you are talking about, is not going to hurt him in the primary, though it could come back and bite him in the general. >> bob, you've been a strategist a long time, ran some major campaigns. how much of this is a problem for romney? clearly he has already two in the polls and some people, like yours truly, wonder whether or not palin is keeping herself out of here. not so much to run, but to be the king maker and if she threw behind perry at the right time, for the right concessions of what she would want for that, it could be a major problem and could even overwhelm romney. >> yeah, look, romney proved to be a very weak front-runner. that's one of the reasons perry is getting into the race. he also thinks there's a chance the president can be beaten, that's obvious. but romney's real problem here, is if you watched him last night in that debate, he disappeared

for 10, 15 minutes at a time. he has an old front-runner strategy. he is ahead, and not that far ahead, but he has a front-runner strategy where he will strie to stay where he is and hope he gets to the nomination. that usually didn't work. ronald regan tried that at first in 1908 through the iowa caucuses and it almost caught him the presidency that year. i think romney has some potential here. it'll be interesting to see if romney will go after him on social security and medicare. because some of the tea-vangelicals like the programs. they said keep your hands off my medicare. >> that would show weaknesses. let me ask you a question quickly. one, is it not the cynical side of him. you know him better than the three or any of us -- any one of us. he is cynical and stepping on

the debate by announcing he is going to announce and that is the news the big day then he is going to announce on the day of the straw poll he is is like overshadowing what is going on. is that plan kind of cenacle way he behalves and secondly, where are his weaknesses? i think bob just said, where romney can go, where else can they go that would slow down this train if in fact it started picking up speed and it is not just over the weekend kind of bump. >> you say, cenacle, we call that just good horse sense by a political point of view. of course he is trying to step on the tea party and be in the headlines. part of the headlines over the weekend with this straw poll and so forth. so of course he is. his weakness, interestingly, again, in the primary right now. we are not in the general election. his weakness actually could be, not just romney raising questions about him, but balk man, pawlenty and others raising questions from the right.

even though perry likes to cast himself as the most conservative in the race, he has done things like tried to mandate a vaccination for girls to ward off sexually transmitted disease. that is not going well with conservatives. he pushed and failed with a big toll road project which ran right into the state's rights sort of private property crowd. >> we have to go. don't forget -- >> lots of things. >> don't forget, he did call you to pray for three days when it didn't rain. thank you for your time. have a great weekend. ahead, the heckling didn't stop mitt romney. then flip-flopping. and surprise, surprise, sarah palin is in iowa. today our panel will take on the palin reality show. stay with us. the safety of onstar is now available for your car.

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welcome back. president obama's push to jump-start job growth is in full swing. the president held a closed-door meeting at the white house today with ceos of eight corporations. the topic, how to get the economy going for everyone. despite the wild swings on wall street this week, the big picture shows the stock market is way up since president obama took office. stocks of the 500 largest companies traded in the u.s. have gone up 39% since then. and today we learn that nonfinancial corporations are sitting on more than a trillion dollars in cash. that's up 59% in the last three years. yet, the unemployment rate is still at 9.1%. this doesn't add up.

companies do have money. but something's in the way. president obama is clear about who's to blame. >> what we can control is what happens in washington. unfortunately what we have seen in washington the last few months is the worst kind of partisanship. there is nothing wrong with our country. there is something wrong with our politics. the problem is is folks are playing political games. >> with me now, congressman from new york and robin reiche professor at u.s. berkeley. his latest book "aftershock" is now available in paper book. >> let me start with you secretary reich. you might have to do a new book because we might have something after, because this is a little crazy.

why are we seeing record profits and also unemployment this high? some people are saying the administration is not being tough enough. others are saying we are dealing with people that are irrational and how do you get tough with irrational people? >> i don't think it is irrationality, al, big corporations in america are making big money overseas china, brazil and elsewhere, where there is a lot of consumesers with growing markets, they are doing very well. their u.s. markets are not doing very well. what they are doing in the united states to boost profits here is to shrink pay rolls. substitute automation or outsource a lot of the jobs. they are continuing to do this. you know, right now, we have a smaller percentage of adult americans in full-time work than we've had in 28 years. i mean, the employment situation is awful. i do think that one reason wall street is starting to show some

cracks, one reason we are seeing the wild gyrations in the street, is that a lot of companies, middle-sized companies, smaller companies and even some of the large companies, really understand finally that they can't maintain their profitability over the long-term if american consumers don't have wages, don't have jobs, simply cannot function as participants in this economy. >> congressman, when you are dealing though, when i'm talking about irrational, not wall street businessman, they are very rational, making money and outsourcing and costing american workers. the irrational people are the people you deal with in congress, in my opinion, in the republican party and tea party. how do you deal with people that no matter what you show them, how it is against the interest of american people, that they are going to say, no revenues, no change in the taxes, do you fight them or do you try and deal with them another way? how do we break this down? >> first you have to fight them,

second, you have to educate the american people. you have to define there are two separate problems we are dealing with. put the first one front and center. er with not dealing with the less immediate. >> what is the less immediate? >> the less immediate is the deficit. we can deal with that a couple years from now. we must do right now exactly what secretary reich was saying, is get the jobs program. if we can get it to 5% where it was, that would take care of a third to half of the deficit by itself. the only way it do that is po put more money in circulation. run temporarily a larger deficit in order to put people to work, put them to work building roads, fiber optic -- >> how do we do that if -- >> not only that, but also giving money to states saying don't lay-off people. don't contract with the private guy to fix potholes, because the states have to balance the

budget. how do you do that? presidential leadership. the president has been defining the wrong problem. he is going along saying the major problem is the deficit. now he is trying to talk about jobs. but jobs takes over the deficit. >> that will change the votes in congress? >> it might if he makes the demands big enough. if he puts out and says, let's do $500 billion infrastructure bill over the next six years and let's fix it now. if he went into districts and said, there's that crumbling road, we got to fix it. there's that school, we need it put people to work in your district, congressman. you have to deal with the deficit but first you have to deal with the jobs. >> so the president went out, he is going out monday and he is doing three states. if he uses his bully pulpit to win in the districts you think

these tea party guys all of a sudden would become converted? >> they won't become converted but i think what the congressman is saying, the president has to -- he has the bully pulpit. what he has to do is come up with a large clear bold jobs snishtive. a jobs plan. he has it say to the republicans, i want you to vote for this. if you don't, we be democrats and i, will fight no their all the way through the election. we are on the side of working people. >> exactly. >> make no mistake about it. >> where is the democratic caucus playing on -- the plan that secretary reich wants the president to do is democratic caucus -- >> it a s a whole that's come up with a number of plans. >> give me plan. >> the progressive caucus came up with a plan which would balance the budget faster than any other plan. but have major infrastructure bills, aid the states, have revenues by raising tax rates and millionaires and billion airs. >> isn't that grand bargain plan

that president laid out and said that that boehner walked out on? >> no. because we wouldn't cut entitlements. we won't say to some senior citizen living on $14,000 in social security, we will cut the rate of increase. >> nancy pelosi wasn't in those meetings when all of this was on will table? >> i don't think she ever agreed to that. i don't think she was. she was called in later because initially they were ignoring her. >> when boehner walked out of the meeting nancy pelosi was never at the table. the plan i'm hearing you say, was that being touted by nancy pelosi and harry reid? >> i don't know. i can't answer that question. >> okay, secretary reich, in the middle of this brinkmanship, we are looking at unemployment. people are suffering. what is going to happen and what should happen other than some of us that are mobilizing, that will change this equation where you have people that have rebounded on wall street while

people are being put in a worse economic condition on main street and martin luther king, jr. boulevard because sometimes main street and other streets are not the same in other cities. >> ceo pay keeps going up. we see large company kre o pay around 10 to $12 million year while wages of most people continue to drop. even if they have jobs, their wages are going down. their benefits are being eviscerated. right now the absurdity is that most americans, even if they have jobs, they can't turn around and buy things to generate more jobs. companies are not going to hire additional people if there are not customers. we are trapped in a vicious cycle right now. this is the key to it. unless there is a jobs plan on the scale that we need, let's put to one side the long-term debt, long-term deficit problems. that will take care of itself to some extent if we get people

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welcome back to the show. let's bring in our political panel, alicia menendez, senior advisor for the new democrat network. david druker, staff writer for role call. and heidi harris is the host of the conservative radio show, the heidi harris show in las vegas. let's talk about sarah palin. she showed up at the iowa state fair today. one day before the straw poll. so, is she running for president or not? here she is today. >> are you a potential candidate? >> still a potential. still thinking about it. >> i don't want to step on anybody's toes so we won't be in the state tomorrow. >> david, is she serious? >> i don't think she is running but she is a national figure. she is a big figure in republican circles so it makes sense to me that center of the republican universe this weekend is in iowa for the straw poll, and i'm not surprised she's there.

>> alicia is she running? >> i think she is running for the queen of reality tv. she has a fantastic brand. she sells books, television shows. she doesn't need the headache of being president of the united states. she is doing well. i think keeping herself in the news and keeping herself relevant is the best thing she can possibly do. >> heidi, you know as well as anybody knows, is she running. >> i don't think she is running. i think it is late for her to get the kpin together she would have to get and i think the people in the field have the evangelical vote, you have michele bachmann who is a pretty brunette. she has other qualifications too. but there are a lot of people that like her. sarah palin said a long time ago, she would get in if she didn't feel there was anyone in the race. but i think a lot of people have the attitude she does, so i don't she why she would bother. >> i think she is running for power broker. wouldn't the fact that she remains visible, david, gave her the position at the right time

to really calm and bargain for what she believes in and what she wants and become the power broker she saves herself from washed out if she didn't win. she remains a presence and is a viable commodity politically as well as personally. she becomes a power broker. why not stay visible? if romney and perry, everybody's got to try to bid for as long as she can keep this out there. >> to a degree, i think you're right. as we saw on the last political cycle, she was a hit on the fund-raising trail. she could raise more money and draw crowds more than almost any s surrogate. by staying relevant but not ruin her brand by running and losing, which she might have done had she run for president, she remains sort of in demand and somebody that people want to hear from. and so i i agree with alicia, there is no reason for her not

to be out there. it is good for business for her. but as you say, it also means she is still important in republican circles. and i bet once we get to the general election, you're going to see her draw some crowds and raise some money for the republican nominee. >> now, i want to talk to you, the panel, all of you, about religion and politics because that is certainly an issue. let me ask you before i leave this, david, about michele bachmann. you've been out there and i understand no matter how much the chatter of a crowd talks about her, and the weird pictures people are seeing, some are seeing as strange, others see as not strange, she is actually drawing a lot of crowds, a lost enthusiasm. >> that's correct. she is very engaging, very personal. she is very articulate. she has done a great job inspiring people on the stump and she knows how to talk bread and butter republican issues. which wl it is national defense, social issues or fiscal issues.

she is not a flawless candidate but she is doing a really good job. and she can appeal on many levels. i think her big problem ultimately, is that she doesn't have executive experience. she has never run anything. and people are most concerned about the economy and that's where she might faulter running against romney and now perry. >> we will talk about perry, as you just mentioned, as using his politics. politics and prayer got a lost attention lat night. mitt romney's religion was questioned by other candidates. >> i listen to what people say. what they basically say is that they are really in clear about how his mormon religion relate to the majority of the people protestant krifrtian religion in the south. >> others are bringing faith to the trail. >> god takes our efforts, he blesses them, he multiplies that efforts. he gives us profit.

out of that profit, that's how we give. that's how we bless. >> keep our head down, keep working, keep faith. because if you are faithful, god will be faithful. he will bless what you're doing. >> we need to be a country that turns toward god, not a country that turns away from god. >> heidi, in the gop primary, is this what you need to talk about to succeed? >> i don't know that you need to talk about it. but i think when it is something you believe in, and you understand this, when it is something that you believe in and everything is filt erd through the word of god. you can't get away with it. even if you don't want to talk about it openly, it is smart to talk about it. romney doesn't talk a lot about the religion but it comes up. caine is right about the mormonism in the south, because we are right next to utah. but whether you are open about it or not, it is a legitimate

question and vote verse to decide whether it matters to them or not. how that faith will effect your leadership. >> alicia, i do believe in religion and i look at everything through pli religion but i also don't believe i have the right to impose it. which means i have to take things into consideration that may be against my religion. they act like we have to lengs late what they believe in their religion. is that a problem if the general election? >> it is. and above all else, voters want to know what with a what you are talking about is legit. it is honest and sincere. when you look at romney, he flip-flopped so many times on the question of choice, originally coming out saying he had a family member affected by an illegal abortion. made him pro choice. now saying, that he does not support a woman's right to choose. that is more frightening than anything to a main stream voter. >> i think people have the right to do what they want. doesn't interfere at all with my

faith. my faith seeks converts. i do not believe you must force religion on anyone. thank you alicia, thank you david, thank you heidi. we have to end this religion. heidi, you go back to sin city. >> that's right. >> ahead, the right wing is worried. this video is indoctrinating children. here we go again. stay with us. at exxon and mobil, we engineer smart gasoline that works at the molecular level to help your engine run more smoothly by helping remove deposits

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we're the people, they're not. >> yeah! >> pretty cute, right. but the gang at fox and friends thinks it's sinister. >> i think we have hit maybe a new low now using children in a political message. >> why not teach them the pledge of allegiance like you said or parts of the constitution. they don't really know what they are talking about there. that's adult messaging and it is obviously to get your attention. >> an conservative blogs are chiming in too. they say the video indoctrine ates and uses kids. so the right things having kids deliver a pressage is just a cheap move, right? >> so are you worried about your taxes going up or what? >> i'm very worried. because -- okay, i just don't know. >> how about you? are you worried about me stealing your money, dude? >> uhh -- yeah. >> i guess the rules good out