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the people of syria deserve a government that respects their dignity, protects their rights and lives up to their aspirations. assad is standing in their way. the time has come for him to step aside and leave this transition to the syrians themselves. >> you would think after a day like this where you saw that some presidential ora of hillary clinton while barack obama was packing to head out again. i bet if they had to do it over again, the people who had that choice between hillary clinton and barack obama, i betcha today they will say we should have gone with hillary clinton. >> good morning, it's friday, august 19th. time magazine senior analyst,
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mark halperin, dr. jeffrey sachs and melissa harris perry. also in washington, pat buchanan. a gold star to you melissa coming from lawrence to here. did you sleep down the hall? we are going to start with libya. we have a new report after months of brutal civil war, moammar gadhafi is making plans to leave the country. intelligence reports say he and his family could depart within days and finding exile in tunisia. chief pentagon correspondent jim getting up early this morning. what can you tell us?
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>> there have been increasing reports over the past week that moammar gadhafi is making serious preparations to get him and his entire family out of libya. according to to reports, apparently, this would be through tunisia. not sure it would be his final stop in terms of any kind of exile he might be granted. repeated reports over the past week that he may end up in venezuela somehow. all that is sketchy now. earlier this week, leon panetta sounded more optimistic than he ever has about a possible end to the six-month stand off between nato and gadhafi when he said to a group at national defense university, i think there's a sense that gadhafi's days are numbered. over the past couple days, the rebels made serious advances
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seizing a key refinery that is absolutely essential for the survival of moammar gadhafi's regime and other cities on the way to tripoli. now the officials add this caveat. he's extremely unpredictable. if he is making the plans that u.s. intelligence claims, he would live up to them and leave libya. we are hearing more optimism out of u.s. officials than we have ever heard that the stand off could be coming to an end. >> it's been about five months since the uprising began. if, after five months he leaves power, is this vindication of the united states and nato policy there? >> it could be except that many here in this building, the pentagon, are saying that could
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be the easy part because after all the u.s. only provided some initial u.s. military response to the nato decision to move in to libya and they have been since. nothing kinetic, but providing aerial surveillance, maritime patrols, intercepting trips that might be trying to bring in supplies to the libyan military. they are wondering here if the jim baker rule, the pottery barn rule that once you break it, you own it will apply here. there's still serious questions about the viability of the national transition even though it's been officially recognized by the united states and in fact one of their ambassadors was installed here in washington also just this week. there are serious questions
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because moammar gadhafi held on to his rule in part by either placating, coercing or threatening all those various tribes in the outer reaches of libya. there's no indication that this national transitional council will have that kind of control. there are concerns, no firm indication but concerns that libya could erupt into a civil war. unlike egypt where the u.s. or the egyptian military was the most respected institution and in fact is still in control of the government there, you know, the united states and nato were pretty much destroy the military so there may not be that kind of self-protection mechanism in place. >> this has been the question we have heard over the last year throughout the arab spring in all these countries, what comes next. the dictator is gone, what comes
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next? >> he's not gone yet. we have heard it before, while it might be done this time, we are not sure. we know it's limited. i'm not sure we know what is going on. libya is going to be hard to govern under any circumstances. now we up the ante with syria. it's quite interesting. the obama administration became the regime change administration. it's what the attack was on bush with saddam hussein. now the u.s. is saying you have to go, you have to go, you have to go. in libya, they thought it would be a few days. i's been a half year. with assad, it's just beginning. we are not at the end of this story. >> melissa, we did hear from
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this administration it would be days, not weeks, now we are five months into it. what do you make of the way the president handled libya? >> we are five months into it, but not with the contribution -- certainly not near the scale of human and or financial contribution as we saw on the ground in iraq or afghanistan which is the war that president obama said even in the context of the election cycle is the one he wanted to pursue, the counterterrorism. i hear there was undoubtedly from the left and the right a great deal of antiiraq sentiment, part of the midterm win in 2006 and the presidential win in 2008. libya is not like these earlier conflicts. i do think and there's no doubt about this, our international engagements are having an impact on what we are able to do here in the u.s.
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that has as much to do with our unwillingness to deficit spend as it does with real constraints provided. we were doing plenty of deficit spending while spending in the context of the iraq war. >> the other country making headlines, syria. the president of the united states asking the president of syria to step down after months of not willing to cross that line. >> they are going to be case by case. as long as the administration is talking freedom, standing up for human rights, engage in violence and doing it with an international coalition, the press can be concerned about timetables. as long as they are moving, they are doing the best they can. we may end up with a good result in libya. as messy as it is, we are for freedom and democracy, it's the best the government can do. >> pat buchanan is with us in
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washington. what is your take. the possibility we could see the departure of moammar gadhafi and president obama telling the president of syria, it's time to go. >> the departure of gadhafi is a matter of time, whether it's short, weeks or months. he has no way to sustain the war he's fighting. he's continuing to lose it. they are destroying the defenses he's got. it's just like yemen. what comes next is the question. we saw the shaw go down and everyone cheered. as for syria, mark and i were talking the other day, i was reluctant to see the united states come out for his removal because he looks like someone who may survive. he's done a brutal thing, he's killed almost 2,000 people.
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al qaeda, in libya, we are alive, but they want the oust of these folks. i think the united states best bet is approaching what mark said, stand-up for what we believe is right and true and condemn what is wrong. not get involved or intervene in these places at all militarily. >> what can you tell us about the arrival of the decision by hillary clinton to formally come out and tell assad it's time to go. what led up to the announcement? >> quite frankly, i'm not sure, willie. there was a little bit of frustration on the part of many that the president himself did not step up and make that declaration. all though, secretary of state, hillary clinton, represents the united states, the white house, the president. it seemed, to many who followed
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this in both the state department and here at the pentagon, that the president sort of handed it off to hillary clinton. of course, one of the big fears about syria is unlike moammar gadhafi. syrian leader still has some supporters, some backing in that region. we don't hear a lot of the states stepping forward saying yes, he must leave because there's fears about what comes next in syria. the heavy influence next door from iran and the encroachment by al qaeda, not only in syria, but there have been al qaeda operatives also detected. when they are detected, they are removed. there has been some al qaeda attempt to inject itself into
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the conflict, too, in libya. one of the big concerns is that moammar gadhafi had a stockpile of some 20,000 shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles and there's been no accounting for any of that. there was serious concern and intelligence they had left the country at the outset of the conflict in libya. >> all right, jim at the pentagon, great reporting, we appreciate it. take care. we haven't mentioned, 12 minutes into the show the dow was down 420 points yesterday. fears about the euro zone, the bad economic news and the warning from morgan stanley that the u.s. could flip back into recession. jeff, break it down for us, if you could. what's going into the massive plunges in the markets we are seeing. >> i think the foreign policy
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and the market story are related. our policies don't add upright now. we are spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this expanding military effort in the middle east, which we can't afford. we have a completely unsolved budget deficit. obviously, we don't have agreements in this country, what to do. worse than that, we don't have a clear position from the president in our system is the one responsible for putting forward ideas. on the other side, the other side of the atlantic, europe is in an equal mess. we like to say europe is much worse. actually both sides are competing for the prize now. europe has a financial crisis and big divisions between countries in the south like greece and healthier economies in the north like germany and they can't decide what to do. it's a stunning lack of policy and leadership on both sides of
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the atlantic right now. in the meantime, the whole global economy is being shaken from china and other economies. we have no policies to address this. on the foreign policy, it seems we are floating along as if it's the 1980s, 1990s, the u.s. runs the show, we tell this one to go and this one to go. under it all, we can't hold our own budget together and the economy is in a fre fall. there's no plans. it's the lack of clear plans and confidence right now more than the specifics undermining the markets and undermining business and leading to the possibility we are going to go back into a recession. >> melissa, the president is going to put forward a plan. the jobs package he's proposing. it looks ambitious. how much of it is realistic? how much is inacted? >> we have to disagree a little
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bit with this being what's driving the market. first of all, the notion of what's happening on the international stage in terms of international conflicts drives the market. i think markets have been much less sensitive to that. it's possible that is what's driving it now, but in the context of war, we haven't seen that sensitivity on a day-to-day basis. this is august. in august, not only is the president on vacation, congress is back in their home districts talking and listening to constituents or vacationing. whatever is going on with congress. there's not leadership going on, the markets would be taking a dip and all of this at any individual's feet, whether the president or eric cantor. as much as i would like to lay it at his. i think the fact we have this supercommittee that doesn't seem to be at all super.
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in other words, there doesn't seem to be a compromise. if it is going to be that once congress is back in session and the president is back and made his speech, there's going to be no willingness to raise revenue. there's going to be no clear willingness to create jobs based on expansion of government hiring. no one operating in the market can imagine a deficit reduction. until the election cycle plays itself out the two sides are going to get to govern. even if there was a plan, there's little confidence to get it through. >> we are almost three years into that administration and there's never been a plan. it's what everybody feels. the president didn't lead. he waited. the quintessential image of what i supported and hoped for much
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better is a president waiting by the phone to hear what congress calls to tell them. it doesn't work in this country that way. it doesn't matter that it's august, it's august of 2011. we have been drifting for a very long time and we have been drifting down. we had a short term plan that failed. a short-term stimulus that was supposed to get the economy back on track. we have no agreements and no leadership. i think it's odd the president is on vacation now. normally, i wouldn't care about such things but the world markets are in deep crisis. it's no joke. >> i understand. >> this isn't an up and down blip. this is serious. >> under no circumstances do i think this is a joke. i live in xhucommunities that a deeply involved with this. what would be happening when there's no congress in session?
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i mean i hear you on the president is in our constitutional system a leader, he's not the generator of legislation. i think the notion that he could somehow be in washington crafting jobs is a dishonest perception of what, in fact, the president's time in martha's vineyard is doing to the market. >> i'm concerned that it's beyond the united states right now. we have a worldwide crisis. the president ought to be working with the whole g-20. it means europe, china, india. this is not a little up and down blip. this is a serious moment. this is a real cross roads for the world economy. will it fall back in recession or get out of it? >> we are going to take a quick break. we have to get halperin and buchanan on it. maria bartiromo will join us and
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from "the washington post," david ignatius and eugene robinson. plus, basketball diplomacy gone wrong. a full-scare, chair-throwing brawl erupts. our georgetown and a team from china. dr. sachs pointed out earlier. first, a check with the forecast. bill. >> labor day weekend only two weeks away. let's talk about what we are dealing with this morning. storms in new jersey and philadelphia where we got heavy rain. it's heading off the coast. expect a dry morning in the big cities in atlantic and new england. very summer like. humidity is up just enough. highs in the 80s in most locations. we are watching a conflict of storms that went through
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missouri last night. pushing south heading over the mississippi river. memphis getting the storms early today. let's go to the weekend forecast. not a lot changes, even on saturday. florida, you are going to dodge showers and storms for the weekend. many locations will see a period of wet weather. it's usually late afternoon, evening. you are watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. every day, all around the world, energy is being produced to power our lives. while energy developement comes with some risk, north america's natural gas producers are committed to
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that brings me to my next segment. downgrading america is one thing, but downgrade new jersey? haven't you seen their tourism ads? >> in new jersey 44 people arrested in a sting. bribery to selling organs. [ bleep ] [ bleep ]. >> you're my father. you're my [ bleep ]. >> good luck, state. >> rogue stereo type i have to say as man from new jersey. it never slides to newark. that's all they know. hughlet packard says the touch
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pad is being discontinued. they decided to exit the tablet business because of weak sales. usa today, president obama is outpacing on the money scale. the president headlined 127 fund raising events for himself an others. george w. bush held 88 fund-raise fund-raisers. president clinton, 76. the decision not to use the public financing program may explain the upswing. the obama administration assays they will allow them to stay in the u.s. the plan comes as officials review 300,000 pending immigration cases. in the new york times, jon huntsman makes a bid to separate
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himself from the crowd. the republican presidential candidate wrote, to be clear, i believe in evolution and trust scientists on global warming. call me crazy. it was hours after perry said this at a campaign stop in new hampshire. >> the theory out there, in texas we teach folks creationism. >> ask him why he doesn't believe in science. >> i figure you're smart enough to figure out which one is right. >> i think i'll go home and teach my daughter two plus two is six and four. she's smart. she'll figure it out. >> he's come out strongly, reinforcing his views.
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he's not tempering it. >> he's not doing what michele bachmann did, deflect questions and bring things back to the economy, which is what he was planning on doing. those kind of answers in new hampshire are problematic. more libertarian and less conservative than in iowa and south carolina. he's in south carolina today, probably a better fit today with those kind of answers. >> le's see if we can drum up support. pat, what do you think of the comments. >> huntsman said call me crazy, but i believe in evolution. what was the other one? >> global warming, climate change. >> if he's running for the election, he's crazy. i don't think he's going anywhere. as for what rick perry did, i don't think it's going to hurt him that much. i think there are libertarians
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up there who would say stay out of this area, but other folks that could help him. >> he can't run from his record. let's turn to mike allen. he's got a look at the morning playbook. hello mike. >> happy friday. >> happy friday. we can officially start our weekend when you say that, mike. elizabeth warren might run for senate in the state of massachusetts. we understand she's forming an exploratory committee. >> that is true. there's not a lot to be excited about, but this is a big one. she filed papers to challenge scott brown, a republican in a very democratic state for his senate re-election. she started having house parties around the state. politico's dave says she's getting 40 to 80 people at these
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parties that she has scheduled. it's a good turn out for this early in the campaign, shows excitement about it and she's keeping up a heavy schedule to show she's going to run hard, but not be like the attorney general brown, she was not a great campaigner. she wants to go out and work for it. she's interviewing consultants. if she announces, it will be shortly after labor day. >> will she run? it looks like she's going to. is she a good candidate there? >> i hate this news because where i wanted elizabeth warren was the consumer protection agency. she worked so hard on it. she explained why we needed it. the clarity of her voice on that. the fact she's having to run for elected office because the republican controlled congress blocked her appointment made it possible for her to be nominated. it's made the agency toothless.
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it makes me sad. because i appreciate the american democratic, what i appreciate is someone is smart, competent and clearly sort of capable of explaining the hardest and most difficult element of how the economic world impacts ordinary world would be in a place like the senate is actually quite thrilling. i think she's a good candidate and one that will work hard. >> it wasn't just the republicans that didn't want her to have the job, there were democrats. some in the white house. >> well put. >> give us an early handicap on this. what kind of threat is she to scott brown? >> scott brown has been smart with both republicans and democrats. he's going to say he's not predictable. you don't want another rubber stamp, you want someone that will be a check. >> mike allen with a look at the political playbook. have a great weekend.
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take a little break here for sports. in an interview with gq magazine, michael vick says the eagles were not his choice for a team. vick was not thrilled about being the third spring quarterback. the bangles and bills were interesting in making them the starting qb. it was a meeting with the commissioner that convinced vick was the best fit, nudged him in that direction. it worked out well so far. vick and the eagles taking on the steelers. vick picks off by ryan clark. a few minutes later, into a tight space, picked off by lewis. three completions and two
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interceptions. enjoy the escaping defender. this is the amazing part. not so good to hit the ball. picked off for the third time. troy with the interception. a nasty hit. michael, don't do this. he puts his helmet down. don't want to see your scar quarterback making tackles like that. steelers win, 24-14. hard knocks between the patriots and tampa. tom brady tries to match with chad ochocinco. a personal foul. ochocinco pops up. 14-0. another dangerous hit in the fourth quarter. punt and turn.
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blindsided by devin holland. he would have stayed down for a few seconds before he staggered off the field. in baseball, a controversial home run call. turns on a cc sabathia fastball, hooking it. originally called a home run. the umps get together. after the discussion, they overturn the call. twins manager not pleased. he's tossed from the game. another look shows the ball was foul. the umps got it right. throws his bat in frustration. in the third inning, no doubt about this one, two-run home run into left. yankees win. the red sox and royals, a pop fly to center. tagged from third. watch the arm from melky
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cabrera. a bullet to the plate. wow. the catcher holds on to the ball. the game tied at three. getting it done. thrown out at second. the run already scored. red sox come in, a half game on the yankees in the east. a scary moment during the white sox game. fukudome with a line drive off the head. humber falls flat on his back. he does pop up, try to find the baseball. try to convince the trainers to let him stay in the game. they were having none of it. he says he's just fine. indians win, 4-2. this is the clip you have been waiting for. joe biden is in beijing. he's going to smooth over relations between the united states and china.
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it seemed like a good idea to have a friendly game of basketball. >> what could go wrong? >> georgetown, our gorgetown university in washington, in beijing, nine minutes left in the game and all hell breaks loose. pushing and shoving lead to this. benches empty, chairs thrown. this was not just pushing and shoving. they called the game there. georgetown had to leave the court under police escort. biden watched them on wednesday. it was not at this game. we'll never know who won this one. >> that is school diplomacy. >> pat, what is la jolla doing? >> as we used to say in the'
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sole purpose is to give obama political relief. a plague of bad luck and bad faith. our president wrestles with angels. monsters a comforting fantasy, but a sorry excuse for a failing economy and flailing presidency. >> interests me for two reasons. he's been a long time commentator and columnist. he east found his voice against the president on the right. his comments are being read widely. the other reason is, i think a lot of the republican columnists are making more effective arguments for the base than the presidential candidates are. again, he's been leading in being that kind of spokesman. a specific point of view of the president held be a lot on the right. i'm not sure it's going to hold
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with those in the center. >> pat, what about the content calling september 2012 unwinding a cynical political date. >> it was politically designed. i agree with mark except to this extent. i think this theme that the president of the united states who promised hope and change is failing and may not be up to the job. it's been held by the right for a long, long time. i think it's reaching very much into the center. when the president is down to 39%, as we talked, willie, this martha's vineyard vacation when europe and the united states markets are losing 500 and 400 points a day is a mistake. i think the perception is, we may have a failed president on our hands. it is not confined to the right. >> i think the whole election may come down to that point. do independent voters and older voters see the president as a
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failure or not, whether a republican is defined in one way. it may decide if he gets a second term. >> it's whether or not he's running against someone. at this point, you have to accept there is no reasonable candidate on the right. so, the notion, i appreciate the op-ed saying everything here is playing politics. of course everyone is playing politics. it is the nature of our system that the president is looking forward to his re-election bid and that of congressional democrats and the congressional republicans are looking at there at its best. looking forward to re-election is of the people. it's not necessarily problematic. i find it odd, this willingness to suggest at its core that making choices to, for example protect the safety net is
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baseline politics without any reasonable or meaningful, id logical and personal commitment. >> and principles. >> for me, that's where the op-ed goes wrong. >> when you quoted the number of 127 fund-raisers or something around there. a record number. politics on both sides is driven by money. it's driven by interest groups right now. it's not the president being political. they are chaising money around the clock. nobody is governing. it's a crisis of washington, not just the president. this is what the whole country is saying, washington doesn't govern. they run for re-election and chase money. >> obama played this role for a long, long time. he's up there in martha's vineyard. when he comes back, he's going
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to lay it on the line. if he comes out for higher taxes or balanced approach, he's going head-on into the tea party. if he does define where he's going to cut medicare, medicaid, you know, social security, other programs and get specific, he's going to have a more serious war with his political base than he's already developing as we saw with maxine waters in detroit. i think he's going to have problems with the base if he goes for austerity. he's got to decide and come down with something specific. we haven't seen anything specific in a long, long time. >> it doesn't matter what he says he's going to have problems with the tea party. we need to be really clear. no matter what the president comes out and says, including the tea party, whatever you want. they will want something else. they are not here to govern.
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they are here to keep the president from making policy. >> we are going to pick up this conversation in a minute. every time pat buchanan mentions martha's vineyard, we're going to take a shot. the week in review is next. ♪ [ mrs. davis ] i want to find a way to break through. to make science as exciting as a video game. i need to reach peter, who's falling behind. and push janet who's 6 chapters ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] with interactive learning solutions from dell, mrs. davis can make education a little more personal. so every student feels like her only student. dell. the power to do more.
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i'll take it. it is time for the week in review. it's been a weak week, but we have a little breath of fresh air when christine o'donnell popped up out of nowhere. >> why are you being so weird about this? >> i'm not being weird about this pierce. >> remember her? >> i'm not a witch. >> former delaware senate. christine o'donnell surfaced to promote her new book. >> you are borderlining being a bit rude. >> really? >> o'donnell did not like the line of questioning from piers morgan. she reminded her host to only ask questions the subject feels like answering. >> don't you think as a host, if i say this is what i want to
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talk about, that's what we should address? >> not really, no. >> when she finally had enough about questions of witchcraft and gay marriage, she pulled the plug. >> where are you going? you're leaving? >> at number two, please stop wearing our clothes. seriously, we'll pay you. mike "the situation" was offered big money this week by abercrombie and fitch to cease wearing their clothes. >> it could cause damage by wearing our clothing. >> they decided the situation is one shirtless guy they want no part of. >> i handle all types of crazy things. >> the number one story of the week. >> when i'm in, i'm in all the
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way. we lost pawlenty, but picked up perry. >> that big black cloud that hangs over america. >> the texas governor got his leg up on a big bail of iowa hey, came out guns blazing. >> i don't know what y'all do to them in iowa, but we treat him ugly in texas. >> as he was blowing mock kisses to mitt romney -- >> give him my love. >> some suggest he should tone down the act a bit. >> dial back a notch. you are at yosemite sam level. >> president obama touring the midwest in a tour bus that looked to be on loan from metallica cut him some slack. >> i'm cut him some slack. he's only been at it for a few
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days. >> michele bachmann wished elvis a happy birthday on the anniversary of his untimely death. >> let's all say happy birthday to elvis presley today. with them running at full speed, some suggested this week there is still room in the race for one more republican superstar with big ideas for the country. >> are you the promaster base talk show host? >> is there room in this race for christine o'donnell? >> the vacuum is huge. she could step right in. coming up next, wes moore and eugene robinson join the conversation. we'll be back. [ male announcer ] this is the network. a network of possibilities.
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time magazine cover boy. also in washington, an associate editor for "the washington post," eugene robinson. great to see you. >> good to be here. >> you weren't on the cover of "time" were you? >> i doubt it. >> just wes moore, i guess. >> we're going to start with the economy here. the market is down yesterday on track for the worst month in nearly three years after fears of another global recession, we dare use the word, combined with weakness in europe. the dow down almost 420 points losing 3.6% of the value yesterday. the s&p losing 4.4% of its value. nasdaq was down more than 5%. let's bring in guy johnson, he's live in london. good morning. how are the markets looking over there? >> more of the same, unfortunately.
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looks like we are going to have another bad day. it's carried on today. a lot of people expected today to be positive. a bounce off of a big, bad day. it's not come through. you have gold trading higher. we are up by 3% there. a lot of the european markets down by 3%. the banks are getting hit hard once again. industrial stocks are under pressure as well. fears of the global slowdown impacting the economies like germany. it was happening yesterday, carrying on in europe. when wall street opens, it looks like we are going to get a negative open. things could change between now and then. >> could be another rocky day. jeff, i want to read part of your financial times. the u.s. devolved in a melange of sector class and regional
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interests. president obama is the incredibly shrinking leader. generally the u.s. cannot prosper while the politicians go hat and hand. in the u.s. and europe, there's no growth strategy, only the hope that consumers will return to buying houses they don't need and can't afford. not a lot of hope of that at the moment. >> this is what's happening in the markets now. there's no source of growth. consumers aren't going to do it. that was the hope of the white house. that was the hope of the stimulus that lifted up and has gone away. we needed a growth strategy that has rebuilding infrastructure and energy sector. training young people. giving new skills, new education to compete in global markets. three years into the administration, we have none of that. we went for the short term.
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this is both sides. i'm not saying one side is better than the other. nobody was looking at the five to ten years of rebuilding this country. here we are. we are stuck in the water, at best, with big financial crisis dragging down the markets. it's terribly worrisome. >> gene robinson, has the president lost his opportunity to do something big? he came out with something they said wasn't big enough. has the president lost his moment? stimulus is a dirty word at this point. >> it is a dirty word. this is the moment after hearing the financial update, crawl into the fetal position for the rest of the day. >> no, no, we want hope and sunlight. >> i don't think it's ever too late. i hope it's not too late for something bold and comprehensive
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and forward looking that does all the things jeff said we need. do i see that coming anytime soon? i wish i did. you know, we have been talking about jobs on this show for months and months and months, probably for years now. we are the engine of this economy and how do we get out of this rather than tread water? but, you know, we are treading water. >> there is the sentiment from some people that no matter what the president says in this speech coming up after labor day, not much is going to change. whatever he puts forward. >> i don't think it's too late in terms of it. some type of stimulus that can help the markets that would be useful. the challenge is the question of inflation. we are watching the inflation numbers that stayed low are creeping up.
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the fear people have is inflation along with high unemployment. where we can make inroads and have improvement is the fact for many sectors, there are jobs available. there's a sales cap. how we take the unemployed, 44% of the unemployed and be able to give them new skills, train them for a industry that is hiring. >> where are those? >> home health care. the nursing industry. you know, they are all areas, even technical jobs. you are looking at cisco looking to hire but with mathematics expertise. if you can take people with general skills, but not specified with a certain area, that's something that can help the economy and deal with this. >> wes has it right. i know our university, columbia, the program is right.
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skills training, jobs training is what we need. again, we are cutting rather than expanding. >> there's a lot of medium and long term things that need to be done. the president's package he proposes on the jobs front and the deficit are going to address those things. plenty of republicans have been for targeted tax cuts for people, a payroll tax cut, extending unemployment. not everybody in the republican party is for that now. historically, they have been. those are the things the president could get through and be part of what they propose. it's up to the republicans to help the economy or rather it stay bad to help themselves in the election. >> pat buchanan? >> i think that's exactly right. i think in the short term, the president is going to have infrastructure package. it will be close to what the old earmarks were about and pork is about. getting people back to work, you can train folks, but that takes
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a long, long time. in the long run, we are all dead. i think the president is going to have a short term, package of spending and i think, if it's infrastructure and programmed right and sold right, and you get tax cuts and maybe drop the rates, i think he's got a fighting chance of getting something through. if he doesn't, at least saying i tried and they didn't give it to me. >> gene? >> this is the cheeriest thing i have heard. i think pat is right, actually. there's the opportunity for the president to come forward not with a modified limited kind of infrastructure that does a little of this and a little of that but with something bold and put it out there and say look, this is going to help the
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economy. either you are with me or against me. you are with the economy or against the economy. i think that would be good politically. if you can get it through, it's good for the economy. we'll see. >> they may be against the economy for political reasons. >> the real thing is we always talk we have to do something short term. we have been short term, short term, short term for three years. the short term teetered out. that's what happened. >> we need to change the definition of retraining from long term. it is a short term priority. >> it gets people doing something. >> it takes them out of unemployment. it's a jobs training program. it's back to education. i's the long term solution. we have to be able to compete. there are jobs out there like you say. >> as we are talking partnerships with the private
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sector and areas that are growing and looking to bring people on, in addition to having things like tax cuts and tax breaks for corporations hiring, what about apprenticeship programs and bringing a pipeline? a lot of private sectors would be interested in hearing that. >> that is a good thing. you get tax cuts and they get mountains of profits. you train people, they will hire them. you have it right. >> we see what happens with the cash disparity. look at the mergers and the acquisitions that happened over the past two weeks alone. they are cash deals. they are not stock deals. companies are flush with cash. here, they are hiring abroad because our workers aren't competitive now. we have to train them, put them to work where there's a growing world economy.
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not just tax cuts. that's the fail eed montra. >> the president has to get the unemployment rate dropping fast. when you look at the news, almost 2,000 point drop in the dow, you hear talk of a double dip recession. you read reports that unemployment folks are filing for. housing, sales of existing housing are falling. he is looking at a dreadful situation in 2012 that even a popular or well-liked president may not be able to overcome and he's got to deal with that imperative if he wants to deal with the long-term problem. >> part of the problem, it may not be a traditional double-dip recession. it's more systemic than that. >> i think you are right. >> it requires a greater effort.
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>> they are trying to find executive action. part of what the president will announce is things the executive branch can do without congress. short, medium long. anything the president wants to do to address the problems has to get through john boehner and the house of representatives. a massive reorganization with how they get involved is not going to happen with john boehner and the republicans there. he's got to focus on the thing that is can get done. pick the fight. if you lose, you have a choice election. he has to get something done for the good of the country. we cannot go into the holiday season with a level of confidence as fragile as it is. >> where do you think republicans would be willing to meet the president? something big. something to make a dent in the problem. >> i think job training in education angel is key. i think it's important. a huge number of young people
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unemployed right now. i's not true the only answer is give them a miserable job. help them get back to school and training. i's what wes is saying. i'm 10% in agreement with that. it makes sense. you have young unemployed people. help them get the good jobs. americans don't want to see money going from the government to create lousy, short-term jobs. they want answers that make sense in six months, two years, five years to get the economy back again. >> i want to get to the op-ed. you are talking about the president, secretary of state now officially coming out and telling assad to go. the call for him to go appears more symbolic than substantive. you can't call it pure theater since it puts additional
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pressure on the regime. if we know he won't leave and we won't make him, the demands from the white house seem a tardy statement. we need what the president refused to provide, a. at least spelling out how the united states views the role in the unfolding era. gene, would you like to elaborate? >> we say he should go. duh, he should go. he's been creating butchery like gadhafi did with the libyans before that. what is the next step in syria? is there a barrage of missiles from nato with support from the united states? i kind of doubt it. our military is overstretched. but, the logic of this statement
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by the president of the united states, when he says something ought to happen, it ought to happen. the logic is we should do something about this call for assad to step down. you know, there's no consiste y consistency. there's not always in foreign policy. i worry that we don't have a theory or an idea of what we're doing with the arabs. we could blunder into another involvement. >> gene, you mentioned libya. i want to go there now. it looks like things are changing. moammar gadhafi making plans to leave the country. joining us from libya, richard engel. it's good to see you. what more can you tell us about gadhafi? >> it's clear from where i'm sitting right now -- those reports he may be planning to leave the country are coming out
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of washington. what i can tell you from the ground is the battle intensified dramatically after the last several days. the war turned a corner. we are only about 30 miles from downtown tripoli. the rebels have never been this close to tripoli itself. the rebels control about 75% of this area. they are fighting as we speak to take over the remaining 25% of this city. the rebels cut off all the access roads leading in and out of tripoli. families are leaving the city. tripoli is encircled. people are nervous. they think it implies gadhafi is, too. >> richard, if he's not leaving immediately and the rebels are only 30 miles away, where does
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that leave him over the next couple days? >> there are concerns here there could be a desperate act, he could fire off the remaining rockets, he could try to do a massacre and leave the country in flames. people here are comparing him to saddam hussein. it's a concern on the ground. they hope the regime collapses from within. it's only tripoli that is the main power center he has left. the rebels are telling me they hope they don't have to go in and engage in street-to-street fighting in tripoli, there will be a collapse. they are still advancing and if he's not gone in a few days or weeks, there will be a battle for tripoli. >> richard engel, thanks so much. stay safe out there. eugene robinson, thanks as well. take care. coming up, bob mcdonnell
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in peasz peaceful demonstration across the nation, syrians are demanding their civil human rights. the regime answered their demands with empty promises and violence, torturing opposition leaders laying siege to cities, slaughtering thousands of unarmed children. the government has been condemned by countries in all parts of the world and can look only to iran for support.
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>> secretary of state, hillary clinton, speaking yesterday about syria. columnist for "the washington post," david ignatius. good to see you. >> good to see you. thank you. >> you write about the paradox of the arab translation and what comes next if assad leaves, we don't know what happens there. what is your best guess? >> at this point, talking to administration officials, they say it's really impossible to be sure. that's part of why syrian policy is difficult. the most likely outcome is you have elements of the regime forming some kind of coalition with rebels in a new government that straddled the two. another possibility is a
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military coup. the military took over, it could happen in syria. it could happen with the syrian army. the terks said they would like to see a change in government. the fact we don't know where it's going is a reason, i think, to be careful, take it one step at a time. you don't know the color of the process, you need to avoid running toward cliffs with the possibility of jumping off. >> the administration has been deliberate in their approach to syria. >> i credit them more than some people do. i heard gene robinson criticizing them as many do for being tardy, sluggish. in situations like this, it actually is sensible to speak softly, to do a lot of watching and talk. one thing that's interesting in yesterday's announcement is that the u.s. move on syria was
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coordinated with every european ally and most of our arab allies as well. a change in u.s. foreign policies. the kind of change many of us thought appropriate. we are doing that now. it's not as flashy. the rhetoric is not as sharp. it may be more valuable to isolate the u.s. >> david we have wes moore with us. >> the legacy of the obama doctrine, we believe in liberties, but we are not going to do it alone. david you bring up a good point. i wanted to ask you a question, he's got middle eastern history to look at and also his own familial legacy, if you look what happened in 1982. his father had a crackdown that
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squashed the insurgency. how much is that playing into his mind as he thinks of whether or not he should leave? >> wes, i saw hama as it was flattened by the tanks of his father. i took a bus ride through the city like a lot of correspondents of my generation. i saw the level of violence. it's clear he isn't prepared to punish the rebel opposition to the degree his father did and probably couldn't get away with it. we are in a different era now. lacking the tools of intimidation, what does he do? we have seen he's not prepared or able to use enough force to stop the protests. they keep going. i's been months now. i'm told by analysts that the syrian army is stretched to the
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breaking point. they have been putting out fires in so many cities in syria for so long, they don't have anything left. i's one reason why this week you have heard calls for assad to go. there's a sense we are now heading to the end game because the army is about to crash. >> syrian forces shoot dead four more protesters in a southern province. >> i want to ask david, it seems you mention the cities that assad has used sufficient, adequate force to repel and put this down. there doesn't seem to be activity on the part of the rebels that there used to be. is there a possibility he could survive this and keep going? >> yes, pat. there's that possibility. the iranians have been counting on us. they have been rushing him --
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military assistants, money, support of all kinds. i think most analysts in washington would tell you that he probably is past the tipping point in terms of being able to put back together the legitimacy he needs to govern. he's made too many enemies. it is true that the rebel movement is at a lower level now than it was at some point. it could flair up, again. i tell you another thing that's interesting. the saudis are pumping money into syria to support it. guns are coming through lebanon. i was talking yesterday, major shipments into this sunni insurgency in syria. the pot is still on the fire and doubling away. >> where do the israeli's stand
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on him surviving? >> in their public statements they went from expressing concern about a future uncertain to saying basically this man must go. i think they don't want to be out of step with the broad movement in the region. they are trying to put their relationship back together with the terks. >> they are in a terrible situation with uncertainty. they don't know what's coming. we never got to afghanistan. a word we haven't heard on the campaign trail. it's discur amming. don't miss "meet the press" on sunday. guests, robert gibbs and mitch daniel peggy noonan and our next
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nend ♪ ♪ look at the market boards from yesterday. we are joined by the host of "closing bell," maria bartiromo. she can't seem to get a day off this summer. the news is relentless. >> it is wild. >> the dow down 420 points. they think market, financial times suffer global flight. what's behind all this? >> i think there are worries about a global recession. certainly a slowdown globally. even hot spots in the world like china and brazil. we are seeing a slowdown. in the u.s., economic data shows us this soft patch persisted. unemployment is a major issue.
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you have a mess happening in europe with a debt crisis. worries the banking sector is going to get it. they hold so much exposure to the sovereign situation and holding the bonds, government bonds. the debt crisis has a lot of people worried we are looking at 2008 deja vu, again. the banks are exposed to europe. i don't think the banking sector is negatively impacted in the u.s. the slow economic data is worrisome. >> we saw the report suggesting a recession is a possibility, do you believe that in the united states we could see a recession in another year? >> yeah. we are looking at an economy that slowed. frankly, for me, i don't care what you call it, recession, depression, bare market, the bottom line is we are all feeling it. we are nervous. we are nervous about our jobs,
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family and friends' jobs. we are frozen. during the debt ceiling debate, you can't underestimate the nonsense of the back and forth. i think someone said to me who is just a regular guy, doesn't, you know, follow the ups and downs, what do you think about the debt ceiling. i said why are you asking me this? why do you care about this? he said everyone is talking about it. i was going to send my daughter to catholic school but the deposit is due next week. if we are going into a recession, i'm sending her to public school. i thought whoa. this is the conversation going on around the country. whether or not to move forward. people are not making decisions, long term decisions. they are not putting their stake in the ground. they are worried about what the
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world is going to look like. i cannot underestimate that decision. it feels like the numbers will continue to get worse. >> it's abstract or oblique terms about the debt ceiling and what can happen. there are decisions being made at people's kitchen tables like this one every day. there's fear and panic. >> sheer anxiety on both sides of the atlantic now. we have europe and the u.s. simultaneously. of course, the debt ceiling debate resolves nothing. we immediately enter the next hopeless debate and we don't see leadership. we don't see plans. probably we are not going to see them for awhile. everybody senses this. there's a tremendous leadership drift. it's been there for a couple years. what held up the economy temporarily, that little bit of
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stimulus petered out and the economy stalled. now, it's tipping negative. this has everybody alarmed. who is out there? in europe, it's the same. everyone is fighting among themselves. will greece be pushed into default? will it spread to italy? you need leadership to head off the worst. there's no leadership. they are hunkering down and fighting. europe is a group that doesn't seem to exist. >> you make the point i continue to hear from investors, from executives. this leadership vacuum. the country today feels to me like it's more divided than it ever has been. we need leadership to bring us together. confidence is at the core of any market. people have lost confidence in the leadership. they have lost kofs that we have a plan to actually get our arms around the issues. you make the point, that is, okay, we raise the debt ceiling.
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what does that mean? did we get our arms around the issue and have a credible plan to stop the fact that we are spending more than we are taking? investors are on to it. we need a plan. >> that was a two to three month fight with no plan. we need leadership. what can the president do, at least in the speech next month to provide some? >> what we talked about in the last segment, i think the president is going to come out. the word infrastructure sounds good. he's going to go with that. i have a question for maria. you mentioned the banks today a hammering in europe yesterday. that suggests people are running away from the banks because they are holding the bad paper of the greeks, italians, et cetera. the only reason they are is if
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the europe and germans say that's it, we are shutting our checkbooks. there's a danger of a real collapse, isn't there? >> yes. europe is in worse shape than the united states. the way we all witnessed that test we were looking at in 2008, that has people unnerved. people are saying look, is this a situation where layman brothers -- people are saying wow, maybe the banks need to raise capital. we have new regulation down the road coming that will up the standards in terms of how much wiggle room and capital they have to put aside. >> all right, maria, stick around with us. we have to get in a quick break. also, the liquid bomb plot.
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we had to bring them in because we had to plan for taking protective measures. >> charlie allen said here is a plot that we are taking very, very seriously. it is of utmost confidentially. you may not talk to anyone about it. this is the highest levels of the uk govern and. if they are coming with you with liquid bombs, you have to stop it. >> the liquid bomb plot to blow up ten airplanes flying to the u.s. and canada. with us, the man who was the
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administrator with the plot and contributor, kip hau lee. what happened in that summer of 2006, leading up to the plot and the foiling of the plot? >> well, al qaeda figured out a brand-new liquid explosive, more powerful than anything our western scientists knew about. they trained up english guys and sent them over to put together a cell to sneak the bombs on that are invisible to security measures. then they would knock down a series of planes, ten, 12, they really wanted 19, knock them down over the atlantic and they would disappear off the radar. you wouldn't know what happened. you would know you lost ten, 12, 15 airplanes. >> they were going to do it at once? >> right. >> how did you break in?
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>> it was the uk who did the legwork on it. they saw one of the participants and said this guy is up to something. then they started following him. then they got a bad feeling about it. they saw him buying hydrogen peroxide. it was a smaller bomb that could only be used for aviation. it came across to me, hey, they are making a bomb you can't detect and it's going to be put on airplanes. >> you know about the bomb. what is your next move so they don't blow up 12 planes at once? >> this is easier than other ones. we knew some of the plotters and we knew exactly what the bomb was. worse case, we ban liquids. if we ban liquids, the bombs don't get on the planes. the problem was, if there are
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other cells operating at the time, not just the one the uk is watching, that's the scary thing. when do you drop down the ban in liquids. if you do it too early, you blow up the investigation. if you do it too late -- >> how did you decide when to do it? >> the secretary of homeland security was plugged into lord reid, the home secretary, they talked all the time, including a countdown as they were arresting conspirators. when he finally said we have number 20, then we could go ahead and brief the tsa people. it was between midnight and 4:00 a.m. we told them at midnight we are changing security that goes into place across the country. it all happened. i think that's pretty impressive. >> absolutely. >> for the officers on the front line. >> how is it possible the liquids together create a toxic
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material. some of the liquids, whether peroxide -- >> tang. >> tang. >> what they did was they hy hyperconcentrated it. they took it way off the charts on a very, very high concentration. there were tests in sciences that blew up. one scientist was killed in the uk. they were testing hydrogen peroxide. al qaeda found a bomb not known to be possible and it is amazingly powerful. it's the amazing thing. it looked like a gatorade bottle under the x-ray with tremendous punch. >> when you look at the underwear bomber, they are on
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the no-fly list still getting on planes. what is being done to counter that? >> that is a problem of the past. tsa put in a program called secure flight. it's why you put your birth date, genter and full name on your registration. the government is now in charge of matching the passenger manifest with the no-fly list. in the last, airlines some did it well and some not well. that was the problem. if they didn't do it well, somebody on the no-fly list gets on the plane. now tsa has that. you haven't heard people are on the watch list. they use a sophisticated system to do that. all the problems we talk about, that one, really is solved. >> to complain about the tsa, we have to take our shoes off.
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are we getting better at that, getting ahead of them rather than chasing them? >> yes. yes. one of the things about the liquid restriction, it took the hydrogen peroxide off the table. they spent all that time developing a really good formula, undetectable, powerful, that they can't use. we saw that with the christmas bomber. he used a bomb that didn't work. it pushes them off the spectrum. >> thank you for saving a lot of lives on that day. well done. we look forward to seeing the film, the liquid bomb plot. it airs on the"the liquid bomb plot". up next, vladimir putin has had quite a summer. we'll reveal his latest outdoor
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took a guy's only fishing trip to a remote region of siberia, it was a two fellows skinning it off before a long night around the campfire. last week, he did little scuba diving, the bottom of the black sea, he came up with some ancient greek urns in his scuba diving trip. yesterday he was out fishing again. here they are, doing a little fly-fishing, just a couple of guys out on the vulga river. after watching all of these pictures of putin, i want a president who's more like that guy. >> here is prime minister vladimir putin rocking a wet suit and carrying ancient greek artifacts right next to
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president medvedev holding a huge gun. meanwhile what is our president doing? riding on a bus. the only way vladimir putin would be seen riding on a bus is if he trapped it in the wild and then tamed it. so while putin is in tsiberia bagging tigers, what did he get in from the midwest? >> he had a pie. >> and putin called it a parasite on the global economy. mar maria, thank you so much. let's hope the market's calm so you can get a day off. it's been months. have a got weekend. coming up is moammar gadhafi on the verge of leaving libya? thanks very much on "morning joe."
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that gadhafi could depart the could country. nbc news chief pentagon correspondent, jim miklaszewski. >> u.s. officials tell us there's been increasing intelligence reports over the last week that in fact moammar gadhafi is making serious preparations to get him and his entire family out of libya. now according to the reports, apparently, this would be through tunisia, a tour that would be his final stop in terms of any kind of exile he might be granted. in fact there have been repeated reports over the past few weeks that he may end up in venezuela somehow. earlier this week, leon panetta also sounded more optimistic than he ever has about a possible end to this six-month
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standoff between nato and moammar gadhafi when he said to a group at national defense university, i think there's a sense that gadhafi's days are numbered. and over the past couple of days, the rebels have made some serious advances, seizing a key refinery that is absolutely essential for the survival of moammar gadhafi's regime and other cities on the way to tripoli. initials had this caveat, that you know, moammar gadhafi is extremely unpredictable, and even if he is making all these plans that u.s. intelligence claims that he would live up to them and actually leave libya. but nevertheless, we are hearing more optimism out of u.s. officials than we have ever heard that this standoff could be coming to an end. >> mick there's been some frustration here in the united
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states about how long it's taken, it's been about five months or so since this -- vindication in some way of the united states and nato policy there? >> it could be, except that many here in this building, the pentagon are saying, well, that could be the easy part. because after all the u.s. only provided some initial u.s. military response, to the nato decision to move in to libya, and they have been since, nothing kinetic, but providing aerial surveillance, some maritime patrols, intercepting ships that might be trying to bring in supplies to the libyan military, but, you know, they're wondering here if the jim baker rule, the pottery barn rule that once you break it you own it will apply here, and there's still some serious questions
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about the viability of the national transitional consult, even though it's been officially recognized by the united states, and in fact, one of their ambassadors was installed here in washington also, just this week with, but there are serious questions because, you know, moammar gadhafi held on to his rule in part, by either placating, coercing or threatening all those various tribes in the outer reaches of libya, and there's no indication that this national transitional council will have that kind of control. and there are concerns no firm indication yet, but there are concerns that libya could erupt into some kind of civil war. and unlike egypt, where the u.s. or the egyptian military was the most respected institution and in fact is still in control of the government there, you know, the acts in nato were pretty
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much destroyed moammar gadhafi's military so there may not be that kind of self-protection mechanism in place. >> dr. sacks, this has been the question throughout the year, in all these countries, what comes next? yes, the dictator is gone, but he's not gone yet. what comes next. >> we have heard this before and while it might be true this time, i wouldn't be so sure. there's a lot of unpredictabili unpredictability, our intelligence capacity we know is pretty unlimited. libya is going to be hard to govern under any circumstances, now we up the ante yesterday with syria. the obama administration became the regime change administration. that's what the attack on bush was, with saddam hussein. but it's this administration that's saying you have to go, you have to go, you have to go.
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now in libya, they thought it's going to be a few days, it's almost been almost half a year, and with assaad, it's also been open ended, and in the meantime, our economy is imploding, so we're not at the end of this story. >> melissa, we did hear at the end of this conflict from this administration that it would be days, not weeks, we're five month into it. what do you make of the way the president's handled libya. >> with none of the kind of contribution, none would be too far. certainly not anywhere here the scale of human and/or financial contribution here as we saw on the ground for example in iraq or afghanistan, that you undoubtedly the war that president obama said even in the context of the election cycle, that he thought it was kind of the counter terrorism war. although undoubtedly from both the left and the right a great
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deal of anti-iraqi sentiment. it's not exactly clear to me that we can suggest that libya is like these earlier conflicts. i do think and there's no doubt about this that our international engagements are having an impact on what we're able to do here in the u.s. but that has as much to do with our unwillingness to deficit spend as it does with any real constraints, obviously we're doing plenty of deficit spending than we did in the iraq war. >> yesterday the president of the united states asking the president of syria formally to step down after months of not willing to cross that line. >> all these countries are going to be case by case, there's going to be differences, but as long as the administration is talking about freedom, denoun denounci denouncing -- the press can be all concerned about timetables,
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but as long as they're steady moving under those principles, they're doing the best they k they may end up with a good result in syria as messy as it is, as long as we're for freedom and democracy and total tarn regimes, that's the best we can do. >> there's the possibility that we could see the departure of moammar gadhafi and also president obama telling the president of syria it's time to go? >> i think the departure of gadhafi is just a matter of time, whether it's short, weeks or a month or something, because we has no way to sustain the war that he's fighting and he's continually losing. but that's a deeply tribalized society, it's just like yemen. what comes next is the question. we saw the shah go down and everyone cheered. all of a sudden we have got the
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sand nice thats in our backyard. assaad lacks to me like someone who may well survive. he's done a brutal thing, he's killed almost 2,000 people. al qaeda's on the other side as it is in libya, we are aligned with al qaeda, because they want the ouster of these folks. i think the united states's best belt is, i think, something approaching what mark said is to stand up for what we believe is right and true and condemn as wrong, but not get ourselves involved or intervened in these places at all militarily. >> mick, what can you tell us about is arrivthe arrival about decision at the white house and secretary of state hillary clinton to come out and sell assaad that's time to go? what led up to yesterday's announcement? >> quite flankly i'm not sure,
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but there was a little bit of frustration on the part of many that the president himself did not step up and make that declaration, although obviously secretary of state hillary clinton represents the united states, the white house, the president. but it seemed that to many, who foug fought -- the president sort of handed it off to hillary clinton and one of the big fears about syria is unlike moammar gadhafi. syrian leader assaad still has some supporters, some backing in that region and we don't hear a lot of the gulf states stepping forward and saying, yes, assaad must leave because there's fear as pat buchanan just suggested about what comes next in syria. and the heavy influence next door from iran hezbollah, hamas
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and the like and the encroachment by al qaeda, not only in syria, but there have been al qaeda operatives also detected. when they're detected, they're removed. but there has been some al qaeda attempt to inject itself into this conflict too in libya and one of the big concerns among u.s. military officials, is that moammar gadhafi had a stockpile of some 20,000 shoulder fired anti-aircraft missiles and there has been no accounting for any of that and there was serious concern and some intelligence that some of those had actually left the country at the outset of that conflict there in libya. >> all right, jim miklaszewski for us there at the pentagon. some great reporting. jim, take care. the dow was down 420 points yesterday, fears about the stability of the euro zone, some bad economic news and this warning from morgan stanley that
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the u.s. economy could slip back into recession. jeff, break this down for us if you could. our policies just don't add up right now, we're spending hundreds of billions of dollars on this expanding military effort on the middle east which we can't afford, we have a completely unsolved budget deficit, obviously we don't have any agreements in this country as to what to do, but even worse than that, it's in our system -- on the other side, on the other side of the atlantic, europe is an equal mess. i actually wanted -- we like to say europe's must worse, but actually both sides are competing for the prize right now. europe also has a financial crisis. and it has big divisions between
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countries in the south like greece and healthier economies in the north like germany and it can't decide what to do. so it's a stunning lack of policy and leadership on both sides of the atlantic right now and in the meantime, the whole global economy is being shaken by competition from chandler in other economies and we have no way to address this. so on the foreign policy, we're floating along as if it's the 1980s, 1990s, the u.s. runs the show, we tell this one to go, we tell this one to go. we can't even hold our own budget together, the economy is in kind of a free fall and there are no plans and it's really the lack of clear plans and confidence right now more than any of the specifics that's undermining the markets and undermining business sentiment, undermining investment and leading to this possibility that we are indeed going to go back into a recession. >> melissa, is president is
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going to put forward a plan when he comes back from vacation. this jobs package, it looks pretty ambitious, how much of it will actually be enacted. >> that's why we have to disagree a little bit ooze to what's driving the market. first of all, the notion that's what's happening on the international stage in terms of international conflicts drivethrough the domestic markets. it's possible that that's what's driving it right now, but even in the context of war, we haven't seen that sort of sensitivity on a stay to day basis and this is august. i mean in august, not only is the president on vacation, but obviously congress is back in their home districts doing the work of talking and listening to constituents and/or vacationing, whatever may be going on in congress. the idea that there's not some kind of active leadership going on at the end of the august the markets would be taking and we see this happening
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internationally. i think it's just tough to lay all this at any individual's feet, that the president, or even eric cantor. i do think that the in fact that we have this supercommittee that doesn't seem to be be at all super. in other words there doesn't seem to be any sort of fulcrum of compromise. once congress is back in session and once the president has come back and made his speech, there's still going to be no willingness to raise revenue. then the fact is no one who's operating in the market can imagine a deficit reduction. no one who's operating in the market can imagine that until this election cycle plays itself out that these two sides are going to actually be the work of governing. that's different than saying there's no plan. even if there were a plan, there's no confidence of anyone doing the work of getting it
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through. >> we're almost three years into this administration and there's never been a plan and that's what everybody feels and the president didn't lead, he waited the quintessential image sadly of an administration that i supported and hoped for much better is the president waiting by the phone to hear what congress calls to tell him. it doesn't work in this country that way. it's not a matter that it's august, it's a matter that it's august 2011. so we have been drifting for a very long time and we have been drifting down now and we had a short-term plan that failed. a short-term stimulus that was supposed to get the economy back on track but it failed and now we have nothing behind it and we have no agreements and we have no leadership and frankly i do think it's pretty odd the president's on vacation right now, normally i would. > -- normally i wouldn't care about things. >> under no circumstances, do i
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think this is a jerk, i live in communities that are deeply impacted by this. if the president were in washington, d.c. right now, rather than in martha's vineyard? what would be happening when there's no congress in session. in our constitutional system that he is an ideas leader, but he is not in fact the generator of legislation, the notion that he could somehbe in washington somehow crafting jobs -- >> i'm concerned that it's even beyond the united states right now, because we have a worldwide crisis. president ought to be working with the whole g-20 counterparts, that means europe, it means china, it means india, because this is not just a little up and down blip, this is a pretty serious moment, this is a real crossroads for the world
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economy. will it natural back into recession in crisis, or will it get out of it. >> our next guest has an approval rating of more than 16%. and rick perry as chair of the republican governor's association and was named by mitt romney as a popular running mate. we'll also bring in cnbc's simon hodge. why are investors so spooked. plus we're going to talk a little college football. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. good morning, will, you're talking college football, that means the summer weekend is wind withing down, only two weeks before the labor day weekend. just kind of the weather pattern we're in, we'll see sunshine during the middle of the day, late afternoon storms and a lot of the big cities in the mid-atlantic and up into new england, showers and storms likely in florida, and our
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friends in denver, still hot in dallas, 106, when are they going to get a break? the west coast, we think you're even going to warm up. so much of the country, nothing too dramatic out there, the tropics are pretty quiet for you, but this time next week, i got a funny feeling things are going to change. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. [ male announcer ] get ready for the left lane. the volkswagen autobahn for all event is back. right now, get a great deal on new volkswagen models, including the cc. and every volkswagen includes scheduled carefree maintenance. that's the power of german engineering. right now lease the volkswagen cc sport for just $289 a month. ♪ visit vwdealer.com today.
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governor bob mcdonnell. governor, it's good to see you this morning. >> good morning, we're talking college football this morning, is that right? >> we would be happy to, who's your squad? how's uva looking this year. >> uva is going to be on the upswing this year. hope springs eternal in south bend this year. you've got virginia tech in blacksberg, you've got all kinds of options in virginia. let's talk about your state, reporting a $545 billion surplus for fiscal year 2011. just announcementing that, how did you do it? >> made that presentation yesterday, it was making the tough choices, we hood a $400 million surplus last year after inheriting a $4 million deficit. we cut back to 2006 spending levels, we invested in things,
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short run that would help the economy like incentives for job creation. and i think our business community has got confidence. so we're telling the virginia story, just ranked number one in the country for business by cnbc. so i'm traveling the country and foreign country to say if you want to start a business come to virginia. >> i would love to ask you to handy cap your presidential field. who do you see as the front runner or who do you see to be the potential as your party's nominee. >> i think it's becoming fairly obvious that you have a cadre of candidates, mitt romney, michele bachmann. any number of them on the stage i think would make a great president, with more vision, more leadership, and more specific policy proposals than this administration has had in
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three years. i think it ought to be a current or former governor, because they have to balance budgets, they have to make tough decisions. and can't make excuses and have to get things done on time. you look at what's wrong for washington, that's the kind of leadership you need. >> and governor, how would you hand cap it, some think it would come down to mitt romney and -- >> i would say that's a likely scenario, mitt romney, the governor of a northeast state, he's got an impeccable record, he wears very well on people and he's got some very good ideas. rick perry was my predecessor at the rga. he's a heck of a passionate guy and a compassionate guy.
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the tea party likes him, the evangelicals like him. >> you mentioned some of governor romney's new ideas that you found attracted, which ones are you referring to. i think on job creation and economic development, his -- he's laid out some things that i think will really help to stimulate the economy with tax cuts an regulatory cuts and litigation reform and those kinds of things to get to the heart and soul of what you need to do to promote business, this administration is promoting the obvious. it's the wrong poll circumstances, jeff, you had it absolutely right, there's been no concrete plans and policies and leadership and i think mitt romney is a take charge guy, look what he did with the olympics. i think he would be a great president. >> governor, really happy to hear the good news on your economy, that is terrific. i wanted to ask you though about texas, you know, one of the things that's stunning about texas right now is it's the
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worst drought in modern history. absolutely extreme. and yet, you have governor perry saying that he doesn't believe in climate science and instead has a weekend for praying for rain. what do you think about that? >> well, i'm glad he's praying. >> do you think that's adequate, governor? >> well, no, but -- look, i think there's a lot of evidence to suggest the climate's changing. the only question is what do we do about it and what can one do in terms of a broader international coalition. i think that was probably the governor's comment, i'll let him speak for himself on that, but we certainly need to do everything we can to reduce emissions because it's certainly not contributing to the health of the economy and i think there's broad consensus on that. >> thank you for saying it,
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governor, i think it's really important the american people hear that? >> west? >> congratulations on the fact that virginia kept their aaa rating, i know a lot of municipalities have not been so unfortuna unfortunate. i wanted to ask the question about poverty, the casey foundation released a report that children's poverty has increased 18% over the last decade. particularly because you're the head of a state, a municipality, you can't extend debt ceilings, you can't just print more money, how exactly do you help the most vulnerable of us in situations of declining resources? >> government's got an obligation to keep a reasonable safety net. but government can't be all things to all people. i think we realize that there are other outstanding institutions in the society, the churches, the synagogues, the benevolent organizations that
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play a lead role in providing that safety net for women and children, men who's got problems achieving the american dream. so, you know, i think that we also realize that we have got to focus on individual responsibility and accountability. probably the lead cause of children being in poverty is the division of the american family, the breakup of the american family. the divorce rate and other problems. i think we need a rekindling of our society on a focus of integrity of the family, fathers staying with their kids, we do those things, we're going to have a lot less kids in povertp. >> the supercommittee deadlocks another $600 billion will come out of defense by the automatic slicer. do you think we're cutting defense too deeply and do you think that will threaten the real prosperity of northern virginia and the entire state. >> well, virginia is second in
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overall federal spending per capita and a lot of it's defense is procurement and those kind of related benefits. significant cut backs will d disproportionately affect our states. to get away from too much reliance on that federal spending, so, yeah, i agree, those kind of deep cuts, not only represent but really may imperil national security which is why the work of the supercommittee is important. i hope they find some consensus to get it down. >> $545 million unemployment in hiss state around 6:00%. governor thanks for being with us. coming up, is there ever a good time for a world leader to go on vacation? it turns out president obama's not the only one being criticized for taking a break.
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he survives but with severe burns on his face. he becomes the first patient at operation mend, to find out how you can help, go to operationmend.ucla.edu. all i can do is think of chevy chase when i hear this song. in the video. you tube it right now. president obama is getting some flack for his summer get away from martha's vineyard, but he's
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not the first world leader to face criticism for taking a vacation. nbc's michelle kosinski joins us live from london. >> reporter: here the prime minister had a -- rioting at home. other leaders have been blasting for taking any time off in this economy but it's a tough position to be in because they know everyone's going to be looking ought where they go. >> when is a relaxing summer get away not relaxing at all when you're a word leader? and folks are yelling you should been away at all or watching your every move. they tend to not even really look like holidays, more a moto up, the clinton's swim wear dance, or russian prime minister of adventure, vladimir putin, yes, the kremlin has treated us
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to all of his shirtless horsing, butterflying, ancient urn dying, polar bear rolling, gun shooting flame flying good fun. this week with the russian president, racing speedboats, braving murky debts, concurring fish and action man outfits. how is a british prime minister to complete? poor david cameron barely got a chance, forced to leave tuscany thanks to teenagers tearing up the capital. and with the european economy crumbling, europe's chancellor steamed for strolling. even the guy who puts the bunga in bunga bunga party cut his
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summer fun short. you get plenty of time for a holiday, a rest when you get booted out of office. you're only in favor for a very short period so you just take 15 minutes and do as much as you can to help the country because, boy, when you're gone, you're gone. >> now to some, the best looking presidential vacation pictures are the ones that don't exist. i like it when the summer reading is kind of very physical, like, why yes, i am reading. that's a funny balance, because if it looks too set up and stiff then it doesn't look like much fun and it's obvious. but if they dare to let their hair down too much, they're just going to get teased for it especially by us. >> vladimir pugh on the is one guy who doesn't care what others think.
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michelle thanks so much. simon hobbs is live at the new york city stock exchange. >> i'll tell you that the market is likely to fall today. the indications will fall 84 points, we had a real rough day, we lost 110 points on the dow. that's 3.7% on one session. in the last three weeks, we have lost 13 cents on the market. the headlines that we don't have economic data out are good out this morning. bank of america cutting 3,500 jobs. the journal suggests it could be 10,000 further down the line. the situation is quite tough, the big thing that we're grappling with and jp morgan cut its growth outlooks, since we're not heading for a recession, just an inability to mount a full recovery. there's so much set that has to be, basically paid down with
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that government debt or personal debt, that it's going to slow growth and because of growth is going to slow, that's going to make the debt cutting longer. so we're kind of in this unpleasant spiral, maybe we'll break it out of it, but the market continues to rerate downwards, in other words people just taking money off the table with one exception and that of course is gold which continues to inch to a new record practically every day. >> another day, another dive for the dow. simon hobbs down from wall street. next we're going to talk to espn's college football analyst, jesse palmer about that scandal at the university of miami. that and the week in review when we come back. [ male announcer ] this...is the network --
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that's going to bring us closer together, again, 90% of the guys have nothing to do with this, as it happened in the past. so for the most part, inside here, we're moving forward. >> that's the brand-new head football coach at the university of miami, al golden yesterday talking about the scandal involving allegations of improper benefits to dozens of former and some current players. a former booster named neven shapiro, claimed in an interview with yahoo sports that he provided gifts to players including cash, cars, yacht cruises and sex parties between 2002 and 2010. a college football analyst jesse palmer. jesse, thanks for being was. so jesse, did they have any of those big sex parties in gainesville? >> i missed that. >> you didn't get any of those. all right, help us through this,
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who is first of all, this guy nevin shapiro and should we put stock in what he's claiming in this interview. >> you question the credibility of someone who's behind bars for heading up a nearly $1 billion ponzi scheme. although he was a miami booster, and he does name 72 players between the time period of 2002 and 2010. there are certainly a lot of implications, there are a lot of improper benefits that he doesn't aim and that he does less, in these allegations, you know, it's hard to sit back and try and predict what could potentially happen, in the program, certainly, until you know the validity of a lot of these allegations, however, there is a lot there and, you know, if recent history suggests anything, you look at the back 18 months, big programs, such as
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usc, ohio state, auburn, north carolina, virginia tech, lsu have all been either investigated or sanctioned by the ncaa and, you know, certainly this is big news and that sends, i think shockwaves around college football. but, you know, you certainly have to question some of the validity and certainly the credibility of nevin shapiro. >> he might be a sketchy guy, but the ncaa is taking it seriously, they have been looking into this for five months now. al golden, came from temple, kind of resurrected their program, he comes to miami in december and walks into this. do you have any sense, jesse that he knew any of this was going on? i assume he didn't or he wouldn't have taken the job, or that the university knew it was going on and didn't tell coach golden before they assigned them.
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did we lose jesse? all right, i think we lost him. >> he hung up in disgust. >> we jos jesse, he was on the cell phone, but wes, that's the thing that hits me. i want to think that the university didn't know about this before they went out and hired this guy. because he's a great young coach. >> he said this is my dream job, i said i'm not exactly -- you know what's interesting, i wonder how this is going to affect the conversation that's taking place now about whether or not college athletes you have the people that are on the receiving so many of these benefits because of the allegations that are put out. this goes to show that we had a more regulated system that we could keep the boosters out of college football, keep the boosters out of college sports so i'm interested in all these allegations whether it be with america's newschannel, msnbc or what. >> they've got to do something, because there's always a couple
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of these creeps working around in the program. they did it basted on some of the alleged gifts that they allegedly received. so ugly situation down there at miami, we'll get jesse back on the phone at some point. >> there is an upside, we got the nostalgia. >> the '80s nostalgia. >> the week in review is next. [ male announcer ] want a better way to track what you spend?
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it's been a pretty heavy week of news, but we got a little bit of light in the darkness a few minutes ago. >> why are you being so weird about this? >> i'm not being weird about this, pierce. >> at number three, remember her? >> i'm not a witch. >> former delaware senate candidate and one time dabbler in witchcraft, christine o'donnell surfaced this week. >> o'donnell did not like the line of questioning from cnn's
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piers morgan. >> don't you think as a host, this is what i want to talk about, that's what we should address? >> not really, no. >> when o'donnell finally had had enough of questions about witchcraft and gay marriage, she pulled the plug. >> where are you going? >> at number two, please stop wearing our clothes, no, seriously, we'll pay you. >> i'm going to have a threesome tonight. >> mike "the situation" tarantino was offered big must be this week by abercrombie & fitch to cease and deit is wearing its clothes. >> the clothing company that's geared toward froehliching college companies. the sich is one shirtless guy is one guy they want no part of.
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>> and the number one story of the week. >> let me tell you when i'm in, i'm in the all the way. it talks to pawlenty this week but picked up to perry in the race for the republican nomination. that big, black cloud that hangs over america. the texas governor that got his leg up in a big old bale of iowa clay. >> i don't know what you would do with them in iowa but we would treat them pretty ugly down in texas. >> as perry was blowing mock kisses to his rival mitt romney. some suggested the lone star governor should tone down his act a bit. >> he's going to have to dial back to texas and not, you're already at the yosemit sam level. >> all' put him some slack, he's
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only been a at it for a few stays now. perry stole the sign from michele bachmann's win in the iowa straw poll. she stole it back briefly, by wishing elvis a happy birthday on the anniversary of his untimely zth. death. even with bachmann and kerr and others running at high speed, there's still room in the race request one more republican superstar with big ideas for the country? >> are you the pro master -- >> he put me in a situation that was very uncomfortable and we are very late getting the off
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camera signal because we had cspan waiting for me and the interview was over and he wasn't letting go because he needs the ratings, which why he's exaggerating what happened. i didn't storm off, his sound person is the one who took off my mike. >> he needs the ratings, coming back swinging, that's her side of the story. up next, what did we learn today? [ female announcer ] this is not a prescription. this is kate. [ kate ] can't believe i have high blood pressure. what's that thing? another medication. ♪ i really should have taken my shoes off before i got weighed. [ female announcer ] you've got a lot on your mind. that's why every walgreens prescription goes through a 10 point safeguard check that reviews your current walgreens health record
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all right, so what did we learn over the last three hours, we begin in washington with p patrick j. buchanan. >> we learned that putin had raised the bar, get into the spare fishing outfit, where the secret service drop a couple of urns into the atlantic. go on and pull it out. >> put on the scuba gear, mr. president, and get to the bottom of the nantucket sound. mark halperin what did you learn. >> you, sir, saw christine o'donnell. >> i thought she defended herself nicely on the today show
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today. >> i learned that jesse palmer is as uncomfortable talking to you as everyone else. >> did he hang up on me? >> i learned that the global fight for the future was played out on is basketball court yesterday. the united states represented by georgetown university playing against the team and apparently this is what is future will hold. chairs thrown, haymakers kicking. there was kicking, there was stomping and ultimately the ited states was let off the court under police escort. reads into that what you will. we'll see everybody back here on monday, have a great weekend. stick around for the daily rundown hosted by mr. chris cillizza. rick perry shot to the top
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