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plus ambassador jeffrey feltman direct from his talks in benghazi with libya's new governing council. we begin with breaking news from libya. a six-month civil war has ended the four-decade reign of terror of muammar gadhafi. rebel forces now control much of the capital. the fighting continues already the world is recognizing libya's new transitional government and preparing for a new libya. the potential promise and the peril of what lies ahead. richard engel has covered the war from the very beginning and has been with the rebel forces when they made their triumphant march into tripoli. >> reporter: andrea, how much can change in 24 hours. the city now full of celebrat n celebratio celebrations. people are still streaming in firing their guns in the air. families are arriving into the city flashing the victory sign. it's not quite over. there are still pockets of fighting, still pockets where gadhafi loyalists are held out
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mostly around gadhafi's presidential compound. most of the city about 80% according to rebels has now been taken. now this all began yesterday when rebels decided that the hour had arrived and they decided to march on the city. thousands of rebels left the town and walked into tripoli. they walked 20 miles, 30 miles. when they got to the edges of tripoli in this enormous wave of enthusiasm, gadhafi's troops simply melted away. they decided they weren't going to fire on to their own people. fire into these crowds of rebels just approaching en masse walking into the city. we saw gadhafi's troops had just dropped their uniforms on to the streets and blended back into the population. it's not over yet. gadhafi's own whereabouts remain unknown. but the rebels say they have captured his most important son saif and are now many the process of trying to negotiate
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with the international criminal court and hand him over to international authorities. andrea? >> richard engel on the watch in tripoli. the most exciting and triumphant story overnight. but the obama administration has been working on this for some time. therve pressuring the rebel leaders to reach out to opposing tribes and try to create a more broadly based government that can prevent retaliation and establish order. the point man for all of this from the u.s. in benghazi at rebel headquarters has been assistant secretary of state jeff feldman. he talked to me from a stop over in cairo about the challenge for the new governing group. >> i was encouraged by what i heard from benghazi. first of all, the amount of communication was far greater than i knew. i sat with one official who said
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in one hour another neighborhood is going to start the uprising in tripoli. he sort of predicted what was going to unfold over the next 24 hours and it did almost as clock work as preducted. which told me there's more indications of what's going on. i'm encouraged by the amount of effort they put into trying to make sure that the widespread looting, the type of retribution you might expect in this situation is prevented. risk are downplayed. i'm hearing that there are check points set up in parts of tripoli under rebel control to prevent the types of lawlessness that we've seen happen elsewhere with dictatorships overthrown. i'm encouraged, but time will tell. >> do you think that they can disarm the city? can they actually create civilian authority, police authority and start creating some kind of political structure given the fact that there has been so much bickering among themselves and this sa tribal society? >> i don't think anything's guaranteed. i want to be cautious here.
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but what they have done is they've been in contact with people the second, third, fourth tier in all of the institutions in tripoli to make sure that there's already a connection being made even before they got to tripoli. so that the institutions, the public safety continues. the other thing that was important from the tnc's perspective is that the uprising start from within tripoli. you have tripoli residents themselves starting rather than having an assault from outside. you can't tell that this is all going to work. but so far the picture's encouraging. there are plans of how you sort of run the country afterwards. how you build legit maassy. how you make sure that you're including the breadth of libya's geography and tribal structures in the governing structures. the challenge is to get from day one after the tnc is declared that gadhafi regime is over to the point where they're actually implementing these plans on the
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ground. >> does it matter what happens to gadhafi? >> i think it does matter. first of all there's a sense of justice that people are going to want to feel. second of all, i don't know that anyone in libya who's lived through 42 years of his rule will trust him until they see that he's really out of the way. i heard people express concerns, for example, what if he sneaks away. will he continue to have access to mercenaries from across the borders. i think people in libya are going to feel much more comfortable about building a better future for themselves once they know that he doesn't pose a risk to them again. >> the oil markets seem to feel that this group, this rebel group can re-establish the supply lines, can get those fields going again and can create real money for libya and of course oil for the world, which given that it's 2% of the oil supply in the world is already causing some softening on the future markets of price. do you think that's credible that they can get it up to speed
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and run the oil industry as well? >> as i understand it, the damage that was done for example to the eastern pipelines within ten days or two weeks it can be repaired. the rebels hadn't repaired it until now because they didn't want to have t sabotaged again. once the country is fully under council control, i think it's going to be very easy to start this up again. it's absolutely essential that they do have access to resources, to fuel supplies, because the tnc wants to be able to provide services to the cities from day one. to show the people that they can deliver the services essential to that better future that the libyans want. >> i know you're off to the arab league meetings in doha. safe travels, jeff. thank you so very much. >> thanks for having me. and the libyan ambassador to the united states until last february when he resigned to
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protest gadhafi's brutal crackdown. last wednesday the libyan embassy in washington reopened with great fanfare and under the charge of the ambassador once again. the ambassador now joins us from capitol hill. thank you for joining us today. >> thank you. >> first of all, do you know, do the other members of the rebel leadership know when gadhafi is? >> i wish i know. but i believe he's still in libya. >> and do we believe that he still might be in tripoli? i've been told by u.s. officials that they think he could still be in tripoli in a bunker in some sort of protected area? >> this is our expectation that he's in libya around tripoli. not far away from the center of the cities. >> what have you heard from your colleagues in libya there are pockets of fighting, it's certainly the end of gadhafi's regime, but it doesn't necessarily mean that there's
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going to be law and order. it's going to be quite a challenge. what are you hearing from the transitional national council? >> what i'm hearing that more than 85% of the -- even more of tripoli is under control of the tnc. there are some box here and there. gadhafi is taking some sensitive places like hospitals and like hotels where they have some forces loyal to him. and the main issue to now, tripoli in general is under control. they're taking care of the check points and tripoli was taken over by minimum casualties. that's really surprising everybody i guess to control tripoli in less than maybe 12 hours. >> can the interim governing
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authority disarm people in tripoli? do you think they can establish some sort of civilian authority? this has been a huge challenge in past revolutions. we've seen what happened in baghdad when the army was dismissed. what about the possibility of looting? >> this is the message we've been sending to the libyan people from maybe the beginning of this revolution. no retaliation. no revenge. and i'm very sure that the tnc when they get over to tripoli they will being up the government after they go through the process which they're supposed to do for the elections and then very sure to control the arms in the street. libya is a very small population, 6.5 million. libyans are not aggressive people by nature. they just want stability, they want security. that's what they want. and gadhafi offer something like this some security, some stability, some justice, and this abuse and distribution of
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wealth, i think -- then it is completely different society in size and in -- there's no sectarians in libya also which makes things more easy. i believe the support of the united states and the european union and the arab countries which we are enjoying now, that will help us to get through this difficult time very quickly and easily. >> what should happen to muammar gadhafi once he is found captured? should he be put on trial in libya or to the international court? >> let us get him first and that issue will be handled by the libyan word. >> thank you very much, mr. ambassador. thanks for joining us today. >> what about the u.s.? our military and nato which we are of course part of which made this rebel victory possible? what lies ahead? for that we're joined by former defense secretary william cohen.
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thanks so much. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> let's talk about nato there was a lot of criticism we were quote, leading from behind. letting nato take the lead on this only using air power. do you think that this vindicates the president's strategy? >> i think the president was criticized unreasonably in terms of what the role of the united states should have been in this particular case. secretary gates came out very early and said libya was not in an our vital national security interest. that was met with some questions until the british and french said it's in their interest to do something and they took the lead. once that happened and once the arab league signed on the a no fly zone, then i think the president had little option at that point but to join many the effort. i think he was correct to take a subordinant role rather than a lead role which meant we were taking the lead role in
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afghanistan, iraq and libya. that would have been counterproductive for us. i had a question initially in terms of once the president however went public and said gadhafi had to go, we had a mismatch between that public declaration by the president and the mission itself which was to protect the rebels from gadhafi. to make sure that gadhafi didn't stay in power. i would have liked to have seen a little more action earlier on. but i think the president deserves credit and shouldn't be criticized at this point for quote, leading from behind. i think really we have to be careful where we lead in the front and exercise a bit more restraint as we look forward to other types of instability, other types of arab springs and other countries, we need to be careful where we commit our forces to. it's easy to get into a war as we're finding in afghanistan, iraq very difficult to get out. >> what do we need to do now
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militarily to help this new government create some sort of law and order? is that our role now as a member of nato? >> you know, i think the question needs to be not what should we do now, but go to the libyan people and say, how can we help? ask them how we can help them now. what is it they need. what would they like us to try and do? i think we have to be very careful here that this is not seen as the u.s. and western powers now coming in that the fighting and dying has been done by the libyan people, the rebels, now the government and that suddenly we come in and say here's what you need to do. i think we have to step back and say how can we help and then work with them as closely as we can to bring about more stability, more economic support that might be necessary in the short-term, humanitarian assistance, trying to get the distribution system for food and supplies and medicines back into the hands of the people. i think those are the things we can do. >> but would we have to take part as boots on the ground
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peacekeepers in some u.n. or nato fashion? >> i'm sorry. i couldn't quite hear you? >> do you think we have to take part and put boots on the ground and be part of some peacekeeping force? >> i don't think that's necessary at this point. i think the rebels what they really need are institution building. the rule of law has to be established. i think that what we've seen in listening to what the ambassador has said there doesn't seem to be an inclination to start rioting and looting or seeking retribution. i think that will be important if we send the signal that they're seeking reconciliation, not retribution that will be important to having a smoother transition to a new government, a new democracy. that's something that's unpredictable right now. we have to watch it day-by-day. and again suggest to the libya people we've been helpful in helping you to achieve this victory. we'd like to continue to be helpful. tell us what you need and we'll respond. >> thank you very much, bill
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cohen. good to see you. >> and president obama has as we've been saying caught a lot of flak from congress over the months for doing too much or too little in libya. so what are lawmakers saying now about the president's strategy with gadhafi have been been toppled? house intelligence chair mike rogers joining us. send me your thoughts on twitter at mitchel reports. follow the show online. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] we've got all you need for back to school with low prices every day on everything. backed by our ad match guarantee. save money. live better. walmart. backed by our ad match guarantee. -woohoo! -yes! ♪ it was the best day ♪ it was the best day yeah! ♪ it was the best day
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it has been a long and violent road to tripoli. today rebels have effectively toppled the regime of muammar gadhafi. does nato's strategy vindicate president obama's patience? we have the chair of the house intelligence committee and joins me now. good strategy? >> well i advocated early on that we should intervene a little bit earlier. i do think the one thing that's
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proven in this u.s. involvement jushs as it may be can make a big difference when you're talking about toppling dictators and bringing liberty to people. i think it's something that we have to keep as a part of our international portfolio. >> where do you think gadhafi might be? >> i believe that he's probably in a bunker system or a secure portion in tripoli. >> and what do we do next? what is the greatest need for creating stability and what role does the u.s. play? >> i think this next week is incredibly important on several levels. from a national security of the united states level we have got to make sure that the weapons systems, the chemical weapons stockpile and other weapon systems that we are very concerned about don't go missing. that ought to be our number one priority as we move forward. at the same time and we could do more than one thing at a time is to make sure that it doesn't break into chaos. that you don't find factions
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amongst the rebels beginning to fight over a small piece of the pie. the goal here is to let the libyan people understand that everybody wins with a big piece of pie here and the hole pie is difyed up at the end of the day. we ought not have small factions fighting for a little bit of control over libya that may result in some violence moving forward. all of that has to happen at the same time. the next 72 hours to a week are critically important to a stable and secure libya moving forward. >> chemical weapons. are we talking about chlorine and how much is weaponized, how much are stockpiles of materials? >> in the form that it's in, we know where the facilities are for the chemical weapons. >> what does he have? >> he has gas, he has mustard gas, and there may be other remnants of other programs we're not fully aware of. but those we do know. the mustard gas is in large kauntity. it is serious. it's lethal and it's something that we need to make sure
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doesn't get legs and walk away. that ought to be one of our real priority. we know where the facilities are. we need to be very aggressive about making sure that those facilities don't fall in the hands of people who are interested in moving those goods someplace else. >> what do we know about islamic influence and the possibility of radical islamic influence, al qaeda taking advantage of the chaos? >> we know the muslim brotherhood is making a real effort in libya. we're still trying to assess and our intelligence community assesses every day about how well they're doing amongst trying to gain some levers of power. on the whole the movement in and of itself has not been that. it has been a more freedom-based movement. but we do see elements of al qaeda trying to take advantage of this situation, clearly and the muslim brotherhood trying to take advantage of this situation as well. both concerning and it's something that we watch every
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day. that's why this next week or so is important. and i hope as americans and i hope that the merngs i don't think they will says now that it's done it's time to really pull back. this is really the time for a dramatic surge for our opportunity to provide american expertise on how to establish getting your economy back on its feet when it comes to re-establishing the production of oil, which they're going to need those resources. how do you establish the civilian government. how do you make sure that you're note fighting over a small poos of a big pie that everybody gets to understand that moving forward libya -- can be free and can be a powerful player in the mideast and certainly africa, but you have to do that as a team. >> mike rogers, thank you very much. good to see you. jon huntsman goes hunting for attention by attacking the right wing of his own party. the politico briefing up next on "andrea mitchell reports."
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and we have breaking news right here on msnbc. president obama will make a televised statement about the situation in libya at 2:00. so 2:00 the president from martha's vineyard will be speaking on the subject of libya and the toppling of mo mar gadhafi. back to politics, john huntsman has a new strategy to punch through appealing to mainstream republicans by hitting back at his more conservative rivals. especially rick perry. on abc huntsman went after perry's suggestion earlier this week that fed policy was near treasonous. >> i don't know if that's presuccession texas or post succession texas. in any event i'm not sure that the average voter out there is going to hear that treasonous remark and say that sounds like a presidential candidate. i think when you find yourself at the extreme end of the republican party you make yourself unlexable. >> we have the senior political reporter for politico and joins me now. what is the strategy.
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huntsman has not been that tough on his opponents. he really made a beeline for rick perry. >> this is a marked deper chaur from his posture of the last to two months. he is now mentions their name. he is really going after them directly. i think it's pretty clearly a result that he is not moving on the polls. she's trying to find a way to get in the conversation. he was not in the conversation at all during that debate in iowa. they're looking for a way to breakthrough. in politics oftentimes you do that by going on the offensive. that's what he's doing here. also hitting romney. the question is this, is there a place in this year's gop for the sort of straight talking, truth telling moderate? perhaps in new hampshire, i'm not sure beyond. >> thank you so much. a real change in the huntsman
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preview this morning. >> it's just a dream come true for all of us in america to be able to have such a tribute to him. >> he was for everybody. not just for black people. he was very everybody. equality for everybody. >> congressman john lewis back then a 23-year-old civil rights movement worker was with dr. king every step of the way. i sat down with john lewis to talk about the importance of this day to him. >> it is wonderful. it is so moving to visit the mall and see this memorial to martin luther king jr. he's standing between jefferson and lincoln. to have a man of peace, love and nonviolence on the mall it's probably the first time in
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history of our country to have someone who's never elected to a public position. he's not a general. not a president. but a simple human being who lived and died for the cause of civil and human rights. >> when you think back 48 years ago do that speech, the crowds, the fears, the anticipation, what was it like when you came out with dr. king on those steps and looked up at that sea of humanity in front of you? >> the day that we came out and saw this unbelievable crowd, this sea of humanity, but it was many, many more and when dr. king started speaking --
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>> i have a dream. that one day this nation will rise -- >> i knew from his action, his movement of his body that he was ready to preach and he did preach. >> was he nervous before the speech? >> i don't think martin luther king jr. was nervous. i think he was so well prepared and i think the audience, the crowd inspired him. he had spoken before to large groups, churches, synagogues and outdoor rallies, but this was the largest crowd for him. but he had the ability that day to pull up on something. to reach for something deep down in his gut. deep down in his soul. and he knew he was preaching. he had the ability in my
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estimation to transform those marble steps of the lincoln memorial into modern day pulpit. he knew he was getting over. by the time he got to that refrain, i have a dream, i have a dream deeply rooted in the american dream. and when he lifted his hand and said, free at last, free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, he knew he had made the day a day that will forever be remembered in the history of america. >> what is your feeling as a witness, as a companion, as a fellow marcher in the struggle, your feeling seeing a memorial to him in this place where he first was protesting and preaching? >> well, i'm more than gratified
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to see it happen. i've gone there, visited, went up on the scaffold, the builders, the architects invited me to come out. soy went out. i rubbed the head and the face of dr. king. and i was moved to tears. >> does it seem real to you? does it represent him to you? >> oh, i've seen a lot of likeness of dr. king, this is one of the best. one of the best. this is just unbelievable print of a man standing with an arm foal folded or newspaper or magazine under his arm looking straight out at jefferson. sort of turned to the side of lincoln. saying in effect okay, it's all
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right. you know, on the other hand, i think dr. king would say something like what is this all about? what is the fuss? why are y'all doing this? >> how did he have the courage when you and he were marching selma, the moments when you faced the police and the hoses and the dogs and the batons, how did you have the courage to know that you would survive it and that there was some future out there that would offer a better life to people? >> we had this -- this great sense that we were on the right side of history. that somehow in some way it was all going to work out. and that some powers, some force were with us. we didn't know whether we would
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survive. but somehow we believed that if we were consistent and persistent and not give up and not give in or bitter or hostile, we would make it. and dr. king would say from time to time during his lifetime he would say, like any man i would like to live a long time, but it's not the length of your life, what you do with the time that you have. and that's what he did. he gave all that he had. >> if he were alive today, what do you think his mission would be? what do you see in america in our society that is the unfinished business of dr. martin luther king jr.? >> if he were alive today, he would still be out there teaching, preaching, speaking against hunger, poverty, against war, and violence.
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especially against violence here at home and abroad. he would tell us that we're one people, we're one family. we're one house. we all live in the same house. and not just american house. but the world house. one of his speeches he said on one occasion, we must learn to live together as brothers and sisters. or we will perish as fools. i think that message is still relevant today. >> and president obama is expected to be at the memorial on sunday for the official opening that will be 48 years to the day since the speech, the great i have a dream speech right there on the mall. and we are also of course expecting president obama to be making a statement today at the top of the hour on the situation in libya. even with muammar gadhafi all but defeated libya has a long road ahead. tribal factions and the possibility of terror groups taking route are just two of the many hurdles facing the
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transitional national council. former ambassador nick burns is a professor at harvard's kennedy school of government and joins me now. good to see you, nick. thanks for being with us. earlier i was talking to mike rogers and he mentioned among the challenges the possibility of chemical weapons that now need to be secured, stockpiles at least. what are the other issues that i think are most pressing as someone who has faced other revolutions in seeing the chaos that can ensue? >> andrea, i think it's clear from what we're seeing on television today that the battle is not quite over in tripoli. gadhafi may have lost his country. the rebel alliance is gaining a spectacular victory. there's still some neighborhoods and perhaps military bases under the control of koernl gadhafi. that has to be taken care of. certainly when the war is finished, this rebel asliens will have to transform itself from a people's army into a government that can begin to represent people for the first time in libyan history.
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that's going to be a very difficult daunting task for them because it's a divided country in a tribal-based society. it's a heavily fractured brutalized population four decades of dictatorship. the cities have been largely destroyed along the mediterranean coast because of the fighting in the last six months. just getting services back to people. getting people to believe again in a government and getting the credibility of the rebel asliens in this new government established i think is going to be the tallest order in the next couple of weeks. >> how important is it to get gadhafi and put him on trial and should he be put on trial in libya as a symbol of governance or should he go to the hague? >> it's going to be very important as it was in iraq with saddam hussein for the dictator not only to fall from power, but to be captured and to be held accountable for the crimes against his own citizens. obviously the libyan people and the new government are going to have to decide whether or not
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that trial should take place in libya itself. i know the international criminal court has already said in the last 24 hours that they have charges against gadhafi and his sons and other officials to be brought. but that's for another day. i think it's going to be very important for the united states government for europe, for the arab states to give unstenting political support to this new government, but to test the new government as well in one respect. will this government be moderate? will it put itself on a democratic footing from the start? we don't know that yet. this band of soldiers needs to transform itself and then of course, i think it's going to be important, andrea for economic assistance to be given to this new government. here i would say that president obama ought to insist that the european countries and the arab countries take the lead. they have vital interests in libya certainly far greater than our interests and the u.s. has played a critical role in the military campaign particularly
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over the last few weeks. it's now time for europe and the arab countries i think to step up with economic support for this new government. >> we have only a few seconds, nick. no boots on the ground. we're hearing from the white house that he is not, president obama does not want to put troops there to help as peacekeepers. can we do it without putting american troops on the ground? >> i think so. i think you have this rebel army that can provide immediate security. there's always the possibility of european or arab troops if that new government wishes for them to come in, i see no reason to put a a great number of american soldiers on the ground. president obama ought to feel vindicated his policy is working. >> good to see you. we expect to hear from president obama at the top of the hour about the situation in libya. stay with us for live coverage on msnbc. ♪ i like dat, all right [ male announcer ] mio. a revolutionary water enhancer. add a little...or a lot. for a drink that's just the way you like it.
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we are awaiting a statement from president obama on the breaking news out of libya now that the rebels have taken control of nearly all of tripoli, we will bring you the president's statements live at the top of the hour. we're watching the big story here at home and that of course the jobs. right here in miami-dade county unemployment is a stragerring 13%. congresswoman wilson will join me. she's the host of this evening's town hall where many people have been criticizing the plan to get americans back to work. plus, the prosecution in the dominique strauss-kahn case is said to be close to a big decision tomorrow. we'll have all of that for you in about 15 minutes on "news nation." the pentagon says that the u.s. military has no plans to send ground troops into libya as part of the country's transition process. opposition forces are working to build a united leadership after rebel fighters drove colonel gadhafi into hiding. just a few minutes ago, the libyan ambassador to the u.s.
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says he believes the long time diktor is still hiding in or around the capital city of libya. with mounting pressure from the congressional black caucus and republicans on the other to do something about unemployment, what kind of economic plan should the president deliver? white house advisors are debating that. right now the correct balance between budget cutting and stimulus. "the washington post" columnist deejay deion argues he should go big. what do you want him to do and isn't there a risk of creating a huge deficit, an even bigger deficit and losing the independent vote? >> he should go big and long. it should be two things at the same time most economists and most business people think she should do. we need to stimulate the american economy, you can't use the word stimulate anymore to keep us from going into a second recession. i've been watching your sister
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network cnbc a lot. these are business folks at the same time people are worried about the long-term deficit. there's no reason why he can't combine the two. a lot of serious stimlative programs including by the way helping state and local governments so they stop these cut backs that have killed half a million jobs. i would like the idea of rebuilding schools as well as highways and bridges. then at the same time hayout how we're going to solve the deficit over the next decade. you can do both at the same time. i foond it very hard to believe that americans have lost their imagination so they can't keep two ideas in their heads at the same time. >> is there any proof that these big projects near term actually create jobs? >> sure they do. >> but the time that it takes to ramp up. can anything be done right away? >> i think one of the things you can do, and this you can do by executive order, i have a feeling they are working on ways to do this from what irk gather is take money in the pipeline
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and push it out quicker. get projects started more quickly. >> get the shovel ready. they always said that they were going to be shovel ready, but they really did not have an impact. >> when you look at the original stimulus, it was undersold in the following sense that that stimulus and the stimulus of countries all around the world, that's the other piece that i think he needs to do kept us from going into a deep depression. in march of 2009, the leaders of the 20 richest countries in the world got together and had a plan which kept us from going off of the edge, and obama should take the lead and pull together the leaders the g-20 leaders and say, all right, we are facing this real danger now, and let's act together again so that we don't face now the problem that we avoided two years ago. >> e.j., any sign he will do it? >> well, there is some division inside of the white house, but this may appeal to him politically and substantively, and substantively why shouldn't
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the president get out there to i is a, whether it can pass or not, this is what we should do, and strength is something he needs to convey right now and i think that this would convey strength. >> thank you very much. >> good the be with you. >> great to have you here. and what political story will be making headlines in the next 24 hours is next right here. [ male announcer ] this is lisa, who tries to stay ahead of her class. morning starts with arthritis pain... that's two pills before the first bell. [ bell rings ] it's time for recess... and more pills. afternoon art starts and so does her knee pain, that's two more pills. almost done, but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve because it can relieve pain all day with just two pills. this is lisa... who switched to aleve and fewer pills for a day free of pain. and get the all day pain relief of aleve in liquid gels. excuse me? my grandfather was born in this village. [ automated voice speaks foreign language ]
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so which political story will be making headlines in the next 24? joining me is an editorial writer for the washington post, jonathan capehart. jonathan, i think it is the president speaking in the next few hours speaking of moammar gadhafi. >> yes, the president will come out the talk about the situation in tripoli as we have been watching and you have been report on the show today. i expect the president to talk about the fact that this is something that by and large that even though nato is helping the rebels and, you know,
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particularly the leader from france and european nations that this is something that is being let and pushed by the libyan people by themselves. the president has gone to great lengths to make it clear this is something that is not instigated by the united states. the administration has been sensitive to making it look like the united states is involved in yet another arab country pushing for so-called regime change. so that is one of the things that we will be talking about in the president's message. >> the tone is going to be very, very important, and the signals going forward. jonathan capehart, we will all be watching, and that does it for us for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." an important day in history today and tomorrow on the show congressman john larson will be joining us to talk about the jobs crisis. and speaking of the jobs crisis, my colleague tamron hall is going to talk about the black caucus and the jobs issues.
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yes, thank you, andrea. we are expecting a statement from president obama any minute now. and where is moammar gadhafi and who is in control now? the post-gadhafi regime is taking over and we are talking about here at home fredricka wilson to join me live about a town hall and big jobs fair in florida, a key swing state. we will have her as a live guest to preview what we can expect, "newsnation" is minutes away. woman: downloading music can be expensive. so to save money, i trained my dog and this cockatoo to play all the hits of the '80's
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