i'm from california. it was familiar. when i ran to the window, which frankly you're not supposed to do, i saw a lot of people looking out windows of the other sky scrapers throughout the area looking to see other people's reactions. you can't tell that we didn't know what the heck was going on. the good news, if there's anything tonight, it might be an easy commute home. a lot of people left work early today. >> thanks, peter alexander. that will do it for "hardball." we'll have another live edition in an hour. now, al sharpton. welcome to the show. i'm al sharpton. a lot to talk about tonight, a lot on my mind. the president seems right that he was able to bag nato in getting gadhafi's empire to fall. i was one that questioned him and was not -- but it seems like the gop on the right and some of us on the left may have underestimated the leading from

behind and what it would cost in human life. we'll see and we'll talk about that tonight. we're getting ready for the weekend rain or shine, we're going to memorialize martin luther king in a monument. first non-president, first of color, now all of a sudden mitt romney says he's going to make a major jobs speech. we're going to give mitt romney and the rest of them something to say with our march for jobs this week. we'll talk about what that is with an outstanding union leader, gull first the big news in new york today that literally shook people up. it wasn't my announcement. it was the ground literally

moving. you know pundits like to talk about political earthquakes, but today they got a real one. experts say aftershocks are likely from today's a.8 quake. it was centered in virginia, but was felt from detroit to atlanta to martha's vineyard where the president is vacationing. it was the largest east coast quake in more than half a century. trains were stopped. flights were grounded, and buildings were evacuated all across the east coast, including at the white house and the pentagon. we've heard scattered reports of damage, but so far no serious injuries. lots of cell phones weren't working, because there was overloading of the system.

a lot of calls were jammed, a lot of calls lost, a lot of calls dropped. but more seriously than our losing some of our calls, two nuclear reactors near the epicenter were taken off-line when the quake hit. that's a little more serious and of concern to me. i want to talk about that. let's bring in nbc's pete williams who has been reporting on this all afternoon. pete, how do things look now? >> reporter: i just got off the phone with the head of the federal emergency management agency, who et cetera been talking to federal and state officials around the region, and there have been no requests for any kind of federal assistance, so it does appear that the east coast has dodge any very serious damage or injury to the nation's infrastructu infrastructure. as you say, trains and planes were slowed down today. they're still operating slowly. am track trains south of imbalance more heading to d.c.,

all operating slowly while they check the rails. the nuclear power plant you mentioned is not far from the epicenter, which was in mineral, virginia. that concerned me, because we don't have they friend scares, we overreacted in some cases? >> well, it's a very logical question. what happened was the two generators at this nuclear power plant, the two nuclear powered ones went off-line automatically as the system is designed to do, and the officials say they can tell no structural damage to the plants. earthquakes are what the construction of nuclear plants take into account. they're intended to survive earthquakes.

they are not surprised that there wasn't any damage to the nuclear facility. in japan the damage was not from the earthquake, was to the fact that all their emergency power shut down and they couldn't cool the plant. that caused extensive damage. there doesn't seem to be any of that concern here. in terms of safety, in the northeast u.s., because of this earthquake, i have not heard of any big concerns. >> all right. pete williams, thank you very much. let's bring in peggy hellwig, a seismologist at the university of california berkeley. peggy, thanks for joining me. >> glad to be here, al. >> why was this felt so widely on the east coast. you could feel it all the way up here in virginia. i was doing my radio show in new york, and the building i'm in, the building, we all -- you could feel it like it had hit new york. why was the east coast, you could feel is so far from where

the point of impact was? the geology of the east coast is much more coherent. on the west coast, we're more a pile of junk. on the east coast, it's all melded together in one big, clean thing. so when you hit it, like a piece of metal, you can hear the waves, feel the waves all the way to the edge of the met 58, whereas on the west coast, an earthquake of the same size makes more like a thud. it's felt locally, but not very broadly. >> does that mean it could have been worse? >> i mean -- >> could it have felt more broad ly, or with more impact? >> so if it had been bigger, there would have been more

impact and felt more broadly, but it wasn't bigger. it was already felt much more broadly than it would have been on the west coast. >> so on the west coast, the same 5.8 would not have been as brought and impact would not have felt the same because of the crust of the -- how the earth is on the west coast as opposed to here on the east coast? >> right. so a magnitude 5.8 in los angeles isn't felt in san francisco. this one was in richmond and felt all the way to martha's vineyard, to boston perhaps. that's a much longer distance, like the distance between los angeles and san francisco. what about the aftershocks? >> there will be aftershocks. essentially all earthquakes have aftershocks, we just can't measure them. >> i saw one already of magnitude 2.7 or so. one of the additional differences between the east coast and the west coast is that we have a lot more seismic

instrumentation out here, so we can measure many more small earthquakes, and the networks are not nearly as dense on the east coast because you don't have as many earthquakes as we do. >> all right. well, thank you peggy, for joining me. >> you're welcome. glad to. >> we hopefully will not have to keep calling you in, because when you come, that means we've been shaken up a bit. but thank you for being with us tonight. >> yeah, i wouldn't expect in new york for you to feel very many of the aftershocks from virginia. >> well, that's good. you make me feel better. >> good. have a good evening. >> you too. coming up -- all the republican 2012 candidates slammed president obama's strategy in libya. so do you think they're ready to eat some humble pie now? me neither. and rick perry's campaign says you can't judge the

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republicans are celebrating the fall of gadhafi, but they're still not willing to give the president any credit. surprised? i'm not.

i was opposed to the president going into libya. i want we cannot engage in another war, and i've been

opposed to the united states being the police to the world, and engaged in regime change. i also said we're going to lose a lot of lives. it's going to be a long war, there's going to be bloodshed. well, as far as the long war and a lot of bloodshed of american troops, i was wrong. i have to say the president and his lead from behind strategy in terms of those concerns was right, i was wrong, even though people don't think i disagree with the president, i did, and on this one, from a military standpoint, he seemed to be correct. this lab a historic day for the people of libya. the whereabouts of dictator moammar gadhafi remain unknown, but today for the first time rebels took control of the compound. >> air strikes quickly developed into close fighting. the rebels advanced to as close as they could to the wall.

they fired anti-aircraft guns onto the wall. they managed to breach a hole onto the walls themselves and now there are thousands, rebels and ordinary people who have come in to see what is inside. the structure has weakened many, many times over the course of months by nato air strikes, but ultimately it was rebels ground troops that pushed in and fought through this very large sprawling com pound. strategically this means that tripoli has fallen. once inside, rebels danced on the top of a statue of a golden fist, crushing a u.s. war plane. gadhafi had built it after another u.s. president, ronald reagan, bombed the dictator's property a quarter of a century ago. republicans have hailed the fact that libya now has the open of democracy. here is mitt romney. >> i think the world celebrates

the idea of getting rid of gadhafi he was one of the worse on the word stage. jon huntsman calls it a step forward. but let's remember, it wasn't so long ago these same people were hammering the president for the obama policy in libya. >> i would have chosen from the beginning not to intervene. >> i think gadhafi ought to depart, but it's not clear to me that this administration is up to the task. >> this is about as bad a run as any foreign operations we've seen. >> thus far the president has been -- he's tentative, indecides i have, timid and nuanced. >> united in hitting the

president, but not united in apologizing or even giving credit. they're conveniently skipping over the fact that president obama got this done the way he said. joining me is congressman robert andrews, democrat from new jersey, a member of the house armed services committee. and robert wolfe, nbc political analyst. thank you both for being here. >> thank you, reverend. what does the response now tell us about their judgment and their fairness? >> it tells us they are way out of the american mainstream. these guys have not bring themselves to wish success to the leadership under president obama. these are people who cheered when chicago did not get the olympic games. they're the ones who did not congratulate him on his role as commander in chief in the bin laden operation, and now

conspicuously absent from the celebration is any mention of the commander in chief. americans unify at a time like this. the fact these guys won't do this just shows how far out of the mainstream they all are. >> richard wolffe, many people disagree with the libya mission than the republicans, but i must say part of my concerns, i have to say the president proved wrong. it has not been when you look at a five-months toppling, it has not been prolonged. it's not been a lot of american lives, it's not been bloodshed. i still have concerns of the united states becoming police of the world and intervention, but clearly in the way he said he would execute and not overexpos america has proven to be something that many of us doubted, has been executed do

you think the republicans by not conceding at least that point lose a lot of credibility in their credentials as being those that in a fairway can judge foreign interventions and excuse of foreign policy? >> as a judgment question clearly. the president was right and if you're right it goes a long way. in spite of the best efforts of conservatives and republicans across the board, this president stubbornly refuses to be jimmy carter, okay? he wound down the war in iraq successfully, which was no small feat. he ramped up the operation in afghanistan, which i know a lot of progressives don't like, but really you cannot criticize him on his approach to al qaeda, al qaeda's leadership. he ordered the strike on bin laden, and now gadhafi, this guy has american blood on his hands. he was pursued for decades as a rogue leader. so this was no small deal, and the criticism of him -- i hear what the representatives are saying, but this republican

field and this republican echo chamber is even out of the mainstream of republican opinion. >> they are. >> they criticized this president for going after alliances, for seeking approval of the u.n. >> bush fully tonight the u.n. when he went in the first gulf war. president reagan was a leader in the u.n. they all supported the u.n., they supported nato. this is a triumph not just for this president, but nato and the u.n. and as soon as republicans come back to their own history, the better it will be for americans and people around the world. >> congressman andrews, there was a time that foreign policy and foreign engagement was bipartisan. why this polarization? why this strictly partisan reaction now? >> basis if george w. bush had led a coalition to sanction iran

for its weapons program. if he had toppled gadhafi from power by leading an international coalition, if he had gotten osama bin laden in a covert type mission, they would have wanted to modify mt. rushmore for this guy, but the fact that barack obama did it, there's a double standard here the republicans practice. again, not, as mr. wolfe said they're not just out of the mainstream of the country, they're out of the mainstream of their own party's tradition like eisenhow eisenhower, nixon and bob dole. they're just way, way out there. >> mr. wolfe, the body location of moammar gadhafi is still not been seen. nowhere, even by going through the compound has he been cited or have we seen seen any rumors of his sighting. what does this do in terms of

this mission? can sin say there is closer? >> no, there isn't. afghanistan is unstable now. gadhafi has tremendous potential to make mischief, but this is a problem for the libyans to solve. that's important here as people look and say it's too early to say, to give the president any credit or say whether it's been successful. it's successful, because gadhafi is no longer in power. he can and probably will engage in a guerrilla type of operations behind the scenes. he will still have loyal and money for fund some of these mercenaries he's got, but if you look at the broader picture, this is for the libyans to resolve. because they were hout in front, the one argument that gadhafi had was this is all the

colonists, and that's not true, as long as the libyans resolve this for themselves, this country will stand on its own feet in its own time. it may not be as quick as we would like. >> what's the fallout in the region. is syria next? >> the president called for president assad to step down i think correctly the other day. i think this increases his leverage. nato's leverage, and i would guess, leverage that president asaid woman last much longer in syria, which i think is good news for the region and the world. >> congressman andrews and richard wolfe, thank you for your time. >> thank you. coming up, republicans have finally found a tax cut these don't like. oh, wait, it's only because president obama's the one pushing for it. and rick perry has stopped telling people to buy his book. i guess he would avoid selling

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this week democrats are launching a campaign to top republicans from raising taxes you heard me. some republicans want to raise taxes on the poor and the working class. so far at least three gop lawmakers have said they oppose

extending president obama's payroll tax cut, something he's chained as a way to boost the economy. the republicans would rather focus on lowering corporate taxes and making the bush tax cuts for the rich permanent, but more and more voters aren't buying it. just check out to see from a recent town hall with gop congressman randy holdgren. >> these cuts for the most affluent actually create jobs? >> i think clearly the evidence -- let me say this. i get back to the stimulus, which was another thing that -- [ crowd murmuring ] >> where's the evidence? that's the question. >> where is the jobs? >> good question. let's keep going. we've got three more minutes. >> no answer? no answer.

>> you've got no answer. >> that's right, congress mast, we want jobs. that's what the voters really want. today hundreds turned out in miami for the next stop on the jobs tour sponsored by the congressional black caucus. let's bring in conwoman donna edwards, democrat from maryland. congresswoman thanks for joining me. >> thank you, good to be with us, reverend al. >> what do you think about these republican priorities? >> well, they're just completely misplaced. on the one hand they say we don't want to race taxes on anyone except when it comes to raising a payroll tax, sticking american people with $1,000 bill at the end of the year, because they don't want to protect and look out for people who work for a living, but they are unapol y unapologetic when it comes to protecting tax breaks --

>> let me show this graphic. if we don't have this, with the payroll tax cut, you get a benefit of $1.28 for every dollar. with the bush tax cuts, you get only $31 cents in value for every declare. it doesn't even make mathematical sense in terms of the economic benefits to the country if you compare the tax cuts. how do they even try to stand on the floor in front of people like you and justified this in the congress? >> well, they really can't. it's why they're showing up at these town hall meetings. the america people are smart. they're outraged by this. they know when they get a tax break, working people take that money and go buy groceries, and they buy their gas and take care of that i kids. wealthy people just hold on to their money just like they're holding on to $2.5 trillion in their wealth without creating any jobs. >> to add insult to injury.

this really angered me -- i'm reading a statement by eric cantor, and i know that i shouldn't research things, because it's only going to make me get into another kind of frame of mind, but eric cantor wrote -- obama policies fueled by efforts to incite class war fare. when you are protecting loopholes for corporations, tax cuts for the rich, and saying people should not have an extension on cutting payroll tax, i mean, if that isn't their saying there should be protection for certain class and not for the working class, i don't know what is. i mean, how do we keep hearing this blame the other side for what is inadvertent will be being advocated for some of the policies they're fighting for? >> you've hit the nate on the head.

the republicans aren't just defining it, they're defining class warfare by protecting millionaires, billionaires and corporations. the reality is we need people back to work. the republicans have been in schiavo now, holding the majority since january, and haven't created any jobs in this economy. you've got to think at some point or another, they're not hearing the message from the american people. i think it's time to get on job creation, i think it's time to reward working people and stop coddling the rich, as warren buffett said. they've gotten enough. it's time for them to put back into this economy. >> if these payroll taxes are not extended, it would cost the average american worker in terms of their payment, $2,136. we're talking about real money on an annual basis. they're acting like it's nothing. as you know, many of us are mobilizing and organizing around

it. i'm not worried about weather, rain or shine, i'm marching, unemployed rain or shine, they're trying to not give you an extension rain or shine. there's no such thing as a perfect weather day for the unemployed, because every day you're unemployed, it doesn't matter what -- i'm glad to see the caucus out there, but will we see in september the democrats stand up and confront these tea partiers and right wingers in the congress? a lot of people want to see the president stand up, and i do too, but i want to see some of the congressional democrats stand up and take them on, even if you don't have the votes, you certainly have a voice. >> well, we want everyone to stand up. the president has to stand up in the white house, but we owe it to the american people to stand up in the congress. it's what we've been doing as democrats. let's separate the good from the bad here. we can't call all of congress

planned. it's that republican majority that refuses to create jobs for the american people. it's easy to do. all we have to do is say instead of giving the trillion in tax breaks to the billionaires and millionaires, what we're going to do is put that trillion to rebuilding roads and bridges, all the infrastructure that's going to the wasteland and make us competitive. i would rather give a tax break for research and development and manufacturing than a tax break for oil companies and for wealthy people who are just going to hold on to their money. >> congresswoman, i couldn't agree more. that's where we need the money and the voice. people knees to raid their voice. i'll tell you a secret. right after i was born, a doctor spanked me. i didn't understand what i had done to deserve a spanking, so i started hollering. i've been hollering ever since. >> we're all going to holler for

jobs for the american people. and we're going to do it on the streets here in washington. >> let's holler, in congress, in the streets, in the pull pits, wherever you are, we can't let them say the rich gets tax breaks and the poor can't get an extension they need, the working poor, to take care of their families. donna edwards, thank you for your time this evening. >> thank you always. rick perry was gung ho, selling his book on the campaign trail, until people looked and saw in the book what he really wants to do to the country. and the martin luther king jr. memorial will be dedicated this weekend. we'll talk about how to stay on track to fulfill his dreams. or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business -- it's good for the entire community.

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welcome back. very heard that rick perry wrote a book?

it's called "fed up." 191 pages of his deep thoughts on the state of the nation. he'll be the first to tell you how great it is. >> have you read my book "at the up"? get a copy and read it. it is, because i talk about the entitlement programs in there. >> in my book that he referenced, "feds up" thank you, sir. you can find it at barnbarne barnes & noble or amazon.com. >> but suddenly he's gone quiet and stopped pushing his book. why? because he's fed up with the heat he's getting for his radical rhetoric. check out everything he writes is unconstitutional. medicare, med cases, all bank regulation, you can see it all right there.

yeah, all unconstitutional cork to rick perry. don't even get him started about social security. he says it's a bad disease created and set up like an illegal ponzi scheme, but perry's camp says you can't judge a candidate by his book. his communications director says that "fed up" is a look back, not a path forward. one national poll has him well ahead of the rest of the pack. joining me now is james moore.

a and jonathan cape heart. jim, does rick perry want us to forget about this book? inchsz i think he's walking it back pretty well. i would call it f'd up, because the stuff he said in there, social security is a ponzi scheme, it's funny, most of it is fatuous sillyness. there's probably 20 times in there when he said why did we have states? why is there a constitution? or why is there social security? and then he follows it up with the answer is pretty simple. he never explainly explains anything. he wants to throw away almost every institution of the united states government.

>> when did he write this book? >> he didn't really write it, al. i think his ghost writers -- >> when did it come out? >> it's less than a years old, maybe a little over a years old. >> according to the book it capes out nine months ago. we're not talking about, jonathan, 10, 1520 years, like they do with those of us on the left. we're talking about less than a year ago, but that doesn't count? >> right. the fact that he can run area from a book so flu is laughable. candidates have to get used to a brand-new level of scrutiny.

i haven't read "fed up" just going by the graphic, but there's a lot for him to be accountable for there. for his campaign to say it's not a -- it's -- is trying to disavow something that's wrapped around his leg like a ball and chain. >> why is he getting support? why are the polls showing he's such a threat? why are we seeing these poll numbers? is it that he's speaking a message that a lot of republicans like? have they become that extreme? or do they not know what he's saying? >> rev, let me jump in. i'm sure jim wants to answer that, but i think it's both. i think we've see the republican party faithful are still grasping for someone, anyone who they view to be viable enough to run against president obama and

beat president obama but also they're still getting to know this guy. he may be the longest-serving governor in texas, he's been there ten years, but he profile on the national stage isn't very high. and one other point -- donald trump was leading in the polls, rising to the top of the chain there and look where he is now. >> well, let me ask you, you have studied more than most, you write in the book on governor perry. you stalk about how he done some interesting things with his donors. the "new york times" just did a story how he has helped some of thinks main donoring. an entrepreneur gave $100,000 and somehow he got a $3 million development fund from the perry

administration. another gave $15,000 to perry, and his biotech company got $1.75 million grant from the texas tech fund a lot in that "new york times" piece. tell us about the things that you feel give us a different view of him. >> if you want to give a want to be heard, about a $200,000 donation will do it. he's used these things as ways to help his pals. you make a campaign donation. and in one case an entrepreneur came before that fund, and he

had -- onit was a lot of money, but only $1,000 into his own company. he came before this fund and was warrick walking out the door with almost $3 million. >> are these funds directly under his control? directly where he would reward these people? >> that's absolutely correct. the enterprise technology fund has a board set up on a regional basis. all these people are friends of perry on the board. he has to sign off on the final awarding of the money. in one case with the texas enterprise fund, a very large mortgage company wanted to come down to texas, and they had a this should they created 500 jobs, then went bankrupt and out of business. this has been going on in rick perry's texas for the entirety of his time in office. the good news at least for him

at the mom, his book is relatively obscure. >> now, jonathan, speaking of the republican race, mr. romney has announced he is going to make a major jobs speech after labor day. as well as we know the super committee in congress will come back. does in romney really have a jobs plan? >> we're going to find out. i believe the speech is september 6th. the president is either giving hi address that week -- but not long after they come back on labor day.

to have any kind of traction it's going to have to go beyond the usual talking point. he's going to have to step out front and say specifically how he, as presidents, would get the american people back to work. the fact that he's trying to big foot the president or trying to go toe to toe with the president is a lot of political stagecrafting that -- you as someone who could be an alternative to the guy who's already in office. whether he'll be successful at that, we'll find out on the 6th. >> we will, and of course he has to get it together while he works on extending his new home out in california. when he gets through all of that maybe he'll think how to get us

jobs. james moore, jonathan capeheart, we read you, but we also have to read mr. perry's book. i think it will be interesting reading. thank you both for, y'all come back now, you hear? coming up, republicans claim they're focused on jobs, but it seems like they're focused on embarrassing the president. no, really, we have a tape. and the campaign to fulfill the dream of martin luther king. how far we have come and how much fighting we still have to do. stay with us. with the full flavor of kraft mayo with olive oil. ♪ made with half the fat and calories of hellmann's real mayo... ...kraft mayo with olive oil is the new standard in mayo. is best absorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d

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make them testify under oath. try to frankly embarrass the president and push back. >> first, the change doesn't grant amnesty since illegal immigrants won't be given a path toward citizenship, but it's interesting that he's using his position to, quote, embarrass the president, especially when he said last week that they would focus on jobs legislation. quote -- if it's not part of the jobs agenda, it's not likely to come up for consideration this fall. of course, what a difference a day makes. this was a big different message when he had to go on right-wing radio and talk, no matter what the president does, rpg don't like it, but lamar smith would rather focus on trying to embarrass the president than on creating jobs.

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leaders and faith leaders in bringing to washington. one of the most powerful leaders joins me now, lee sanders president of a union with 1.6 million members. thank you for coming on, lee. >> good evening, al. >> we're marching on saturday now around jobs. as we march, many say why are you marching? but a "the washington post" poll says that 55% of americans they poll says we have still not achieved the dream. it's still not been fulfilled. only 34% believe it has. what say you, mr. sanders? >> hi dream has not been fulfilled. if you look at what's going on around in the country as far as wisconsin and ohio, where we have governors trying to steal our voices away from us, who are trying to take away collective bargaining away from public

sector workers, to limit the ability of voters to actually participate in the democratic process, that says that something is wrong and that we have not reached the dream. dr. king died in memphis in 1968 supporting 1,300 sanitation workers who were on strike. >> members of your union, is that right? >> it was afscme. and they were not only on strike for better wages and benefits, but they were striking for dignity, striking for respect, they were striking to have their voices heard on the job. he ultimately made the supreme sacrifice, and he died supporting those striking workers, but dr. king understood the value and the importance of linking the civil rights movement, with seniors, with students, with human rights, and that's exactly what we're trying to do. we're trying to re-create and rebuild that momentum. >> well, we are going to be

joining us and randy wine garden, and many of us to re-create that. people say to me, what is accomplished by marching? marching is not to solve a problem, it's to expos a problem. if someone doesn't expos it, no one will solve it. dr. king put the inequities in everyone's face and made the nation deal with it. saturday lee saunders and all of us will come together to put joblessness and inequality back in the face of this nation, as afscme and lee saunders did with randy and others in wisconsin and other places. you cannot solved a problem in a no one is paying attention to, and no one will pay attention unless we go out there and put it out front where no one can ignore us. thank you, lee saunders. i hope that all of us remember that dr. king's dream is still before us. thank you for joining me