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apology. >> our society did these things to -- it weakened our people. >> mark arubio is trying to punch his ticket by pointing out the big three. i called him on it. this week he called me the extremist. i will unleash my response to rubio,ç and they'll let me kno if i left anything out. political reports that john boehner freaked out when the drugster called him out, and that's why he asked to move his speech. tonight, dr. james peterson on the public disrespect for the president. and the trumpster is reviewing dick cheney's new book. >> i don't like people who rat out everybody like he's doing in the book. >> daily show co-creator liz
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winstead are here to make sense of it. the golden boy on every republican's short list for vice president is is trying to raise money by attacking cable hosts here on mnsnb. it started last week as senator mark arubio had his day in the sun giving a speech at the reagan library. they outrageously claimed that the big three -- medicaid, medicare examine social security -- have weakened america. >> these programs actually weakened us as a people. you see, almost and forever, it was institutions and society that assumed the role of taking care of one another. if someone was sick in your family, you took care of them. if a neighbor met misfortune, you took care of them. you saved for your retirement and your future because you had to. but that all changed when the government assumed those responsibilities. and the government cried out
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against these who weakened our society. >> institutions? weakened americans? that comment was a-1 flat out stupid, and i take offense to it because i know what my family has been through as americans. we call him a political hack. why in the world would we do that? because he's hacking awayç at e big 3 despite some very serious facts. we pointed out 20 million more americans would live below the poverty line if social security did not exist. 45% of senior citizens would be poor, and # is mi1 is million r million floridians are using social security. the times reports out of florida, rubio's using the
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attacks to raise money for his recently-created american pac. msnbc's rachel maddow chopped up marco's words and distorted them, even weaving in mentions of marco's parents to attack him. ed schultz attacked marco's speech as psycho talk. those who are standing up for our conservative principals, these extreme liberals have pho interest in finding common sense solutions to the challenges facing our country. as americans, we have social security, we have medicare and medicaid. this e-mail went on, of course, to beg for money. your contribution for $100, $50 or even $25 will help us to send
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conservatives like marco all over the country. when we saw theç story, ed sho producers, we reached out to rubio to show up on this program tonight. his office gave a five-word response. he's not available. thanks. our producers told rubio's office the door will always be open any time, anyplace on the ed hshow, senator. you see, rubio is a political coward. he doesn't have the guts or the debates on this show, he has to hide elsewhere. he wants to basically play the victim. but i want to go back to his comments, because i want the audience of this show tonight to really consume, and i ask you to pay attention to every word in this sound bite. consume what this man says. here it is. >> these programs actually weakened us as a people. you see, almost and forever, it was institutions and society that assumed the role of taking
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care of one another. if someone was sick in your family, you took care of them. if a neighbor met miss -- misfortune, you took care of them. but all that changed when the government began to assume those responsibilities. and as the government crowded out the society who did these things traditionally and weakened our people. >> we don't save for retirement anymore because of these big 3. i want to ask you tonight to search your soul a little bit. are you in your 40s? are you in your 50s? is your mom and dad still alive? this man is suggesting that there is a generation of americans that care less about their parents because of social security, medicare and medicaid. this may be one of the most offensive things i have ever heard a united states senator say about the peopleç of this country. he is attacking the character of americans because of social
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security, medicare and medicaid which has helped this country. it's helped millions of americans. so i will share with you my story tonight. i'm sure the senator has one, and i'm sure you do sitting at home tonight. if you're in your 40s and 50s, you're probably thinking, gosh, what's going to happen to mom and dad? are we ready for all this? and it's an emotional time because everybody goes through it. my mother was an english teacher, my father was an air nautical engineer who worked for the government. they paid for social security, they collected social security. my dad had his heart reworked and medicare paid for it. he paid into that system for years. my mom and dad raised five kids. my dad died with $900 in the bank. my dad was a man of character, he was intelligent, he loved the country, he obeyed the laws and he was not dependent on anyone else because he worked his ass off throughout his entire country. and i want to tell you, mr.
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rubio, that my parents went through the depression, and my parents did the world war ii thing. my parents lived in the unselfish generation. and for you to say they were lesser americans because they were involved in social security, medicare and medicaid, you owe my family at least an apology or at least be brave enough to give an explanation on this program in front of the camera as to what the hell you're really talking about. my mother used to teach accelerated english at granby school in virginia. my mother was wonderful. i remember her staying up late grading papers, working weekends and endless record plans. i remember our aunt margaret who moved in with us when she wasç failing. senator rubio, you mean to tell me there are no families in america today that do that, that that institution and loyalty and love of country and family is
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gone because you damn republicans just can't get rid of the big 3? we had social security back then when my family did all that. my mother died of alzheimer's, and to this day i think my sister is an absolute walking saint on her way to heaven for the way she took care of her mother. she was the closest one to my mother, and i think all of our kids would have done the same thing, but suzanne set the example. rubio is so stupid, he doesn't even know he's offensive. the ironic thing is that rubio's story really isn't much different from mine. >> for me, medicare is not a political talking point. my parents came to the united states in the late 1950s. they worked hard for over 40 years to provide their children the chance to do all the things they themselves couldn't. but they never made much money. as a result, they retired with precious little in savings. medicare was, and is, the only way they could access health care. when my father got sick last
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year, medicare paid for his numerous hospital stays. and as he reached the end of his life, medicare allowed him to die with dignity by paying for his hospice care. my mother has many aging ailments. without medicare to pay for things, i can't imagine what life would be like for her. america needs medicare. we need it to continue without any benefit reductions for those like my mother currently in the system. >> so will the real marco rubio please stand up? this is the golden boy of the republican party. everyone isç talking about hims a vice presidential candidate. but when he gets a peach put in front of him and he can lean against the podium, it's a really different story, isn't it? he says rachel and i are extreme because we believe in the institutions that help make this country great? 80% of americans. what americans really want
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protect medicare examine medicame -- and medicaid. 80%. do you think that's changed much? i think it's gotten stronger since the ryan plan has come out, and they have actually voted in the house to change medicare and medicaid. i'm offended by marco rubio, examine i think we're seeing that he is not a true american because he runs from debate. senator, come to me or i will go to you. you name the time and the place. and let's sit down and have a professional conversation about what you really mean when you say that we as americans have been weakened by something that has clearly benefited our society and allowed people to live in their later years in dignity. but the tape that we just played of you is kind of contradictory of the speech you gave at the reagan library.
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no wonder you're dodging the interview. you can go across the street ndk they'll throw you softballs all day long. one thing my dad taught me -- maybe your dad taught you but it doesn't seem like it -- never run from a debate and never be afraid to speak your piece if it comes from the heart and what you speak is the truth. i'll let you broadcast before a liberal audience. i'll give you an hour to talk about it. get in the arena if you really believe the senator. get nat reas get in the arena and tell the audience on msnbc that we are a weaker nation and explain why we're a weaker nation. you're a tea partier and you don't give a damn about any of the americans because, you see, it's kind of in your makeup, senator. now, unless your bio is wrong, i don't think you got any private
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sector experience in your background. you're a government guy. you're one of these typical government guys that says, well, everybody else has to serve it up because you've got your own. my father taught me to debate and to get into the arena, and i think your dad might be ashamed of the fact that you run from the cameras after you get away from the podium because i don't think you can explain yourself. i don't think you can explain to the american people just how weak we are. how about the boys in afghanistan? their parents are on social security. they come from weak parents? how about the men and women that have lost their lives fighting terrorism in this country? are they weak because they paid into social security? hell, you're nothing but a damn political phoney, senator. i don't know how the hell you got into office. and if i could, i would work like hell to defeat you, because
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i think you are the problem. you are the problem. you attack without facts. you attack without the human connection that your party has helped us lose in this country. getç your cell phones out. i want to know what you think. tonight's question. should marco rubio defend his remarks as a guest on "the ed show"? text a for yes, b for no at 622639 and you can always go to ed.msnbc.com and we'll bring your remarks to the show. i just want to say one thing about "the ed show "n" and what dad taught me. charge. if you believe it, don't back down. if this is where you stand, it's about your integrity, your heart, your desire, your soul. that's what being an american is is all about. that's why i fight for those teachers, that's why i fight for those firefighters, that's why i fight for those law enforcement
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officials, those librarians, those workers out there who are under attack by the people like marco rubio. joining me now is former congressman alan gracen of florida. i thought i would bring the distinguished senator back because he's getting in the arena and running for office again. i just wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything tonight, that maybe he can add something about how the big 3 have made americans weaker. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks, ed. >> are we a weaker people because of social security, medicare, medicaid and these institutions that senator rubio is is talking about? >> no, but it's part of the per verse psychopathology of the right wing that they want us to believe so. what they want us to believe somehow is is that helping people is hurting people.
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if you give them a chance to see a doctor when they're sick, somehow you'reç hurting them. if you give them money when they're old and they can't work anymore, you're somehow hurting them. and it's money that was taken out of their paychecks some 30 years ago. if you give it to them, you're hurting them. the corollary to that is if you hurt people, somehow you're helping them, and that's something they need to desperately believe because they're trying to rationalize their own selfishness and the selfishness of their backers. the big rich, the people who want to take away everything we've got and chain us in debt forever and ever. that's who the real marco rubio represents, and deep down they know they're wrong. >> this is demographically the wave of new republicans on the scene. the rubios of the world, the ron pauls of the world. where are we going politically? >> they are trying to rationalize selfishness. in rubio's case, it's very easy
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to do. you're talking about somebody who spent more than $10,000 of personal expenses, put them on a corporate credit card. he ran up a $400 bill at macaroni grill and put it on the credit card. he went into a liquor store and put $60 on the republican credit card of florida. he's been on the government head all his life and he wants to stay that way. >> alan gracen, great to have you with us tonight. i appreciate your time. we will visit again. thank you. remember to answer tonight's question at the bottom of the screen. the speaker of the house disrespected the president yesterday by rejecting his request for a political speech. it's very clear who is pulling john boehner's strings, choking his chain. and could rick perry become president? his donors certainlyç hope so.
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president obama and democrats are very aware they may head into next year's elections facing dangerously high unemployment numbers. a revised economic forecast was released today and it isn't pretty. the white house expects unemployment to average 9.1 is% this year and 9% in the election year. economic growth of 1.7% is expected for 2011, down from an estimate of 2.7% back in february. the report does not forecast a double dip recession. and the details of the president's jobs plan could help revise the numbers downward. this is one reason the white house is trying to focus on the importance of next week's jobs speech. it's the speech john boehner was okay with until the real leader of the republican party told him it was bad. more on that next.
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. i guess you could say here is the story behind the story. when push comes to shove, the republican party is still being run by a guy sitting in a palm beach mansion in florida. presidential secretary jay kearney said today the white house has no interest in the fight over the timing of president obama's job speech next week. according to politico, john bearer wasn't interested in a fight over the speech, either. he okayed the wednesday evening speech yesterday morning.
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a gop source confirmed with them that they received no objection. the speech was publicly announced on white house spokesman dan pfeiffer's twitter account at 5:00 a.m. and the speaker only changed his mind after rush limbaugh beat up boehner. >> speaker boehner must say no to this request.ç he can say no to this. it's up to the speaker of the house. the president can't just say, i'm showing up. put everybody in the audience there, i'm coming over to make a speech. boehner can say no to this. you do not let this happen! this is intended not only to disrupt the reagan library debate but to make obama look bigger than the republicans, bigger than politics, and the republicans can't, if they have any hope of winning the 2012 election, are got to put this guy in his place and use this as
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their opportunity to do it. boehner has to say no. whether he will, i have no clue. >> let's bring in dr. james peterson, director of africana studies and professor of lehigh college. doctor, good to have you with us tonight. >> thanks, ed. >> rush limbaugh telling the speaker openly on american airwaves, this is what you need to do and then he does it. what do you think of that? >> there's no question the republican party has been influenced by folk like rush limbaugh, glen beck and other members of the tea party. figures like rush limbaugh who are not actual political figures but more like politically charged figures have had this kind of influence on politics maybe for too long now, but certainly in the recent past. the republican party has been hamstringed by these kinds of maneuvers. >> here's what i take out of it.
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boehner has shown no leadership. he has done nothing on yobjobs. examine now he shows no leadership and no backbone, and i think it shows he tips over when limbaugh puts a little public heat on it. what about his character, what about his leadership kills, what about his toughness? >> i don't knowç speaker boehn personally. the tea party dominating the republican party. rush limbaugh has the upper hand because of these large audiences he has. the republican party has gotten a bit mausmaller, it's more homogeneous than it ever was before, but what i think interesting is that the president put this kind of pressure on him.
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who is controlling politics right now? it's not speaker boehner. >> isn't this total control for the president? >> i think there is a record of disrespect aimed at this president and really aimed at the president see through this president. but number one what the white house or the of, trateejically thinking for us, and rush limbaugh and a rocvocal tea par controls the republicans right now. >> it's almost as if he's got to run it up the flagpole and see where everybody is and then you'll get his take on it. >> the republican parties are not too interested in creating jobs. this is also part of the disrespect, but also, let's understand what their agenda is
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is. their agenda is about cutting, their agenda is is about protecting the wealth of the rich, their agenda is sort of let the american nation run crazy over the american economy. they do not seem right now in being too deeply invested in creating jobs for working class folk. >> he definitely pulls a lot of punch with folks, no doubt about it. >> no doubt about it. >> "the ed show" is going on the road again. details ahead. i told you about ohio. michelle bachmann has gone so far to the right, she's left george w. bush in the dust. she's in the zone tonight. stay with us.
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get ready, ohio, "the ed show" is coming to your state where you see that assault on state workers. we're doing two town halls. the first will be in toledo on september 14 at a location yet to be determined. a second will be in columbus, ohio on the 15th. the following night we are honored to accept the invitation of the columbus firefighters union and they will join us for that show. how do you get a job at period of timethe perry administration? you write him a check. the standoff between rush limbaugh and john boehner isn't over until we weigh in.
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welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. everything is bigger in texas, including the amount of cachay politician can rake in. the lone star state doesn't limit the amount of money you can give to a local politico. good news for rick perry. he's rakd in more cash than any texas governor, and we reported on this program that rick perry has gotten a lot of help from a network of rich texans who want to see him win the white house. why? because if he's president perry is anything like being governor perry, those local texans will likely get some texas sized perks. 30% from his top 50 donors received some perk including grants, contracts and appointments. roughly 1 in 3 of the top perry donors had business interests
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that secured grants, tax subsidies or project approvals under his administration. pretty clear, isn't it? here's an example. perry's number 2 donor got to build a natural waste facility in the state of texas. the texas environmental commission objected to the facility. they were overruled, my friends, by çperry's political appointe. a perry spokesman says it's all in the public's interest. according to the latest fox news poll, the public, well, at least the right wing is very interested in this guy. the texas governor is the top pick among republican primary voters to take on president obama. he leads unemployed father of five mitt romney by eight points, and if you needed further proof of perry's hurting bachmann's chances at winning the nomination, just look at
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this. she's at 4%. ouch. joining me now is jim moore. he's a huffington post contribute tore and author of the book "why rick perry will make america miss george w. bush." thanks for your time tonight, mr. moore. the closer we look, the dirtier it gets, it seems like. this guy is all about favors. do you think he would be that kind of president as well? >> oh, it's going to be on a grand international global scale when he becomes president. you mentioned the nuclear waste in west texas. that is being built by a guy named harold simmons who is one of his largest contributors. it's in a little town outside of sundown. it's in andrews county in west texas. the community has been torn up about this because the energy industry has ghana wone away, b simmons came along and pushed it with the legislature. you also mentioned the
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commission on environmental quality, three of those people resigned when this was approved because there is an aquifer out there which supplies water to the city of el paso and a number of farmers and ranchersç and pecan growers out there. everybody is afraid of this, but the issue is, does rick perry make money off this deal? does he get political support and money for his campaign and do his supporters make money? the answer is yes, so so much for that little town. >> what about his background? he seems to be clearing the air on a number of issues. perry told a group of evangelicals, quote, i can assure you that there is nothing in my life that will embarrass you if you decide to support me for president. why was it necessary for him to make a statement like that toie van ye van jell cals? g >> that was a two-pronged question. are there policy issues we should be worried about that will be contradictory to what
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you're saying now? yes, he's been making a big right-hand turn ever since he got here, he started turning right. another thing is about his personal life. rumors have been floating in this city for so long and got so bad back in 2004 that the governor approached a local newspaper and asked them to write a story about it skpchlt these rumors have to do with his personal life. the rumor everybody in the city had heard was that he was on the verge of getting a divorce, that his wife was going to file divorce papers. the details are sketchy, but it reached a point where he was so concerned about it that he went to the newspaper and asked them to write a story about it, which is an unusual precedent. and that was the other piece of that question that they asked. and the truth is, this town right now, ed, is crawling with reporters from all over the country trying to get proof that he has had questionable behavior in the past in his personal life. >> well, he's trying to clear the beach. i mean, he's very clear. i can assure you that there is nothing in my life that will embarrass you.
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i mean, it'sç a very definitiv very defined statement. it's unequivocal. and saying it to evangelicals, they would take him at his word right there, but if there were something, they would leave him like a hot rock, i would imagine. >> i think what happens is if somebody comes out and makes an allegation that they are going to be shouted down. you got to remember the money that is now moving away, ed, from michelle bachmann that was with her early and is moving toward rick, and you have to remember all the people that are investing themselves in this guy. it's too late for them to turn that train around. so if somebody comes out and makes this kind of allegation, their lives are going to be fundamentally destroyed. they're going to have to really, really be a strong individual to make this kind of claim. >> and finally, i want to ask you, could his bubble burst if he does not play well, so to speak, in the first debate that he's going to partake in, which is going to be on msnbc on
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september 7? this will be the first time he'll be on the grand stage with the other competitors. how is he going to do? >> well, i've seen him in a number of debates down here with a number of people on stage, and he's done very well. i mean, you can, in fact, be a bit of a dilitante on debates, especially when there is a number of people on the diets and a number of people sitting there. there will be so many people that it will be easy to do a 30-second sound bite and move on. rick is pretty disciplined when it comes to giving his message. i think he'll do okay. he could stumble, but the venue and so many people will make it to his advantage. >> you don't think there will be any political self-inflicted wound. he protects himself pretty well in a debate, that's what i'm hearing. >> he has historically done that very well. he has a great deal of confidence. remember, this guy has been in public life, ed, for 26 çyears. he's never lost an election, he's done very well. he could stub his toe, but i
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think the bigger issue for him in this debate on msnbc is going to be the fact that everybody there is attacking him. how he handles that will be the big question. >> huffington post contribute tore jim moore. great to have you with us. great insight. michelle bachmann is taking drill, baby, drill to great extremes. she's open to drilling for oil in the florida everglades and says anyone who is trying to stop her is radical? bachmann, this is why you're at 4% and that's why you're in the zone. well, as children acro
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america head back to school, i want to show you the republican idea of public education. in wisconsin, governor scott walker's union busting bill is driving teachers from the classroom. here areç the numbers. almost 5,000 public school employees have retired so far this year, twice as many as usual. teachers are choosing to retire early instead of taking what amounts to a pay cut because of
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walkers' legislation, and it's hurting the kids. for example, in the city of boyd, wisconsin, that city lost 60 educators this year, 10% of its teaching force. the district has only replaced 40 of those educators. which means bigger class sizes and less experienced teachers. meanwhile, down in texas, rick perry's 2011 budget goes into effect today. it slashes $4 billion from school funding and cuts $1.4 billion in education grants. 49,000 school employees may lose their jobs within a year. that's a football stadium, folks, if you can visualize it. they're accusing perry of starving public education in our state. the group also says, when it comes to public education, rick perry is all hair and no cattle. don't be fooled by the republican talk about saving money. what they are doing is
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michele bachmann. she has no limits when it comes to drill, baby, drill. bachmann announced she was open to drilling for oil in the florida everglades. she said, the united states needs to be less dependent on foreign sources of energy and more dependent upon american resour resourcefulness. whether that is in the everglades or whether this is in the eastern gulf region or whether that's in north dakota, we need to go where the energy is. i didn't do that for the full quote because i didn't think you could take it. i know i couldn't. bachmann doubled down on those remarks and blamed
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environmentalists for getting in the way. >> the radical environmentalists put up one roadblock after another to accessing natural energy. >> and he think his buddy michele just took it too far. >> i think michele bachmann said something yesterday totally incredible about the florida everglades, on i'll straighten her out. george w. bush is also against drilling in ther glad everglade. so was his brother, remember him? the oil would only last in the united states for two days? but i don't think michele bachmann is is thinking about the bigger picture. listen to this. a company called collier resources has been drilling out
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on a chunk of unprotected land in the everglades since the 1940s. they're still going strong and looking to expand. and guess what? the collier family, dog gone it, they've donated $10,000 to bachmann's presidential campaign. thp is either an amazing coincidence or some psychofinancing, right? and for michele bachmann to call people who opposed drilling in the everglades radical environmentalists is radical psycho talk. republican leaders really went out of their way to look bad this week, didn't they? boehner, perry, limbaugh. stay with us. ♪
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and finally tonight, the leaders of the republican party have been really in overdrive this week, haven't they? like house majority leader eric cantor is still trying to wiggle out of his demand that a disaster league must be cut by spending cuts. his spokesman said, people and families affected by these disasters will clearly get
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what's needed from the federal government. the goal should be to find ways to way for what is needed or to find offsets whenever possible, that is the responsible thing to do. then there's the republican that would like to stay ignorant, dick cheney. >> i didn't like cheney when he was a vice president, i don't like him now and i don't like people who rat out everybody like he's doing in the book. here's a guy that did a rotten job as vice president, nobody liked him, tremendous advice of this, and he's going to make a lot of money off the book. i won't be reading it. >> but nothing this week matches speaker of the house john boehner, his disrespect for the president of the united çstate it's obvious and it's ugly. let's bring in co-creator liz winston and mike papantonio, host of his own radio show. we have to start with jamie.
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i am agreeing with something donald trump said. mike, do you believe that for once in his life, trump is sincere when he says something like that? >> trump goes with the way the wind blows and you can usually tell which way that is by the direction of his hair. these are guys that are always looking for redemption in the last part of their lives. they always want redemption, almost a forgiveness for the life they've lived. my advice to them, go see a priest and give your confessions rather than writing a damn book that's going to bore all of us and basically lead us down this primrose path about who these people are. >> when you live in a bizarre world of no regrets, here's one rekbrgret dick cheney should ha his comb-over from the reagan administration. like you said, mike, what's weird for normal people at the end of their life, they spend
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more time with their grandkids, they are philanthropic, they might give their extra money to charity. not these narcissists, they're just crazy, crazy, crazy out there thumping around. "i have nothing to regret." a friend of mine tweeted today it's torture unless both people enjoy doing it. >> and condi rice said she didn't like her integrity being attacked. >> cheney attacked just about everybody, and he really had to, because honestly, if you noticed, he really never told any stories. he never told the storiesç we wanted to know like how much did haliburton make after they engaged us in a war that cost 500,000 american lives or lives in afghanistan? what are you talking about with that duck blind supreme court judge? what did you say to that judge when you had that judge rule for
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you that was clearly no precedent at all, when he covered up what happened between closed doors when he met with the energy industry? there are a lot of questions we'd like answered they never even touched in that book. honestly, this was a book looking for forgiveness and redemption, and again, the guy needs to see a priest, not a book publisher. >> you know what we did learn this week, a lot of creepy men are obsessed with condi. >> muammar gadhafi, maybe jamie is obsessed or something, but that's a strange pair. we've got speaker boehner listening to rush limbaugh saying, you can't let the president come over and address the joint session of the congress. mike, this is a first. what does it say about boehner? >> what it says is nobody is in charge. back in my day at the university of florida, the best parties we had on campus was at a fraternity house where nobody was in charge. there was no leadership structure, there was no supervision by adults, the parties were fun, but you always
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knew there was this blue kind of john be lush i character who was going to burn the damn house down. that's what's going on with the gop. right now there is no adult supervision, so you have people like cantor, this oddballman child, you have people like boehner who are always delivering a message that the republicans haven't really agreed to, it's sua sponte. it's like what can i say today, and then the next day they're having to play catch-up and apologizing. that happens when you don't have adultç supervision. this is a party that is in a cold, cold chill right now and they've got a long way to pull themselves out of it without leadership. >> it also, i think, terrifies boehner, because what would have happened if the president spoke and then they went to that debate and boehner said, the president just spoke, what do you think about his jobs plan, and that big mob-a-thon would
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have to answer, and they can't think on their feet because they don't have a plan. that would have been beautiful tv. >> liz winston, mike papantonio, thank you for being here. i asked you, should marco ruby rubio defend his remarks? 95% of you said yes, 5% said no. free clinics saw over 1,000 patients. we're learning more about the people they helped. five patients were diagnosed with cancer. they didn't know they had it. 27 women had lumps in their breasts that needed further diagnosis. one person found out that they had hiv. one person had a heart attack and was sent to the emergency room, and over 900 scripts for
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