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welcome to "the ed show" from new york. big speech. i hope senator jim demint liked it. the president has thrown down the gauntlet to republicans. pass the american jobs act. this is "the ed show." let's get to work. >> this plan is the right thing to do right now. you should pass it. and i intend to take that message to every corner of this country. >> the president went big and republicans went into hiding. tonight, vermont senator bernie sanders on the size of the president's plan. we'll get reaction from labor, from the progressive caucus, from the progressional black caucus, and the politics of it all with bob sh rum. ring of fire radio host mike papantonio and liz win stead. and we will go back to the scene of the crime. rick perry tossed out the red

meat on social security. today, the republican basis eating it up. >> i want to applaud perry for hanging in and sticking with it. >> great to have you with us, folks. tremendous determination shown by the president to engage the congress tonight. i loved it. with a backdrop of 9.1% unemployment and completely dysfunctional congress, once again, the president's out there trying to get it done. he laid out his american jobs act. the president put a clear semi detailed package on the table and challenged the republicans to get in the game, to help america out, create jobs. president obama said there should be nothing controversial about his plan. >> there should be nothing commercial about this piece of legislation. everything in here is the kind of proposal that's been

supported by both democrats and republicans, including many who sit here tonight. and everything in this bill will be paid for, everything. [ applause ] the purpose of the american jobs act is simple. to put more people back to work and more money in the pockets of those that are working. >> everything will be paid for? that means cuts are on the way. we'll get to that in a moment. republicans so far refused to spend a dime to create american jobs. president obama told them how he plans to pay for his $447 billion package. >> here's the other thing i want the american people to know. the american jobs act will not add to the deficit, it will be paid for. and here's how. the agreement we passed in july will cut government spending by about a trillion in the next ten

years. it also charges this congress to come up with an additional 1.5 trillion in savings by christmas. tonight, i am asking you to increase that amount so it covers the full cost of the american jobs act, and a week from monday, i'm be releasing a more ambitious deficit plan, a plan that will not only cover the cost of this jobs bill but stabilize our debt in the long run. >> next up, how does this play with the base? president obama told democrats to basically bite the bullet on medicare and medicaid, and told republicans rich people need to pay their fair share and sacrifice. >> i realize there are some in my party that don't think we should make any changes at all to medicare and medicaid, and i understand their concerns. but here's the truth. millions of americans rely on

medicare in their retirement, and millions more will do so in the future. they pay for this benefit during their working years. they earn it. but it an aging population and rising healthcare costs, we are spending too fast to sustain the program, and if we don't gradually reform the system, while protecting current beneficiaries, it won't be there when future retirees need it. we have to reform medicare to strengthen it. [ applause ] i am also well aware that there are many republicans that don't believe we should raise taxes on those that are most fortunate and can best afford it. but here's what every american knows. while most people in this country struggle to make ends meet, a few of the most affluent citizens and most profitable

corporations enjoy tax breaks and loopholes nobody else gets. >> got to admit, medicare is a tough sell to the democrats, so is the president's plan to cut corporate tax rates. >> i'll offer ideas to have a corporate tax goal that stands as monument to special influence in washington by eliminating pages of loopholes and deductions, we can loafer one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world. >> and the president said this bill is about priorities. >> should we keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires or put teachers back to work and help kids graduate ready to work with good jobs. right now, we can't afford to do both. this isn't political grand standing. this isn't class warfare, this is simple math. this is simple math. these are real choices. these are real choices that

we've got to make, and i'm pretty sure i know what most americans would choose. it's not even close. and it's time for us to do what's right for our future. >> and president obama warned congress he will not stand for the repeal of the healthcare bill, dodd-frank, and other consumer protections. the president also drew a line in the sand which no president has ever done before on collective bargaining. >> i reject the idea we need to ask people to choose between their jobs and their safety. i reject the argument that says for the economy to grow, we have to roll back protections that ban hidden fees by credit card companies. rules that keep our kids from being exposed to mercury, laws that prevent the health insurance industry from shortchanging patients.

i reject the idea we have to strip collective bargaining rights to compete in a global economy. >> a great response and deservedly so. this is the first time a president on national television said anything like that about collective bargaining. the president called for the order from the american people. >> what's guided us from the start of this crisis hasn't been the search for a silver bullet, it's been a commitment to stay at it, to be persistent, to keep trying every new idea that works, and listen to every good proposal, no matter which party comes up with it. regardless of the arguments we've had in the past, regardless of the arguments we will have in the future, this plan is the right thing to do right now. you should pass it. and i intend to take that

message to every corner of this country. >> so what is the president saying tonight with that statement? look, it's me versus you if we don't get this done. he's ready to go on the campaign trail. he feels like he has the wind in his back, the american people are out there polling saying they want 80% of congress replaced. the president could not have been more determined tonight and more to the point about what the priorities of this country need to be at this time. you want to be a party member or do you want to be an american? that's what i got from the president. get your cell phones out. tonight's question. will republicans put country over politics and support the jobs will? text a for yes, b for no to 622-639. you can go to the blog, put a comment at ed.msnbc.com. we have the results later in the

show. joining me now, vermont senator bernie senator, independent. good to have you with us tonight. you have been undoubtedly a force when it comes for working families, sticking up for what they've got to hold onto in this country. are you a little nervous about the president tonight talking about americans having to serve it up for medicare and medicaid? >> the devil is going to be in the details. the question is what kind of reforms the president is talking about. if, for example, in terms of medicare, we begin negotiating prescription drug prices with the pharmaceutical industry, we can save billions and billions of dollars. ed, that's a good reform. if he means by that raising the eligibility age to get medicare from 65 to 67, that's a bad reform. when you talk about healthcare, we can never forget that our nation spends almost twice as much per person on healthcare as any other nation does. so we can make a lot of reforms

to make our system more cost effective. it shouldn't mean throwing people off medicare or raising the eligibility age for medicare. >> senator, it's all about the money, isn't it? $447 billion that's going to be paid for, that means more cuts are on the way. yet i didn't hear the president tonight say anything about iraq the rate from 35 to 25, although he did not throw out a specific number but he talked about reduction, on the hope he can close some loopholes which republicans have been against all along. so which is it? what can he get? what will congress go along with? >> i tell you nobody knows the answer now, but this is what i did like. he said he was going to get out and talk to the american people. demand the american people to pressure congress to address the horrendous jobs crisis that we currently face, and if he does that and does it well, we can turn this thing around, put the republicans for a change on the defensive. we got 16% of our people are unemployed, underemployed. we need a major jobs program and need it now. >> all right. do you think he will get any help quickly. mr. boehner tonight said it has some merit, it was not the hostile response in which we are

used to from republicans. is there a ray of hope here? >> i think there is. if the american people stand up and say no more tax breaks for the rich, let's rebuild america, let's create the jobs we need, we can pin this thing. let's turn to bob shrum. the president says he is going on the road and take it to the american people. the first stop is in virginia and ohio to sell it in the backyard of cantor and boehner. that's pretty political, isn't it? >> i think he took it to the country. this was a speech not to congress really but to the country. it was passionate, eloquent. somebody scrubbed the washington out telephone. you didn't hear a lot of technical language, people could understand it, and i think the

president showed the country that he was the one out there that was going to fight for the middle class, fight for jobs, fight for ordinary, hard working, out of work americans. did you watch john boehner during the speech? the tan seemed to fade as it went on. they thought the president was going to underdeliver. he raised expectations very high. he delivered. >> he gave the republicans a lot tonight, bob. he told them it was going to be paid for, and it is 447 billion. that's music to the republicans' ears. they have been talking spending cuts all along, also the corporate tax rate, he wants to drop that. wasn't it a good night for republicans? >> i don't think it was a good night for republicans at all. they are now sitting there, they must have polling data saying they have taken on some real water because of what happened

in the debt ceiling fight, and they're afraid they're going to get blamed if the country figures out and may be figuring it out if they see economic ruin as the road to recovery. on the corporate tax did you ever, we ought to wait for the details. my guess is in the end, you will have lowering of the rate and closing of loopholes in one package that won't be passed separately. as a result of that, corporations are going to pay more in taxes and that's going to help pay for this bill. >> in theory, they hope it will if they can close loopholes. if the republicans don't go along with loopholes, you won't have a deal. >> the rates won't go down and the corporations will be unhappy with the republicans. >> what do you make of the president saying i intend to take this message to every corner of the country. is he flat out saying look, we

either do this deal or it is you versus me and i am ready to run against you? >> i think that's what he is saying. all along the white house said this is not a referendum, republicans want it to be a referendum. are you unhappy, do you think the economy is in trouble, vote against obama. this president will make it a choice. he sounded like harry truman. >> he was forceful. >> energy, lots of energy. he was really forceful. you could see the discomfort on the faces of some of the republicans. they didn't want to applaud, but there were times they had to get up and do it, and you could almost sensory leaf among the democrats, the barack obama of 2008 was back and had taken command of the bully pulpit. >> great to have you here. remember to answer the question at the bottom of the screen. want to know what you think. the president spoke passionately about the unemployed tonight. up next, i'll talk with members of congress that spent the summer talking directly to jobless americans. what did this speech mean for them? and rick perry says social security is a ponzi scheme, it's red meat for the far right. now the far right is hungry for more. jim moore will be here to talk real cranberries and cranberry citrus oat... crispy whole grain. newtons fruit thins, one unique cookie.

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teachers, veterans, the unemployed unemployed, help for small businesses. the president covered a lot of ground and defended collective bargaining rights like we've never heard before. we will get reaction from organized labor later in the show, and i'll talk to a school teacher who was invited by the white house, by the president, to go to the speech tonight. but up next, the congressional black caucus held job fairs across the country this summer. three prominent caucus members joined me with their thoughts on the president's speech. my doctor's again ordered me to ik , nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. ♪

the people of this country work hard to meet their responsibilities. the question tonight is whether we'll meet ours. the question is whether in the

face of an on-going national crisis, we can stop the political circus and actually do something to help the economy. >> there are about, well, 14 million out of work americans who need an answer to that question tonight. in tonight's speech, it may have offered solutions, but will congress act on them any time soon? i'm joined tonight by members of the congressional black caucus, and that is congresswoman donna edwards of maryland, keith ellison of minnesota. great to have all of you with us. congressman cleaver, let's talk about the jobs fair you folks have been going to all summer long. did you hear the president get the message did he reach the american people on the jobs issue? >> there's no question about it. we went all over this country. we drew attention to lack of jobs by americans. there's no question about what

happened this summer. we drew or attracted the attention of the president and of this nation for that matter, so i am very satisfied with the direction the president is moving. i think that this is a jolt to a jit jiter ee unemployment situation and jiter ee, sometimes uneasy economy, and the president stepped up to the plate and did it in a very strong way. >> congresswoman edwards, the congressional black caucus at times has been rather critical of president obama for not going far enough. he did mention black unemployment tonight, the youth of america that's struggling in many respects. does this bill have a chance? do you think it will ring with republicans and get them in gear, get them into action? >> well, i always thought the president didn't have to throw a hail mary pass, but he needed to go long and he did that.

what he said to the american people, for those of you that are long term unemployed, we need to focus our energies on you, we need to invest in research and development and innovation and manufacturing. that's about job creation. looking at our nation's crumbling infrastructure, that's about job creation. i actually feel like the president spoke to the american people. all sectors of the american public. but particularly those that are among african-american communities among some of the highest unemployed. >> congressman ellison, there's no question about it that the president offered up some caveats to the republicans tonight, reducing the corporate tax rate, telling the base that they have to take a haircut on medicare and medicaid. how is this going to play in the middle of the country, and do you think americans that have

been hit so hard in the middle class are willing to go even farther? >> i really like the speech tonight, and it did reflect what we in the progressive caucus heard all summer as well. those undermined what i think was a great speech. they close corporate loopholes, asking the military to do more to get americans back to work, to say we have to take it out of medicare and medicaid i thought was unfortunate. i don't think it will play well. at the same time, he started a national debate. i think it is important to reform medicare by allowing medicare part d to negotiate for drug prices, which is something that the va does now. perhaps there are some savings there. >> what did you hear that really impressed you, congressman cleaver, when it comes to putting americans back to work? the word infrastructure was not in the speech tonight.

but there was a lot of talk about redoing schools, 35,000 schools, making sure veterans had an opportunity to get a job when they came home, what about all of that? what did you hear? what was most appealing when it came to creating jobs. >> the president was very targeted in his method of addressing unemployment. he targeted veterans coming home from iraq and afghanistan, saying in this bill there would be tax breaks for corporations that hired them. he targeted young people. summer jobs. he targeted the long term unemployed. he targeted small businesses and people who are in desperate need for a little more money. >> do you think he felt pressure from your caucus, congressman cleaver? i mean, do you think he felt i got to step up, say something strong tonight to the african-american community in this country? >> well, i think he obviously

heard what we were doing and saying, but he stepped up to the plate, but didn't do it in a nasty way. he understands clearly that he can't -- he's going to have difficulty getting things across in a cross way, so he did it in a very pleasant way, but he was tough and i liked that. >> there was no mention of the wars tonight, and if you want to go to the money and if you want to find spending cuts, there's no better place than iraq and afghanistan. congresswoman edwards, what do you make of that? >> well, i mean, i agree with you, but i do think it is going to be incumbent on congress to be focused on how we actually move a jobs package forward. i mean, what the president was saying to us tonight is i'm going to layout these ideas, and congress, you have to act on them. one of the ways we can act on them i'm sure we can agree, one

of the ways to act on them is getting ourselves disengaged from iraq and from afghanistan. that clearly has, in my view, has to be part of the picture. what i like that i heard from the president is that he's saying he's going to go around the country and fight for this. we need the president to fight for this package so we can do our jobs in the united states congress. talk to republicans frankly about some of the republican ideas that will help move the country forward. and it should be bipartisan, always has been, to rebuild our roads, bridges and all our infrastructure. >> and congressman ellison, do you feel confident that this might be a new beginning with john boehner, with a conciliatory statement he released after the speech tonight? is this possibly a new day dawning and the republicans are actually willing to do something

in the next window of 14 months before the election? >> ed, i'm an eternal opt mist. i believe there is a way to do this. we need the american people as donna pointed out. but look, some of these ideas were brought from both sides of the aisle. there's absolutely no reason for them to project out of hand and so far they haven't done so. at this point we're just going to push hard, hope for the best from the other side of the aisle. >> appreciate all three of you joining us tonight on the program. i must say that i think the president knocked it out of the park tonight. he had the right tone, said all the right things, hit all the right bases and challenged the republicans. but give it a few days. i don't think the republicans are going to do anything. their stated goal is to defeat this president. i hope this is the last olive branch, and i hope the president does go out on the road and take it to the people, run against this congress. i don't trust the republicans. congressman cleaver, ellison, edwards, thank you for being here tonight. we'll look at weather the president said what he needed to say to the workers of america. the president of the communication workers of america will join me next, and we'll talk to one of the president's guests at the speech tonight. a third grade teacher from the state of ohio. you see her job is on the chopping block, after her state's governor, john kasich, slashed education budgets. stay with us. what makes the

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welcome back to "the ed show." a big discussion all this year about wage earners and rights in the news this season. tonight, president obama stood up for collective bargaining and was unequivocal. >> i reject the idea we have to strip away collective bargaining rights to compete in a global economy. [ applause ] >> the president also pushed for new construction across the country, which is vitally needed and would provide a major boost to unemployment. >> the idea for a big boost in construction is supported by america's largest business organization, and america's largest labor organization. it's the kind of proposal that's been supported in the past by democrats and republicans alike. you should pass it right away.

>> and the president called for the passage of trade agreements, saying they would help american companies sell their products and would help workers whose jobs have been effected by global competition. that's a big story. let's bring in the president of the communication workers of america, larry cohen. good to have you with us. >> great to be here. >> let's be very clear on the trade agreements. in totality, where is organized labor on the trade agreements sitting on the table right now? >> in totality, we don't like them. i mean, to compete in the global economy, we do need some industrial policy, need to put american jobs first. as the president told us tonight. and we wouldn't start with those trade agreements, those are bush trade agreements. but i think the president tonight as you said hit it out of the park. he focused on jobs. that's what american workers, whether union members or not, want to hear, and he talked about construction jobs, he talked about infrastructure, including high speed broadband

and most importantly as you said, he talked about bringing back collective bargaining rights. we have been in a race, we need to turn it around. he said i'm there with you. i think for us it's about movement building. we have to take what he said, as you just played it a minute ago, and we have to be out there in the streets and fighting back. we have to be energizing our members who say okay, it is up to us now. he started this much, where are we taking it. >> he gave you a line tonight. he said i reject the idea we have to strip away collective bargaining rights to compete in a global economy. that's one sentence, and no president has ever gone on national television and been so direct about organized labor. is that enough to do all the motivating that's going to be needed to be done after what you heard in the debate from perry the other night? >> not enough at all, but we have to take that, similar when president roosevelt said if i was a worker, first thing i would do is join a union.

we have to build that movement and take it up, say to republicans as late as presidency of gerald ford, he signed extension of collective bargaining rights in this country, and majority of the republicans in that congress voted for it. this extended bargaining rights to healthcare workers. what's happened to them, where did they get lost along the way? why is a private sector function like bargaining rights bm a four letter word for almost every republican in congress. >> the president says he is now with you on collective bargaining. but on the key issue of trade agreements, it sounds like he wants them passed. and the word infrastructure pointed out by a number of media people on this network, chuck todd said the word infrastructure wasn't in the speech, but a lot of references to jobs and projects and what not. another word not in there was outsourcing, and i almost felt if there was one criticism of this speech tonight, it would be

the president didn't take outsourcing head on and say damn it, keep these jobs in america. he talked american made and american products but didn't take it to the corporations, did he? >> no, and part of that we need to look to leadership in the private sector, workers, our movement, and corporations. when at&t says two weeks ago, we will bring back 5,000 call center jobs, we need to take that up. okay, ge, what are you ready to do. ibm, are you going to stop taking every job out of the country. you're right, off shoring has to come behind the speech, lots of things to follow. but we got off to a good start tonight. >> off to a good start. you don't feel like organized labor walks away disappointed after listening to the speech, he is your guy and you'll work hard for him? >> yep, we're going to build from here in the streets and at the ballot box. >> larry cohen, communication workers of america. appreciate it. next, texas governor rick

perry isn't backing off his claim that social security is a ponzi scheme. next, jim moore provides the perry analysis. president obama and governor rick perry have big nights back to back, and it may be a preview of what we'll see if they ever go face to face. liz winstead and mike pap antonio will give commentary on that. and leave your phone in your purse, i don't want you texting. its pro-v formula captures the potential of cassia to make weak, brittle hair up to 10x stronger. and now it comes in pantene's new bottle. made from up to 59% plant-based material. ♪ healthier hair... healthier planet. one small step at a time. [ female announcer ] nature fusion from pantene. hair so healthy it shines.

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ponzi scheme. in fact, it's catching fire. and sure enough, rush limbaugh, fox news, they are the cheerleaders and they're eating it up. >> i want to applaud perry for hanging in, sticking with it. he wrote the book, fed up, has the description in the book of social security as a ponzi scheme. how can it not be a ponzi scheme? >> social security, this notion of a ponzi scheme. a lot of people do believe it is a ponzi scheme. >> his point of it being a ponzi scheme. >> it is a ponzi scheme. >> you can't disagree it is a ponzi scheme. it is a ponzi scheme. >> the perry army is building in the media. joining me now, jim moore, author of the forthcoming book and we found out why rick perry will make america miss george w. bush. great title, almost like you knew what the debate would be. he has limbaugh on his side, fox news and the koch brothers.

what else does he need to take down the romney camp, mr. moore? >> i don't think he needs much. remember that thing about the ponzi scheme, he prefaced it by saying people my age in their 60s don't have to worry about anything. that was a message to florida, that was a message to seniors, look, i know you've got coming to you what you deserve, but his whole approach on this ponzi scheme thing is an appeal to young voters to say hey, i'm going to bat for you, i'm going to make sure what you're paying into comes back to you. he's going to have to have young voters in a general election to win. that's who he was talking to with this thing. remember also in his book, he said there's no way constitutional this should exist. he went a little too far suggesting social security should go away. >> romney camp jumped over the ponzi scheme comment and also

made the case that you can't get ready of social security. you are totally accurate, and i believe i was, too, in saying he never said he wanted to get rid of it, he wants to transform it, and he wants to make sure it is going to work for the next generation, that's how he's talking to the young voters. bottom line is did romney make a mistake because he, too, was for privatization of social security back in 2007 when bush tried to do it, and this man is on record. yet he's trying to pin it on perry as if he's some kind of extremist. what do you make of all that? >> well, mitt romney's big mistake last night in addition to what you described in social security was trying to run a general election campaign. he was messaging to the general election as if he already had the nomination in hand. he was talking to people in

pennsylvania in the midwest, and rick perry is still talking to people in the primary process, and mitt romney is going to continue to have trouble in the south because of his religion and because of the positions you described. rick is not worried now about the general election beyond this notion that he does want to privatize social security. and people who are thinking about voting for him because of that need to remember that if he becomes president, he's going to give a portion of that to wall street and allow them to manage that account. >> and they've got to love that. it was corporate meat for rick perry i think. quickly scale of one to ten, how much better will perry be in the next debate? >> he gets better all the time. rick is one of those guys, you saw last night, ed, he stayed very much on message. he went from every question to say less government, less taxes, free up the american people. you will hear more and more of that. and it is going to get old.

>> with the times you have been on the show, you gave us the debate before we watched it. you definitely know the guy. jim, good to have you with us. >> thank you. coming up, republican governors like john kasich spent too much balancing the budgets on the backs of middle class folks, firefighters and teachers. one cleveland teacher who is about to lose her job was in the room for the president's speech and joins me next. stay with us. me too. you booked ♪ [ male announcer ] unlike some car companies, nissan is running at 100%, which means the most innovative cars are also the most available cars. nissan. innovation for today. innovation for all. ♪ it's schwab at your fingertips wherever, whenever you want. one log in lets you monitor all of your balances and transfer between accounts, so your money can move as fast as you do. check out your portfolio, track the market with live updates. and execute trades anywhere and anytime the inspiration hits you. even deposit checks right from your phone.

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pass this jobs bill and thousands of teachers in every state will go back to work. these are the men and women charged with preparing our children for a world where the competition has never been tougher. but while they're adding teachers in places like south korea, we're laying them off in droves. it's unfair to our kids, it undermines their future and ours. and it has to stop. pass this bill. and put our teachers back in the classroom where they belong.

>> ohio governor john kasich is causing teachers to be laid off in droves as the president said. kasich's 2011 budget cut education funding by 11.5%. as a result, an estimated 10,000 ohio teachers could end up losing their jobs. the president invited one of the teachers to sit near the first lady in the house chamber tonight as he delivered his jobs speech. she joins us tonight. nicole gentile, a third grade teacher from cleveland, ohio. nicole, thanks for your time tonight. that sound byte we played of president obama, did you feel like you still had hope to keep your job because you're set to be laid off in october. how do you feel? >> it made me very optimistic. i just really hope this job bill goes through fast. we need to get our teachers back into the classrooms and working with the children. >> who do you blame for your job

being in jeopardy and your colleagues? >> you know what, i think there's a lot of finger pointing going on. i think what we need to do is put -- get the people that are actually in office to do the job that we put them there to do, start working for us and stop working against us. >> do you think the president was strong on that message tonight? >> i feel that he was, yes. >> what about senate bill 5 in ohio? your thoughts on that. does it effect you, and how do you think it will unfold on the recall of that bill? >> i am very confident sb 5 is now issue 2, and i am confident we will get that bill voted down, and i loved what the president said about stop stripping away collective bargaining rights, stripping away collective bargaining rights is not the answer. >> the president will be in ohio on tuesday. what do you think he's going to

hear from the people of that state? >> i think he's going to hear exactly what i just said. stop, get our governor, governor kasich, to stop worrying about collective bargaining rights, start working with us, stop working against us, and get our teachers back in classrooms where they belong. >> nicole gentile, when you found out you were going to be in the chamber tonight, what was that like? i've been there, it is pretty exciting to see it all unfold. how did you feel about it tonight? >> it has been one of the most exciting days of my life. it's been fantastic. it was an honor to meet the president and the first lady. >> first time you're there, kind of cool to see everybody in person, isn't it? >> it is. when we were done, we got to see hillary clinton walk right by us. that was cool. >> there you go. nicole, thanks for joining us. keep up the fight. i hope it all works out for you, i hope they pass this bill, get something done. we haven't heard the last on president obama and rick perry until liz winstead and mike papantonio have their say. we love giving them that opportunity.

that's next on "the ed show."

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mike papantonio and liz winstead. >> i am not mike papantonio. >> i thought we would play a joke. also mike papantonio joins us. mike, how did the president do tonight, mike? talk about going after medicare, medicaid, corporate tax breaks, what's happening here? on the cheerleading side of it, he did great. i have to say he did great. his idea of pass this jobs bill now, every time he said it, john boehner looked a little more creeped out. he let the republicans know that's a message he's going to take all over the country and republicans are out of their comfort zone when they can't whine and complain. he threatened them, he said you whine and complain, i'll take this to the american people. most progressives want to hear him talk tough, talk about not shipping jobs overseas. if you ship jobs overseas, you don't get subsidies, government contracts and tax breaks. he needed to talk about the u.s. chamber of commerce attacking, trying to encourage globalization with nafta and maybe how that's not working for

the american worker. those are things we wanted to hear. but overall, he was on his game. he is getting ready for the campaign. but the point is this, every now and then he does a little too much compromising. i thought maybe that's what took place tonight. >> i think personality wise, what's interesting, watching him tonight, you saw a real president as opposed to last night when you saw the sort of side show, you know, morality barkers up there spewing about nothing, you know. the fact that it was a serious time. there was no evolution debate. there was no is there science. it was like this is a real person with real ideas instead of these freaks who couldn't possibly -- >> what about rick perry? >> you know what, here's the deal. before obama can fix any structure or do anything, he has to build, there has to be a bridge to the republicans. you can't even get a bridge

going, never mind get it going. rick perry literally, i said it before, i'll say it again, he is the dollar store george bush. there's nothing about him that's interesting. he was so badly squeezing himself not to have the yea hoo come out. he looked like he was in his dad's suit. all of it was orchestrated. very pathetic. >> is he dangerous, mike papantonio? >> he is very dangerous. the good thing about the debate about it only being rick perry is that the hurt has been felt. in that extravaganza, you saw gingrich is gone, huntsman is gone, so you have michele bachmann basically who is a dead woman walking because the religious fringe has decided they want a man at the top of the ticket. a man rather than a lunatic woman. the idea is now what it comes down to, she has to be her sub

miss i have self, go home, do whatever crazy washed up politicians do at the end of their career, and i thought it was interesting, her parting shot when she said immigrants are narco-terrorists, we're going to miss lines like that. but had a good one from perry saying he could compare himself to galileo, that he is being persecuted for his climate stand even when texas is burning down to ashes. he graduated texas a&m, the same odd balls that were his followers today, they would have burned galileo at the state. >> the fires are raging in texas and he's praying for rape. it hasn't stopped raining in new york on the east coast for three days. >> he has limbaugh, fox news. you have seen the entourage of right wing talkers that

supported rick perry. he has the koch brothers. or is that a bridge too far. do you think he has the koch brothers? >> absolutely. the koch brothers would like chris christie vp and rick perry presidential campaign. >> if he has all this, what else does he need? he should be a shoe in from here on out. >> i think what he needs is for the americans not to understand what the man is about. we saw with george bush, sometimes the americans look to the camera and say he talks well, he looks like he's a smart guy, and by the end of the day, they end up getting it wrong. so he could win. >> and liz, i want to ask you, was there some saturday night material there? there were a few -- >> there was. >> there were a few gaps in some of the answers there. >> he was kind of thumb bell even a a bit.