>> t.j., was that you? >> it's all of us. it's a combined effort. >> i shout out who shot the kennedys, after all, it was you and me, collective guilt. >> will heilemann was asking me about my dress. the reason i'm wearing it, there's a link. >> i was complimenting it. >> it was awkward. i feel awkward right now. >> second annual women inspiration inspirational. it was about starting a business and breaking into philanthropy. you can buy tickets for the symposium and get further information at wesymposium.org. >> "morning joe." stick around for "the daily rundown" with chuck todd.

>> a big upset in a race to replace congressman anthony weiner. republicans take the new congressional seat the democrats have held for almost 100 years. clear warning of how frustrated voters are over the sour economy and a warning shot at the white house. as the president pitches his new jobs plan in north carolina, on capitol hill, a hearing to look into a company the white house trumpeted during the last stimulus as a model for green technology. it went bankrupt. potentially leaving taxpayers with a half billion dollar bill. the administration is on the hot seat for that. plus, who says you have to win an election to impact american politics? this morning, we're celebrating the presidential losers who left their marks. it's wednesday, september 14, 2011. this is "the daily rundown," i'm chuck todd. call it presidential pile on day. let's get to my first reads.

four months ago republicans got a wake-up call losing an election largely on the party's plan to turn medicare into a private voucher program. last night it was the democrat's turn for a sharp rebuke from voters in new york state. democrats lost in queens, in new york's 9th congressional district. once represented by chuck schumer which hasn't sent a republican to congress in 90 years. bob turner beat david weprin by eight points. turner called his victory a message to washington. >> this message will resound for a full year. and will resound into 2012. this is a referendum and we're ready to say, mr. president, we're on the wrong track. >> the president's approval rating sits at just 43% in this

district. more bad news for the white house. in nevada where republican mark amaday crownsed kate marshal by 22 points, 58-36, he won in all 17 counties. you can explain away both special elections on a localized basis, but the fact is, this is the july-august hangover that has stung the white house, presidential approval ratings nationally at low points for the president. yes, there were local reasons why new york 9, weprin made orthodox jews upset on his views over gay marriage, there's a lot of localized ways to explain this away, but if the president's job approval rating had been higher in this district, he might have been able to come in and help. the fact is he couldn't come in and help. the district will be disappearing just like new york 26. democrats had a hard time getting a good candidate.

it's still a wake-up call for democrats. the white house will argue what happened last night in new york is simply that exclamation point on a terrible summer, that they've made the course correction, it's just taking time to sink in. president heads to raleigh, north carolina today to sell that course correction. his jobs plan, which he pitched yesterday in ohio. >> yesterday, there were some republicans quoted in washington saying that even if they agree with the proposals in the american jobs act, they shouldn't pass it because it would give me a win. give me a win? this isn't about giving me a win. this isn't about giving democrats or republicans a win. it's about giving the american people a win. >> a new bloomberg poll this morning shows voters are not convinced the plan will be a win for them. 51-40, americans doubt the president's job bill will bring down the unemployment rate. the president's approval rating on the economy sits at just 33%.

as if this weren't enough bad news for the white house, hearings on capitol hill today call into question whether the president's green jobs pitch is as viable as he's made it sound. a solar package manufacturer, is a stimulus -- as a potential stimulus success story which received a half billion dollars in loans is turning into an embarrassment. last year the president visited the company and said this. >> it's here that companies like this are leading the way toward a brighter and more prosperous future. less than a year ago, we were standing on what was an empty lot. but through the recovery act, this company received a loan to expand its operations. this new factory is the result of those loans. >> but a month ago, solyndra went belly up. the fbi raided headquarters investigating whether the government funds and whether the

government was misled. the project was sped up against the advice of some government staffers. the best explanation here for the white house is simply you make some of these investments. not all of them pan out. in particular, what republicans are arguing is that, look, this pitch on green jobs, it's a good goal for 10, 20 years, is it something that's viable now? that's the tough sell. that's what the white house is pushing back against. yes, they know the hearings are going to be political annoyances, but what they're more concerned about is the idea of whether they will have a harder time selling the concept of green jobs. just as conventional wisdom was talking about the republican establishment finally rallying around mitt romney, read the "new york times" times, brian sandov sandoval, one of the top five rising stars among the group of governors, endorsed rick perry. this is an hispanic governor, a

rising star, a governor of a swing state. by the way, a governor of a state where romney is supposed to dominate on the primary and caucus level. the ultimate little bit of rebuke there for perry. it just goes to show you perry had a pretty bad debate performance. don't think his campaign would argue that point too much, but what you got to remember about perry, there is a pretty impressive organization around him. so romney did the pawlenty endorseme endorsement. within hours, they were all about bobby jindal. this is going to be a long, hard slog inside the republican primary. let's move to congress. the congressional super committee got a dose of fiscal reality from the head of the congressional budget office. he told lawmakers you can keep the status quo on taxes or on the entitlement programs but you can't do both. >> as a matter of arithmetic, it

is possible to raise taxes or carve away at the rest of the government in a way that can support those programs in this form for some time. there should be no illusion about the magnitude of the changes required in other policies to accommodate that. >> basic argument is you got to have raised taxes and deal with some entitlement reforms. california democratic congressman is a member of the super committee. he joins me now, some sobering words there from the head of the cbo. do you see your mission on whatever you guys come up with, whether it's 1.5 trillion, 2 trillion, 4 trillion, that no matter what, the eventual solution is going to include both some tax hikes and some entitlement reforms which is code word for cuts? >> chuck, i think the big solution to get us really moving forward and getting the country back on track will include a mix of those. anyone who says otherwise is either fooling themselves or not

willing to be serious. >> let me ask you this. i know that the president, one of the things he hopes for in his jobs bill is that the super committee, if congress itself doesn't like the "pay fors" for the half trillion dollar jobs bill, he would like the supercommittee to figure out a way to do it. is it your plan to take up essentially the pay for aspect of the president's job bill and find half a trillion dollars in what you're doing to pay for this jobs bill? >> chuck, i hope we do take up the proposal for jobs, because this supercommittee is supposed to get the country back on track. you can't get the country back on track unless 14 million americans get back to work. so we cannot realistically convey to the american people this message that we're going to do this right unless they're working again. we'll have to do something on jobs and we'll have to make sure

it's a responsible plan on jobs, so that means covering any costs into the long term. as dr. elmendorf said, you don't want to ruin the economy by making devastating reductions in services today to pay for important opportunities to increase jobs. we have to be serious and make sure we get the economy back on track and long term we get the markets back on track. >> pull back on the process you're going through. i know you had a meeting or two, meetings with just your democratic colleagues on the supercommittee but also with the full roster of the 12 members. how is this process going to work? normally in a congressional bill, there are committee hearings, this or that. are you guys going to take up bowles-simpson? explain to me what you guys are doing process-wise right now? >> well, the answer in a sense is yes, yes to everything you

just said. we should take on the various reports and proposals that have come out that are bipartisan and balanced. simpson bowls had that sense of balance. it was big. the rivlin big had some balance and was big. you can disagree with aspects of each. at least they were plans that had the elements of balance and were long term fixes. we can take those on. on the democratic side, all of us would like to make sure this supercommittee has the benefit of hearing from those folks who reached those deals. that can help set the platform for where we go into the future. i think we'll get there. >> i'm hearing a lot of thinks and it coulds. what i'm trying to ask is is that how it is going to work? the democrats are going to say okay, bowles-simpson, let's start as that as our structure. is that how this process is going to work? >> chuck, i can't tell you

that's exactly how it will work, but i do believe we're going to take from either bowles-simpson, rivlin, maybe gang of six and all those different elements, bipartisan, have balance and are long term, those can be put together. you don't have to take all of one and none of the other. we don't have to reinvent the wheel. it's been done. most of us have been here quite some time. we know what's out there that gives us the chemistry to make it work. it's not rocket science, it's a matter of having the will to do it. if the american people can survive this recession, we can survive the negotiation. >> the results in new york's 9th district, a shock to a lot of democrats, a lot of your democratic colleagues. give me your reaction and how you think the democratic party ought to be responding to it? >> it's interesting. new york, the people in new york have been sending a very strong message.

when kathy hochul got the votes of folks in a democrat district and won, this election here, i think the people in new york are saying what the people in the country are saying. don't take us for granted. the game is over. it's time for us to get down to business. we're tired of just the talk. get it done. i don't think there's any bigger job that we can have but to help create the jobs in the private sector. i believe in new york the message once again came loud and clear. get to work putting america back to work. >> congressman halfway becerra. >> it's deja vu all over again on capitol hill as the supercommittee may now start taking up the president's job plan. still to come, barry gold water, al smith, giants of american politics and they were all presidential losers. how the biggest losers can sometimes have the biggest impact on history. plus the white house goes to

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there's no free lunch and a government spending expansion here is actually going to do more harm than good. >> i think we do the dialogue a

disservice by oversimplifying it. if it was a mere spending issue, it would be easier to solve. >> the members of the supercommittee tried to tackle the nation's debt and deficit problem. after the debt ceiling debacle, the two sides are at odds over what's going to get us out. ken circle is deputy washington bureau chief and felicia somnez, thank you very much. you heard the testimony of the congressional budget office which basically said, you can look at this as either a tax issue -- we can either keep the same tax rates but it's going to mean massive spending cuts or if you want to do the spending, you have to raise taxes, but -- or you have to deal with both. >> it's going to be really, really tough because these are really at the crux of what each party stands for. republicans don't want to see any increase in taxes. democrats are loathe to do

anything to entitlements, medicare, medicaid, social security. at some point, they have to get in the room and quietly work out some type of agreement, come out of the room and say we've both lost a finger on each hand, like when they decided to raise the bush tax cuts. they went behind the scenes, came out with a full proposal where both people had to sacrifice some things that were very, very important to them. if they can do that this time, they're on the way. in this political climate, i don't know how anyone can predict this. >> public opinion is on the side of democratic message. who do you trust for to handle the economy, 46% chose the president over congressional republicans. then you look in the bloomberg poll, taxes versus entitlements, how should the supercommittee go? 51% say they should raise taxes on folks who make 250,000 or

more. clearly, there is more of an an tight with the public to say okay, you're probably going to have to raise some taxes than there is with the republicans and the supercommittee? >> exactly. that explains a lot of the white house's strategy behind this when they rolled out the pay fors for this plan over the past couple of days. they said we would like to eliminate deductions for higher earners. they know the majority of americans support that. that same poll showed that 51% of americans don't think this jobs plan is going to have an impact. that shows the white house is at a disadvantage. that's before republicans had laid into this as a second stimulus. >> the republicans say about the high tax centers, those are also the job creators, republicans will tell you. >> how many jobs have they treated over the last ten years? that's been the push back? they call them job creators but there's no evidence jobs have been created? >> they're also going to talk about corporate taxes.

a good idea but a hard slog is tax reform. that's something that everybody i think generally thinks is a good place to start, but nobody -- the time certainly isn't there. in this political climate before an election, 14 months away. >> yet the irony, to tackle tax reform, the first time they did massive tax reform in the '80s, it created the modern day k street that we have, all the gucci loafers, that was the joke. now lobbyists are so unpopular, there is breathing room to do this in a way and say no to the lobbyists. >> that's the irony that the supercommittee faces. they have a chance greater than any of these deficit reduction efforts to get it passed. there are so many factors there, the biggest one being time. i think that was one of the big takeaways from yesterday's meeting, the cbo director said yes, you guys have the

thanksgiving deadline to get something done, but we will need it by the end of october if we're going to be able to score it. that means they have a little bit over a month and the scope of this problem now is so big that despite them having a big chance to get this done, the time just isn't there. >> it doesn't seem like a difficult thing to do. the difficult thing is the politics. the plans are all there? >> you have simpson-bowles, you have different ways of messing around with this? >> on the one hand, it seems like a simple solution. i remember talking to judd gregg, who was one of the original people who wanted to cut the deficit. he said there are a thousand ways you can get to the numbers but is there the political will to do it? are people basically going to man up or girl up or lady up, depending on your gender and get this done? the other thing is what separates this commission from so many other commissions that write reports and go on bookshelves, if they don't do something, the trigger kicks in. we generally know what the

trigger would look like, massive across the board cuts in spending, but the cbo has yet to come out and say when you make those cuts this is what it will actually look like. this is what the impacts will be. >> why haven't the cbo scored the cuts? >> i think it's time. >> they will when it happens. >> the cbo runs the show for all things budget. this will they can say what's really going on, what the impacts are going to be, it doesn't matter. how many times has the cbo sent congress back to the floor to vote on things and said it's not going to be 8 billion or 10 billion. >> that definitely came up time after time. doug ellen dsaid it's going to t for these guys. >> thank you both. >> for the first time this month, stocks are up two days in a row. can the mini rally hold? we'll get a check on the markets next. plus the biggest losers. even the losers get lucky sometimes. what today's crop of

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we're just minutes away from the opening bell. let's get to it, courtney reagan with the market rundown. there's a whole bunch of retail numbers that were supposed to come out. how does it affect the market? >> those retail numbers relatively unchanged, surprised most economists. thought we would see an uptick following the trend we've seen after the last couple of months on data being reported.

u.s. futures actually are higher. they began the rebound this morning when treasury secretary tim geithner told cnbc's jim cramer in new york city that the challenges europe faceses are within their reach to fix. this is after moody's slashed credit ratings on several french banks, citing their exposure to greece. that default has been a worry for a long time. the downgrades aren't totally unexpected which is why the european markets and the bank shares are taking it in relative stride. european commission president jose broesa confirms the door is open but warns it isn't a cure-all. >> we'll see if it's three days in a row. "the daily rundown" will be back in 30 seconds.

broes so. >> bottom of the hour, quick look at what's driving the hour. president obama heads down to north carolina to pitch his jobs plan. he'll visit the raleigh durham area and speak at a machine company there. very happy with the headlines they got out of ohio. elizabeth waern has launched her campaign for the senate. she was going to be blocked by republicans had she been fully nominated. she's one of several democrats vying for the right to run against incumbent republican scott brown. this could be one of the marquee senate races.

the opening bell has rung on wall street. dow futures are up as investors hope to build on yesterday's modest gains. iran's judiciary is denying that it plans to release two detained americans, despite the fact that ahmadinejad. shane fattal and shane bauer have been detained for two years. a massive 20 hour battle in kabul is over after helicopter gun ships and afghan police kill the last of insurgents. four police officers and three civilians were killed. new census numbers show poverty levels in america have reached the highest level in 52 years that the bureau has been publishing the figures. 2.6 million americans slipped into poverty last year bringing the total number of americans

below the poverty line to 46.2 million. this as median household earnings dropped to 1996 levels when adjusted for inflation. as we've reported the president's green jobs agenda is under fire after a solar company hailed as a success story went bankrupt despite receiving a half billion dollars in government loan guarantees. the company is solyndra. it is under investigation of the fbi and in a hearing today. new study has lisa myers spent a lost time looking into this. okay, what were the red flags. tell us a little bit about solyndra, the company, and exactly what they got from the government. >> solyndra was a little, high tech company that was making cutting edge solar panels. it was hailed as a big success

story of the stimulus program. the president went out there and said they had put all these people to work building the plant. another 1,100 people were employed there. fast forward. the company has gone bankrupt. all the workers have been laid off. the taxpayers may be out a half billion dollars. the new e-mails that the house investigators have put out and will focus on today shows there are a number of concerns within the government, red flags as this loan was considered about whether the company was actually viable. language was -- there was one warning that a model showed that the project would run out of cash in september 2011. which is now and which is what happened. another warning said worried about what the model the government was using to approve the loan, "given the time pressure we are under to sign off on solyndra, we don't have time to change the model." the e-mail showed that the white

house was rushing the department of energy to get this approved or get final approval so that the vice president could announce it at a ground breaking at the company plant. the white house would say look, we were only pushing on timing, not on substance. clearly, the government workers felt they were being rushed. >> now, tell me this, lisa. sort of what is the best case spin the white house can put on this? we know this is being now -- essentially this investigation has a political tint to it. darrell issa involved. >> more than a little. >> this has turned into, many ways, they've politicized it to a point where we're trying to separate this. what's the best case spin the administration can make on this? >> the best case spin is that the administration was so eager to get this green jobs initiative out there, and to try to create jobs in clean energy industry, which is also part of their idealogical touch stone,

that they just pushed and pushed and pushed to get this done. there were certainly people who were doubters at the time about the viability of the company, but there were also people who thought this was a promising technology worth the risk. i think that's really the best you get out of it. so far the e-mails do not suggest any kind of untoward political influence, but were just really getting into this. >> lisa myers, senior investigative correspondent. thanks very much. >> you bet. >> it's easy to look back at america's presidents and recognize how their time in office changed the country. several presidential also rans have done their fair share to shape the landscape of american history as well. a new c span series called the contenders aims to make their stories known. mark farkas is the executive producer of the series. he joins me now. i keep having tom petty in my head, even the losers get lucky sometimes. this is a look at famous presidential losers, right?

>> exactly. it's a look back at 14 people, some of whom you can ask the question might they have been better presidents than the people they lost to. other folks, barry goldwater is a great example, without barry goldwater, you might not have a ronald reagan. it's a great way to look back at the personalities but also at the presidential election promise. >> the first one you profiled was? >> henry clay. >> give us the dime store version of why he made the list? >> ran for president five times, nominated by his party three times. i'm not sure why he wanted to run for president. he was the most powerful speaker of the house in the history of the country. he was a resit visit. there was a power in the presidency in the time of weak presidents. we see it today. >> what is it about him that shaped the american landscape that maybe the loss impacted? >> well, the system that he had advocated was this american

system. it really was an expansion westward of roads. other people were talking about it at the time. he was on the forefront of that. if he had been president instead of andrew jackson, there's a lot of people who would argue he wouldn't be a better president than andrew jackson. he was known as the great compromiser. you think a compromiser is someone who gets along with everyone. he was also called -- >> you're not going to call andrew jackson a compromiser. his presidency is one that everybody likes to revisit. let's bring it forward, the next three or four? >> this week, there's a guy named james g.blanigan runs against cleveland. something happens in this race. blaine accuses cleveland of having a child out of wedlock. >> the first negative campaigning, personalized. >> it was a horrible, nasty campaign. >> mama, ws my pa?

>> politicians want to know what he ask. >> he fessed up, i'm not sure if it's mine. i've had sex with her. i'm giving her child support. got it right out in the open. he wins the election by a very narrow margin. >> another one i'm intrigued with is based on somebody, one of the more political dinners, the al smith dinner. tell us about al smith? >> al smith, first catholic to receive the nomination of his party paves the way for jfk. his nomination in 1928. he's the happy warrior. he's a new dealer. by 1932, he did not get along with him. al smith comes out in opposition of fdr, doesn't support him in the 36 and 40 campaigns. the al smith dinner happens every year. the presidential nominees goes to it during campaigning. >> barry goldwater going to make the list. george mcgovern make the list?

>> yes. everybody says he got whitewashed. he was representative of an era. the democratic party changes at that point. >> changed the system of presidential primary process in a way that is still impacting. >> >> iowa, new hampshire, that system now. >> finally ross perot? >> i don't think you can go to a tea party rally and not hear echos of ross perot. a lot of people argue without perot, he was tied almost in a dead heat with george h.w. bush and drops out. he takes a lot of oats away from him. a lot of people argue bill clinton would not have been elected without ross perot. >> the series looks fascinating. can't wait until it's all out in one session as well. i got my tivo already set. if it's wednesday, it is our hump day panel.

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politics. michele bachmann says she plans to continue hitting rick perry over the hpv vaccine he mandated when she travels to iowa last week. criticized for repeatedly telling a story about a mother whose daughter developed mental retardation after being vaccinated. bachmann backed off those comments on shaun hannity's show sort of. >> i am not a doctor, i'm not a scientist, i'm not a physician. all i was doing is reporting what this woman told me last night at the debate. parents are very busy. parents just assume that if the government says their child has to have an injection, that it must be good for them. >> cynthia tuck certificate a columnist, jackie kucinich is a reporter and jim garty is a reporter. national review, yesterday afternoon, on the corner, had a

pretty aggressive post from a physician really pushing back on bachmann? >> you could not find many conservatives, many doctors familiar with this issue who were willing to say it may cause retardation. it was the idea of repeating something like this that is so unproven, so speculative, so secondhand. regardless of what you think of traditional mccarthyism, there's no place for it today. nine times out of ten, the claims that the republicans are anti-science is b.s. if the republicans twoonts see be worried about vaccines, that charge is going to start sticking. >> i want to play how rick perry was defending himself. here's what he said, i want to butt together two quotes. here's what he said yesterday on the hp vaccine. i want to butt it together with the comment he made in his first debate appearance in the reagan library. >> you heard the same arguments

about giving our children protections from some of the childhood diseases and that they were -- autism was part of it. now we subsequently found out that that was all generated and not true. >> just because you have a group of scientists that stood up and said here is the fact. galileo got outvoted for a spell. >> jackie, to put that in context, the galileo comment had to do with the climate change comment. huntsman threw evolution in there as well. it was interesting to butt together, you hear him making the scientific argument on defending himself on the hp vaccine on the bachmann charges on how he defended his climate change skepticism. >> he says it's all about health and cancer. a lot of people in texas don't have insurance. if they have another kind of cancer, they're not going to be able to get treated. there is a lost dissidence what you hear with rick perry.

he's learning what it's like on the national stage, how consistency is important. you can't say these two different things because people are going to do that. they're going to splice clips together. you're going to look like you're trying to play both sides. >> i am guessing you received a lot of friends, democrats who said when they heard rick perry on hpv and they heard him on immigration and heard him get booed there, they're thinking i'm with rick perry. >> i thought his answer on immigration was a great answer, was his best answer of the evening, but we saw how it was received in the hall. it didn't play well with tea partiers at all. michele bachmann clearly found her voice again on the hpv vaccine issue. rick perry has a real problem with conservatives there, particularly tea partiers. because in fact, it was a mandate. yes, parents could opt out, but it's the very thing that they have been pushing back against

so hard. >> this idea of the government pushing hard. i guess i want to ask you, jim, is there evidence that somehow he's got a problem inside with core conservatives. here's rush limbaugh coming to his defense essentially. this is the second time in a couple of days he's come to a rick perry defense. this was on the hpv vaccine and a warning to michele bachmann. here's what he said. >> i'll tell you, michele bachmann, she might have blown it today. not blown it, she might have jumped the shark today. if she would have just left it alone on this vaccination thing from last night. there's no evidence that the vaccine causes mental retardation. that's a shame. >> we talked about that aspect of it. you were talking about it on national review. what i've noticed this is the second time where rush has basically pushed back on people criticizing an aspect of rick perry here. >> rush will be the first to emphasize that he's bigger than any individual candidate. he's not someone who endorses at

any poinltsd. the republican candidates come and go. rush is eternal. some of us like to think of him that way. he has views on each candidate. at some point, he's feeling warm, fuzzy feelings toward rick perry. i think it's a strong argument saying if you say to a parent of a 10-year-old gaurt, we're going to give her a vaccine for a sexually transmitted disease. it's got to be handled with delicacy. perry didn't do that. bachmann took the legitimate criticism and charged. >> the criticism being she went too far. stick around, we'll talk about some house special elections after the break. here's our trivia question. we asked since becoming a state, has nevada had more democratic or republican u.s. representatives? if you are watchers of jeopardy,

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some live pictures of liberty university in lynchburg, virginia, and the school was founded by the reverend jerry falwell is the largest christian university in the country. moments ago the chancellor said that perry has adequately addressed the hpv issue, and that evangelicals should not pass judgment and clarified it on a panel. and jim, correct me if i'm wrong, what he has apologized is not the mandate, but the

executive order and not the -- >> the way he went about it. >> and the decisions. >> and let's talk about yesterday's special elections yesterday in new york and nevada. and what a difference four months make, and four months ago, cynthia, a democratic winning a republican issue, and some local issues, but democrats said we found an effective message in medicare and some republicans in washington saw it today. but today, the democrats we heard javier beserra say, oh, it is all local excuse, but he said, hey, a message is being sent, and he tried to i is a it was not a message against president obama, but washington, and what do you say? >> i say it is a message against the democrats. this is, i'm sorry, unabashed bad news for the democratic party and president obama in particular. because he has identified not only with the economy which played out large in the election to replace anthony weiner, but

he is also identified with the policy on israel which so many orthodox jews were pushing back against. for rightly or wrongly, he is seen as not being as strong a support of israel and they don't like the fact that he stood up and said that they need to go back to the 1967 borders for peace negotiations. >> right. >> all of that played out, and all of that is identified with president obama. >> and jackie kucinich, the thing that the white house fears today, they believe, and they would like to say it is a hangover from july and august and no doubt to take a hit and this is evidence of it and it is not as if they brought president obama in. that wasn't going to help and that they have address ed the concerns of the democrats, and there has to be a lot of hammering among the democratic congressionally quiet, and if we can't bring in the president in a district like this and yes, israel mattered an gd gay marrie

mattered here, that is a headache of the white house. >> yes, we saw this same thing in the new york special elections in the last couple of year, because yes, some hand wringing going on, and there is a good point this morning at 538, that is showing the volatiles and it is showing that it is linked to how they feel about the president, and i think that they have, the congressional democrats have to be looking at this. >> and jimmy, going back to the volatility in may, and we were talking amongst ourselves in the political union, the ryan plan did not come up in the presidential debates, and that is how quickly it shifted. >> yes, weak candidates and local issues here, but what stands out to me is that we are in september of 2011 and the november presidential election is a little more than a year, and how much do we expect the economy to change or the mood volatile? i don't see the americans wildly happy and fantastic feeling about washington and the incumbents and i feel it is going to be negative and ominous

for incumbents, but particularly for the president. >> and democratic enthusiasm and if i werer in chicago that is what jim massena and david axelrod is saying an enthusiasm problem. >> yes, if you look at who is hit hardest by the poverty blacks and hispanics and that is the president's base, and will they be motivated for him. >> and give a shameless plug. >> james garrity on twitter. >> okay. and jackie. >> standardized testing scores and it says that 45% of states don't check for erasures on standardized tests. check it outs. >> check out the international women's foundation at iwf.org and we give awards to extraordinary women who do their jobs under extreme duress.

>> shameless plug. okay. thank you all. tomorrow on the show, ed rollins, the man who just stepped down as michele bachmann's day-to-day campaign manager, and he is still advising the campaign. and coming up on msnbc, chris jansing & company,ed a at 1:00 don't miss "andrea mitchell reports." see you tomorrow. here is a look at the business travel forecast. i'm bill karins, and we are watching quiet conditions. temperatures are dropping many, many areas as a strong cold front moves out of canada. boston and new york and d.c. very much like summer and a slight chance of shower and storm in d.c. and detroit, 69 and cooler temperatures for minneapolis. enjoy.

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