perry over romney for 2012. back in washington, the pile on obama stories continue. today, it's gripe about bill daley day. we'll dig deeper into that. and former president jimmy carter offers his take on the republican field. is it something mitt romney could do without? good morning, it's friday, september 16th, 2011, this is "the daily rundown" i'm chuck todd. we start with rick perry in iowa with a new, more aggressive tone. he ramped up a tax on mitt romney last night, saying romney's massachusetts health care law is barely distinguishable from the president's, and the hits just kept on coming. take a listen. >> governor romney's misguided health mandates slowed the income growth and cost massachusetts -- their job creation in that state was 47th in the nation. romney-care has driven private insurance costs up by

$4.3 billion. it's cost taxpayers in iowa and across this country. if it cost massachusetts 18,000 jobs, think about what obamacare is going to do to this country. >> well, it's on. rick perry clearly, you could tell -- those were new talking points, new stump speech, new hits on romney. he talked about also why he believes it is better to have a clear contrast, saying that romney in particular, because of the health care mandate in massachusetts, will not offer the same contrast with president obama. bottom line, after being on defense, frankly, for the last two weeks, it's clear they're telegraphing they want to get more aggressive, go on more offense, and put romney on defense. moving on. michele bachmann, not exactly dialing back her rhetoric on hpv. but she is inching it back. talking to reporters yesterday, after a california fund-raiser, bachmann refused to say whether she regrets saying hpv may cause

mental retardation. but for the first time in describing her debate encounter, she never used that phrase. take a listen. >> during the debate, i didn't make any statements that would indicate that i'm a doctor or i'm a scientist or that i'm making any conclusions about the drug one way or another. i didn't make any statements about that. at the conclusion of the debate, a woman came up to me, who was very distraught. she was crying. and she thanked me for my remarks. and said that her daughter had had a negative reaction. and that's all i related. >> negative reaction, that's all she related. so, look, they -- that is an acknowledgment that some damage has been done. but this is the type of damage. here she needed a good debate performance, she got it. she put perry on the ropes. she put perry on the ropes on an issue that was passionate, to core conservative social voters. and then went too far. this is going to be a week that she may realize and regret that if this thing doesn't get back off the ground -- that if she doesn't get some momentum back

in iowa, it could be seen as the week that ended her candidacy or ended her possibilities of even trying to win iowa. happiest people about that right now, the guy that was in iowa last night, rick perry. finally, here in washington, apparently it's bill daley pile-on day. if you can't fire the owner, you fire the coach, right? or you complain about the coach. and a number of anonymous democrats are saying, it's time for the white house chief of staff to change in some form or another. the "huffington post" quotes one former administration official saying daley is disorganized and people are longing for rom. another anonymous source says is there a level of unhappiness with bill around the white house? yeah, you do what you have to do to streamline the organization, but a lot of people are pissed. david plouffe says, quote, i think he has done a very good job, it's been a tough year and it's only natural there is

turbulence when the waters aren't entirely placid. but he's a very savvy and good guy and solid guy. let's remember why bill daley was brought in. he was brought in to deal with the republicans who are now in charge of congress. remember, rom left before election day in november. number two, to get better relations with the business community. so congressional democrats are complaining. why? because all of the personal relationships with republicans have gotten better with the white house, but nothing has come to fruition, if anything, the politics on capitol hill has gotten worse for the white house. and second, the business community, things aren't better. and instead, though, it has irritated the base of the democratic party. the rom axe way of running the white house is a lot different than the daley/plouffe way of running the white house. that you can hear in some of these anonymous quotes. but don't expect the white house to overly panic to what james carville calls for. that's not how president obama

works. he doesn't fire staffers, he doesn't overreact. that doesn't mean you won't see people's roles change a little bit. you may see a pete rouse making more phone calls, more visits to capitol hill, and all of the folks inside the west wing who have capitol hill ties to be using those ties more. because clearly the relationships between reid and schumer in this white house are as bad as they have been in a very long time. all right. back to the presidential race. in a week where rick perry has taken shots from all sides, he's also picked up a key endorsement from one of his fellow governors, a rising star in the republican party, louisiana governor bobby jindal. i spoke to jindal moments ago about his decision. governor, let me start with why. why governor perry over, say, governor romney? >> well, chuck, a couple of things. one, listening to the debate in florida, i think almost any of those candidates will be an improvement over president obama. secondly, i think the issue in this election is going to be the economy. we're now at record unemployment

rates. it's one of the worst recessions -- the worst recession since the great depression. president obama continues to believe in more spending, more taxes, more borrowing. contrast with governor rick perry. he has consistently fought against excessive regulations, held the line. first governor in decades in texas to cut general revenue spending. but here's the most important fact. he has got a proven track record. not only does he talk the talk, he has walked the walk. in texas, they have created nearly half the jobs that have been created in america over the last two years. under president obama, the country has lost millions of jobs. under governor perry, texas has created nearly 1 million jobs. so for me, you've got a fundamental choice in this election. president obama wants to continue to take us to the left, continue to spend money we don't have, continue to raise taxes. governor perry understands that when the governor creates jobs, it costs taxpayers money. when the private sector creates jobs, it actually creates money for taxpayers. i don't think the choice could be more clear. i think his executive experience, i think his proven track record make rick perry the right lead e the best candidate

for the republican party and the right leader for the entire american -- for the american people. >> last night on the campaign trail in iowa, governor perry was comparing why he's a better choice than governor romney. and one of the comments he made is, he doesn't believe romney is a clear enough contrast with president obama. talking specifically about the health care plan. is that one of the -- one of the reasons why you picked perry over romney? >> well, look, i agree with president reagan's 11th commandment. i'm not here to criticize any republican candidates. they're friends of mine. i always said i prefer governors. but i think in governor perry's track record in texas, you do have a very clear contrast with president obama. i think rick has consistently stood up against unfunded federal mandates, whether obama care, fought for energy independence, whether it was fighting against president obama's moratorium or some of his regulations that may slow

down fracing and the production of natural gas here domestically. he has consistently fought against excessive epa regulation that is would hurt our economy, shift more jobs overseas. so i think you see a consistent track record where governor perry has opposed the federal government's increasing reach. i think you've got two fundamentally different philosophical directions for america. under president obama, a continued movement towards european-style social democracy. under governor rick perry, a clear embracement of the free market economy which has made this such a great country. >> now, one are of the arguments come up in the debates, one of the arguments governor perry makes in his book, fed up about social security, he seems to be opening the idea of sending it to the states. as a governor, would you want to be responsible for social security? >> well, a couple of things. and you heard what governor perry said on monday, and the debate down in tampa. you know, texas -- louisiana is like texas.

our state employees actually aren't in social security. louisiana is one of those states that many, many years ago, even before i was governor, certainly, opted to run our own retirement program for our state workers. but, look, i think he's making a bigger point about social security. everybody in washington knows -- and the democrats and the republicans, they all know that social security, the way it's currently structured, is not sustainable. financially, it is paying more than it's taking in for the first time since the early 1980s. the trust fund is going to be broke before i retire. by the time i retire, like the rest of the federal government, it is going broke. they all know that. they have not been honest with the american people. >> and the reality is, they also -- other democrats -- politically, every couple years try to scare the american voters. they try to attack paul ryan and rick perry, brave enough to say, let's secure social security, let's make sure it continues to be there for not only the workers that are in retirement or near retirement. let's make the changes so younger workers can also count on social security. >> words matter, though. and governor romney has been arguing that the phrase, ponzi

scheme, makes it so as if you can't have a rational conversation, because the phrase itself can scare voters and scare seniors. do you think that governor perry ought to back off using phrases like that? >> well, two things. one, the real scheme here are the politicians in washington pretending like everything is okay. while these programs face serious financial challenges. i think the real controversy, the real crisis, is the fact that our leaders in d.c. aren't being honest with us. you know, one of the other candidates on monday at the debate made a very good point. president obama scared social security recipients back during the whole debt debate by saying he wasn't sure they would be able to send out the social security checks. governor perry has been very clear. he wants social security to continue to be there for retirees, near retirees, and wants to make the necessary changes to secure social security for young workers, for those entering the work force. by the way, i think this is going to help them with voters. i think as voters pay attention to this, he is going to get

well-deserved credit from voters who want authentic leadership, they want candidates who will be honest with them. back in the new york congressional, the special election, you know, the same old scare tactics didn't work. you had a republican win in a district that's been democratic for 80 to 90 years. geraldine fer arrow's district. democrats spent half a million dollars on tv in the last week and it didn't work. the same old scare tactics didn't work. i think voters are looking for authentic, honest leadership. >> and governor, finally, one piece of washington business. with all of the disaster relief that states are looking for in the northeast, you've certainly had your experience dealing with fema. there's been a movement afoot to try to, as fema money gets approved, as more money gets thrown into fema to deal with these natural disasters, a search for offset -- budget offsets now, a change, frankly. some republican governors, including governor christie of new jersey saying, hey, this isn't the time to be talking about that.

any advice for your fellow republicans in the house when dealing with this natural disaster relief? >> sure. two things. one, we certainly as a state benefited after katrina and rita from the generosity of the american people. i fully support making sure the resources -- necessary resources are there to help, whether it's new jersey or all the way down in virginia. all of the different states along the east coast and across the country, quite frankly, have dealt with wildfires, earthquakes and whatever the disasters in those areas. i do, however, also support at the same time -- so they need and deserve the help they need to get back on their feet. at the same time, i do think that these dollars should be offset, should be part of a balanced approach to the budget. the reality is, the deficit, the debt in d.c. is not caused by natural disasters. that's a man made disaster. >> governor bobby jindal, republican from louisiana. i've got to leave it there. governor, thanks for coming on. >> chuck, thank you for having me. up next, the fight on capitol hill over how to create more jobs. the dividing lines are not just between democrats and

republicans. and as the white house works to reassure wavering democrats, the chief of staff is under fire. plus, mitt romney's senior adviser will be here to respond to perry's latest attacks. and that halfway endorsement the former governor would probably rather not have from president jimmy carter. but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. you're watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. a bill into law today, patent reform. we'll be right back. ♪ sn't some optional pursuit. a privilege for the ultra-wealthy. it's a necessity. i find investments with e-trade's top 5 lists. quickly. easily. i use pre-defined screeners and insightful trading ideas to dig deeper. work smarter. not harder. i depend on myself the one person i do trust to take charge of my financial future. [ bell dinging ]

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between democrats and republicans about tackling the biggest financial challenge this country has ever faced. >> well, that's senator dick durbin yesterday, preaching the power of bipartisan compromise. of course, those remarks came just a few hours before the house speaker suggested the two parties are essentially living on different planets. joining us now, from one planet, texas democratic congressman martin frost and from the other planet, former republican congressman from virginia, tom davis. now, he was standing in front of 36 senators. so by my calculation, that's 64 -- that's not a -- 64 that were not standing there. let's be realistic. i want to start with sort of what's going to consume washington today. it's a classic inside washington story, and that is the griping now about bill daley. wednesday was the griping about president baobama. it looks like it's coming from congressional democrats. >> i don't know exactly where it's coming from, but this always happens when there are problems for our president. bill daley is a very capable

guy. he has a disadvantage this time. when he was in the clinton administration, he was there for a specific purpose. that was to pass nafta. he had the business community already lined up behind him. it was just a matter of trying to get democrats to vote for nafta. now he has a much broader role, a much more difficult role. he is a very good guy, but he's going to continue to draw flack, i think. >> tom davis, yesterday speaker boehner moved the goal posts when it came to the president's jobs bill. when he said that -- essentially laid out an argument that republicans are not going to be for short-term tax credits anymore. short-term tax cuts. something that the republican party previously would be supportive of in efforts to do stimulus. boy, that says to me that that means the president's ideas are dead. that there's -- that boehner is outlining a way of trying to not support the plan in any form. >> $2 trillion right now sitting in corporate coffers you want to get out of the sidelines, you want to get into the economy.

and i think he believes, and a lot of economists believe, you don't do this short-term. you have to show them long-term, these are investments, and the rules are going to stay the same. >> now, the political cynic, though, says he's moving the goal posts, because he doesn't want to see anything get done before the next election. >> i think he does want to see something done. i know from the discussions of the committee chairman and some of the leadership, they can find the cuts, that they want to engage on this. but they want to do it in the appropriate way. now, remember, each party has different constituencies they have to please. as you go through this, as well. but right now, the public is fed up with both parties. the congress's approval is at an all-time low. but they want to do something that works. and the short-terms have not worked. >> chuck, i think the president made it easy for boehner to move the goal posts by coming out for funding his program entirely with tax increases. i think the president would have been better served -- >> you think that was a mistake. >> i think it was a mistake. i think he would have been better served if he said let's

fund some of this program with tax increases, some with budget cuts. that would have put the republicans in a difficult position. by now saying he wants to fund it entirely with increased taxes, it makes it easier for the republicans to walk away from it. >> how is your party going to handle when the president comes out with his debt plan that talks about doing some things to medicare that they have taken -- they have sent the clear signal, social security is not going to be part of it. and, you know, talking to folks at the white house, they wanted to make that clear, essentially trying to soften the blow of what's coming on medicare. >> let's see what they propose on medicare. let's also look what they propose on medicaid. because remember, medicaid is a program that serves poor people, basic constituencies in the democratic party. if he has big cuts in medicaid, that may be even a bigger problem for him than medicare. >> tom davis, you have a lot of democrats that say this is going to be a tough economy, it's going to be very hard to run. but the republicans are simply handing the democrats issues because of paul ryan on medicare, ponzi scheme and rick perry and social security to be the protectors of this.

and they're nervous the president is going to undercut him on medicare. >> they are nervous about that. that's the one issue that worked for them in the new york special. let me just make one point when we talk about these temporary tax cuts. you take the amt and bush tax cuts all temporary right now, over ten years, that's $5 trillion. you talk about the baseline, how do you cut 1.5 -- this say very difficult fit. there's going to be a lot of funny numbers. >> you just made an easy fix. that's the irony. >> congress went home to solve it. >> you know, great -- well, if they did nothing and just let it all expire -- >> including the bush tax cuts. >> so amt, bush tax cuts and doc fix. >> $5 trillion over ten years. >> send them home. cut their pay and send them home and you'll balance the budget. done. >> we'll see. >> all right. i've got to leave it there. martin frost, tom davis. frost and davis, two different planets. you live on the same planet? >> we live on the same planet. >> d.c. and virginia, some people think it's two different

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feel it today? i know i did. it's quadruple witching friday. courtney reagan joins me now with the market rundown. it doesn't get any better than that. >> i know, right? well, it sounds scarier than it is. chuck, actually, futures have turned around and we're higher going into the opening bell. what quad rule enwitching really is, it's a day when contracts for stock index futures, stock index options, stock options, and single stock futures all expire. so that's how you get the four of the quadruple. and typically does add a level of volatility to the market as the uncertainty surrounding economic conditions as it continues to whoever, could make for some unpredictable stock movement. but again, it might not either. it's really just the expiration of certain kinds of securities that all happen on one day. but we can't ignore what's happening in europe. and the market certainly isn't going to either. in order to avoid really a true greek tragedy, a bankruptcy declaration, greece is waiting

for the next $8 billion euro installment of a bailout package, but officials from the eurozone and international monetary fund are delaying their review of greece's finances until next month. they're gathering information to determine if greece has held up its end of the deal to take measures to cut its deficit. and if we look at how our global economies converge, this is one and today with investors paying attention to a meeting of european financial ministers in poland today as they try to resolve the greek crisis. treasury secretary tim geithner is there, as well, the first time u.s. treasury secretary will attend a meeting of eurozone finance ministers. he means business. >> an impact. for sure. and it's had such an impact on us. courtney, thank you very much. "the daily rundown" will be back in 30 seconds.

and we're back. here's some other stories making headlines this morning. libyan fight remembers advancing on some of the last holdouts to moammar gadhafi. refuse institution lear forces marched into the gadhafi stronghold of waleed this morning amid resistance and also captured the airport south of sert, an important symbolic holdout. by a vote of 92-6, the u.s. senate passed legislation yesterday to temporarily extend the federal aviation and highway programs averting another shutdown of the faa. the house passed the bill on tuesday. it now heads to the president's desk to become law. the supreme court yesterday

delivered a last-minute execution stay in the case of texas man duane buck, who was scheduled to be executed last night. the court agreed to halt the execution and review the case after buck's attorneys argued his sentence was unfair because the jury heard racially charged testimony that buck was likelier to be violent in the future because he is black. in speaking of texas, rick perry returned to iowa last night with some tough words from mitt romney. but the execution story back home in texas is getting just as many headlines. so what better person to bring here than nbc's campaign on the perry campaign, perry dan. you just got over the phone with the perry campaign. a response on the supreme court's decision to put a stay on this execution. >> right. i talked to his office, and i asked them about this duane buck matter, and they said we're not commenting on this as a campaign. they referred me to the attorney general's office and to the state office. they said this is not something that we take as a political consideration. this is not something that was discussed at all within the

campaign office. they said we went through the process. it's worth noting, though, the guilt of this suspect is not what's in question. it's the way that this sentence was delivered. and so that's one thing that's been pointed out in a couple places, that it's not a matter of whether or not this man may or may not -- >> but it's clear -- did he get the death penalty as a result -- >> as a result of race being injected into this, that's right. >> all right. well, as we wait on that, we've got live pictures of rick peri campaigning in newton, iowa. we gave you a travel break. what was interesting last night is this decision by the perry campaign to get a lot more aggressive on mitt romney. let's take a listen to what he said last night. almost turning it into a class distinction between himself and mitt romney. take a listen. >> as the son of tenant farmers, i can promise you, i wasn't born with four aces in my hand. there are some people who said gosh, yeah, texas, you've got all that oil and gas and this and that and what have you.

and i said as a matter of fact, governor romney denied -- he said, well, it's pretty easy to be governor when you get four aces in your hand and you think you're good at poker. and, you know -- there's some folks back in texas that are a little offended by that. we work hard in texas. >> a few things caught my eye on just the event itself. number one, he was reading so closely his notes on this. it seemed clear to me that this was a pivot. this is a new line of messaging, and somewhat of a stump speech, if you will, that they wanted to take to iowa. >> well, it was really interesting, because as perry points out in there, in what he said, during the debate, mitt romney wasn't saying that perry was born with four aces in hand because he was a child of privilege. but that's what perry makes it sound like. mitt romney was saying there was an economic climate before perry became governor, a lot of oil and gas in texas. and that's the four aces. rick perry is also a guy that when asked why he is distinguishable from george bush, his fares statement was i went to a&m and george bush went

to yale. this is something he brings up from time to time, and i can't imagine he's not referring to the fact that, oh, mitt romney, you know, harvard graduate. >> a populist message is easier to sell if you've got more of a scrappy background. >> right. >> to sell. bill clinton showed that in the past, and it was -- it's a little more difficult. >> right. >> to sell when you're the son of a prominent and wealthy family. >> and we hear a lot from perry and we will continue to about his upbringing in texas. it's this tiny town, always says it doesn't have a zip code, don't look for it on a map. >> since the debate, is it noticeable the ramp-up on perry going after romney? >> especially what he was saying about health care yesterday. he has sort of been refining this message of contrast. that he is -- perry is saying i'm the candidate that contrasts with barack obama more than mitt romney. he hadn't actually really nailed that to mitt romney as he did last night -- until then, until after the debate. >> we're going to talk to the romney campaign right now. carr

carrie dann, one more day at home and then back on the trail. what does the romney campaign think of the increasing attacks? aaron fernstrom joins me now. eric, you heard the four aces comment there. i know you were sitting there, essentially contrasting the backgrounds. let me let you respond simply to that first. >> i think what i would say, chuck, and thank you for having me on the show, is that we had a debate this week down in tampa, florida, and i think by many accounts, rick perry turned in a poor performance. and so he and his team are clearly rattled by that. and they're trying to change the subject. and that's why you're seeing them lash out at governor romney in this way. look, i'll say this. in terms of contrasting with the president, i think mitt romney offers a much clearer contrast. rick perry and barack obama share the fact that they've held multiple offices, elective offic offices, they have been in politics for a long time.

mitt romney spent most of his career in the private sector. and on one issue in particular, illegal immigration. their views are essentially identical. rick perry signed a bill into law in texas that gives tuition tax breaks to illegal immigrants. that's the same position that barack obama holds. so they are vastly more similar than different. >> i want to ask you about the issue of social security. you guys have made it -- governor romney has made an appoint to hit governor perry on the comments, particularly the phrase ponzi scheme. you believe it scares seniors. but governor jindal was just on earlier, obviously a supporter of perry. and he believes that perry's stance on social security will actually have more appeal in a republican primary than governor romney's stance. >> well, we all agree that social security needs to be fixed. the financing is broken, and governor romney has laid out some options that we could pursue to extend the solvency of

that program. one of those options is to lengthen the retirement age. but what we object to with respect to rick perry and social security is that he attacks the program as fundamentally unconstitutional. he questions why the federal government is even in the business of providing old-age pensions. and last year when his book came out, he went on a media tour. and during that tour, he suggested that we turn over the obligations of our social security program to the states. now, that raises lots of questions. how would that work, exactly? what state, given our economic problems, would assume the unfunded obligations of the social security program? what if you work in multiple states over the course of your career? how would your benefit be paid? what if a state decides not to opt into the social security program? would those residents be completely uncovered? so these are the questions that he himself has raised. he's called for a national conversation about this. and i think he has an obligation to answer some of these

questions. >> all right. i want to move -- you guys were pretty tough on him on afghanistan, saying his answers about afghanistan weren't clear. but i want to play for you mitt romney on his foreign policy view. take a listen to this sound bite, and i'll ask the question on the other side. >> in afghanistan, the president is chosen to disregard the counsel of the generals on the ground. i don't know of a single military adviser to president obama who recommended the withdrawal plan that he has chosen. >> i also think we have learned that our troops shouldn't go off and try and fight a war of independence for another nation. only the afghanis can win afghanistan's independence from the taliban. >> now, eric, i match those up together, because i feel what you're hitting rick perry on, on sort of an inconsistency when it comes to afghanistan and the policy, that felt like an inconsistent that those two statements simply couldn't coexist either. am i wrong? >> well, we all want our troops

to come home, chuck. governor romney certainly does. but he wants them to come home in victory. so he is always conditioned his statements, and you heard it in the clip you played, on conditions on the ground and the advice that we're getting from our military commanders in the field. rick perry in this week's debate took a different view. his view was, we should bring these troops home. he made no mention of getting advice from the generals. he made no mention of the conditions on the ground. his position, as expressed at that debate, was closer to ron paul's than it was to mitt romney. >> all right. and finally, i want to get you -- give you a chance to respond to some surprising news that developed overnight. here is former president jimmy carter weighing in on the republican primary. here's what he had to say, eric. >> i hope you win -- i'm not taking a position, but i would be very pleased to see you win the republican nomination. i don't think anybody is going to beat obama next year.

but my preference, obviously, would be for his religious faith not to be an adverse factor in the choices made about who should be representing the republican party. >> okay. jimmy carter hopes mitt romney is the nominee. your response. >> well, the question that he was asked was whether or not mitt romney's religion should be a barrier to his nomination. and he expressed his view as you heard it, that it should not. but he's going to be voting for obama. he made that very clear. the two of them have very similar records, and -- but we appreciate his view that religion should not and probably won't play a role in this election. >> eric fernstrom, thanks for coming on this morning. >> thank you, chuck. up next our tgi friday panel is here for more on the pile-on and how the white house will respond to that. plus -- >> i'm happy that i got the job. people ask me, are you having fun?

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geniuses and when not going well, you hear messages like this yesterday, democrat james carville telling the white house, it's time to panic. >> when we lost all of the seats in 1994, a lot of us got fired. i didn't have a consulting contract with the dnc. people make changes. that's what happened. that's what president reagan did in 1980. he fired john sears and other people in his campaign. he tossed out lincoln. how many generals can lincoln fire? even rumsfeld lost his job. the republicans fired newt gingrich. you've got to give people a signal out there, that something is not working, and you are trying something else. >> political director and host of "roll call tv" and allen shapiro from npr. thank you all. you cover the white house with me pretty closely. this white house going to take james carville's advice? i mean, this president seems like the last one that would

simply go around the table and say, you're fired, you're fired, you're fired. >> this is not the kind of president who does that. even when there was a housecleaning of sorts in 2010, we saw the new people who came in, david plouffe and such, were not really new people. they were people who were very close to obama. this is a president who prizes loyalty. i think we may see some reshuffling of chairs. but we're not going to see the kind of full house -- >> but let's remind people, there is a rom and axe white house sort of -- you know, the chief of staff messaging guru versus now those roles are daly and plu. it's a different style of leadership. >> some of the criticism we saw of bill daley this morning, rom was so orderly. and i thought of the many positive things you could say about rahm emanuel, organized was not at the top of the list i would have written. >> i think they didn't like they were not invited to as many meetings. i think plouffe was also interested in cutting people out. sure, there was also a lot of response from capitol hill in these articles. and, in fact, frankly, had the

fingerprints of capitol hill grumbling more so than inside the west wing. the beef of the congressional democrats is what? >> i think congressional democrats are frustrated because they don't have a voice in the white house. they can't go up there anymore. when rahm was in the white house, they knew rahm, rahm got some of them elected when he was dccc chairman in 2006. as a result, they're being shut out of a lot of policy discussions. >> here is the quote. daly has no understanding of the congressional process and he doesn't want to understand the process. the entire senate democratic caucus has a problem with daley. i have a feeling that a little bit is inside -- >> that's not his skill set. he's not a member of congress, wasn't brought in to do that. remember, rahm was one of them. so what we see here is a lot of bruised egos. what we see is a lot of people not invited to the white house. we see the president not returning their phone calls but daly returning their phone calls. this is consistent with the obama campaign. back in 2008 when a lot of

washington insiders were upset with the obama campaign because they thought perhaps this was -- they weren't hands-on enough. this is very typical of washington, d.c. >> its my understanding that team obama on the campaign side wants to fight back, wants to punch some of these congressional democrats quietly and say, hey, guys, rally around the team. and you see that in this memo this morning from david axelrod, now on the campaign side of things and he writes, members of the media have focus on the president's approval rating as if they existed in a black box. the approval rating dropped to historic low, despite what you hear in elite commentary, the president's support among base voters and in key demographic groups has stayed strong. and he used some poll numbers to show this. a little bit of a, quote, remain calm, all is well to some democrats. but at the same time, trying to get a little feistier in tone. >> i think so. the real work they have to do is behind the scenes with congressional democrats, need to

be meeting with these guys. and more so than just stay calm, everything is going to be fine. they need to be bringing them together and getting them on message again. >> all right. we saw yesterday david plouffe, who doesn't go to capitol hill as often, for instance, as david axelrod did. it was he and gene sperling and stephanie cutter that went down there to brief senate democrats. and it seemed like it went better. >> that was after we heard quotes saying maybe we'll take this piecemeal, there is a big resistance. i think the white house may expect they're going to get this bit by bit. but they don't want senate democrats saying that openly. they want a show of unity. >> but it's a larger structural problem that i think team obama has, most rank and file democrats don't believe this white house fights for anything. they don't believe this white house stands for anything. and so it's a larger structural problem that no memo will fix. >> and it's the little things. so, for instance, the speech date thing, the fact that the president caved on that. it was symbolic. emblemat emblematic. and then, forb instance, one da

david axelrod says no, we're not going to negotiate this piecemeal. and then three hours, we'll take it. >> it's the slow drips that democrats are saying you know what, i don't know what this white house -- >> stop working with these guys. they're not working with you. >> exactly. stop playing nice. >> hang on. we're going to talk about some more action on the other side, including what's going on on the republican side. but first, we had our trivia. we asked which u.s. president that we know of fathered the most children. the answer, john tyler with 15 legitimate children. he owns the record among presidents, because a lot of people had their illegitimate, smarty, snarky answers on twitter. tyler was born during george washington's presidency, his youngest child lived to see truman be president. think about that. and one of his grabbed grandchildren is still alive. we'll be right back. you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. ity. i find investments with e-trade's top 5 lists and use pre-defined screeners to work smarter. not harder. i depend on myself to take charge of my financial future. [ bell dinging ]

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okay. speaker boehner yesterday did something that i was surprised where he basically drew a line for the supercommittee on what they should consider in deficit reduction and what they should not. here's what he said. >> tax increases i think are off the table. i don't think they are a viable option for the joint committee. it's a very simple equation. tax increases destroy jobs. the joint committee is a jobs committee. its mission is to reduce the deficit that's threatening job creation in our country. >> in a previous life you had experience on capitol hill. we were told on one hand the 12 members were supposed to be separated from this process but here's the speaker saying redefining the committee. >> he's trying to frame the debate. >> talking about tax increases even though earlier this morning paul ryan came out and basically endorsed the idea of lowering tax rates even if it means

increasing tax income to the federal government. >> he's framing the debate and framing the message overall in terms of how do democrats respond to that? they respond back by saying i thought this was -- >> they are standing in the way again and everything is no longer on the table. >> puts them in an offensive position. i think speaker ba eer boehner brilliant politician in saying this is what we stand for and will die for and there's no compromise. what you notice is minority leader pelosi is nowhere to be found. >> what struck me about this is that he moved the goal post. it's almost as if daring this committee to come to a standstill and come to a gridlock because they want to have the campaign to be about taxes. >> he's also relieving himself of any responsibility if they don't make their deadline or they do in fact have to get an increase somewhere. it's not my fault. it's these guys that's on the committee. >> ari, the white house didn't push -- what i found interesting

is they are dealing with their own messes this week but they didn't jump on this because it certainly all parts of that speech yesterday was speaker boehner in polite terms throwing out any idea of compromise. >> he said there's no way to negotiate with president obama again. we tried that. it didn't work. if there is any sort of crack in the doorway, speaker boehner says closing loopholes in the tax code is not a tax increase. others disagree with that within the republican party. if there was any kind of room for compromise in there, i thought that was an important line. it's significant that this was really the first line in the sand drawn for these 12 members. >> quickly on the presidential race. we entered a new era there if you heard in the interview was how often he said perry versus obama. it is clear the republican party is taking sides. governors are endorsing and taking sides. >> this reminds me of the super

battle between clinton and obama in 2008. two heavy weights in the room that will duke it out. >> they won't get chased out. >> they won't get chased out but it's going to be a drag-out. are you for perry or romney? the question is who can win the general election? most people still think it's romney. >> it does feel as if it is defining inside the republican party of what kind of republican are you? are you a perry plrepublican or romney republican? >> romney represents one camp and perry represents another camp. there are two different kinds of republicans. >> i also think people are still getting to know perry in a way they've gotten to know romney over the years since he ran last time along. both have weaknesses. >> we're in battle to define -- shameless plugs. >> i'll get u.n. general assembly on next week. >> i'll be at the u.n. too. i'll be there. >> my hometown team, pittsburgh

steelers, please stop dropping the ball and giving it to the other team. please. just hold on. >> it was very embarrassing. >> i have a shameless plea. apple put out the iphone5 sooner rather than later. a shameless plea. i need the iphone5. >> my plea is go canes. espn tomorrow. let's not talk about any scandals when it comes to the miam miami/ohio state game just for two hours. coming up next, chris jansing will speak to charlie rangel and at 8:00 don't miss "andrea mitchell reports." experiencing lots of sunshine in the northeast today. temperatures much cooler in the 60s in boston and new york city.

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