is this just another way it keep taxes down for the better off? you decide. let me finish to night with rick perry's dangerous and ignorant use of the word "appeasement." we start with the president. palestinians and politics. howard fineman is a political analyst. huffington post media editorial direccor. joan walsh is editor at large for salon.com. you are both treasured editors as you both must know. today president obama told the general assembly that united

states, our country, would not support the palestinian bid to create a state through the u.n. opposing something many of the kun trits allies in the arab world strongly support. let's watch our president. >> peace will not come through statement and resolutions at the united nationes. if it were that easy, it would have been done by now. >> he also used his 47-minute address to defend a body and we know this, hostile to israel. let's listen. >> america's commitment to israel's security is unshakeable. our friendship with israel is deep and enduring. israel, a small country of less than 8 million people, look out at any world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off the map. the jewish people carry the burden of centuries of exile and persecution and fresh memories of knowing that 6 million people were killed simply because of who they are.

>> howard, you know, i've done some looking up like we all of of his political history. he has a short political history but coming up with the friends he's made the supporterer's he's had. people he's close to in terms of thinking at night. they used to say people he meets at midnight. people he talks to say he is pro israeli. he may not be as much as george w. bush was in a mechanical way but this chorj charge of appease many by ker kerry today, your thoughts. >> talking to people on both sides of the aisle and this issue today, i didn't hear one, including a republican whose very involved in pro israel republican jewish activities, who praised rick perry for using that word. matt brooks, head of the republican jewish coalition -- >> good guy. i've known him a long time. >> good guy. i asked him about perry, he

said, he, matt, was traveling. he didn't get it hear the whole thing. he thinks it is good that perry supports -- >> now, you're watching buddy. let's see if he can catch the drift of this thing. don't ever mention the holocaust in any other context but the holocaust. don't mention appeasement in other other context but 193, ladies and gentlemen. you have to be a real knuckle head. i'm saying he sure i is one but you have to be a knuckle head to do this. he let's listen. >> we're equally indiggent in of the obama administration and their middle east policy of appeasement that is encouraged such an ominous act of bad faith. simply put, we would not be here today at this very precipous of a move if obama in the middle

east wasn't naive, arrogant, misguided and dangerous. >> who is writing this, joan? this is the language you use when you go to war with another country. not the language you use about your own president as he is about to address the united nations and when he will give a strong defense, stand up there all alone in the world pretty much. i don't know who is voting with israel, we are for sure. any president right now would be. but here he is about to stand there all alone in the world. this guy pulls the rug out from under him. accused of pro nazi behavior. we know what appeasement means. go ahead. >> he is pulling hitler into it. a very horrible thing to do. it is ignorant chris. he has gone beyond what some israelis want. he is calling for maybe the u.s. should cut off its aid to the palestinian authority. our aid funds security there. sew knows nothing about this issue. he is ignorant as ignorant can

be. he is also playing politics. because rick perry knows, he will have a really hard time getting the jewish vote if he shoe be nominated. a single rab priest. he is very scary to some jewish people. he will double db down for have the end of days. >> not end of days but he did say that he comes to his support for israel out of his christian faith. which is not really a geo-political way it approach. it is theological -- >> so i'm directed to do this. we don't always agree my buddy joe. here he is on morning joe. he went after perry reckless, when the president of the united states is in high

level of negotiations. listen to joe right now. >> this is not helpful when our president, our president, america's president, is in the difficult situation that he is in today in new york city. with i think, one of the most explosive situations on the globe. we have rick perry and mitt romney posing for political purposes, and undermining our president. that is dangerous. it is not good for our country. >> well said. out of the diplomatical area. rick perry, as he shows up there. let's talk about this, politics. what is he running in? the iowa caucuses. you are smiling what. do you want to do in iowa. t

tom -- >> the end of days. old testament. >> the strategy is, i will worry about tomorrow, tomorrow. he is going straight after evangelical votes, the suburbs of desmoins. >> the palin bus. >> yes. and the idea that israel needs to flourish, needs to thrive. needs to have the in gathering of the jews to the holly land before rapture is a big one in evangelical christianity. and a hard line on israel is a big thing for certain, conservative jews as well. >> that is not a factor in iowa.

he will take whatever benefit that brings him later on. >> into the geo-politics. it seems, rick perry is doing in an infantile way, jump up and down practically with a bull horn and take sides with those who want to annex the west bank, and create a larger israel for the the end of days so the christian rite will have what they have, the end of the world on their terms. it is incredible. >> at some point, sadly the jews go away. >> depending on the choice we make. yes. >> sorry. i don't expect this. anyway. >> politics as we know it in this country, extreme politics on the right. fundamentalist in our politics. >> we need to say this is what he is talking about. this is where you wind up if you are a jewish person, and you make friends with rick perry in

the evangelical rite. this is what will happen to your land and you. >> i don't think there is anything wrong with discussing this. it is an issue for american viewers, the united states supports everybody in the region. we care about it a lot. i agree with joe. you don't be this naked about politics on the morning of the president giving a difficult speech at the united nations. you don't do it. there is no sense of proportion or decency in the way this is being handled. >> decency is -- indecent. i have not been tough on him personally,im personally offend by what he did today. before that meeting, the prime minister had this to say on president obama vetoing.

>> standing your ground, takinging this position of principle, the right position to achieve peace, i think this is a badge of honor. i want to thank you for wearing that badge of honor. >> howard and joan, it not b.b., he say strong leader. perry is out of his league here. he knows that president obama will be treated well in the jewish community, because of this stand he is taking, opposing any palestinian state being created under these circumstances. i think think he went up to to pull the rug out from under him. >> went up there to try. the president is standing on the rug, in part to netnet, that badge of honor -- >> you think it will show up in a new york general election. >> you will see that picture all

over florida. maybe not in the panhandle, but from orlando, south that was worth its weight in gold. >> b.b. upons what he is doing, he knows american politics as well as he knows israel politics. >> he went to the high school, up the street from -- >> we are trying to reach out to the newly democratic states, he cares deeply. it will cost us, if it comes to a veto, it costs us with those communities. it is definitely not a decision with no negative ramifications. >> it is a strong suit for the president to wear. i think he is doing what he has to do. sometimes, the right thing is what you have to do. what you have to do is the right thing.

that is what he is doing. coming up, president obomba finds his populist voice. my friends love what he is doing. not mark pen it. is not surprising, bobby strum was going after him, hammering him hard personally, by the way. mark is coming on to defend himself, saying the president is wrong to go left on this issue. you are watching "hardball" i want healthy skin for life.

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not much of a spread against palin. she has been behind the president by 20 all year long. more about him than her. she now leads obama with notwithstandings.

independent. >> class warfare, they say. you know what, if asking a billionaire to play the same rate as a plumber or a teacher, makes me a warrior for the middle class, i wear it as a badge of honor. >> that is two. defending his plan to raise taxes on the wealthy, mark pen joins us now, he said it is a

misguided strategy: >> david corn, washington bureau chief. you are not going to get excited, strum said awful things about you. worse off camera. just kidding. the fact that the the fact, a lot of progressives watching this show, some moderate demrats and democrats and republicans watch this show. he is in tough shape. neck and neck with sarah palin now, losing to independents to her. or go a bit over to the progressive side. and really stick it to the other side. go after the rich people.

from the french revolution. your prescription, sir. >> i love bob. mr. class warfare himself. i think that we have been down this play book before. this is the time to go to the center, the way bill clinton d this is not time not to bring decisive measures, particularly for president obama, he got half of the 26% that earn over $100,000 in this country, and the votes from those making under $30,000. he has to bring them together, this is the wrong way to do that. >> we have a poll that shows that two-thirds of the people say go after those people that make over 200 k. >> those polls have been that way for a long time. majority will be for taxing a

minority. at the polls, it doesn't work out that way. three of those points came over the over 300,000 crowd. he has to bring people together. the decisive strategy doesn't work. moving to the center, isolating the republicans as being against medicare, medicare, education and the environment that is the strategy that worked. not for being for trillions of dollars in tax increases. >> it seems he has been the middle of the road, he has gotten stuck. the people don't like him being wishy wishy. >> one is negotiating, one is is messaging. mark conceded, most polls show you, 60 to 70%, if you talk about his approach to balancing the budget with a combination of cuts, and some revenue increases. there is a negotiating stance.

every time he has come out there and try to take a more center position, the republicans have kicked him in the teeth. he can't negotiate from that position. it was bill clinton, back in 1992 who you know, who raised taxes. >> you are saying, don't be a lefty, doesn't he have to start on the left to get to the center, with debt reduction. >> no, he has to take a strong position, rejecting the extreme republican ideology. they want to eliminate medicare and social security. me, president obama, i am going to protect them. have a smaller, activist government f we have to raise taxes, i will hold the line, and not divide the the country when i raise -- >> i think, the president came out with a tax plan. raise taxes on the rich, and he

is doing you are saying to do, make the republicans cut the programs, social security, medicare, and medicaid, doing what you want the without your rhetoric? >> that message doesn't -- he should never have accepted the rhetoric of the debt ceiling in the first place. >> are you saying he is talking- -- talking about going back to the clinton era level of taxation. mark pen was advising -- this is what he is talking about. >> it is -->> it is not about the policies. what is the message that american public is hearing? they are hearing he is for trillions in tax increases. going into the election with a

walter mondale-type strategy. make the republicans pay the price. as clinton made them pay a big price, with tough negotiations, he has to be for expanding the economy, going into the international economy, putting money into new areas. he is not doing that. that is not his message. >> from the state of the union, education, invasion and building. the job speech. he gets, i don't understand what you want him to do? dealing with hostage takers, you look at the jobs plan, a lot of that, as he says, has been supported in the past by republicans. it polls well whether or not it is good policy, and trying to come up with a reasonable approach. >> why is it mark, how come this week, my lefty friends, plog me and e-mail me all the time. happy to be called left, they are thrilled, thrilled with this

president this week. finally, listening to us. going after the rich, who aren't paying their share. isn't this animating the base, doing what he is doing? >> doesn't it tell you everything that you need to know? he -- not about limiting the size of government. people see, he will take the positions that he took during the presidential campaign and they want him to bring the groups together, for negotiations. >> can't raise taxes, can't cut the social problems, you are leaving him with no move at all. >> he -- look, he can take a tough position, make the republicans pay. come up with some cut that is make sense. you know what, if he wants to have tax reform to raise revenue, do it in a way that is not class warfare. capital and labor, brought those

taxes together, didn't discriminate what they made. all the higher wage earners -- those who voted for obama. -- >> it says, no matter how much you make, you should pay no less than people that make less than you? you are getting at it? i think it makes sense. >> that would be class warfare. >> seriously. >> mark doesn't like it- -- mark said, if you make money the old fashioned way, and pay taxes, you shouldn't get away with coupon clipping. is that what are you saying? >> i worked on a plan this many years ago, if you close the taxes, what you do as the professionals, the natural supporters for barack obama, the coupon clippers would pay more, it wouldn't be -- >> the buffet rule, everybody

should pay the same percentage. >> you have to change tax rates to make that happen. raising a lot of the capital gains rates. >> the president is not opposed to that. >> more opposed than you think. >> i don't think the president is not doing a lot what mark is suggesting. he has talked about being above the fray and trying to come up with a reasonable plan. the other side is not giving him the latitude to do that. >> against unfairness. with the the buffet rule. the american people if he fights with fairness at the top, thank you. up next, this one works.

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>> back to "hardball" and back to the sideshow. stealing a line from sarah palin. there is a shocker. >> all that hopy, changy stuff, as they say. that was real. that wasn't something worth being cynical about. it is still there, in the midst of this hardship. but it is hard. >> don't think it slipped by anyone, hopy, changy. >> speaking of recycling campaign jargon. this is one from mitt romney. the "corporations are people too" line. hoping we would forget, forget about it.

>> i was in iowa the other day, someone said, why not raise corporatio corporations taxes? why not? because korpgzs are people. >> xhochb humanity with big corporations, i don't think he gets it. you are watching "hardball" only on msnbc.

>> i am -- the state of georgia executed troy davis, after the u.s. supreme court denied a stay of execution. davis' case drew national attention, after a number of high profile politicians and

officials came out in support of a new trial based on weak evidence, and based on 7 of 9 key witnesses recanted their testimony against davis. the 42-year-old was convicted of gung down a savannah police officer 22 years ago. davis repeated his claim of innocence, and asked the family of the murderered officer to search for the real killer. white suppreme cyst was execute ed. now, bat to "hardball." >> welcome back to "hardball." we are 90 minutes from the execution of troy davis.

we talked about him, davis and his defense team are fighting for his life, as they try to get a reprieve in. now, joining us, cynthia tucker and barry shek from the innocence project. how long have you been involved in studying the case for mr. davis? >> five, six years now. >> what was your immediate interest, and when did you make this judgment of innocence? >> we saw, there was eyewitnesss to this incident that were taken back to the crime scene, brought all together, a re-enactment was performed. one witness came in and told everyone else where they were, what she saw. the eyewitness evidence in this case, based on everything that you we know from the psychology

and the hard data was fraught with risk. then, after that, there the subject of the latest appeal. now, it turns out that there was forensic evidence. a bullet that was recovered from officer mcfael. they both came from the same gun. the georgia bureau of investigation said that evidence is unreliable, there is no evidence that bullets came from the same gun. one of the jurors testified in

front of the board saying she is a supporter of the death penalty, said she would never have voted to execute mr. davis, if she would have known they were fired from the same gun. you look at bill sessions, prodeath penalty, mark white, former governor of texas, executed 22 people. was an attorney general in that case. bob barr, from georgia. they say there is too much doubt in this case. shouldn't be an execution. >> the other guy involved in beating up the homeless person somehow got a gun with the same ballistic evidence left behind as apparently the guy convicted of this crime. got ahold of the gun and did the shooting is that your theory of the crime? >> the theory is, there was a man named red coles, he was

there. the first person that came forward, he said troy davis did it. he knew troy was at the scene. >> i thought they were both involved in beating up the homeless guy. >> it is not clear that is an allegation. the point is that davis came upon coles beating up the guy. coal system saying the opposite. there are no incredible eyewitnesses. >> i am trying to figure out what is the reasonable argument, that something else happened. >> there is plenty of reasonable arguments. >> what did happen then? >> well, the defense theory is a simple one. that coles is a guy that did the shooting, it was his gun, no gun was recovered. the theory that was put before the jury by the prosecution, there had been a shooting earlier that night. they allege that troy davis did that shooting that wounded someone. >> the shell casings matched up.

>> that's right, they said that shell casings from the prior shooting and the officer shootings matched up and came from the same gun it. now, everybody agrees, the georgia bureau investigation believes that is wrong. the reason that is so important, they argued to the jury he was worried about having committed the shooting earlier than night. so it made sense, he did it with the same gun, that was the prosecution theory, there is no forensic basis for that argument.

>> you cover these kinds of cases, are you from down there, the jury, the parole board, the supreme court, the federal judge, nobody wants to stop this execution. it looks like it is going to happen. why do you see the disequality before the manifest lack of existing evidence against it, and the refusal of the the process to stop? >> well, you are asking the 64,000 question, of course, why is it, with all of the evidence that raises more than reasonable doubt, many reasonable doubts, why is it that death train keeps rolling? the only answer i can think of is that in a conservative state it, a conservative criminal

justice system, and the board board of pardons and paroles, part of the larger criminal justice system, they are reluctant to admit the system may have made a mistake. invested in the idea that we did it right the first time that is the only thing i can think of. they were committed to this idea, no mistakes were made. we did it right the first time. we just don't want to reopen this. >> aren't some of the participants, why would the fresh recruits to the the parole board feel any responsibility to uphold a decision made before? >> it was only a 3-2 vote. that is what word is. 3-2. >> it was a close vote. remember, the people chose them for the board of pardons and paroles in georgia are likely to be law and order types,

conservatives who believe in the support, i happen to believe that you protect the system best by reopening the case when you have new evidence. there are many people who believe, no, you protect the system against assault this is an assault on the criminal justice system. >> barry, let me ask you this philosophical thing. a lot of people have problems with the decisions, a lot of people believe that o.j. simpson was involved in the murders. if someone gets punished and their life taken when they aren't guilty s that something worse than someone getting off who is guilty? >> we have 275 people with post-conviction dna evidence, it is only present in 5% of criminal cases what. about all the other ones,

eyewitness misidentification, perhaps it happened in the troy davis case, or bad forensics evidence that we know happened in the troy davis case. >> we where out of time. we will have you back in our second edition at 7:00. i want to talk to you about the very things are bringing up. thank you as always. coming back for the live edition at 7:00, perhaps after the execution, we will see. this is "hardball" only on msnbc.

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>> you did a column today about this how did you take the clothes off this argument that everybody makes 200 to 250,000t

>> go over there and fight the war, everybody does. what happened to that idea? >> the interesting thing, you see obama talking about the buffet rule. >> a few thousand, maybe as few as a thousand people.

>> would pay a lower tax rate it. is not such a large thing. >> what about the people who make all their money off their money- -- my corporation is not -- >> more coupon clippers out there, i see them with the yachts, i don't think they are out there sweating like a working person. >> this is true, chris. >> this guy is smart. why i think rick perry dishonored this country today. and doesn't get what an american president is supposed to be. america the president speaks for america at the u.n.

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>> we finish tonight with this, apiecement. back in 1938, it is what neville chamberlain did, giving the naz iregime a chance to take the land he wanted. yielding to hitler, the democracy sent him the signal, they would not fight. he could grab all he wanted. failure to take a stand,poland, harder to defend. setting it up for an opportunity and take what they wanted for

themselves. the word apiecement, this viable word, carrying the tremor of evil with it. the history of the holocaust, they ought to know what they are saying. they should be ashamed of themselves for being so ignorant. yesterday, the leading party for his party's nomination, accused the president of the united states of apiecement. governor perry's charge, hours before the president was to speak for our country in the clear national interest of israel, with the u.s.'s decision to veto a palestinian state was a shameful act. meant to undermine the president, when he would be standing practically alone in the world, standing with our ally, israel. at this moment of national challenge, with the president doing what every friend of israel understands he needed to do, the person from texas,

spotted his chance. he showed up in new york to make his diplomatic debut. mr. perry, you did our president a disservice, our country a dishonor, you don't understand the role of the presidency in our national list life. we should all stand behind him. if you don't get that you don't get us, much less the job of representing us, which the president did so well and courageously today. i have have you no sense of decency, sir. at long last have you