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at once. innovations like these are extending our reach so you can extend yours. and now, even at 30,000 feet you can still touch the ground. the macphail family and friends sat in the first row. warden read the order, asked if troy davis had anything to say and davis lifted his head up, looked at the first row and made a statement in which he said, he wanted to talk to the macphail family and said that despite the situation you're in, he was not the one who did it. he said to the prison staff, the ones he said who are going to take my life, he said to them, may god have mercy on your souls and his last words were to them, may god bless your souls. >> that was jon lewis, a radio reporter down in georgia. he was one of the witnesses to the execution of 42-year-old troy davis, who was killed by
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lethal injection, pronounced dead at 11: 08 p.m. he was put on death row for the 1989 murder of off-duty police officer mark macphail. davis put off eating his final meal, hoping he would be granted a stay like three times in the past but not this time. executed despite seven of the nine witnesses recanning his story and no physical evidence linking him to the cry. troy davis maintained he was innocent and he was not alone in that. lilliana who has been joining me all morning. i want to talk to you about this because this is something you've covered, written about for years and years and years. this is your beat. one of the things that got lost is can you give us a brief run through of the actual circumstances of the crime itself, because that seemed to nowhere appear in the coverage and i was confused about what actually happened that night and maybe that's because we don't know. >> it is partly because we don't
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entirely know because it was 20 years ago. you gave a pretty good summary of what people say about this case. what happened in 1989 was that mark macphail, off-duty police officer was coming to the rescue of a homeless man being beaten by a group of people. among -- within that group somewhere was troy davis, although it's not entirely clear. there's obviously all of these accounts that have come out after the fact. the point is macphail was shot and killed. and at least nine nonpolice witnesses claimed to have seen this happened. it was on those testimonies that the conviction hinged. otherwise, as you said, there was no physical evidence linked to -- linking troy davis to the crime. there was no murder weapon ever recovered. one of the nine witnesses who testified against troy davis was a man named sylvester red coles who matched the description given by a number of witnesses who had seen this transpire and was one of the only ones that
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didn't recant his testimony and maintained it was davis. it's a messy case. what's made it messy is recan tagss came out ten years after the fact. >> why do you think this case -- i was sort of struck by, first of all, how powerful the movement to sort of save troy davis was but also how galvanizing it was. why do you think this case captured people's imagination or attention? >> clearly, the possibility of his innocence. i think that was very compelling to people, especially after we've seen 138 death row exonerations in this country, you know, since 1976. that's a huge number. we have this resistance, people really resist being told there are innocent people on death row, troy davis is innocent although we exonerated all of these people. that's a big part of it. full disclosure, i've been an activist against the death penalty. something i've worked on as an activist for years. troy davis's case encapsulated
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so many problems with the death penalty as it functions today. it's carried out or it's supplied in a clearly racist manner. it punishes the poor. it's poor people who are on death row, not rich people. and, of course, it condemns innocent people to die. we've seen that demonstrated again and again. so, i think that, you know, troy davis put a human face on all of those things. you could wallpaper the supreme court with the studies that have been done about racial inequality, class inequality, all of these things. when you have a human face, a name and a case that people start to recognize, i think that's what really drives this home for people. so, i think that was really what was behind this energy around this execution. it's important to remember also this was actually the fourth time troy davis had faced execution, that had come within an hour, within minutes literally of execution. so, i think it's really opened up, i hope it's opened up, a discussion about the death penalty. >> has it, though? i wonder -- i think it's been
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interesting how much the death penalty seemed to disappear at the national level, national prominence seems back and so much because of that chilling moment in the debate and people applauded and rick perry, who is running, executes more than any other state. actually there was an execution in texas this week. do you think therecy chance of breaking through or is this a settled matter? >> it depends. this is hopelessly anecdotal, looking on twitter the last week or so, and i follow death penalty yishgz very closely, all manner of people, all political persuasions on twitter. everybody was talking about this execution. it was on everyone's radar. people who have never said a word about social justice matters, they were all over this. it was really kind of interesting because it was the first really high profile execution to take place in the kind of age of twitter and to see that play out in that way. it made me think, okay, there's
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a raised awareness around this. when it comes to the political level, national level, in terms of the presidential election, no, i don't necessarily think it will break through but i think rick perry's record will certainly be relevant. the problem is that democrats have kind of painted themselves into a political corner when it comes to -- i mean, they can't really criticize perry for his record considering death penalty has become the de facto issue. >> you can support the supreme court, saying the death penalty is constitutional. the premises of that decision is that it's going to be applied fairly, equally, carefully. none of those things are happening. so, you can support the death penalty and still say, this is absolutely outrageous. >> do you support the death penalty? >> i -- i -- i -- >> i put on you the spot. >> you have put me on the spot because i go -- i totally oppose the death penalty the way the united states is currently
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imposing it. i think it may be possible that you could have -- you can certainly have societies where you have the death penalty, majority supports it. this is outrageous. this is a violation of everything the united states is supposed to stand for. this is, as many republicans said, upholding finality of a verdict more than the accuracy of a verdict. it's saying it's more important to say, have you to die because we said you're going to die than that -- >> it wasn't just republicans. >> no, i said as republicans and democrats have said. to be a country to say it's more important to say this verdict is final more than accurate. you don't get convicted unless you're convicted beyond a reasonable doubt is completely wrong. >> you can't have it both ways. >> we may not be able to then you shouldn't have the death penalty. >> the death penalty doesn't work as it should in the theoretical realm. i think one can make a theater cal case for the death penalty but we've seen time again and again and again -- >> that's why i'm saying democrats who say i support the
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death penalty can be completely opposed to the fact that we cannot administer the death penalty equally. >> we've been here before. when the supreme court -- when i -- i believe it was the brennan court, right, found -- suspended, found it unconstitutional and then reversed years later, found unconstitutional because it said the way we're implementing it right now is -- violates people's rights. now fixed, now constitutional again. so we're seeing the same thing. you have to say there's something inherent as opposed -- >> i think that's where the interesting wedge is becoming on the issue. i think you're right that it's sort of like communist. if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. the death penalty has remained in this country for decades. when saw in the davis case was the beginning of a sort of wedge question which is, well, maybe you do sment the death penalty in theory but like you oppose it
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in the way it's practiced. the realization people don't understand we -- scalia wrote it's important, necessary you have due process but not necessary that you actually be guilty is, i think, morally shocking to people. people might say, yes, i would like to see murderers and i would like to see terrorists and other executed but to say i'm not comfortable of doing it that knowing on some deep level innocent people be executed along with them. >> i want to show this for a second just to the viewers. this is the company we keep in terms of executions. the top ten countries in terms of executions. do we have that? china, we have 1,000. iran, 252. north korea, 60.53. the united states, 46. saudi arabia, 27. libya, 18. syria, 17. bangladesh, 9. somalia, which does not have a functioning state, i'm not sure where the 8 come from, but to me
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that is one of the most -- that -- putting that on the screen. and i don't think -- it doesn't necessarily mean that's going to persuade the 65% of people who are for the death penalty but that seems like a sort of grim company in certain -- >> one observation i'd like to make about that is that in popular support for the death penalty in britain where it's not been legal for a very long time, 65% of the population, that's true across europe and an elite consensus is there it shouldn't be in place -- >> elite consensus for all of these reasons. that's exactly right. >> the other thing i want to throw out about the racism of the criminal justice system, ed glazer years ago conducted a fascinating study looking at vehicular homicide. no question of if this person is a drug dealer. he found black victims, people who killed them would get lower sentences. people talk about racism of the criminal justice system in the sense that people of disadvantaged backgrounds
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getting tougher sentences. actually it's the opposite. victim characteristics seem to matter. if the victim is nonwhite you'll get away with less of presumption, which is a bigger scandal. >> look at the incarceration rates, come on. >> victim characteristics it would be worse. i think that my own view is that when you're looking at the mass incarceration problem, the troy davis case is in my opinion appalling and tragic but also part of a larger failure on the part of your legislators, your elected legislators who are the people who, for example, you have corruption and collusion at crime labs, systematic failures at every level. have you states passing laws saying i can't rid yoe tape a police officer engaging in abuses. it's not just at the level of the judge or the trial or the last minute stay of execution. it's about a systematic problem with the criminal justice system. >> that's an important point. actually, some of the hallmarks of the troy davis case, what's
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so twisted about this, is that a huge deal has been made of the seven out of nine recanting, and the avid said these witnesses signed saying i was threatened by the police, coerced, intimidated, some were very young people. these are classic hallmarks of the criminal justice system in general. wrongful convictionses come largely out of that kind of police intimidation all the time. but so do, you know, regular convictions. >> and there's increasingly -- also a social scientific aspect, growing literature about the lack of dependability of eyewitness recall. people essentially -- say that again? >> it's the leading cause of wrongful convictions, eyewitness identification. >> and not necessarily in bad faith. what happens is people -- a face is introduced, a name is introduced and people subconsciously go back and reconstruct a version of events that places that person because memory is not -- is not a static thing. we are constantly going back into our memory and sort of
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reconstructing it. so, you get this real unreliable -- >> we love prosecutors who get results, whatever that means. >> but it's interesting -- sorry. i wanted to add that's especially true with cross-racial eyewitness identification. especially in those cases. >> i want to go back to this point about a majority. this is a case in which no matter what the majority thinks f we are violating fundamental constitutional rights, our democracy is set up in such a way that the minority gets protected. that you -- if -- i mean, a majority of southerners supported segregation, too, when we outlawed it, right. a majority of americans support all sorts of things that would actually lead to the -- >> sometimes they're right. >> you want to say that's an equal violation of rights, go ahead, but -- >> i would absolutely never say that, anne-marie, and -- >> but you really did say a majority of people -- a majority of people in europe do support the death penalty but the government has decided it cannot be applied fairly.
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it is not consistent with our values, so we're going to outlaw it. i want to make the point that if, in fact, we cannot apply this fairly. i tend to agree with ezra, i'm not sure we can, regardless of what a majority thinks, our constitution says we have to outlaw it. >> two points about public opinion. one thing that's shown to be true over the years is that -- well, theatrical support for the death penalty remains pretty high, especially in recent years, when you introduce an alternative sentence, would you support death penalty versus life without parole, death penalty support goes down. that's true. a study done last year was comprehensive that showed in death penalty states people who are polled showed -- a majority of the people polled in death penalty states in one study said it would make no difference in their support for a political candidate if they were against the death penalty which is such a crucial statistic, especially now. i want the democrats to -- >> right. that's -- that gets to this point of preference versus intensity. sometimes when something goes
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off the national stage, that can actually be better. this is always my great sort of hope about the politics of crime in the criminal justice system, which is that at the moment when you have crime explosion in the '70s, you wrote about this in the book, when you had a huge crime explosion it gave birth to this politics around crime, around law and order we're still living with the legacy of which, even in an era in which that crime is diminished -- >> exploited by the correctional industry, i should say. >> right. what ends up happening hopefully as the temperature comes down, that you can start to re-examine that and not pay the price of a 30-second ad saying you support killers walking free. >> i think this ends up being the ultimate problem. a lot of lodegislator who would like to take that step but you don't want to be the guy that introduces that bill because then something goes wrong later -- the classic example with willie horton. the issue isn't getting public opinion. as you say, public opinion is complicated. it is getting politicians who
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are naturally very risk-averse to be willing to take that first step because they don't feel they have the support which goss ryan's point. this is fundamentally a matter for democracy. there will need to be that support before politicians are willing to get there. elites are not going to do this on their own. no way. >> we're going to take a break right here. rick perry good bad reviews for his debate performance for advocating that people have a heart. ♪♪ [ female announcer ] the road is not exactly a place of intelligence. highway maintenance is underfunded, costing drivers $67 billion a year, and countless tires. which drivers never actually check because they're busy, checking email. this is why we engineered a car that makes 2,000 decisions every second. the new audi a6 is here. the road is now an intelligent place. ♪
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there was a conversation in break that was interesting. tell us what you were saying. you thought rick perry's presence in the debates is the best thing that ever happened to mitt romney.
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>> oh, i think it's energizing that romney, putting romney in a better light for lots of people by contrast. above all it's putting romney in a spotlight that is playing to his strengths and comparison. it's energizing. >> you can see the beaming joy on his face every time he gets -- i'm serious. standing next to rick perry. he's standing there going, do it, dude. i'm going to slay you. >> it might make him look smug, look nerdy -- >> the exchange i thought that was probably in the sense of the primary field played best to romney was this exchange. we don't have the exchange but governor perry defending a bill he signed into law in texas which allowed children of undocumented workers who were here -- who came to the states as children to attend in-state -- pay in-state tuition at the university of texas. this is perry defending it.
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>> if you say that we should not educate children who have come into our state for no other reason than they've been brought there by no fault of their own, i don't think you have a heart. texans voted on it and i still support it greatly. >> senator santorum -- >> those are boos, by the way, in case you could not tell. some cheers. some cheers and some boos. and let's give a little cheer to the people that were cheering. because the crowds at the gop debate have been getting scrutiny on our network here. i want to play you this clip which is a reaction shot from franc lutz. he's asking, what was the worst moment in the debate and this is someone answering that question? >> absolutely disgusting thing to say, when you hold up free health care or free education to people who want to get their children served in their lives
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served, that's a temptation to come. that's actually putting people's lives at risk. it's not a compassionate thing to hold up. >> that's a stanley greenberg argument, the democratic pollster, he made a very similar argument about what are the sentiments motivating a lot of anti-undocumented worker sentiment. his argument is that a lot is actually a sense of fairness and that these are people breaking the rules. so, that's why they must not be rewarded. >> i thought the keyword was served. i thought the way romney framed this was ingenious and devilish. he compared it to out of state tuition. he said there's this huge gap between in state and out of state tuition because states are squeezed so they're getting more rich kids from out of state to make up the budget gap. $100,000 benefit we're giving. i thought that served -- the word served there, to me, gets to the sort of emotional core of this issue. which is like this is -- the republican primary voter is not in a mood right now -- i don't know if they were ever in a
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mood, but they are not in a mood right now for other people getting benefits, for anyone getting served. >> not just benefits or served but santorum came back and said it's not that we have a problem with educating these otherwise innocent kids but it's the special privileges, special privileges for these people. that was the key phrase. >> right. >> what's stagger about it, what makes perry so strong, empowering his rise in the primary, is this texas growth record, jobs reported and that is substantially the product of, among other thing, high population growth driven by high immigration driven by a desire not to lock these people out of the job market. these people are creating jobs, creating innovation in the state. you're educating them so they can contribute to the economy. i mean, which is why perry made a mistake framing that quite so as -- people don't have a heart. >> he got -- the funny thing is he got to it in the second part of the answer. he says, you don't have a heart. he's talking about -- he says these people will be a drag on the economy. yes, ding, ding, ding, that's
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the argument you make -- >> do you to want be japan or texas? >> something very atut about what ezra said. there was a fascinating article by ron nunns, he wrote an article for "the american conservative" a magazine with a quite small audience and an argument for -- instead of using e-verify -- >> we love you. >> no, but -- >> nothing but love. >> it offers a lot of quirky id oe sin accuratic movements. the argument is that all of the strategies for combating immigration are in his view very foolish. e-verify is a civil liberties nightmare, going down through the list. he arg use what conservatives should be fighting for is a huge increase in minimum wage. increasing it to $12, you would dry up a lot of work opportunities. when you go to a state like texas, the bulk of -- he's arguing a bulk of the minimum wage jobs are worked by immigrants. he's taking a very different
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view of increasing the minimum wage versus people on the social democratic left. he's saying it really will evaporate this category of job. but if you want to curb immigration, you want to turn off what mitt romney called immigration magnet and the way to do that is to raise wages for -- >> this is why i love to have you here on a saturday morning because that's a fascinatingly bizarre and fascinating -- >> whether or not one is persuaded by the argument. >> but the argument on -- if i could get on the argument f you raise it up to $12 you'll develop a very large black market for labor. if you raise it up to $100 you have a lot of people getting around minimum wage. the problem with that, to name another demose makes this argument is that if you raise standards very, very high and then you have all these undocumented workers who aren't in the system, you create a much larger incentive for businesses to hire them because of the wage
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gap. they're so much cheaper -- >> that is why i don't endorse the run on -- >> i just point out. >> this week president obama gave a speech celebrated by the far right of israel. we'll look at what he had to say after this. my name's jeff. i'm a dad, coach, and i was a longtime smoker.
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let us be honest with ourselves. israel is surrounded by neighbors that have waged repeated wars against it. israel's citizens have been killed by rockets fired at their houses and suicide bombs on their buses. israel's children come of age knowing that throughout the region, other children are taught to hate them. israel, a small country of less than 8 million people, look out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off the map.
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the jewish people carry the burden of centuries of exile and persecution and fresh memories of knowing that 6 million people were killed simply because of who they are. >> that was president obama speaking at the u.n. on wednesday. joining me is deanna, and still with us is anne-marie slaughter, princeton university of foreign affairs. anne-marie i want to go to you first. said of this speech -- a writer, probably the warmest pro-israel speech given at an annual u.n. general assembly meeting by any president, bar none. and the most conservative member of the israel parliament and one of the most conservative member to sign this speech with with both hands.
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is barack obama -- what does it mean if barack obama is delivering a speech that lieberman is signing onto with both hands? >> have you to put that in the context that he's signing onto that because it's in the context of barack obama saying, we've got to proceed with negotiations rather than vote statehood for palestine. that's the part he's signing onto. what you didn't hear in that speech, the clip you showed, where obama said i stand for a palestinian state, i've called for a palestinian state this past year. the palestinians deserve a state. >> just not right now. >> no -- as the result of negotiations that will stand. my point is only that he was giving that part of the speech about israel to remind people that there need to be two parties to a negotiation. i don't -- i don't agree with everything we've done. we can talk about that. but i think it's not fair to imagine that barack obama stood up and only talked about israel at the u.n. he reminded people why there has to be a two-state solution and why it has to be negotiated.
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>> what was your -- mahmoud abbas delivered the petition to the u.n. general assembly. they'll take up the issue monday of admitting palestine as a state into the u.n. there were cheers in ra ma'am la and all through the west bank when that was delivered. what did you think that speech the president gave? >> of president obama's speech? >> yes. >> i thought it was entirely lacking. the fact that here was a president who made his first phone call a telephone call to president mahmoud abbas and then proceeded throughout the period of his presidency to focus on settlements and to not even hear one word about the settlements, to not hear one word about the 1967 borders, to not hear one word about palestinian suffering simply shows that what he is trying to do is trying to get himself re-elected. while this might serve for him to get reelected, it's certainly not going to give him any -- win him any favors in the middle east, particularly when he's trying to be seen as somebody who is balanced and even-handed in the so-called honest broker. >> that's not true. he did not talk specifically
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about the settlements. i think he should have. he absolutely said he wanted a palestinian state. and he did talk about palestinians sufficienting. we didn't see that just in this clip but what he was standing up there doing was talking about his own speech back in may where he said, we need a state that is based on the 1967 borders with swaps. he set out a set of parameters -- >> not in this speech. >> he did refer back to his may speech. he did talk about the need to go forward based on security and borders as fast as possible. >> israelis resident the only one who is have suffered from terrorism. >> absolutely. >> the fact that palestinians have been ethnically cleansed from their homes is something he ignored. 14,000 palestinians were killed before he became president. these are things he conveniently ignored in order to try to win himself over with israel and
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with the israel lobby. i don't think this is going to signal that he's going to change anything in the coming months. this is why i think that the palestinians were in the end forced to go ahead with this application for statehood. >> on this we agree. i actually agree palestine should have brought -- i know, you can be totally shocked. >> good news. >> that the palestinians should have brought this to the u.n. because i think we have not made progress. we have not brought israel to the table. israel has not come to the table. ultimately as long as settlements continue, you have to bring them to the table. bringing it is right. voting on it, not. >> that's anne-marie slaughter and diana buttuu. thank you so much. we will continue with what we now know we didn't know at the beginning of the week coming up. [ woman ] jogging stroller, you've been stuck in the garage,
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just had a very eventful break in which ezra did a spit of his coffee. before we talk -- >> i can't believe you tell people that. >> i don't know how close a shot you can get of our desk here. before we get into that, i cut you off. that was way too short a segment. anne-marie, i want to give you an opportunity to give the second half of what you were saying when i cut you off at the break. >> what i said is i actually think it is right for the palestinians to bring a stathood petition to the united nations because i don't think we've been successful in bringing both sides to the table. and settlements are continuing. they are watching their chances for an actual state disappear. we have to actually get negotiations going. however, i don't think that the u.n. security council should vote on this application. i certainly don't think the u.n. -- the security council should force the u.s. to veto it. i think that will drive the israelis into an ever more
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defensive and defiant crouch, which is what we've seen. we might think that's not a good idea. we might think there ought to be leverage too bring them to the table but in fact having the rest of the world against them is driving them deeper and deeper into defense. i think what you ought to do is have the possibility of that vote be the leverage that brings both sides to the table under the deadline and gets us to a solution -- >> you say, yes, strategically and leveraged and also yes to not voting on it. >> that's right. >> interestingly at the gop debate the other night, i thought this was the most fascinating moment on foreign policy specifically. they did a -- do we have the word cloud from fox's word cloud of questions? >> now to the topic of foreign topics. all the sevens on foreign policies, israel is the biggest word. these are actually the words used in questions. >> that is the biggest cheer a word cloud has ever gotten.
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but it was -- you know, it was remarkable to me the sum total of foreign policy discussion in the republican party right now seems israel is great, we have to defend israel. israel is our ally. and then, nothing else. literally nothing else. and i can't make sense of it. you're living in the time where world is perilous frout and this is the -- >> one point about that. in the late 1970s the core central defining conservative foreign policy issue was the panama canal zone treaty. and ronald reagan fiercely opposed the panama canal zone treaty, debated bill buckley. it was a national barn-storming issue. no one really cares about the panama canal zone now. the treaty happened. worked out just fine. but there are these issues that connect with identity politics. regardless of the coalition, things that actually speak to what is your core, what do you
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care about. the panama canal zone debate was about sovereignty. we'll give up florida next. similarly, this is about who we are, what are our values and who are our friend and how do we treat our friends. >> that's the other thing that's fascinating is that not just panama canal but the sort of continuation of much bush-era foreign policy initiatives in the obama administration. just the fact that iraq is now fairly consensus what we're doing there, afghanistan similarly, has taken a lot of issues that could have been definitional in the campaign off the table. it is very hard to know unless you're going to sort of argue for a much more accelerated draw down of afghanistan or iraq. it is hard for the gop field to really differentiate because in the past they've supported quite similar policies. israel is ort of left on the table as a way to get around the obama administration. >> and even that, even that being played as a wedge issue, we have -- rick perry was banging the drum on it in new york, it's almost like he didn't read the president's speech. they're trying to get to the
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right of the president on israel and lieberman is saying i could sign on with both hands. there's no room even there. >> indeed, even the israeli right was urging congress not to cut off aid to the palestinian authority because that, in fact, harms israeli security. as palestinian authority loses the ability to police its own territory, that is not good. >> we have to go to break. >> what do we know we didn't know a week ago? i'm so sorry. that is up next. ♪ [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good... no! bigger! bigger! [ monica ] ...because i don't think we're going anywhere for a while. [ male announcer ] write your story with the new citi simplicity card. no late fees. no penalty rate. no worries. get started at citisimplicity.com.
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last week i said the president's job act called for $35 million for school modernization, the correct figure is $30 million, and the number of schools it ames to renovate is 30,000. right now it's time for a preview of "weekends with alex witt." what's coming up now? >> i'm scared. thank you for setting the bartha high, chris. when we do have big news from space this morning. that dead satellite hurdling toward earth missed people, we think, in an overnight tweet nasa says it broke into the atmosphere over the pacific ocean although the exact time and location have yet to be known. the picture you're looking at there, you'll see it in a second, a light seen over san diego. it's presumed to be that one-time six-ton satellite heading to earth. a big day for republican presidential hopefuls with the florida straw poll this afternoon and results early this evening. and what could the u.s. learn
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from ministers' questions in the uk? to us it looks like a screamfest. we'll talk with msnbc's martin bashir who tells us that type of style could stop the grid lock in washington. something to think about. >> sounds great. that's "weekends with alex witt" right after "up." what do we know now? we know mitt romney who referred to us in the middle class at a town hall this week is desperately confused about where he is in the american pecking order. we know from disclosure forms romney's net wealth is between $190 and $250 million. we know even if romney doesn't that puts him in the first percentile of american wealth. we know by us he apparently meant anyone with less than half a billion in assets. thanks to the new forbes 400 list we know charles and david coke have managed to increase their personal net worth a whopping 79% since march 2009. this in spite of the ceaseless
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oppression they bear under barack obama's collective experiment. they are still sitting pretty in their own version of inequality. we know president obama is a red blooded warrior for the middle class and no longer a detached professor of math. we know when republican front-runners get past the word israel their knowledge of foreign policy drops off a cliff. relatedly, we now know conservative intelligence is officially panicked about its field. we now know 30% of americans are obese. approximately 10 0% increase from 25 years ago. the number one factor of why that is, a new study finds it's because people are smoking less. now we know republican congressman mccotter is no longer running for president. but more importantly, we know he is bummed. quote, bummed, that r.e.m. is splitting up and given his guitar hero aspirations -- >> we will miss you. ♪
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>> bummedness derives from realization, we'll never be able to join the band. now we know jack lu has the awesomist signature ever. you might as well bust out the dr. seuss-like scrawl that you can. we now know it wasn't such a threat to our national order after all. even with the park 51 community center operating in downtown new york, we still made it through the week without the impossession of shariah law. after troy davis's petition for clemency and say stay of execution was denied and he was killed thursday night, we know the state of georgia's official motto, wisdom, justice,
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moderation is a cruel and embarrassing farce. we also know the state of texas will no longer grant last meal requests. after a state lodge tore complained about the practice. we know a society that loses its capacity for mercy and grace has lost its moral bearings. watching this report, this remarkable report about simple bottles filled with water used as low-cost light bulbs in a slim in the philippines, we know humans are ingenious and it is hard as it can be to remember, the problems of the world are soluble, that there's light out there in the darkness. i want to find out what my guests today now know they didn't know when the week began so we'll bring them back after this. [ hayden ] what if there was a makeup
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i want to find out what my guests know now they didn't know the beginning of the week. >> in 1960 0.5% of the united states was asian-american. now it's 5%. we're taking over. soon we will be 5,000%.
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wanted to let you know. be afraid. >> that's good to know. that's awesome. anne-marie? >> well, so i now know a conservative audience will actually boo men and women who are willing to die for their country. >> you're referring to the moment -- >> i'm referring to the moment in the debate where they don't about don't ask, don't tell, a gay serviceman and he was booed. i didn't think it was possible for them to die for men and women who die for their country. >> i don't know if this is true, i should preface this by saying -- >> we should say that at the beginning of the show for everything. >> but there appears to be some chance some particles move quicker than the speed of light. if that's true, amending the laws of physics relativity theory would be important and fascinating if it comes to pass. >> we should do more -- >> more of those segments, yes. >> what do you thn? >> since anne-marie took mine -- >> no. we didn't coordinate.
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>> i know. i think an extension of that, i think what's been revealed is that there is not a single gop debate where the audience is not going to reveal themselves to be more crass and blood lusty and insensitive than they were before. >> i think what you're going to see is see jim lair like rule laid down because he says, don't say anything or we'll kick you off. i think that will be the policy imposed because this keeps happening and it's clearly a headache for everyone on that stage. i have with me lilliana segura, ez ezraklein, you'll be back tomorrow, right? >> i will be. >> we rented you for the whole weekend. anne-marie slaughter from princeton, from the state department, i could not be happier you stopped by. a pleasure to have you here. the only one and only, rahei,
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swedish welfare policy today, raising minimum wage to $12, you can find him at the daily and also the national review, right? >> yes, indeed. coming up next is "weekends with alex witt" and join us next week where i'll have randy wine garten, reverend yes si jackson and extraordinary alliance between tea party leader mark mecler. until then, you can fine us at up.msnbc.com. see you tomorrow. [ female announcer ] water was meant to be perfect.
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with $500 bonus cash during the jeep celebration event, there's never been a better time or reason to celebrate at your jeep dealer. good morning, everyone. welcome to "weekends with alex witt" here's what's happening right now. where did it land? nasa says that dead satellite came back to earth but where remains a mystery. we'll try to get you some answs.

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