so far in this 20-day old movement. we have amateur video showing part of the controversy that is surrounding these protests. new york police officers swinging his night stick in the middle of the crowd there. in a separate video, you can hear what appears to be another officer off camera saying he hopes to his baton to use. we can't verify when the videos were taken. people who posted them say it happened last night. >> my night stick going to get a workout tonight. >> you can see what appears to be that same officer slamming his night stick on the ground in that video. protests are under way in philadelphia, as i mentioned the live pictures in washington, d.c. and a dozen states have now joined this movement so far. this morning, at his news conference president obama addressed the discontent that is sparking the outrage. >> the american people are very frustrated. they've been frustrated for a

long time. they get a sense that folks in this town aren't looking out for their interests. that cynicism won't be reduced until congress actually proves their cynicism wrong by doing something that would actually help the american people. this is a great opportunity to do it. >> nbc is live from new york city. i heard you talk about the police presence being unusually high today. what's going on there? >> reporter: tamron, there's definitely much more of police visibility here today. something we haven't seen since we've been here. you can see the barricades behind me. they have barricaded the entire park. it goes around the perimeter. perhaps in an effort of containment to make sure that people don't spill into the street and disrupt of the flow of traffic. there are more officers here and a lot of marked police cars. in terms of a police presence, it's much more visible today. it started yesterday preceding

that big rally and march. it seems that they have just left all of that in place here. again, it's unclear specifically what that's for. but it seems to be mostly for containment. in terms of clashes with the police, there were some minor scuffles yesterday after that rally and march took place. dcpi, the public information arm of the nypd tells us that they made 23 arrests. most were disorderly conduct. if you put that in the grand scheme of things, 23 arrests when thousands of people came out, that's a very small segment of the group. by and large, it was a very orderly event. in terms of what's taking place here today, it's a pretty typical day in terms of what's become typical here. they have a couple marches planned to wall street which is a couple of blocks away. other than that, they have logistical meetings planned to figure out how to keep it going and what the next step is. >> thank you, mara. we go to the -- i'm joined by daniel denver, contributing

writer with salon.com. daniel, thanks for joining us. what's going on in philly. >> we have nearly a thousand folks out there now. they started gathering at 9:00 a.m. this morning. unemployed people, young people, union members, and just like in new york, there are people who have been waiting for a movement. the last few years, i think for a lot of americans who are hurting right now, has been this prolonged almost hallucinatory party dominating the debate. they're ready to put forth something else it looks like. >> are we seeing union members join the protesters? what's the makeup in philadelphia? >> it's very diverse. black, white, asian, latino. i actually spoke to a steam fitter who came down this morning from new york. he participated in the large march yesterday afternoon and wanted to come help kick things off in philly. >> is this the first big protest for philadelphia? how long have they been

assembling there? >> yes. on tuesday night, more than a thousand people packed into a church in center city philly and planned it. they decided on city hall. not to protest against city hall but because it's kind of the central point in the city. so far, mayor michael nutter has said that he is sympathetic to the protesters' demands and is eager to work with them. we're hopeful that we won't see the police violence that we've seen in new york. >> all right. daniel, denvir are salon.com. coming up, i'll talk to someone from the daily beast. he's written an article supporting the occupation wall street movement and believes it needs to succeed. but he fears it won't. find out why he believes that. and more now on the president's news conference where he put new pressure on the senate to approve his $447 billion jobs bill next week. later this afternoon, by the way, president will meet with senate majority leader harry reid and tomorrow the labor department releases the unemployment report for the

month of september. >> our economy really needs a jolt right now. this is not a game. this is not the time for the usual political gridlock. but the problems europe is having today could have a very real effect on our economy at a time when it's already fragile. but this jobs bill can help guard against another downturn if the situation in europe gets any worse. >> cnbc's washington correspondent john harwood joins me live. you heard the president weave in. we've talked about the impact of the global economy is having on our recovery in the states. >> reporter: exactly. he's using that to put pressure on the republicans to pass this jobs plan. the president, for substantive reasons, needs the economy to be in better shape as he heads into his 2012 reelection. politically, with his ratings down as much as they are, you have the president between 40 and 45% in the polls. a lot of people feeling anxious about the future and

disapproving of his handling of the economy. he's trying to mobilize public opinion against the republicans and say, hey, explain why you're against adding jobs for teachers and construction workers and why you're against providing tax cuts for middle class workers. that's the argument the president made at the press conference. he knows that republicans are resisting him on the grounds that he raised taxes and they're critical of a lot of the spending and in his jobs act, but he's trying to change the facts on the ground in terms of public opinion. >> the president also said he would be "comfortable with the senate democrats including this 5.6% surtax on millionaires." that would be an amended version of part of his plan to create jobs. >> reporter: yes and many of the democrats on capitol hill are not pleased but with the pay for package the president initially laid out, they wanted initially this millionaire's only approach. now they're going with that and the president is going with that flow. the president said from the beginning that he was willing to entertain other ways of paying

for the jobs act. but now senate democrats coalesced around a way to avoid some of the problems they've caused some democrats to splinter off from that bill and allowed republicans to say democrats aren't united behind this, why should he put pressure us. on wall street, investors are closely watching apple stock after the death of the company's co-founder, steve jobs. the stock has been up for most of the day. also dropped a little in the last hour. so as it hovers around $375, millions, though, around the world are leaving their condolences and in person and on-line. many have held candlelight vigils. some using the products that steve jobs created and will forever be associated with. you see that ipad there. that's with a candle. a candlelight for that vigil. nbc's janet shand lien is outside the headquarters with more. i was struck by the ipad with

the candle. that's the traditional way to pay respects. with this modern technology, it is something to see that. >> reporter: wouldn't steve jobs be proud that his technology is used in the tributes to him. people learned of his death on their iphones. it's a sign of how he's changed this world. as you said, his death ask being felt all over the world. his home. so it's really hitting hard here. there are tributes here. like we're seeing at the apple stores. people leaving apples and flowers and notes right behind me on the apple campus. but other than that, people are really being kind of quiet and respectful and his family, who lives here, actually released a statement asking for some privacy as they grieve privately right now and said that they will provide a website where people can leave their tributes. there's been many questions here about what is going to happen to this company? we know that tim cook has taken

over as ceo. but he has a long history with the company, tamron. people feel that at this point, it's in good hands. the long-term prospects, though, will the company continue to be so creative and innovative, that's hard to predict at this point. tamron. >> janet shamlain live for us at the headquarters. gizmo toe.com. joe, i was talking to you in the commercial break. you said really shaken up. because steve jobs inspired you and so many others to get into engineering and to believe that you could create something. >> this is tough. it's emblem attic of the new american dream. not i'm going to get a farm. but this real new america, i'm going to start a startup in my garage and make something extraordinary that will change the world. this is something that's really important to a lot of people in my world. in technology. but it goes so far beyond t

that's the clue to his import. this is a guy, the ceo of a computer company. we're on msnbc, you see him all over tv. you see vigils for somebody who makes phones. >> come on. it's not basically making the phone. it gave access and gives access to so much. >> absolutely. >> it changed -- i heard joe scarborough talking this morning. you're the computer guy. i don't have to tell you. pc's and things like that, it's changed the accessibility and the ease of use even. >> he made the computer personal. he made the smartphone fun. he put all of this technology into the mainstream and made it accessible to anybody. and this is the stuff that used to be the province of geeks. now it's everyone. >> people are wondering what's next. let's move this past the sadness which exists. the family's loss of their husband and father. what happens next for the -- the stock is $375, not a big change. >> apple is going to be fine for the foreseeable future, right.

this is not a surprise to him. it's not a surprise to us. it's not a surprise to apple. for more than a year now, steve jobs has been referring in memos to his team about the plan. he's been battling cancer for almost a decade at this point. he has a really strong team behind him. he spent the last five years at least building really, really strong team. he's a talent scout. tim cook is the reason the company is profitable and -- >> let me ask you this. we had richard steng he will on morning joe, the editor of time magazine. he talked about how steve jobs was so hands-on. a control freak in a positive way. i think you have to be to make anything to that successful of a level. let me play what he had to say about the imprint or the footprint that was left on his company. >> he came to our offices to show us the ipad a couple of weeks before it was out. i just had mentioned in passing, i had been to the new apple

store on the upper west side near where i lived. he went into a -- he said the marble from that store is from this quarry in perugia and from the northwest corner of the quarry because it's a little bit lighter and stronger and i went there and felt it myself. >> that's a lighthearted point about how involved he was with every small detail. >> sure. you know what, tim cook, anybody who comes after him, nobody can outsteve, steve. steve jobs is steve jobs. thus steve jobs forever. his team is really strong and steve jobs' imprint will be on the products that apple makes for the next three or four product generations at least. >> let me ask you about the timing. you have the new iphone out. one called it iphone i. this is the first iphone blasted on so many sites. the prior one had the antenna complaints. you have a flood of bloggers and tech is who really went after this last product, the timing of it. >> rather than like disparaging the product, which nobody is

doing. nobody used it yet. we're mostly disappointed because you expect such great things from apple. they've been on such a roll lately, you're not seeing something extraordinary and crazy. i'll bet the next phone will blow our minds more. >> thank you very much. pleasure having you. coming up, the latest on dr. conrad murray's trial. did the coroner investigator make several mistakes in the report of michael jackson's death? that's the focus of what's happening in court today. plus. >> drop her off and go. we just want our baby back. please. >> an emotional plea from the parents of a missing ten-month-old baby girl who was snatched from her family's home in the middle of the night. marco rubio sets the record state. he says he does not want to be included on the 2012 gop ticket. nothing helped me beat arthritis pain.

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welcome back to "news nation." attorneys for michael jackson's doctor are trying to discredit the investigation into the pop star's death. here's a live look of the courtroom in l.a. where coroner's investigator has been testifying for more than two hours now. the defense attorney repeatedly suggested fleek made several mistakes preparing the notes. particularly about the first time she told prosecutors she saw a bottle of propofol in an i.v. bag in michael jackson's room. >> i don't remember the date. >> was it in 2011? >> i really don't remember snoo. >> was it in response to a conversation about one of their witnesses saying he saw a vial in a bag? >> no, i've never discussed another witness with them. >> you don't remember talking with them about it, do you? >> i know i didn't talk about another witness. >> joining me now criminal defense attorney who defended

michael jackson against child molestation charges. it's a great plesh tower have you on. let's launch into this investigator. what do you make of this? >> no investigation is perfect, tamron. no investigator is perfect. no police officer is perfect. the question is, did any of these mistakes or any combination of misstation rise to a significant level and that remains to be seen. what the defense lawyer is doing a good job and that's what he's there for. >> yesterday, again, another emotional audiotape was played, emotional for the jury and fans of michael jackson to hear. the influence of the sedative while he was being interviewed, if you will, by conrad murray. let's play yet another audiotape from michael jackson. >> i didn't have a childhood. i had no childhood. i feel pair pain. i feel their hurt. >> you okay? >> i am asleep.

>> again, the prosecution played this tape yesterday. thomas, how does this help their case and b, as a person who represented michael jackson and got to know him personally, how do you feel when you hear that? >> it's very disturbing, very shocking and very tragic. during the time i represented michael jackson, i never ever heard him articulate this way or appear to be under the influence of anything like this. it's horrifying to me. it's also horrifying to me that a physician would tape record this. i don't know why he would do it other than to keep it as a souvenir or to sell it. that's very, very disturbing as well. as far as who it will help, you know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. i think the prosecution would like the jury to interpret this as a situation where a doctor knew that his patient was severely troubled, had all sorts of problems and paint a picture of a physician who just didn't care with his patient, abandon

him to fate and try to cover it. >> the defense is trying to say that michael was addicted to various drugs and this caused his death not the actions of their client. both sides will try to take advantage of that tape. it's a question of how it's interpreted. >> to your point about the picture that they're trying to paint that he was an addict and conrad murray was trying to help. >> they showed bottles of medicine lined up, two rows of them on the edge of the prosecution table yesterday showing the amount of medications found in the home. i guess, this medicine was recovered after the third search of michael jackson's home. does this help in any way conrad murray to say, well, these are all of the things that michael jackson was taking. after all, these were all prescribed, so they had to be coming from murray or another doctor. >> well, again, it's hard to tell how the jury will interpret it. but it certainly paints a picture of conrad murray there

with his patient giving him all kinds of prescription drugs, one after another, knowing he was taking prescription drugs from other physicians and at the same time, rather than trying to play it safe, giving him this dangerous anesthetic propofol under unacceptable conditions. i personally think it hurts the defendant. >> thomas mess row live for us on day eight of this trial. thank you, thomas. >> thanks for having me, tamron. michelle obama wants to jump into the guinness book of world records. we'll tell you which record she set her sights on and when she plans to break it. plus, john ratzenberger about the effort he's spearheading to get more americans back to work. he says there are jobs out there for people out of work. where are those jobs and why are those spots not being filled? "news nation" is next. [ kristy ] my mom is well...weird.

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welcome back now to our ongoing series, jobs wanted. new jobs numbers set to be released tomorrow, there's a new movement that focuses on factory workers and training. it goal is to raise the skilled labor workforce by ten million before 2020. the average factory worker is close to retirement age and there are not enough students to fill up the jobs. spearheading this effort is actor john ratzenberger. he's a senior fellow for the center for america. >> it's great to be aboard. >> we were in detroit working on an education special and talking about getting kids trained for these jobs that are available. especially in detroit hit so hard by the manufacturers, the auto manufacturers taking a big blow. what do you see as the central problem here? >> 80% of manufacturers report that there's a shortage of skilled workers. these are people, tool and die

makers, lathe operators, people that actually can make and fashion things out of wood or metal, tin, doesn't make a difference. to make a raw product and make it into something else brought us to the dance. built our civilization. america was not built by actors and sports celebrities, even though we may think they were. if we disappeared overnight, it would be sad for our families, but the nation would get on just fine. but if you lose the carpenters, the truckdrivers, the welders. >> the roofers, as you mentioned in one interview. >> the roofers. if you had a leaky roof, you won't call the geek squad. but the skills, those skills have been lost because we've stopped educating kids and vocational training. >> auto shop, wood shop. metal shop in school. but when you see something for example like the steve jobs who became an american icon as a result of engineering and technology, how do you convince a kid today to look at example a

job of roofing. >> steve didn't start off like that. i worked for pixar and i knew steve. he started in his garage tinkering. and that's the key. thomas edison, he was a tinkerer, leonardo da vinci was a tinkerer as a child. we don't allow our children to do that anymore. we started this program, ten by 20. because the bureau of statistics said we're going to be bereft of ten million jobs in manufacturing by 2020 because the average age is 56 years old. they're retiring soon. >> how do you reach that goal then? >> if you go to the website, center for america.org, you can download my handbook and whatever you do, whoever you are, anywhere in america, it will show you how to start promoting skilled hands-on talent. >> give me an example. >> if you're a manufacturer, then go to the local school, invite the guidance counselors,

invite the teachers and the children. if you're a grandparent and you grew up building houses, take your grandson or granddaughter, show them how to fix their bicycle. also in the media, we have to be aware that we can't keep denigrating people who work for a living. the trades. any time you see a movie or television show, what happens? somebody comes in with a toolbox, they're made fun of. they're depicted as a buffoon. why would a child growing up want to be that? so we honor the failures in society. we honor the smart alecy 16-year-old smoking dope but we make fun of the roofer, the carpenter, the welder, the truck driver. it's flipflopped. also, if you go to aol this week, i'm hosting a program that they have on jobs. there are thousands of jobs available. i know a fella in chicago. he said he could hire 20 welders tomorrow. he can't find one. >> that's incredible.

>> there's a shop course, homeec, whatever it is. the philosophical shift saying you don't want to work with your hands. someone has to build the college. >> you are spearheading a great cause. it was a great pleasure to have you on. >> tamron, thank you. >> thank you, john. >> if you need light carpentry work. >> i got this. i'm from texas. i look at what "news nation" viewers are saying about the occupation wall street movement. we ask you, will this movement have the same impact as the tea party. the results of our "news nation" gut check that set our twitter and facebook accounts on fire. forbes is out with the list of the most powerful women. we'll tell you who topped the list this year. [ female announcer ] the humana walmart-preferred

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will the occupy wall street movement succeed? i'll talk with a daily beast michael tomaski who supports the protesters but fears they will not succeed. christmas in des moines, how does that sound? the 2012 presidential season may begin as early as december. parting ways, espn says goodbye to hank williams, jr., after the singer compared president obama to hitler. the success of the occupy wall street movement hinge on the grassroots model that made the tea party successful? a new report says that they must embrace the ordinary american approach taken by the tea party to advance its message. i'm joined by the special correspondent in the daily beast. thanks for joining us. >> my pleasure. >> you say you support the protesters. they are sensitive to the media coverage. they believe that the media is trying to butt thput them in a .

that is upsetting to them. you say listen, i support you. but you need to make changes to succeed. >> well, i'm not sure if it's changes. i'm not sure which direction they're going. it's still pretty early in this. my main point, tamron, i'm concerned that the movement as it grows and spreads and as more people pay attention to it, that it figures out in the right way to talk to middle america and to talk to people sitting at home in their living rooms watching about it on tv. that right way is basically to say to people we're like you. we are you. we're middle class. we're working class people who have the same struggles that you have and we're out here representing you. as opposed to some other kind of -- there is this historical thing on the political left. whatever you want to call it. sort of an angrier or harder edged kind of posture. it's just my hope that that kind of thing is avoided and that they speak more openly and

humanely to regular americans. >> that's interesting in so many ways. a, because some interpret that as you saying they should conform to some ideal of what we see as middle class or middle america as we so often like to say or the average joe. which in america, we don't even know what that person looks like anymore. that's the first thing. >> right. >> you talk about the anger. at the beginning of the tea party, i don't have to tell you, they were holding up -- we talk about hank williams jr. and the -- the movement included in the tea party. some of the fringe element that were very visible in the tea party movement at the beginning. >> no question about it. probably still there. just a little bit under wraps now. i don't think that anger really helped the tea party movement very much. i think that anger probably hurt the tea party movement. i do think one thing that probably helped the tea party movement is that a lot of their spokespeople were, as i said, quote-unquote however you want

to define it, regular americans. we all read the stories and i'm sure you interviewed a lot of these people. a homemaker from pennsylvania who was never in politics in her life or an i.t. guy from iowa who was never in politics in his life. these kind of people, when these kind of people go on f and they talk about why they're doing what they're doing and why they're involved and the way they're involved, i think they make credible val day tors. they're just like my neighbor and co-worker. >> if they're not like our neighbors, does that somehow make them less -- my neighbor doesn't wear a gas mask like the guy we saw there. nonetheless, these are young people, these are people who may not look like the lady who bakes goods orchid in the girl scouts in your neighborhood. they are americans and they feel as they said that they are getting the short end of the stick. they don't look like the picture, i guess, we put in our

mind. but their voices certainly are as powerful. i want to say. >> they are. maybe we put an antiquated picture in our minds. >> i think we do. >> this isn't 1956. it's not a country full of -- how did you know that's exactly what -- >> that's where we go in our minds. i lived in the midwest. i used to hate when people said average american or the girl next door. i thought to myself, what the heck is that? >> the average american is very different than the cleaver family and not a country full of cleavers any more. i think that's known out there. that's how people live. people have different kinds of neighbors, different kinds of co-workers. it doesn't mean a white mother with -- who is perfectly coifed and wearing an apron anymore. it doesn't mean that. >> thankfully, it doesn't mean that. neither of us would be considered everyday americans under that guideline. thank you, michael. a great pleasure having you on.

>> likewise, thanks. we asked you, do you think the occupy wall street movement would have the same impact as the tea party movement? 79% of you said yes. 21% of you, you don't think so. now to the search for that missing ten-month-old baby in kansas city. lisa erwin's parents are issuing a new emotional plea pour their baby's safe return. >> please bring her home. we need her. we're not a family without her. she's everything to us. just bring her somewhere safe. fire department, church, police station, a hospital. no questions asked. just drop her off and go. we just want our baby back, please. >> police say baby lisa was snatched from her crib inside her family's home either late monday night or early tuesday morning. nbc's peter alexander joins me live. you spoke with the family this morning. first, tell me what the latest on this investigation here in. >> reporter: we want to give you

the new details. i just spoke a moment ago to one of the police officers in kansas city who tells us that again today detectives and investigate, more than a hundred of them went shoulder to shoulder through a heavily wooded area within a mile of here looking for clues or evidence that may lead them to this ten-month-old little girl, lisa erwin. this is where it took place at this home behind us. i had a chance to speak with jeremy and -- though unmarried, the parent. the mom was asleep at 10:30 p.m., put her daughter to sleep. that's when she last saw her. he came home from work after an overnight shift at 4:00 in the morning. when he arrived home, the front door was unlocked, some of the lights were on and his daughter was missing from her crib. that and what we also learned today, three cell phones were missing. all evidence that investigators are working with today as they try to find out where this missing girl may be. in speaking to the family, i asked them how the two sons are doing. an eight-year-old and

five-year-old who also live in the home. take a listen. >> where is lisa? why haven't he found her yet? where is pumpkin pie? they call her that. where is she at? we can't give them answers. i just tell them we're going to find her. we have to stay strong for lisa. we have to stick together as a family and everything is going to be okay. >> i'll ask you guys simply. did you do anything with your daughter? >> god, no. >> jeremy? >> no. >> no. >> just need her back. >> please bring her home. >> investigators say they are still getting new tips, though so far no strong leads in this case. tamron, again, today they stopped all the cars through the neighborhood looking for any evidence of where little lisa may be. we're okay. not to worry. there's the latest. now to politics. big possibility the iowa

caucuses could be held before the end of the year. now that nevada has announced it is moving its caucus -- the iowa caulks uses could be held in late december. the new hampshire primary, that could be held january 7th. nbc news depply political director mark murray joins us from washington. you don't have to buy christmas gifts. as you pointed out in first read, we can see a rebellion. maybe not in the immediate future but certainly down the line with the changes. >> right. let me tell you what's at issue. under the new hampshire law, the primary must be seven days before the next contest or a similar contest. since nevada decided to move up to january 14th, that means that the earliest under new hampshire law and the way they're interpreting it would be january 7th. it could be even earlier than that. that would push new hampshire probably to late december. of course, a lot of this is influx. you don't know where things are

going to head out. tamron, as you mentioned, there's going to be a lot of pressure that's going to be put on the folks in iowa and new hampshi hampshire. not to really get into that christmas holiday. new hampshire have held a place in american politics that this is where the presidential primaries begin, where things start. if you end up having campaigns having to campaign right in the christmastime or reporters -- that could create a lot of headaches, maybe not for this cycle but potentially for the next one. >> would it affect the interests as well. that time of the year is set aside, the press and the candidates, the voters, the people who want their voice heard. >> absolutely. there is a big danger of that. not only do you end up around that time, you also have the christmas holidays, you have new year's, the college football bowl season, the nfl playoffs. there's so much going on. if you want to get people to the polls, maybe that's not the very best time to do so. >> mark murray, deputy political director. interesting calendar shaping up.

thank you. >> thanks, tamron. coming up, could next season of the simpsons be the last? details on the dispute that could bring the show to an end. they've made one compromise. we'll tell you who is holding out. details in the scoop. there is a lot going on today. here's things we thought you should know. arizona congresswoman gabrielle giffords attended a retirement ceremony for her husband mark kelly. we're waiting for photos to be posted on the website. the last time we saw her in public was in early august when she made that surprising and moving appearance on the house floor to cast her vote on raising the debt ceiling. there's a movement to draft marco rubio in 2012. the florida republican senator insisted yesterday he's not interested in becoming the nominee saying he did not run for the center to have a launching pad for another job. >> first lady michelle obama plans to jump into the guinness book of world records.

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exercise versus nighttime. coming up at the top of the hour, the president issues a challenge to the do nothing congress. it appears mr. boehner only speaks one language. the language no. plus, the occupy wall street movement grows. sarah palin says no. and a tribute to steve jobs. a real american visionary. now back to tamron. thanks, martin. hank williams jr. and espn have made a decision about their relationship. will this be the last season of the simpsons? plus, lady gaga passes oprah winfrey on the annual 100 most powerful list. i don't know why i need courtney. i just told the list. >> thanks guys. see you later. >> courtney has the scoop that i just didn't spill the beans on. >> there's more to discuss here. in the big take-home lesson. hank williams who made

explosive statements about president obama earlier in the week. he and espn decided to part ways. >> he didn't decide. espn decided, right? >> he's saying that a lot of the decision was in his hands. let's start with what espn is saying. they said we have decided to part ways with hank williams, jr. we appreciate his contributions over the past years. he says for his part, after reading hundreds of e-mails, i have made my decision, emphasis on my there, by pulling my opening october 3rd. you, talking to espn, stepped on the toes of the first amendment freedom of speech. therefore, me, my song and all my rowdy friends are out of here. >> who released the statement first? >> you know, i would need to go back and double-check to see exactly. i i believe they were almost simultaneous i. that said you reach a certain point as an artist, what hank williams is trying to say, this is who i am. i apologized -- >> that's not what he said -- >> i'm just saying this is how hank williams is saying right

now today. so long story short, though, he's gone. >> he's gone. >> no more hank williams jr. on monday night football. the simpsons could be gone too. >> that's not a laughing matter. >> i know. actually, i'm not even a huge fan of the simpsons. they should stay on television. fox network says that the show is too expensive to continue on the way it's continuing on. doesn't work with it business model and they need the primary cast members, the big voices, crust i the clown, marge, homer, the characters there. they need those cast members to take significant pay cuts in order to keep the show on air past the 23rd season, which is the current season. lots of sources saying they've made headway. they're willing to take a pay cut as long as they get more money on the back end, money from the merchandising, which is a good idea to avoid the happy days lawsuits we've been talking about in later years. >> good point. >> lawsuit developed i think friday is the deadline for some big decision there. >> forbes has the most powerful

women. >> yes. >> in the world. >> let's start number one and two. angela merkel and hillary clinton. entertainers made the list as well. number 11 is lady gaga, 14. oprah winfrey number 1. beyonce knowles number 18. i love to laugh at lady gaga. meat dress is something -- can't take it seriously. i'm not a huge fan of her music. it's fine. but i'm not a huge fan. these are women of great influence. people pay attention when they have something to say. that's who ends up on the list. you tamron hall, if i can brag on your list. she's in the top 100 influential african-americans in 2011 as is melissa harris perry. >> beyonce is number 13. ahead of me. >> your degrees of separation. >> practically best friends. >> you're pregnant and she's

pregnant. that's close. >> that's close. my beyonce connections. >> my producer is like wrap. for the latest entertainment news, log on to scoop.today.com. courtney is on twitter, we'll be right back. great? with outlast, we can go for hours -- and our lipcolor still looks fresh. outlast from easy, breezy, beautiful covergirl

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welcome back. time now for the "news nation" dp gut check. a woman is kicked off a bus in oregon because her baby was crying. the driver dropped them off at night near a jail last week after yelling at the woman to quiet down her child. several passengers filed complaints. now the driver has been suspended. the driver claims it was a safety issue. she could not drive while that child was screaming. the mother says her child was just overtired and there was nothing she could do to calm him down. so what does your gut tell you about that? was the driver justified in kicking a mom and her baby off

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