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businesses and destroys jobs. >> can you name all 59 points in your 160-page plan. >> i have taken on tough problems and i must admit that simple answers are helpful but inadequate. >> and herman cain defends that 9-9-9 plan. >> i think it's a catchy phrase. i thought it was the price of a pizza when i heard it. >> when you take the 9-9-9 plan and turn it up side down the devil's in the details. could this be the ticket? jamie gangel got the spluvs. >> did he promise you anything? >> nothing. >> vice president crist this in i? >> no. the alleged terror plot that reads like a cheap thriller. the idea that you would assassinate a diplomat. that is something for the whole world, every nation in the world
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will be outraged. this is all about keeping the world united in opposition to the activities of iran and we have taken nothing off the table. we will take nothing off the table. and the underwear bomber pleads guilty. plus 20 years after the clarence thomas hearings what has changed for women in the workplace? we'll talk to professor anita hill. i'm andrea mitchell in new york. hours after the senate voted to kill the president's jobs bill poll numbers show that the public is behind it. the poll shows that the proposal is favored 63 to 32%. here so to break it down is host of the daily rundown and an msnbc contributor and managing editor of post politics. the poll shows that people agree by large margins with the democrat's plan on how to pay
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for the jobs bill. just look at these numbers. we talk about how to pay for it. you have the numbers there. 64 to 31. what is this telling you? >> this is not new when it comes to the proposals that the president has been pitching. but there there is another question here before we gave the people the details of the jobs bill we just asked them should congress approve this or not approve this, president obama's job's bill and it was 30% in favor and 22% not in favor and 44% with no opinion. so that tells you that it's not just part of the broader conversation yet. is it a winnable message when you make the description as we put out there and as the poll numbers show both on how to pay for it both in some of the things that people would like to see done. but this is another case where you could sit there and say the
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president's not being able to take public opinion and use it to get congress to respond or that the republicans don't feel like they're going to get punished if they somehow don't -- don't agree to this. >> so what does it mean for the president, the white house and for congress in this election year? if the president can't sell his programs and if the democrats in congress can't work around the republican opposition to deliver for him? >> it doesn't mean much good, andrea. one thing i would add is that remember that senate races. this is a bill in the senator at the moment. senate races are not national races. it is why you saw john tester and ben nelson from nebraska vote against the motion for the american jobs act. in their states their belief is that the way this jobs act is financed would not be beneficial mr. criminal cli.
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the top line numbers are important to the president as he tries to find something -- this president is thrilled that people are supportive of anything he is doing at the moment. but the reality for house members are different in those swing and conservative leaning states where this may be less popular as to chuck's point until people find out more about it. >> this is the deday after the debate. romney not only held his own he made rick perry look small and tired without energy. i wanted to play a little clip. >> we have the lowest number of kids as a percentage uninsured of any state in america. i'm still speaking. i'm still speaking. we have less than 1% of our kids that are uninsured. you have a million kids
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uninsured in texas. >> that was the most vigorous defense of the massachusetts health care plan. romney went on the offensive. >> he did and it goes back -- you brought up the other point, rick perry was a nonfactor in this debate. it was not a meltdown performance where he couldn't get his attack together on romney it was more that he wasn't a part of the conversation. he tried to insert himself a couple of times and tried with that question and wasn't getting traction. and at some point rick perry is going to run out of kansass to coalesce conservatives and be the anti-romney. all of these poll numbers -- what a bizarre moment in this race. all of the establishment is trying to rally around romney, chris christie, susan moll farry today.
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there is this movement in the establishment wing of the party to say he's the nominee. let's go except the voters haven't gotten that message yet. >> neither has newt gingrich. let's play a clip from last night. >> in both the bush and the obama administration the fix has been in. if you want to put people in jail i want to second what michele said start with dodd. this sounded like newt gingrich the back bencher back in the '80s and '90s before he was in the leadership just scatter shotted everyone. >> and this is a dynamic that happens when you have a big field when there ask a couple of people who thinks can be the nominee and a bunch who can't be
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the nominee. newt gingrich is in the can't be the nominee category. he can say whatever he wants to say because he doesn't have to worry about if i have to say this president obama will use this against me in a debate. this is newt unbound. he has been good in the last couple debates. the audience cheers for him but it is unlikely he is the nominee because he is not raising that much money and has little campaign organization. his campaign is going to these debates and giving speeches. >> giving speeches and selling books. >> and selling books. good point. >> can i say i thought that newt would try to be a statesman. he made the decision not to. the only thing short of lighting his hair on fire. contrast rick santorum to newt gingrich. he is acting like a guy who wants to be taken seriously over
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the next couple years over the next cycle. newt gingrich doesn't seem to care any more. he is like i will see how outrageous i can go. >> someone who is lighting up the numbers at least and lighting up the audiences is herman cain. he was on the daily rundown with you earlier. you tried to pin him down on the fact that in his business background he missed the changes in the housing market and on the economy and you put him on the spot. here was his response. >> i missed some of these things i'm not perfect. i'm quick to say i made a mistake or missed it be. udy ididn't have sophisticated analyses to help me. i admitted the housing bubble and the economic meltdown of 2008 was much worse than i ever realized. >> people are charmed by that by his being not defensive about
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it. >> he wasn't defensive about it. but when you read these columns they were critiques of the media saying they were trying to make this up about the economy. this is the struggle that cain is going to have in making the next step to being a legitimate contender. he was a talk radio guy for a few years who try to make the leap because they've said some stuff. this happened with george clooney's father was a columnist for years. >> he was an anchorman in ohio. >> it came back anything he wrote because sometimes you are just writing stuff to get a rise out of home. >> you know -- >> al franken. the same thing.
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he had written and said a lot of things. it was a good year for democrats in minnesota. >> it took him a long time to win. and none of you guys get to run for office. >> no problem. >> thanks. five of the candidates are still campaigning in new hampshire today. who can blame them at the height of the fall colors up there. thank you for being with us. what was your impression of the debate last night? do you pick a winner or a loser. you to be nonpartisan among your eight but who performed well? do you have an argument with the fact that mitt romney came out strongly? >> governor romney did a great job last night. i didn't see any movement in the race. i don't think you will see a change in the poll numbers as a result of the debate. they protected themselves very well. unfortunately for those down in the polls those folks have a
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long way to go. maintaining their status isn't good news. in governor romney's case it is good news. he will maintain his strong front runner status right now. >> and getting more endorsements from people who are a part of the establishment. and of course chris christie. how important is the chris christie endorsement? >> there has been a lot of interest in chris christie's potential candidacy. i have gotten media calls up here in new hampshire. so i think it's a significant endorsement for romney to get. >> how do you explain the fact that rick perry by his own acknowledgeable with his fraternity brothers at dartmouth that debates are not his strong suit? doesn't the republican nominee have to go toe to toe against
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barack obama and against adversaries at home and abroad. >> debates are a key part of the whole campaign system. everybody remembers nixon and kennedy in 1960 and every debate cycle, a series of debates is important. i think that governor perry might be selling himself short. he has been successful mr. couple cli but perhaps the forum last night and some of the others have not been his strong suit. >> and briefly are we going to be up there in january or december? what is your guess as to when billy gardner is going to set the new hampshire primary? >> we hope will the be in january. we think it would be healthier for the process and for the voters to have it in january. we understand that the secretary of state's authority and we respect and trust his judgment. but we really think and really hope that the secretary gardner will schedule it in january.
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january 10th will be great. >> see you there. professor anita hill 20 years after the hearings that changed workplace relations for men and women. a secretary of state hillary clinton spoke moments ago in washington talking about the iranian suspected terror plot. >> this kind of reckless act undermines international norms and the international system. iran must be held accountable for its actions. we call upon other nations to join us in condemning this threat to international peace and security. any sec---o-m-g dad, you are not meeting him looking like that. i look fine. just a little trouble with a bargain brand cooking spray. quick, hide yourself behind the butter. do i embarrass you? yeah. i told you like a gajillion times to use new and improved pam so you'd come out in one piece like those muffins up there. look i gotta go. have fun cupcake!
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president obama and senate democrats are trying to salvage pieces of the jobs bill.
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what can get through congress? i'm joined by luis gutierrez. in reaction to the vote last night we have this poll showing that by two to one people when told what is in it favor the jobs bill and like the way proposed to pay for it. but you saw the vote. what can be salvaged? >> i think we need to continue to move forward. i think the president has to double down on his message to the american people until we turn this around. that's the way we have -- you know, you know, they said that the constitution has the, like, you know the judicial and the legislative and the executive. you but it's something that the american people support and i would say to my republican colleagues as you move forward you are moving against the wishes and desires. if the economy does not move forward you can't simply go back
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to your magic bag of tricks with two answers, a it's obama who did it or b let's cut the budget unless it is for rich people in the industrial section like in the oil sector. but i think they peril on their own side. you and i both know there are a lot of people afraid and unemployed and a lot of people underwater on their mortgage. there is a lot of fear out there. we should respond with energy and vigor to that fear and take affirmative action. >> the president at the hispanic forum was speaking out on this point. let's watch. >> last night even though a majority of senators voted in favor of the american jobs act, a minority of republicans blocked it from passing in the senate. they said no to more jobs for
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teachers and cops and firefighters and construction workers and veterans. no to tax cuts for middle class americans. >> what do you think so far as to how the administration has approached the immigration issue? i know you have been frustrated in the past and now a law in alabama which requires officials to check school children and ask questions about their status making it a felony for illegal undocumented immigrants to try to get a driver's license. where are we going in this country? >> unfortunately we are not moving forward. we have seen this play out in alabama before. it just reminds me of 40 years ago. there were those in the -- at the doors of schools in alabama trying to keep black children out of schools. 40 years later they are trying to keep brown children out of
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schools. it was sad commentary on america then and a sad one today. we need to realize they are keeping american citizen children from going to school. they are making american citizen children fearful of seeking out medical attention. they are going to become american citizen adults and this is the way our government is treating them through these actions. but we need to take action here at the federal level and settle this once and for all so we end this fantasy. it appears that you know it's not a good long-term plan not very viable as it wasn't viable for african-americans 40 years ago. in the city of chicago we have rea rahm emanuel and a structure that we cherish and love immigrants because they bring tax dollars and vigor to our economy. >> thank you very much. we know that rahm is doing there with the ideas festival in chicago this week. thanks for joining us.
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in the politico briefing, rick perry was tanned and rested at the debate but was he ready? he admitted after the debate that debating wasn't his strongest suit? what is next for governor? there seemed to be a lack of energy. what was going on last night? >> it seemed like he came into the debate waving a white flag. he wanted to do no harm and escape with no unforced errors. there were a few stumbles notably when shown a clip of ronald reagan he didn't have an answer for that and he fell back on his coming energy independence plan that sounded
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sound bitish. and additionally he didn't respond when mitt romney attacked him by saying that the number of uninsured children rose during his governorship. it is questionable if his goal was to just get out of it without losing points if he accomplished that. >> in the post-debate victim i guess he was at the dartmouth campus. this was his version of the revolutionary war. listen closely. >> our founding fathers never meant for washington, d.c. to be the fount of all wisdom. they were very much afraid of that. it was the reason that we fought the revolution in the 16th century. >> well that would have been news to the people at lexington and concord. but what is about american history and the people running for president this year?
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>> and they -- and there is an emphasis on it this time. the tea party has advocates for a return to the principles of the founding fathers. you better nose the principles and who they are. but what is interesting about that was that was playing to his strength in that environment he does well, this retail politicking, ditto with being about to raise the money. those are to two areas he has to excel, raising money and being ready for the air war and retail politicking. we saw yet again that debates are not his strength as he admitted as much to these fraternity brothers. and breaking news out of california, lawyers for michael jackson's doctor have dropped the claim that the singer sifl administered that fatal drug
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move, the underwear bomber umar farouk abdulmutallab has changed his plea to guilty today. this is the second day of his trial. he faces a sentence of life in prison. pete williams now joins us. what is the reason for the change? when is involved in the evidence or in his own decision-making? >> it's all in his own mind and he has not said why. his lawyer says it is against the lawyer's advice. there were things he was trying to keep out of the trial that the judge said the jury could hear, pictures and other evidence and apparently enough was enough and he decided to plead guilty. a lot of people thought he would use the trial as a soap box and he didn't do that until the end making a statement in court today, a bit of jihad propaganda. he will be sentenced in early january and faces a sentence of life in prison and so ends the biggest terrorism case since
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9/11. >> extraordinary. thank you very much for that update. and 20 years ago law professor anita hill testified that then supreme court nominee clarence thomas sexually harassed her in the workplace. the hearing has changed attitudes about job discrimination towards women. >> he spoke about acts he had seen in pornographic films that he has seen and films showing group sex or rape scenes. on several occasions thomas told me graphically of his own sexual prowess. >> you are not now claiming that he sexually harassed you. >> yes, that is my conclusion. >> i don't understand. >> let the witness speak in her own words rather than have words put in her mouth.
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>> i object to that i'm asking questions here. >> this is a circus. it's a national disgrace. and from my standpoint, as a black american, as far as i'm concerned it is a high-tech lynching for uppity blacks who in any way deem to think for themselves. >> the testimony of professor hill in the morning was flat out perjury. >> anita hill is a professor and senior advisor to the helder school for school for management and the author of the book reimagining equality. very interesting subtitle i want to get to that in a moment. let's talk about what we just saw. it brings me back. i was sitting right behind you. it was three days of hell. it must have been excruciating
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for you to do through that and unresolved in the end. >> clarence thomas was confirmed to the supreme court so there was a resolution of sorts but that did not resolve the issue of sexual harassment. the pundits said look what happened to anita hill women will never come forward having that in mind of their experience and they were wrong. so in that case, in that situation or in that instance, no, there was not a resolution and even if people thought that women were not going to come forward they were proven absolutely wrong by woman who came forward in record numbers after the hearing. >> you took a lie-detector test, a polygraph examine from a former fbi official and that was not paid attention to. there were corroborating witnesses not permitted to
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testify. how did you feel at the time about the way the hearings treated you? >> i believed they were trying to portray the situation as a he said-she said two individuals having a disagreement when in fact there was as you say much evidence about thomas's behavior. three other women. one woman got out of the hospital in order to testify. they were not called to testify. there were individuals who knew thomas who were able to talk about his propensities to talk about pornography and they were not called. but it would have been helpful to have an expert talk about sexual harassment to talk about what it is to help the senate and the public to understand what the problem was. that was not available either. >> in your book you talk about the genesis of the book and you write that you began to feel more at home in america than i
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had since 1991 when the public rejected the testimony of my life experience. talk about that about finding home. >> i look at reimagining equality as a compilation of if things that i have learned through the experience of the hearing but my training before as a lawyer and as a law professor in researcher as well as the many years since then. and i look at it through the lens of the crisis we have the foreclosure crisis and the millions of people who are insecure about whether or not day are going to be able to find a home in america. >> do you think the economic crisis has exacerbated workplace tensions or are we at a stage where the relationships between men and women are really dealt with more seriously in the workplace? >> both of those things are true. yes. the issue of sexual harassment
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is dealt with more seriously. i have heard from a number of woman who say after that testimony things changed in my work place overnight. but the problem does still exist. yes, they do still exist and we have to be vigilant about enforcing the laws and women coming forward. but the other part of your question was about the economy. we know that the economy has had a disparate impact on women in particular women who are in -- not high paying jobs. >> more vulnerable. >> more vulnerable women, single women with families heads of households. the housing industry or housing collapse has hit them hard just as they were getting a foothold into real estate and property ownership. >> i want to ask you about clarence thomas as we have seen over 20 years now the fact he acknowledged not disclosing his
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wife's earnings, $200,000. what do you think about the ethics issue? some argued that the supreme court polices itself and he has been tone deaf to conflicts of interest involving his wife's activism. how do you feel about that? >> i don't want to comment on that. that is not an issue i have looked at. but for me, my testimony at the hearing in 1991 was really about the integrity of the individual, clarence thomas as a nominee for the supreme court. my testimony as you'll recall i testified about behavior that took place while thomas was chair of the eeoc. and i think -- the equal employment opportunity commission. >> he was as the chair charged with enforcing enforcing sexual harassment laws and i believe what i said in those hearings reflected on his integrity and his respect for the law and its
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application to everyone including himself. >> how is it to live with this, this history? you are now part of history. you have been for 20 years. do you get past that just personally? >> on a day-to-day basis, i don't experience it sort of in visible ways as i have in the last few days. i turned on the tv the other day and there i was on history tv a picture of me 35-year-old me 20 years ago. so that doesn't happen every day. but you know what i do get regularly that reminds me how important that moment was for so many people what i get probably once a week or routinely, are letters and e-mails from individuals saying specifically what the hearings meant to them. and that reminds me not only that it was important then that that it is important now and that we must keep pushing
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forward on the issues until we really feel that we have eliminated sexual harassment in the workplace. >> anita hill, a living legacy, thank you for your book and thank you for being here. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. it was a legislative exercise and it is a legislative exercise. it has things that republicans have traditionally supported and we hope moving forward perhaps by breaking it up the republicans will support it and hear the call from their constituents that they want washington to take action on their number one priority. i want to move it around and go up in the back. anybody in the back there? >> just to follow on that. will the president be proposing which legislation comes forward which piece? which one would start first? >> we obviously consult with and
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coordinate with the senate leadership and the house leadership regularly and i'm sure we'll have those conversations. but it's senator reid's prerogative to make those decisions and we'll discuss that with him but i'll leave it to him to make any announcements that he might is have on how he will proceed and what schedule. then i'll come forward. yes? >> based on what u.s. officials know about the iran plot how high up does the involven't go? does it go up to ahmendinejad and the supreme leader? >> clearly the plotting of this attempted assassination happened at senior levels of the force. beyond that i can't get more specific. but it is significant in and of itself that we believe it's clear that senior levels of the force were engaged in the plotting. >> how broad are we thinking of
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i ran policies going on right now? >> jay carney is talking about the alleged plot where iran is accused and specifically two two iranians one iranian-born american citizen accused of plotting to bomb the saudi embassy and the israeli embassy in washington and also to hire guns to assassinate the saudi ambassador to the united states, a diplomat who is a close foreign policy adviser to the saudi king. as the white house has been explaining and hillary clinton has said there has to be a response to this. they want to know how high up this plot wednesday. joining me is david cone who is responsible for sanctions who were imposed today on a iranian
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government owned airline that does business with the force. thank you for joining us. what do we know about what this man allegedly really intended to do? there is a lot of question not about the fact that you have argued or the justice adopt argued they have a case based on a government informant and tapes and then once the man was arrested some 12 or 13 days ago, a supposed confession and more tapes when he was calling back to iran. but what was the involvement of the iranian government here? >> good afternoon, andrea. the justice department in its complaint that was unsealed yesterday laid out quite well the involvement of the iranian government really throughout the force which is an important component of the irgc.
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we then at the treasury department took action to designate five individuals who were associated with this plot, including the principle defendant but also three individuals in the force who were involved in this plot as well as the head of the irgc's force for being responsible for overseeing the activity of the officers who were running this plot. >> is it conceivable that this is a rogue element and there was no involvement with other factions where the ayatollah? what is the sense of how this could have happened? >> well, look, what we know about the irgc and the force i think strongly indicates this was not a rogue operation.
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the islamic revolution guard corps, the irgc is a key component of the iranian government and an entity they rely on tremendously both for expanding the reach of the iranian government into iran's economy and through the force which is a major component of the irgc. >> they never attempted to do anything like this on american soil. this is a real ramping up if this took place. could he have been a lone operator? what makes us think that someone who stumbled into a mexican cartel operation and was talking to an american informant knew what he was doing here? >> i don't think we have any reason to believe that this was a rogue operation that he was off freelancing or that the quds
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force officials the senior officials with whom he was dealing were off on a rogue operation either. i think every indication is that this was a plot that was directed from the quds force in tehran. >> how do they -- if the sanctions are working how do they get $100,000 wired to an american bank? >> we have broad and deep sanctions on iran. but our sanctions don't prohibit all financial transactions between iran and any other country in the world. it prohibits here to the united states but not to third countries. so there are ways to move money out of iran. but i do think that this $100,000 transfer, the down payment on this murder-for-hire
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plot really points out the danger and the risk that any bank that deals with iran runs. that they can find themselves involved in processing a transaction that is integral to an international state-sponsored act of terrorism such as the plot that was exposed yesterday. >> thank you david cohen thank you for joining us from the white house lawn. what is israel's take on this? we'll talk to michael oren next. [ male announcer ] tom's discovering that living healthy can be fun.
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. hi i'm thomas roberts coming up on news nation we're following breaking developments in the conrad murray trial. they have dropped the claim that jackson gave himself the deadly dose of prop toll. >> a movie producer recreates the massacre at a norway summer camp. some are calling the film
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disgusting. is it the news nation gut check coming up. the middle east is on edge after an alleged plot to and toi embassy in washington. the ambassador to the united states joins us now. what do we know about this? and how seriously is israel taking it? is israel going to take some action? >> good afternoon, andrea. we know the iranian regime. it has not only sponsored terrorist organizations in our area, hamas and hezbollah that have fired thousands and thousands of rockets at our citizen population but they've struck abroad. in buenos aires, they blew up a jewish community center killing over 100 people. this is the iranian terrorist organizations that have killed hundreds of american servicemen, whether in saudi arabia, iraq, in lebanon. >> that was in years past. we're talking about the '80s and '90s. we've never seen anything,
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certainly not since the 1990s, in buenos aires. anything like this. if it did in fact be planned, was planned out of tehran, for american soil. we've never seen it on u.s. soil. is this in your view some kind of escalation? >> definitely an he is krags but it is not out of character for the iranian regime. keep in mine, this is the president of iran a month after 9/11 got up in front of the u.n. general assembly and blamed the united states for blowing up the twin towers in new york. this is not a rational regime. >> is israel going to take some action? >> we are always fighting against iranian terror. and our borders and beyond our borders and we're always vigilant. we have very good partners in the security and law enforcement institutions of the united states, and we warmly applaud their success in unveiling this just heinous plot. but i think the important thing to keep in mind is iran is doing all of this without nuclear
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weapons. imagine what they could do if they actually had nuclear weapons. >> okay, ambassador. one quick question. do we know anything more about the israeli soldier that may be released by hamas? >> well, held in captivity now without any visit, not even the red cross for five years by hamas. we hope he's coming home. the israeli government voted last night with a deal for exchange of prisoners. it was a very tough decision. a painful decision. but gilad is the son of every israeli. all. our kids serve in the army so we know what it feels like. our kids need to know when they defend our country, god for bid they are taking prisoner, they'll be brought home. >> we'll be right back. ..silver. you should probably try this. what is it? degree deodorant. the more you move the more it works. ♪ [ sniffs ] yep. it's working.
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