line for the new iphone. what does the iphone 4s actually do? we'll have that for you. hi, everybody. i'm thomas roberts and we get straight to it. we're following that developing news this hour on the occupy wall street movement. just a short time ago several hundred protesters gathered outside the new york stock exchange. at least seven people have been arrested. this incredible video showing the police controlling the crowds. one person was injured and bleeding before being taken to the hospital. all of this following an improper. protesters have set up shop in that park now for 28 days. they're afraid, though, if they had to leave for clean-up they wouldn't be allowed in. basically this would be a ploy to evict them from zuccotti park for good. mara, protesters have now been taking action on their own to clean up the park themselves,

that in advance of the planned clean-up. but tell us about why they were so fearful of having to leave if the city was able to get them out, using the clean-up restrictions as a way to get them to move on. >> reporter: yeah. so the situation was that when they set up shop here a month ago, the city told them they could stay indefinitely. this was not a city owned park, it was a privately owned park and mayor bloomberg said the protesters could stay here as lodge as they wanted to. then the owners of the park were concerned about sanitation, so they appealed to the city and the nypd help them temporarily move these people out so they could clean and power wash the park to address those concerns. the protesters were concerned this was a ploy to get them out for good because the owner says when they came back, they'd have to obey the rules of the park and some of the rules of the park include no camping, no sleeping bags, no tarps, no personal property otown ground, so those who have been setting up shop here for the last month would be concerned they would

not be able to come back and occupy the park in the same way they've been doing, so they've vowed to stay here in an act of nonviolence. they said they would have to be removed by police which many thought it was a showdown of potential for clashes. it did not happen because at the last minute the park's owners made an announcement saying they were going to postpone the scheduled cleaning. they were going to try to come toon agreement. until that showdown was averted. immediately after that, of the 1,000 people who were here, several hundred started a celebratory walk to wall street and that's when clashes with police took place. a couple of people were arrested. there were some violent clashes. for the most part when that march without a permit, they stay on the sidewalk because they're allowed to do that. today they filled the streets, they were marching in the streets and the police in an attempt to control the crowd did get into it with them. they said they're going to try

to come to an agreement with the people in this park, that they have made it very clear that they want to stay and only pie this park. right now they're continuing their celebrations here. >> thanks so much. the frontrunners in the 2012 republican field are barreling past him in the polls but texas governor ricks perry is pushing forward with an economic message that he hopes will get strivgs back in his corner. right now he's giving a speech on his energy plan which he says will create some 1.2 million jobs. he spoke with matt lauer about his steep drop in popularity over the past two months. >> i don't worry about it. know a lot of people watch it. my numbers have been up, they've been down. again, e don't worry about those. i go out every day and try to do my job. >> let's bring in nbc deputy political director mark murray. mark, good morning. first off, governor perry right

there tried to play down his downward trend like any politicians do. does the $15 million in the bank give him time to fully recover? >> i want to say he's on life support. he's definitely hit a rough patch. he's got time to recover. today's speech is about trying to get back on track. the last several weeks for rick perry has been dominated by news on immigration, debate pormts. a drop of 22 points from august. and so today's speech is all about talking about the economy and also energy. some very familiar terrain for the texas governor, what he wants to be able to do is spur energy production. prevent that type of production. >> and, mark, as we're watching right now, as you're talking about, referring to the energy plan. during the last debate, the

bloomberg debate, he wasn't very specific. how do you think how pivotal that is his speech to him moving forward and regaining momentum for his campaign? >> it givens him a foot hold and allows him to get back on track and talk about the things he wants to talk about. his campaign, this is just the first proposal of many on the economy. so today it's energy. but you are right. at that last republican debate he talked about, well, his economic plan is coming out soon. mitt romney has had five or six years for his. he's been in the rain for about six weeks but it is a sign that when you get into a race late like rick per j did you do have to play catch-up. >> mark, let's take a listen. we have a piece of sound we turned to. we'll see what specifics we're getting. >> today i offer a plan that will create more than a million good-paying american jobs across every sector of the economy. and my plan is based on this

premise. make what americans buy. buy what americans make. and sell it to the world. >> all right. so that's being brown, not being too specific about what he could do, just that he thinkings he could get a million jobs going in this country. but isn't it kind of -- i guess everybody wants to say we should be making our own things, buying our own things, and distributes it to the world. how is that specific? >> that's right, thomas. all republicans are calling for less regulation, more energy production. they're calling for lower taxes, et cetera. so it really doesn't differentiate him. he wants to dif yen yat with the economy and what it's done. >> mark murray, thanks. appreciate it. herman cain is getting praise from some prominent republicans and new scrutiny of his 999 plan. halle barbour says he would sweep the southern states if nominated and right now has the vote of the mississippi

governor's wife. cain is synonymous with 9e99, bt new reports show how it may help the rich. there's a fact check and we're joined to talk about more about that. michael you write in the article analyzing the plan, the 9% personal income tax, the 9% business tax and the 9% national sales tax. what would this really mean for the upper middle and lower income americans as you give it a closer look? >> the analysts i talk to say for the people at the very top, over the last quarter century, this would represent a pretty big tax cut. it would be a tax cut on top of, you know, the income gains they've seen over these past many years. for people in the middle it would be a slight tax increase. and for the people at the very bottom it would be quite a hefty

tax increase. you start with 30 million households in this country pay lower income taxes and under cain's plan that would no longer be the case. now the cain campaign says there are some other facets of this plan that haven't been released yet that will sort of cushion people at the bottom but we even not yet seen the details. but what we've seen shows the plan would hurt, you know, lower and middle income people and help the top. cain says this will help investment or create centers for investment and will help kind of pivot the economy into the direction it needs to be going. >> here's the art connect of the 999 plan on the benefits of the plan. take a listen. we'll talk on the other side. >> okay. >> give me the growth estimates. that's the key here. >> 2 trillion -- >> tell me how it's going to work out. >> all right. $2 trillion of more gdp, 6 million jobs, business investment increases by a third, wages go up by 10%.

and if you fold all that growth together, federal revenues go up by 15%. >> all right. it's a good job, sounds good coming by him. some would refer to this plan as redressive. is that fair? >> exactly. the definition of regressive is when people at the bottom are paying greater than the people at the top. right now we have a relatively progressive tax system and this would change that. while the estimates sound dandy, it's hard to know. these are estimates. you can basically plug any numbers in you want to and create any kind of scenarios you want to o when doing estimates. the it's hard to estimate. >> "washington post," michael fletcher. nice to see you this morning. thanks for your your time. >> my pleasure. president obama is on the road against to promote his jobs bill and a new trade deal with south korea. just moments ago the president took off from andrews air force base outside washington. he's headed for michigan outside of detroit. he'll be joined by the president of south korea, and the two

leaders will then tour a gm auto assembly plant in orion township. we're joined today from capitol hill. sir, it's nice to have you on this morning. as we talk more about this, the u.s. and south korea announcing this new trade deal yesterday. the white house says this deal is a good thing, creating american jobs. especially your state would like to soo they with an unemployment rate of more than 11%. for the people of michigan, how do you see this trade deal? >> i think the president hopes we're going to sell more cars in korea. the problem is this creative free trade deal is worse than nafta. it's going to allow our jobs to be shipped oversees to countries like china. the point is this. even if the u.s. car manufacturers sell cars in korea, those cars with k be be made with parts from a foreign country like china. we're shipping jobs is out of u.s. to china. that's not right, not at a time

where americans need jobs. i want to make a pernlt point. my dad left his home country of india many decades ago to work in a detroit foundry to mold the metal that makes those cars. . making metal, that's where the real value is in manufacturing. this free trade agreement allows the majority of u.s. manufactured cars to be made with parts from china. that's worse than nafta and i oppose that because we need jobs in america, not in china. >> congressman, you've about been an advocate of high-speed rail and infrastructure spending as a way to create jobs here in the country. why is government spending as opposed to tax credited as opposed to private businesses the answer? >> it's one answer, especially when you have public access like roads and sewer systems that need to be repair. we need to secure our water systems. i'm on the homeland security

committee, and right now many americans are vulnerable to having their drinking water poisoned by a terrorist. so these are all assets that we all benefit from. that meese why we pay taxes to support that. so if we repair that infrastructure, that will help create jobs and secure our country better. >> congressman hanson clark, nice to have you on. thanks for spending time with us today. >> you're very welcome. the tea party likens itself to the martin king junior. that's not all they're doing to go after wall street protesters. we're going to talk with the ref rend al sharpton. having tripleta ha hais such a bles. not financially. so we switched to the bargain detergent, and i found myself using three times more than they say to and the clothes still weren't as clean as with tide. so we're back to tide. they're cuter in clean clothes. that's my tide. what's yours?

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leaders. he says the anti-wall streeters are more like malcolm x and black panther party leaders while the tea party more closely resembles dr. martin luther king jr. dr. king's d.c. memorial will be honored in a dedication on sunday where president obama will be delivering a speech as well as my next guest who's going to be speaking that day as well. our own reverend al sharpton, host of politics nation right here on msnbc. nice to see you this morning. >> glad to be here. >> i don't know when you get time to sleep because you're always working and doing something or traveling somewhere. let's talk about the comparisons they're making. when you hear something like that, what does it say to you about how the tea party is viewing the only pie wall street protesters and is it a fair comparison? >> i think that they're trying to in some ways distinguish somethi

something. first they're ignores the fak that the occupation wall street group has raised serious economic issues that many of us in today's civil rights movement has embraced. i don't know of anyone who's embraced it. he fought racial segregation, economic disparities. i don't see any of that in the tea party platform. in fact, many of them advocate the rights they fought against when they talk about the i have a dream speech. that was states rights, which is the tea party. so it's almost the height of rewriting history to compare yourself to someone whose message you're antithreat call to. >> when you see the occupy wall

street growing nationally and the surge that it's creating, why do you think that the two sides don't realize that they're basically going after the same thing when it comes to financial responsibility from the leaders of our government? >> well, because i think that one is calling for accountability from the standpoint of saying that 1% has controlled too much. and the other is trying to talk about restructured government, not restructured how the private sector operates in government. so one has a focus on wall street. another has a focus on washington. and a state's rights movement and replacing big government. and i think that there's a fundamental disagreement on where they're trying to go. >> let's talk about what you have coming up tomorrow. the jobs and justice march in washington, d.c. how does that fall in line with what we're seeing nationally with the okay pile wall street protests that are going on. >> we planned in august around

memoria memorial. urban league unions are saying that there is a disproportionate amount of unemployment in african-american communities. there's a goal to end collective bargaining reunions. our march is to say that we must deal with the jobs issues, unemployment. ironically it's better tomorrow than it would have been in august because now we're in the middle with the jobs plan being stalled in the senate by the senate. what do we do now. this will be an outpouring to say we want jubs, we must have jobs, and this is what dr. king would have wanted to have raised on a weekend that memorializes him, as well as the fact that king died fighting for the right of collective bargaining in memphis. so that's what the big march will be about tomorrow. >> and then sunday. >> sunday the president will do the official dedication of the memorial. dr. king's fraternity raised the money and has built this great monument.

it is a start. all of us will be there to hear the president and some of us will also be speaking on the program along with martin luther king iii and his children. >> what does it mean to you? >> it means a lot. i grew up in the aftermath. i with us 13 when i joined in new york, the movement, the year he died. i knew his wife, worked with her and i worked closely with martin. but even in my early life i never dreamed i would see a monument to martin luther king on the potomac where lincoln, washington, and jefferson is. it's truly a historic weekend. >> and president obama's modern-day relationship with civil rights leaders, what is it? >> i think it's good. i think every president deals with the civil rights movements on the ground in their team. president obama works with a the urban league and the nacp and myself. kennedy dealt with dr. king and randolph. he's dealing with those in his

generation that are active on the field. the advantage that president obama has is that he was a community organizer, so he knows who's on the ground moving and he knows those that are just positioning themselves for whatever that are not really on the ground. but when you think about what's going on on the ground now from racial injustice to police brutality to troy davis, the groups that are on the ground are the groups that he has given access to. we agree all the time. >> but i think he has a good open-door relationship. >> we wish you the best with tomorrow's jobs and justice march. >> thank you. >> i want to pass on the program you can catch the rev reynolds al sharpton right here on politics nation at 6:00 p.m. on msnbc. i told the reverend you're giving it to them, letting them have it. rush limbaugh stepping into the light. how will this kind of talk affect a possible romney-led ticket in 2012? we'll talk about that. plus police arresting protesters

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all right. so a long-term solution is being made to clean up zuccotti park in new york. they've been set up shop for 28 day. earlier today, violent run-ins with police led to 14 arrests. the anti-wall street movement is getting support from the political aspect moveon.org. justin, explain to all of us why you are at zuccotti park right now and why your organization has decided to throw its support behind the protesters. >> sure. thanks, thomas, for having me. you know, move on is here and i'm here because the issues that

are being raised by the folks down here at occupy wall street, the fact that we have an economy that's working for 1% of us while 99% of the people are being left behind, corporate greed and wall street greed that are really destroying the american dream. these are the same things that our members and millions of other people, i think, have been talking about and concerns that they share. we're working in sol dairlt and supporting them however we can. >> justin, protesters feel the planned clean-up is a ploy to dismantle their movement to get them to pack up, move out, and face new restrictions on trying to get back in. are those fears justified? >> absolutely. that's definitely happened before. and secondly if you look at the rules they said protesters are going to have to abide by, thain clud things as no sleeping bags as it's starting to get cold and no lying down. this is a pretty transparent attempt by the mayor and brookfield who okperates the

park. they say we will not be moved, we're going to stay here because hundreds of thousands of people around the country spoke up in defense of them. i think that eviction didn't happen and that's an important victory for the first aechlt and for american the democracy. >> justin, know tell occupy wall street movement is collectively a movement to take a look at the financial system here in the country asking them to play by more fair rules. if people are asking somebody of occupy wall streeters of playing by the rules do you thing they're showing not to have good faith or they're hypocritical because they might be asked to play with restrictions already in place? >> i definitely don't think so. what occupy wall street has been saying, is, a, we have a first amendment right to be here. the action they've been taking is in the proudest tradition of the protest movements that have

helped make this country great. secondly they've been saying we will clean this space. they did that yesterday. move on member case down to help out and pitch in. one member brought a power sprayer. they have cleaned this park. i think fundamentally, any attempt to use rules to end the occupation is an attack on the first amendment. and, you know, i think it would be a setback for this growing movement to say we need the economy to work for 99% of us and not just for the tiny few that have gotten rich. >> justin ruben, expectative director of moveon.org. some major voices on the right are questioning his conservative credentials. one prominent voice belongs to that of rush limbaugh. take a listen. >> romney is not a conservative. he's not, folks. you can argue with me all day long on that, but he isn't. you know that the republican establishment's trying to nail

this down and end it. you know that that's happening. and i know that you don't want that to happen, and neither do i. >> let's bring in our panel, alicia minnendez. i want to start with you. far from being a ringing endorsement from rush limbaugh, mitt romney is not going to change who he is overnight or next year. how worried should republicans be that a romney-led ticket won't be playing a big role at the ballot box? >> this is like deja vu all over again. mitt romney was the governor of massachusetts. he was running for the united states senate in 1994 against ted kennedy. massachusetts is not a republican state.

massachusetts is an overwhelmingly blue state. if you take a look at scott brown. any type of statewide candidate on the republican side is probably going to be much more moderate than the mainstream republicans in the south and so fourth. so i'm not sure why we're having this con very situation it's a conversation we had four years a ago. >> alicia it was a short 40 days ago with were talking about frontrunner rick perry. then we had this moment from his wife yesterday, anita, where she mentioned that the campaign and her husband had been, quote, brutalized. here is the response, though, this morning from rick perry. take a listen. >> family members always take these campaigns a little more personally than the candidates do. i've been shot at and missed and shot at and hit for 20 years running if for public office. we have our ups and downs. the fact is those are just

distractions. >> can you sum up for us what all this means, aslee shah, especially whelp especially when it comes to it. >> as a family member of the electing, alicia, i hear you. it's hard. this is politics. welcome to it. he raszed $17 million. that's significant. it beat romney's numbers, $14 million. what he needs do is get out of the weeds, stop talking about the hvp vaccine and immigration and start talking about his job creation plan and what he thinks the future is for america. if he can do that, i think he has an opportunity because mitt romney simply cannot seal the deal. >> all right. so our campaign inbed caught up with anita perry. take a listen to what she has to say.

>> hue do you feel when you hear what people are saying about your husband? >> i take a deep breath and hope people give him a fair listening opportunity, listen to what he has to say. i can't say that i'm a she lion. you know, i'm married to the man. i've known him since i was 8 years oil. he's a good man, a principal. makes tough decisions. he's a leader. i just want everybody to give a fair look at him. >> certainly a softer and a genuine tone there. is she now a sympathetic figure or a campaign problem. robert, i'll ask you first. >> this is anita perry, virgin, 1.0. we saw this with michelle obama when she stumbled a little bit with some of the comments she made in 2008. we saw this with hilgry clinton, nancy reagan. this is what happens when your spouse runs for president and this is the ifrt first time on the national stage. i would suggest, thomas, that

anita perry, 2.0 probably won't be speaking to a reporter in the car about her feelings. thing that's over. >> what do you think about it and the big number that's going to help rick perry with the $15 million in the bank, use it wisely, right? >> absolutely. i think we see them being trotted out because they offer a measure of authenticity. after the last debate you had rick perry actually making out with his wife anne on stage. she's been trotted out because she's a lot more likeable. as to your question about money, i think you're already seeing tremendous money being dumped into the ad wars, both in english and in spanish, which i think is very interesting. i think for romney, he's trying to shore up, make it clear that this is his race, and for perry, this is all about taking romney down. >> alicia menendez, robert traynham. thank you. have a wonderful weekend. >> thank you.

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welcome back, everyone. incredible pictures of a tornado. people were stuck in traffic using cell phones to take pictures of the tornado. it was a severe storm hitching the washington metro area. the worst damage was in vienna, virginia, knocking over trees and power lines. look at that. parents of lisa irwin have

released new videotape of the missing baby girl. she was missing last week. these videos were taken between january and march of this year. the family is hoping that the videos will spark new leads in this case. duane stanton is a former investigator with the d.c. police homicide division and joins us now to talk more about that. dwarn, the family has obviously been under a ton of scrutiny when it comes to this case. what do you make of the parents deciding to release these new images, this new video of baby lisa? >> thomas, i'm perfectly okay with the release of the video. it may very well assist in the investigation. if by chance baby lisa is with her abductors somewhere in public, someone sees this video, looks over and sees baby lisa, is able to notify the authorities, hey, i just saw that baby. one thing we need to keep in mind is typically speaking, these abductors of babies are family members or friends of family members. typically when it's a friend of

family member, no harm really comes to the child because the reason for them abducting the baby is they want a child for themselves so they keep the baby safe and secure. >> well, the biggest fear is that something has happened to baby lisa and i'm talking about the fact that she may not be with us anymore. in your experience for a child to be missing for 11 days now, what are the chances that she will be found safe and alive? >> it's unfortunate but it's slight to none at this point. it's been way too long. >> duane, when we look at the evidence that has come forward so far, do you really think that the leads that police have to go on have been a help or a hindrance? by that i mean by the fact that they were able to see that if front door was open, according to the father. that the window looked open, the three cell phones were gone? what does that say to you? >> there are a lot of red flags, thomas, in this case. all of those things, of course, need to be thoroughly investigated. but also i understand there was a problem with the passing of a

test. there was a problem with the parents cooperating with the police. all of those are red flags, and should cause alarm to the investigators who are getting case. >> i just want to keep that phone number up for anyone who may have information on baby lisa irwin. the number 816-474-8477. former homicide investigator duane stanton. thanks for coming on. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. >> absolutely. it's national coming out week do. you know that the companies of more than half of the states in the u.s. are allowed to fire people for being gay? the risks of being out of work. we take a look coming up next. back pain. then i tried this. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for. salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours. and my pharmacist told me it's the only otc pain patch approved for sale using the same rigorous clinical testing that's required for prescription pain medications. proven. powerful. safe.

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we got jointly be together on a panel. and i saw these stats and i wanted to have you on right away. you surveyed close to 3,000 people online and you found out that 48% lgbt are not out at the workplace. what should people take away from that especially in modern time? >> the positive is that 52% are out in the workplace which is fantastic. but for those who are not, this had an impact on theiren gaugement in the workplace, in their trust in their company. so it can impact overall productivity. >> mainly your focus was on gen xors.

>> the psychological effects of those staying in the closet and are not out at work, what are they? >> we saw that those that are in the closet at work have a higher perception that their workplace may treat lgbt employees unfairly. they feel more likely to not be happy with their rate of advancement and may be looking for their next job. >> there is productivity factor that goes into all this because the people who said they are out at work show that they had more loyalty to the employer that they are with. >> they are happier with their career progression. they are not feeling stalled. they feel their workplace is an open and onnest place for them. >> in 29 states it would be legal for employers to fire you being being gay. what are they? how can straight colleagues, the

straight allies learn from a study like this? >> i think that stat always shocks people. a lot of companies have the policies. they have policies that wouldn't allow someone to be fired. it is important for straight employees to see themselves as allies and make sure to be there to thwart bad feelings or comments. >> what is something that you didn't think you would come away from the survey with? >> i think the number of people that are not out. we feel we have made a lot of progress in this country but clearly not enough. it is a place where they are exposed to a lot of things.

so the fact that we still have such a high number of people is of concern. >> karen, i told you i was going to get you on. thank you very much. we set up a graphic where they could get resources for lgbt resources. that's going to do it for me today. i want to see you back here next week. until then you can follow me on twitter. stay tuned, richard picks things up for the next hour. >> occupy wall street protesters take to the streets in almost 200 cities. find out how popular the group has become among voters and rik perry's wife comes out swinging at critics and we will take you on a tour to the martin luther king memorial straight ahead on mns. for unlimited mobile to mobile minutes. you're kidding. no. where's that money coming from, steve? did it even cross your mind to ask your wife before signing us up for something so expensive?

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just a short time after demonstrators found out they could stay in the park they headed towards the new york stock exchange and got into angry exchanges there. >> on the sidewalk, folks. >> it's called occupy wall street. some demonstrators seem to be taking that too literal. >> on the sidewalk. on the sidewalk. >> protesters clashed with police. just before dawn a show down was ave averted. overnikt protesters -- >> i think if you compare it, you will find it to be pretty clean. >> no forced eviction. >> it wouldn't be in the city's interest to come in and arrest hundreds of people. >> this is what democracy looks like. >> hundreds have take on the the