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see little change from 50 years ago. neighborhoods with underfunded schools and broken down slums, and inadequate health care and constant violence, and neighborhoods in which too many young people grew up with little hope and prospects for the future. our work is not done. and so on this day, in which we celebrate a man and a movement that did so much for this country, let us draw strength from those earlier struggles. first and foremost, let us remember that change has never been quick. change has never been simple or without controversy. change depends on persistence, and change requires determination.
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it took a full decade before the moral guidance of brown versus board of education was translated into the enforcement measures of the civil rights act and the voting rights act, but those ten long years did not lead dr. king to give up. he kept on pushing. he kept on speaking. he kept on marching until change finally came. and then even after the civil rights act and the voting rights act passed, african-americans still found themselves trapped in pockets of poverty across the country. dr. king didn't say those laws were a failure, and he did not say this is too hard or let's settle for what we got and go home. instead, he said let's take those victories and broaden our mission to achieve not just civil and political equality,
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but also economic justice. let's fight for a living wage and better schools and jobs for all who are willing to work. in other words, when met with hardship, when confronting disappointment, dr. king refused to accept what he called the isness of today. he kept pushing towards the oughtness of tomorrow. and so as we think about all the work that we must do, rebuilding an economy that can compete on a global stage, fixing our schools so that every child -- not just some, but every child gets a world class education, and making sure that our health care system is affordable and accessible to all and that our economic system is one in which everybody gets a fair shake, and everybody does their fair share, and let's not be trapped by what is. we can't be discouraged by what
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is. we have got to keep pushing for what ought to be, the america we ought to leave to our children, mindful that the hardships we face are nothing compared to those dr. king and his fellow marchers faced 50 years ago, and if we maintain our faith in ourselves and in the possibilities of this nation, there is no challenge we cannot s sir mount. just as we draw strength in dr. king's struggles, so must we draw inspirationrom his constant insistence on the oneness of man. the belief in his words that we are caught in an inescapable network of mutualality, and it
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was that insistence in his christian faith that rooted him to tell a group of protesters, i love you as i love my own children, even as a rock glanced off his neck, and it was that insistence, that belief that god resides in each of us, from the high to the low, in the oppressor and the owe pressed, and it convinced him that people and systems could change. it fortified his belief, and it led him to see his charge as not only freeing blacks from the shackles of discrimination, but freeing americans of every color
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from t from poverty. so at this moment, which our politics appear so sharply polarized, and faith in our institutions so greatly diminished, we need more than ever to take heed of dr. king's teachings. he calls on us to stand in the other person's shoes, to see through their eyes and to understand their pain, and he tells us that we have a duty to fight against poverty, even if we are well off. to care about the child and the decrepit school. to say that we are bound together as one people, we must constantly drive to see
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ourselves in one another, and is not to argue for a false unity, the differences and it ratifies an unjust status quo. it was true 50 years ago and has been true throughout human history. those with power and privilege will often cry as any change as divisive, and they will say any change is unwise and destabilizing. dr. king understood that peace without justice was no peace at all. that aligning our reality with ideals often requires the speaking of uncomfortable truths and the created tension. and he understood that to bring about true and lasting change, there must be the possibility of
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reconciliation, any social movement has to channel this tension through the spirit of love and mutualality. if he were alive today, he would remind us the unemployed worker can challenge the excesses of wall street without demonizing all who work there. the businessman can enter tough negotiations with his company's union without vilifying the right without collectively bargaining. he would want us to know we can argue fiercely without questioning each other's love for this country. with the knowledge that in this democracy, government is no distant object, but rather an expression of our common commitments to one another. he would call on us to assume the best in each other, rather than the worst. and challenge one another in ways that ultimately heal rather than wound.
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in the end, that's what i hope my daughters take away from this monument. i want them to come away from here with a faith in what they can accomplish when they are determined and working for a righteous cause. i want them to come away from here with a faith in other people and a faith in a bough nevada lunt god. this will remind them of dr. king's strength, but to see him larger than life would do a d disservice to what he taught us about ourselves, and he would want them to know that he had setbacks, because they will have setbacks, and he would want them to know they will have doubts because he had doubts, and he
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would want them to know he had flaws because all of us had flaws. dr. king was a man of flesh and blood and not a figure of stone that he inspires us so. his life, his story, tells us that change can come if you don't give up. he would not give up no matter how long it took because in the smallest hamlets and the darkest slums, he witnessed the highest reaches of the human spirit, because in those moments which the struggles seem most hopeless, he had seen men, women and children conquer their fear, and he saw the crooked places made straight and god make a way out of no way, and that is why we honor this man. because he had faith in us. and that is why he belongs on this mall, because he saw what
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we might become. that is why dr. king was so american, because for all the hardships we have endured, and for all our sometimes tragic history, ours is a story of optimism, and achievement and constant striving that is unique upon the earth, and that's why the rest of the world still looks to us to lead. this is a country where ordinary people find in their hearts the courage to do extraordinary things, and the courage to stand up in the face of resistance and to spare and say this is wrong and this is right, and we will not settle for what the cynics tell us we have to accept, and we will reach again and again no matter of odds for what we know is possible. that is the conviction we must carry now in our hearts, as tou tough as ties may be, i know there are better days ahead and i know this because of the man towering over us, and i know
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this because all he and his generation endured, we are here today in a country that dedicated a monument to that legacy. so with our eyes on the horizon, and our faith squarely faced in one another, let us keep striving, let us keep struggling, and let us keep climbing towards that promise land of a nation and a world more fair and just and more equal for every single child of god. thank you, god bless you, and god bless the united states of america. ♪ >> the president appropriately now getting a warm embrace from his wife there, and i think on the heels of that speech, i am a
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parent before i am anything at all. the anchor gig is a great-paying gig and i love it, but i think about life as a parent first, and what i loved was speaking to the president speak to his daughters, but almost as parent or father in chief talking to the young minds that will be inspired for what happens from this point forward, when they go to washington, d.c. and listen to him and what he has said, that to me is so profound. >> it's so much of the reason why we have the monument on the mall. you live in washington and you see families coming with their kids and reading the inscriptions, and parents talking to their children about lincoln, about jefferson, about washington, and about roosevelt, and now about dr. king and his legacy and what lessons his life
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>> was that stevie wonder? >> that is stevie wonder. >> this is an exciting day and exciting moment. i goal set ago met, i knew in 1980 when i was in atlanta, georgia, and the night before i wrote this song that i imagined us being in a march, and we were marching to make dr. king's birthday a national holiday. i knew then, i touched the dream and i saw it as i did hear today
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celebration ♪ ♪ in our minds there ought to be a time ♪ ♪ that we would set aside show just how much we love you ♪ ♪ i am sure you would agree ♪ and we have a party on the day you came to me ♪ ♪ happy birthday, happy birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you, happy birthday ♪ ♪ i never understood, how someone could died for good, could not have a day that would be set aside for his
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recognition ♪ ♪ because it should never be ♪ just because some cannot see ♪ the dream as clear as he that they would make it become an illusion ♪ ♪ and we all know everything, that he stood for time will bring ♪ ♪ for peace in our hearts will sing, thanks to martin luther king ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday ♪ ♪ why has there never been a holiday, where peace is celebrated all throughout the world ♪ ♪ time is overdue
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♪ for people like me and you ♪ who know the way to truth ♪ is love and unity, to all of god's children ♪ ♪ it should be a great event ♪ and the whole day should be spent ♪ ♪ in full remembrance ♪ of those who lived and died for the oneness of all people, and so let us all begin ♪ ♪ we know that love can win ♪ let it out, don't hole it in ♪ sing it loud as you can, happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you, happy birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ happy birthday to you, happy
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birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday ♪ happy birthday ♪ happy birthday ♪ happy birthday, happy birthday ♪ ♪ happy birthday >> well, to the voice of stevie wonder who has not lost a beat, has he? he is just remarkable. as we look at the president and the first lady making their way off the premises, and what a
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powerful speech. we all were collectively applauding the way he began that speech, how he acknowledged this was a monument to the collective achievement of so many. >> he did a couple really important things, the president in this speech, and i think i am a little emotional, and stevie wonder took me over the edge there, and maybe because i remember being a little girl during the movement for the king holiday, and i remember that song coming into being, and that's the only way we sing happy birthday now in a lot of households. the president began by saying this is a collective monument, it's a monument to the masses who were part of the movement, and he named some, and others he said names we never may know, but they completed work for which dr. king stands, and then
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he brought the children, and he said he wanted children to remember that dr. king was flawed, that he had doubts, that he was profoundly human, not that he was wrought out of stone, because i think we have a sense, ourselves we can be leaders, when we know that leadership need not be perfect, if we think dr. king was always perfect and confident and exactly certain of which way he would go, you would think i am not capable of that sort of leadership, but combining the collective and the imperfect together in a human who nonetheless made these kinds of contributions, i thought it was a really important spraech. >> i agree it was a powerful speech and moments, and we shall overcome was a powerful moment, and they swayed back and forth, and i thought back to times when, you know, that song was
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sung, and it was still very much in the balance. as to how this civil rights movement was going to work out. that was a powerful moment. i thought with a was one of the fascinating things about the president's speech is the way he did bring it to the contemporary moment. he emphasized that nearly 50 years ago, the march on washington was called the march on washington for jobs and freedom. he talked about economic justice, and kind of defined that as today's issue. >> as we think about today, we look back now to the "i have a dream speech." >> and what will go down as history, as the greatest demonstration for freedom in our nation. [ applause ]
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>> five years ago, a great american in whose symbolic shadow we stand today, signed the proclamation. it gave hope to millions of negro slaves, who had been sheared in the flames of withering injustice. it came as a joyioous daybreak,o end the long night of their captivity, but 100 years later, the negro still is not free.
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words of the constitution and declaration of independence, they were signing the promisory note, and it was a promise to which every american was to fall hare. this note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the unleanable rights of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. it is obvious today that america has defaulted on this promisory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. instead of honoring this sacred obligation, america has given the negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds.
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but we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. we refuse to believe that there are in sufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. and so we've scum to cash this check, a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. we have also come to this hollowed spot to remind america of the fierce urgency of now. now is the time to make real the promises of democracy. now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sun lit path of racial justice.
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now is the time to lift our nation from the quick sands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. now is the time. there are those who are asking civil rights, when will you be satisfied. we can never be satisfied as long as the negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. we will not be satisfied as long as the negro in mississippi cannot vote and the negro in new york believes he has nothing for which to vote. no, we are not satisfied and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters
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and rightiousness like a mighty bridge. and let us not wallow in the valley of despair. i say to you, my friends. and so even though we face the difficulties of today and tomorrow, i still have a dream. it is a dream deeply rooted in the american dream. i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of it's creed, and we hold these truths to be self evidence that all men are
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created to be equal. i have a dream that one day on the red hills of georgia, the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brod hood. i have a dream that one day even the state of mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. i have a dream today!
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i have a dream that one day dmoun alabama, where the lips will be dripping with the words of nullification. one day in alabama little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. i have a dream today! i have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, and every hill and mountain shall be made low and the rough places will be made plain and the cooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the
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lord shalling revealed and all flesh shall see it together. this is our hope, and this is the faith that i go back to the south with. with this faith, we will be able to transform the january guling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood, and with this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, and to struggle together and to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. this will be the day -- this will be the day when all of god's children will be able to sing with new meaning, my country 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee icing, land where my fathers died, land where the pilgrim's pride, from
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every mountainside, let freedom ring. from the hilltops of new hampshire, let freedom ring. from the mighty mountains of new york, let freedom ring from the heightened alleghenies of peninsula. let freedom ring from the snow-capped rockies of colorado. let freedom ring from the slopes of california. let freedom ring from stone mountain of georgia. let freedom ring from lookout mountain in tennessee. let freedom ring from every hill and mole hill of mississippi, and from every mountainside. let freedom ring. and when this happens, when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, and from every state and every city, we will be
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able to speed up that day when all of god's children, black men and white men, jews and gentile sechlt, we will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old negro spiritual, free at least, free at last, thank god almighty, we are free at last! today is all about echo -- >> there you see the woman that released the video for the i have a dream speech for the crowd to enjoy. in summary of this morning and the afternoon's events, melissa harris perry, your thoughts when i think about the present day of what has happened, and you are looking back at that powerful speech in this same place, what does that say to you?
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>> well, my father was a young man standing there. he and his twin brother were there at the mall at that time. and you are just a structure of the speech. king repeats over and over again, 100 years later, 100 years later reminding us of the historical moment, and then he says now is the time, and he does that repeatedly, and then takes us to the future, i have a dream of this and that, and then he ends on the note of almost undeserved patriotism, this notion of america as a great place, despite the fact that she has not yet lived it out. he talks about all the beautiful parts of america that could be more beautiful in the context of freedom. for me, what is exciting is how much that speech -- also by the way, the visual, the architect, the trooper standing on his left, all of that is still so
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present, so important for us in this moment to remember the history, to speak to this moment, but to continue to have a kind of optimistic leaning towards an american future, that can be better than anything that we have actually ever seen. >> eugene robinson. >> there is a reason that's a speech for the ages, because it does speak -- it spoke to that time and it speaks to our time and it will speak as eloquently 100 years from now, because it's about a universal yearning for justice. this is an acute moment i think for those themes to be emphasized, and for us to think about them. but there will be more moments. there will be moments ten years from now and 20 years from now. >> and parts of the president's speech will have moments. there was power there. >> yes, and it echoed the themes
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of i have a dream speech. 13 minutes, you know. you don't have to speak for an hour and a half to have impact -- >> that's what i was saying, those 13 minutes, look at what those 13 minutes accomplished, and you make a good point as you both have all morning and this afternoon. thank you very much. it's a pleasure to be here with both of you. so i believe right now we are able to go and speech with the president and ceo of the naacp. thank you for joining us. i know it has been a profound day for all of you gathered there. tell me your initial thoughts about how this day has gone? >> it's a day of great pride and humility, and it's a day that reminds us how far we have come since the 1960s, the 1940s, and it also reminds us how far we still have to go. and this is a country right now that is very much on fire with
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the spirit of dr. king. young people across this country on wall street, atlanta, throughout the country, saying we are the 99%, and we want this nation to be 100%. we want this nation that is so divided right now to be one nation, to get beyond racism, and to get beyond, you know, kind much petty class foolishness that keeps so many people from working in a nation that is the wealthiest country on earth. >> ben, i guess i have to ask about when you look at the struggles in the black community right now, the record unemployment, the housing crisis that is out there, does the broader context of what is happening, does it change the tone of what is happening today? >> you know, right now we live i think as the country as always lived, in two worlds at once.
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one is a world of aspiration in which we realize the nation has great ideals and opportunity, and the other is the world of our situation, which is tough. the rich are at prerecession levels of wealth, and yet the rest of us are struggling with deep depression levels of poverty. and that twoness is very much where black people live right now, and frankly where we have always lived and on the one hand we could be so full of pride and hope and on the other hand so committed to keeping our country moving where dr. king wanted to see it go. >> ben, where do you think dr. king would stand on things in the way that america as evolved since his time in the '60s. how pleased do you think he would be and how disappointed do you think he would be? >> dr. king said two months to the day before he died that it would be tragic for us to stop
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now. he was clear there was a long road in front of us, even in 1968 when the country had so much more hope in so many ways, and he was focused on bringing the movements of the country together, and the n tie war movement and civil rights movement, and the anti-poverty movement, and what is going on in this country, as brown children in families are being terrorized in the south, and then the segregation of schools, and white families across the country is struggling with the reality of so much poverty, and we just don't incarcerate more black people, we incarcerate more white people than any country on earth. this is a time to read his letter from the birmingham jail, and remind ourselves poor prisoners and prison guards have more in common than they don't, and rich and poor have more in common than we don't and we are
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all called to focus on the common humanity for the country to move closer to its ideals. >> and do you look, for example, the occupy wall street, the global movement out there, is that something that you could say is derived from his actions, and his cry for equality? >> it is very much of the same spirit. dr. king gave birth to a movement and was born from a movement. he understood that he lived right in the river of history in this country, and he came from the river and he sought to contribute to the river. i think he would understand and see that the occupy wall street movement -- i was talking to congressman john lewis about this earlier today, and he's very much of that same stream and that same current of protest and that same current of hope
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that says let us not be what we are right now but what we can be tomorrow, and that's what president obama spoke to, the isness and the outness, and we are so focused on the is necessary, and we fail to look at the oughtness. >> i absolutely loved that line. i am glad you brought that up, ben. final question to you, just your thoughts as you walk around that monument, the first time you saw that monument, how did that make you feel? >> you know, the first time i actually saw it was today. and it's humbling. it was humbling to see joe lowery just in front of me, one of the great warriors and soldiers of the civil rights movement, and one of the great generals in the civil rights movement, the first person of color to be president of the united states, to be surrounded
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by so many people, jesse jackson, and john lewis, who had really risked, you know, greatly to bring us to the place. again, this great moment of pride and humility, a moment where we can say we achieved a lot in the country, and yet we could also say there is a place on the national mall, this great hall of heroes to rededicate itself and say we have achieved a lot, but there is so much more to be done right now. >> and of course, you are one of those devoting your life, as the president and ceo, ben, thank you so much and great to see you. >> thank you. when we come back, everybody, some of the other news of the day. but first, the president and his speech a short time ago at the memorial. >> this memorial is not for him alone. the movement of which he was a part depended on an entire generation of leaders.
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welcome back. all the american troops in iraq could be coming home by the end of the year, and the white house is pushing back on the reports for today. and what are you hearing from the white house about withdrawing our troops? >> the white house officials, and pentagon officials are pushing back against the reports you just mentioned. they said discussions are on going and stress that no final decision has been made. here is the sticking point according to the reports. the obama administration apparently said 3,000 to 5,000 troops would remain in country to help train iraqi soldiers to
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help with the transition, but just a few weeks ago the iraqi parliament said, look, they can't provide legal immunity, or legal protection for those american soldiers that do remain in country, so that's a big sticking point. still, about 40,000 troops in iraq, more than 4,000 u.s. soldiers killed, and still, of course, an instable region, and there's a lot of concern if all of the troops are withdrawn, it will only further destabilize that region. one gop candidate is talking about the issue of withdrawing troops, and that's herman cain, the newly minted frontrunner, and take a listen to what he had to say. well, we apparently don't have that herman cain sound bite, but he says he does not believe the troops should be withdrawn by year's end, and he said he would consult with his top military
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officials before making a final determination about how many troops should be withdrawn. there's a gop debate coming up on tuesday, alex, and you can bet that all of the candidates will be weighing in on this issue. president obama turns back to his domestic agenda this week when he hits the road for a three-day bus tour, but the administration will undoubtly be answering questions about this. >> thank you from the white house. ahead in today's strategy talk, a look at the winners and losers in campaign fund-raising. i'm tired of shopping around. [ sigh ] too bad you're not buying car insurance. like that's easy. oh, it is. progressive direct showed me their rates and the rates of their competitors. i saved hundreds when switching. we could use hundreds. yeah. wake up and smell the savings. out there with a better way.
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also with me, robert train, the d.c. bureau. we have candidates raking in the huge amounts of money, much of which comes from the corporations. is there really no candidate that fits the movement? >> well, the problem is to be a legitimate candidate, the fact of the matter is you have to participate in the system as it works now which is raising massive amounts of money, and comparing the report to mitt romney, he is raising not very much money from wall street right now. the president is not. the last time around in 2008, he raised $1 million from goldman sachs employees, and right now, the wall street folks are not giving to him this time around.
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>> cantor spoke about the occupy wall street movement scolding some. is this pitting americans against americans as cantor believes? >> that's what republicans will have you to think, because they are running on the whole class warfare thing, basically saying this is putting an american against american, and i am not sure what cantor was saying as related to occupy wall street. the occupy wall street people remind me a lot of the tea party, in terms of them not having organization or having a natural leader, but they have a simple message, people are living paycheck to paycheck. >> and crystal, there are reports about the president want to go embrace the occupy wall street movement into his re-election campaign, and
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there's a poll showing 68% of independents have negative opinions of those institutions. >> i think we have seen before occupy wall street we saw the president moving towards a more economic populist message, and i think that, you know, that will benefit him. right now occupy wall street is popular. certainly their policy to the extent that they articulated policy positions, and the focus on income inequality, those are very important parts of the conversation, that quite frankly have been missing. this is a great way by embracing not only the movement, but what the movement is about. it's the great way for the president to excite his base. >> robert, i have five seconds for you to answer this. do republicans risk alienating voters by not embracing occupy wall street. >> the answer is yes in five seconds or left.
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