everyone, of course, but an awful lot of people would be wiped out. we would have seen -- would have been forced, of course, to retaliate. fortunately for the history of mankind we had a president who saw the movement of events towards global catastrophe, and through vision and force of will found a way to deliver us from the worst evil in human history, global nuclear war. jack kennedy, elusive hero. you can get it in stores november 1st or pre-order now on amazon.com. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being wit with al sharpton starts right now. hey, republicans. you thought one was hard to hand. how about the double team. >> i'm not the democratic president or the republican president. i'm the president. >> people say we're campaigning. we sure as heck are campaigning. we're campaigning to change this environment. >> they are talking about jobs.

just keep attacking the bus, guys. >> the president is riding around on a bus. >> i've never seen an uglier bus. >> $1 million american made canadian bus. >> most americans wouldn't the jobs bill we're pushing for. senator rob menendez on republicans getting desperate. from occupy wall street to occupy everywhere. but the right still doesn't get it. >> it's not -- >> dividing our nation. >> michael moore on the power and possibility of thunder from the left. plus, the chairman, ed rendell and michael steele on the gop debate in vegas. here's a question. can what happens in vegas stay in vegas for good? just wondering. >> what is going on? >> "politics nation" starts right now.

welcome to "politics nation." i'll al sharpton. tonight's lead. the issue is jobs. so why are washington republicans still having the wrong conversation? the president today urged republicans to put the american people first, not their own politics. >> but these members of congress, they work for you. and if they are not delivering, it's time you let them know. you've got to get on the phone or pay them a visit or write them a letter or tweet, whatever you do, and remind them to do the right thing. remind them of what's at stake here. remind them that no, we can't, is no way to face tough times. >> republicans, this is not the time to say no, we can't, not when the president is putting forth a plan that gets teachers

and first responders back to work. it's a plan that 75% of americans support, and guess what? so does 63% of your own party, 63%. remember, all of that talk you were giving us about the people's business. well, now's the time to act. that's exactly why the vice president is also out on the road. >> this isn't politics. this is politics 101 in the sense that we're trying to get something done. the president said it best. we have -- we have 13 more months to argue politics, but in 13 months tens of millions of people will have their lives altered. we don't have time to wait. >> this administration knows we can't afford to wait. jobs are what we need to be

talking about. but back in washington republicans are just stuck in attack mode. >> the president of the united states is trying to use his displeasure with washington tore political gain. the president should speak -- the president's policies have worked as advertised. president obama himself put in place. the president got everything he wanted. president obama demanded -- the president's response. the president has demanded. now the president is riding around on a bus. the president should drop his obsession. >> by the end of that speech mitch mcconnell, the republican leader in the senate, has slammed the president by name 23 times. that's not contributing to the jobs conversation. well, maybe because he doesn't really care about fixing the economy. after all, he did say this. our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny president obama a second term. >> joining me now is senator

robert menendez, democrat from new jersey. he joined with other democrats today to urge congress to pass the first portion of the president's jobs bill. thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> what will it take to get this bill passed, senator? >> well, i hope voices from across the country. this is something that should be clearly bipartisan. teachers, 400,000 educators that we'd save for our children's classrooms across this country, and we've seen from parents across the country, and in my home state of new jersey, who have seen those classroom sizes rise and many of the critical courses be no longer offered. about putting first responders, police and fire fighters, how quickly we forgot that on september 11th, that fateful day, those who responded was not the federal government. it was local police and fire fighters to that tragedy. >> now this -- just so people

understand it, senator. this bill that we now have before the senate, because they would not give the votes needed to have the whole bill, so now we're going piece by piece, and this first piece are first responders and teachers. this is what the republicans are threatening to say no to, as you're laying out the first responders that we depend on. >> absolutely. this is the teachers and first responders back to work act. we need to take teachers off the unemployment line back in the class root we need to take fire fighters and police officers off the unemployment line and back on the beat, and protecting our communities. i -- i remember, reverend sharpton, how all of the members of congress after september 11 wanted to take their pictures with police and fire fighters. we call them heros. we are heros. we need to respond to that by making sure they are back at work protecting us, and we need to get the teachers back in our classroom educating children so the nation can be competitive in the future. that's what this is all about. as and you pointed out so well,

75% of americans say this is a good idea. 63% of republicans say this is a good idea and we pay for all of this by 0.5 of 1% surtax on millionaires and those above $1 million. >> you know what's baffling to me. when we talk about, senator, that the 75%, three-quarters of the american public poll wants this, even 63%, almost two-thirds of republicans, why would this be a hard win? and when i look at the fact when we look at this poll which is very startling, this poll that says -- the question was asked do you hope the president succeeds or fails? among republicans 39% said they hope he succeeds. 51% said fail. we've become so partisan that against the trinterests of our country, first responders and teachers, you can't get more

vital than that. 51% are saying i'd rather see the president fail. i mean, it is amazing to me. >> that's what happened here the last two years. mitch mcconnell the republican leader has said my number one priority is to make barack obama a one-term president and he goes to work every day to ensure that happens by stopping passage in the united states senate by use of that procedure we call the filibuster where you need a super majority of the senate to pass anything, not the simple majority we used to learn growing up that 50 plus one is a majority. here in the senate he has made it 60, and so the result of that is very little gets passed here, and that's a way of effectuating that barack obama be a one-term president. the problem is you're not hurting barack obama. you're hurting the country and that's what's at stake, and that's why we should pass this bill to put teachers and fire fighters back to work. >> hold the presses. eric cantor is going to make a major speech on friday and all

of us can't wait. in fact, we tried to find out in advance what he's going to say. this may shock and amaze you, but let me give you the forecast what one of his top aides. one of his aides say, and i'm quoting. he's going to speak. this is what the aide told politico on how we can make sure that people at the top stay there. sounds like a confession in the police station to me when you've been charged with taking people's money and giving it to the rich. >> well, it certainly isn't about the conversation that i thought he said he was going to have about income inequality in the country which has risen dramatically. middle class families are rising higher than ever before and that started before this president took office. we were left behind with a near

recession, near depression, and you don't do this by having the middle class sacrifice at every turn and say to those at the very top that mr. cantor is quoted as saying or his staff as saying, let's make sure you stay at the very top while the rest of america is challenged and the rest of america has to sacrifice >> you know what is so to me humiliating to people that need jobs, need relief, that nothing to do with the beltway debate or media debate, none of that, that are really trying to make ends meet, seriously trying to figure out how they are going to get through this, and we're playing these distractive games. lack at all these republicans that all they are talking about is the president's bus. i don't care if he was riding a tractor. if we're talking about jobs, why are we obsessing on the president's bus, a bus, by the way, that was the same that mccain used and that they made two for the republican candidate

this time, but why are we talking about the vehicle rather than what we're talking about riding in hopes to achieve? watch what republicans are saying, senator menendez. >> now the president is riding around on a bus. >> a bus tour that the president is on, and a lot of is centered around the bus. i didn't need a bus. now there has been another bus purchased for whoever the republican nominee is. the republican nominee may not want a bus. >> we have the president traveling around the country in a million dollar canadian-made bus. >> senator, if he got on a bicycle, would they then vote to give the teachers and first responders jobs? >> you know, reverend sharpton, if in fact we have the cooperation of republicans in the congress, the president wouldn't have to go on the road to sell to the american people what they want and get them to get their members of congress to act responsibly so there wouldn't be any need to go on

the road? the only reason that the president is on the road is because they are intransigent and convinced that the way they get to achieve power and a majority in the congress and the presidency of the united states is to have the president fail so the president is talking directly to the american people, and all this other talk, you know, it's the old story about a lawyer. if he has facts, he argues the fact. if he has the law, he argues the law and if he doesn't have the facts or law on the side he bangs on the table and creates a distraction. that's all this is it. >> that's all it is. senator, thanks for coming on the show tonight. >> and thanks for fighting for the jobs bill in the senate, too. >> thank you. >> ahead, willard "mitt" romney changes again. you won't believe what he's saying about the foreclosure crisis. plus, herman cane's electrical fence problem won't go away. guess the joke's on him. and occupy wall street versus

the tea party. it's the debate raging for a month, and now the president weighs in. >> in some ways they are not that different from some of the protests that we saw coming from the tea party. >> michael moore responds exclusively here tonight. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspired by you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where you want to be. ♪ because your moment is now. let nothing stand in your way. learn more at keller.edu.

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the gop front-runners will need more than luck in vegas tonight. in nevada, willard made very clear who he is fighting for. here's his take on the foreclosure crisis. >> don't try and stop the foreclosure process. let it run its course and hit the bottom, allow investors to buy homes, put renters in them, fix the homes up and let it turn around and come back up. >> don't try and stop the foreclosure process? he doesn't want to help people struggling to stay in their homes? i guess i shouldn't be surprised. after all, he's having no problem keeping his $12 million house in california. he just wants to make it bigger. and then there's now famous picture of willard as ceo of

bain capital, but he is not the only one with the new credibility problem. herman cain seemed to have learned a little something about flip-flopping. his idea of an electrified border fence has exploded in controversy. >> we'll have a real fence, 20 feet high with barbed wire, electrified with a sign on the other side that says it can kill you. >> that's a joke. i've also said america needs to get a severance humor. that a joke, okay? >> i don't apologize for using a combination of a fence, and it might be electrified. i'm not walking away from that. i just don't want to offend anybody. >> so he's for it, and then it's a joke, then he's for it again. these guys must be sharing the same campaign notes. no wonder they are the republican leaders.

joining me now, ed rendell, former pennsylvania governor and nbc news political analyst and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and msnbc analyst. thank you for being here tonight. >> good to be with you, rev. >> mikeal, michael, michael. >> oh, geez. >> how can romney say he feels for the 99% when he says something like that about foreclosures and before you start spinning, and you're going to need a whole group of spinners to spin this one, but before you do it, nevada let me show you this, where they are debating tonight. >> right. >> nevada is number one, the highest foreclosure rate in the nation, so he goes to the state with the highest foreclosure rate in the nation, and he says let the foreclosures run its course. let the process do it so the investors can buy up the

properties, put some renters in it and make money. >> okay. that's what he said. so what's -- what's your problem with it? >> okay. thank you. i thank you, mr. steele. we'll play that back as a concession speech. >> mr. rendell, do you have a problem with that? >> rev, you didn't ask me a question. >> i just asked you. >> mr. rendell, do you have a problem with that? >> i think we should let michael respond. >> he wants to know why i have a problem with that. >> michael, listen to me for just a second. >> sure, go ahead. >> whether would governor romney says makes sense in a macro economic sense or not, i don't think it does, but it ignores human pain. it ignores suffering of u.s. citizens. look, it -- he was a good governor. i served with him for several years. he was a good governor. he's obviously an intelligent

guy but he's tone deaf. it's the reason why i don't think he'll ever get elected president. the american people want their neighbors to be able to preserve their right to own a home up to the very end. they want every chance, and ironically al this morning beau biden was on "morning joe" outlining a program that several attorneys general are doing all across the country which says before the foreclosure takes place there has to be mediation, the bank has to have somebody there who can renegotiate the terms of the mortgage agreement to give one last chance to people who deserve it to stay in their homes, and that's what we should be doing as a country. homeownership is the most sacred of all american rights, and to not understand what that means to people and families means you're absolutely out of step with the american people. >> michael, that's why i'm saying if we're in a state that has the record on foreclosures, forget whether you and mr. willard who ran bain knows business, i'm looking to you who

is offering to lead the country and my answer to you is let the process continue to take my house, so they can take my house and rent it out. >> reverend, this was the point of my asking you what was your point because you -- you set this up very nicely to try to secure willard as you affectionately call him, but you didn't complete the rest of the foreclosure story. remember, it was then candidate obama who made very clear what his administration would do in this regard, and yet reports out today are clearly indicating that the administration has not followed through. it has not put in place the complete foreclosure process and that's what romney was talking b.if the administration is saying it's going to take the lead on this, then let the process fold itself out so we can get to the bottom of those who put the bad loans in place, get to the bottom of dealing with those people who have snookered people into these bad loan situations so you've got to round this out. you're not going to get away

with, reverend, throwing this at romney and putting up his comment out of context and -- >> i asked you what romney said. >> i showed you what -- >> slow down. >> reverend, let me finish my point. let me finish my point, and i'll give it back to you >> i gave you your point. >> all right. reverend, if you're going to do that. >> romney said, michael, we were not comparing him to president obama's statement. >> oh, come on. it's all connected, and your problem, reverend, is that you want to pull out one chunk of this and don't think the rest of the cards don't fall. they do. >> was mr. romney responding to president obama's plan? >> going off the president's own comments as a candidate and as president. >> was mr. romney. >> to get to the bottom of the foreclosure problem and they haven't, reverend. >> when mr. romney said that, was he responding to a question about president obama's plan? >> you didn't play -- reverend, you didn't play the whole thing. i'm just telling you what i know. >> you're trying to bring in something that was not part of

what he said. michael, come on. >> you can spin this hour you want to. >> i played the tape. >> i know you're shilling for the administration, i get that, but this is the reality. you've got to put it in context. >> let's go back to the tape, there's only one context. >> there is not. >> reverend, you know there is not. >> oh, come on. >> look, if you want to be -- if you're going to be serious about this, then be serious about this. >> i sympathize with you, michael, romney doesn't give me anything to wrong with. let the people get foreclosed. >> he said go for the process that the president said himself he wanted. >> whatever. >> mr. rendell, the question is tonight, herman cain, let's go to michael's next problem. maybe he'll do a little better. >> maybe he'll do a little better. >> mr. cain, doesn't he's got to deal with, i'm sure, he has to deal with the electrified

fences. now he starts with what he says was a joke. he starts saying -- and we played the tape again. the problem is on this show we have tapes. we don't testify for these people. we let them speak for themselves. on tape as i played to the public he said maybe a fence, fence up there may be electrified and may have a sign there this will kill. then he goes and tells david gregory sunday it was a joke. >> then he goes next to sheriff joe and says i'm not apologizing for anything. just between you and i, i know we're democrats and he's going to say it's jaded, but doesn't that appear slightly inconsistent to you, governor rendell? >> well, sure it does, reverend. and i don't believe mr. cain is really a serious candidate. i don't believe he thinks he's a serious candidate, the polls notwithstanding. i want to go back, if i can, to what's a very important question and -- and michael was trying to

do the best he could. the answer is if you're running for president you shouldn't just attack your opponent, you should have solutions, and what governor romney said there was not a solution that is consistent with what the american people want in their hearts, not only for themselves but others. beau biden plan was a solution. what we did in pennsylvania, before i became governor, it was put in place and i increased the funding when the mortgage crisis hit, we have a plan in pennsylvania where we'll give homeowners who lose their jobs low -- no interest loans to -- to pay their mortgages until they get back to work. those are things that are positive solutions, and not saying that essentially, hey, you made a bad deal, you lost your job, you can't pay your mortgage, who cares. that's the answer. if you're running for president, don't just criticize the other guy, have positive solutions. >> michael, you can respond. >> look, i don't even disagree with that, nor do i disagree

with what ultimately al was saying about the sensitivities here, and i'm totally there with that, and i believe that, yeah, the way you say things at a time like this does matter and it connotes an attitude, if you will, about my situation and that is not helpful, but the only point i was trying to make is what romney was saying was trying to be consistent with what the administration had been saying about its desire to let this foreclosure process unfold and what they would do, which they haven't done, to make sure that happened. now to the point about herman ca cain. here again i don't see how you make a joke about somebody's desires to make a country in the first instance and then to put it in the context of, you know, it will kill you if you -- if you cross this fence, again, how you say that and how that resonates with voters does not send the right message, and i think whether herman cain is a serious candidate for the presidency or not in anyone's view, as a candidate for the

office, that is not a message you want to send beyond your base to the rest of the country, and i don't think the base really appreciates that, even though folks -- i think a lot of folks took it as a joke, but it is not portrayed as a joke by those who hear it. >> michael, let me say this, and you and i argue a lot. one of the things that was most appalling to me is i know, as much as you and i disagree and argue on this show, you never would have said one of those things because of the sensitivity. that's all i want to deal with, you can attack the president's plan and the insensitivity. i knew you would come through, i knew, it michael, and that's why we're going to keep on being friends. if i was in a foxhole, michael, i would be right there waiting on ed rendell. >> there you go. >> thank you, michael. >> thank you both for your time. >> ahead, talking about michaels, michael moore is going to join me live to talk about occupy wall street and voter suppression. [ male announcer ] succeeding in today's market

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the protests have refocused attention on the economic injustice and inequality in america. a new poll shows 67% of voters here in new york where the protests started agree with their views, a cause that has republicans on the defensive. >> growing mobs occupying wall street. >> dividing our nation at a time of crisis. >> it's anti-american because to protest wall street and the bankers is basically saying that you're anti-capitalism. >> left-wing lunatics and nuts whose first thing is to violate the law. >> they will come for you and drag you into the streets and kill you. >> fringe of the fringe of the fringe. >> very obeidant, complaint, smug, stupid idiots. >> when i was down there at occupy wall street, i didn't see a mob, i saw a movement, i saw people who cared about changing america for the better, and

joining me now to talk about this is a man who has tried to change america for the better, activist, filmmaker and author michael moore. he's marched with the occupy wall street in support. his new book "story of my life" is in book stores everywhere. >> we've never met. >> this is our first time. >> it's an honor to me. >> i can cross you off my bucket list. write down the names of 20 people you hope to me and i write down you. 19 to go. >> you've certainly been on my list. let's start with talking about -- you were down there early and have consistently supported what they are doing. even before it caught on, this kind of attention. where do you see it now as a movement, and where do you see it going? >> well, first of all, it's a

movement that's growing rapidly, and no one is making it grow. it is just happening so organically across the country, across the world, and it's just an amazing thing to witness. someone is asking me the other day, who are the organizers on this, how does this get organized? and i said well actually we were just down there on wall street. look up here at the stock exchange, goldman sachs, chase, they are the organizers of this, because they have ruined the lives of so many millions of people that they really didn't have to ruin. they used to just punk on the poor. >> right. >> it was like the poor had this miserable life, and we have this huge mizell class and as long as they gave the middle class, allowed the middle class to have some of the things that the wealthy get to have, your own house, a couple cars, a vacation, kids go to college, maybe we won't think that much about the poor.

>> right. >> and so -- >> it may not be the poors' fault. >> somewhere in the bible, there are l always be poor, and what is remarkable is so much of the middle class supported capitalism, supported the economic thing, the engine of the wealthy and never really minded the fact that the wealthy were wealthy because, well, the wealthy built the factory, we get to work. we have a wage, everything is fine. >> right. >> i think historians when they look at this time they are going to wonder why the wealthy overplayed their hand like this. why would they when they had it so good, they had the middle class voting for the politicians that the wealthy bought, you know, everything -- everything was running just fine. they were posting profits in the billions every year, but that wasn't enough for them. billions weren't enough. they wanted multi-billions. >> they call that greed, michael.

>> and -- and it's the dirtiest word in capitalism is enough. there's no such thing as a enough and what they did though was they started to ruin the lives of the very people who voted for their politicians and supported them all these years, the middle class, and -- and, you know, it's one thing if you've always been poor and you've never had those things. >> right. >> you wish you had them. life is pretty miserable without them, it's another thing when you've had that life, you've owned your own home, no problem with kids going to college, you know, you had the nice -- to have that and then to have it taken away from. >> that's what i think you're seeing on all sides of the political spectrum. >> that's right. >> i grew up here in brooklyn, new york. hi friends, because i was a boy -- i had friends that never came into manhattan until they were grown, but now you've had kids that grew up in the suburbs and had it all and they are foreclosing their houses and they are totally taken away any of their security and they are

acting like what are you talking about, what are you complaining about, when they have got $2 trillion in cash that they won't invest. >> and they are just sitting on which is historic. i don't know if people realize this. corporate america has never sat on that much cash in their own bank accounts. i mean, historically, they put it back into the economy. they build factories, invent things, make things, give jobs, et cetera, et cetera and that's how the whole things run. they have decided to withdraw that money from circulation so that nobody can have it and it sits in their accounts and they think that's their money. they think that's their money, and i guess legally it is, but morally, morally? >> right. >> the money that exists in circulation belongs to all of us as americans and we have this basic agreement with the american dream that if you work hard and your company prospers, you're supposed to pros persons and we realize that there's a big pie on the table and that that pie should be divided as fairly as possible, probably can

never be divided evenly, but fairly, but at least fairly. now what we have is 1% come to the table and say 40% of that pie is mine and take that pie and leave the 99% to fight over what's left. >> and many in the 99%, i think that's the challenge, that's why i and others were down and say, no, this movement is important, is that you can't alou them to play the 99% against each other because we're not each other's problem. >> right. >> and i think that that's the crabs in the barrel, would rather have a coalition uniting rather than climbing over each other and fighting. >> i was out at times square on friday, that 99% that you talk about, the one that they like to divide and have fight against each other. all kinds of people in times square saturday night. i'm sure there are people there that i disagree with,

pro-choice, you know, they are not. i'm sure there are people there that don't want any gun control laws, i do. i'm sure there are people there that don't approve of gay marriage. i do. but nobody was talking about that. those issues that they have used, those wedge issues that they have used to divide the working people of this country, they don't -- they are not being discussed at occupy wall street. nobody cares about that anymore. we care about the real basic thing that is hurting and affecting everyone and that is the 1% are running the show, and this is a democracy. >> that's right. >> and in a democracy 1% doesn't run the show. >> that's right. >> 100% runs the show. >> that's correct. >> there's one guy talking about 9-9-9. you and i are talking about 99%. can you stay with me one more segment. >> yeah, sure. >> i want to talk about another thing that's real dear to my heart, and we've been talking a lot about it on the show, voter suppression. i think you're a guy that can

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we're back with filmmaker and activist michael moore. we're talking about some big trouble coming up in 2012. the republicans plan to steal the election any way they can, billionaire money flooding into the system and efforts in 37 states to suppress the vote. this voter i.d., changing early voting, this in many ways is turning back what we celebrated in the life of dr. king with a memorial this weekend, and i know you have been outspoken on this. there's some way we must really bring this to the american public. this is anti-democracy. >> yes. exactly. i -- i'm going to the next few months make this one of my important causes because what they are trying to do here is reverse civilization. in the civilized countries on this planet, democracies. >> right. >> when do they vote? they vote on saturday, sunday or

election day is a holiday. if i would say a majority of democracies they want to encourage more people to vote or in some countries like australia it's the law. you have to vote, because they want an honest representation of everybody's feelings of who should be running the country. in this country we're going back, as we are in so many ways, back to the 1800s and the 1700s, and this attempt to reverse things. this is what is so amazing. there's a silver lining in this -- in this dark cloud and it's this. if the republicans and the conservatives thought that the majority of americans agreed with them on the issues, they wouldn't be trying to suppress the vote. >> that's true? they would be trying to get as many people voting as possible. they would say we've dsh we've got to set up voting booths at walmart, you know. we've got to -- right? it's because they know that -- >> if the more people that vote

they are in trouble. >> america is quite a liberal country, even though people don't call themselves liberals, they are liberals on most of the issues. >> and they believe in fairness. >> there's a fraudulent claim about voter fraud. out of 300 million votes cast, prosecutors can only convict 86 people. this is the bush justice department when they went after voter fraud, so this is a solution looking for a approximate not a problem looking for a solution, but it's what you said. they want to limit the amount of people voting in this country. >> right. >> and it means a lot to me coming out of the civil rights community, but -- you could be a right wing republican, if you believe in democracy, you should not want to see this happen. >> you should want this country run by the people, all the people, make sure everybody votes, and don't make it difficult. make it easy for people. make it -- make it really easy because what could be more important in a democracy than -- than knowing that those who are

governing do so at will of the people. >> that's right. >> all the people. >> i've got to ask you a question. i know you're not here to sell the book, there's a touching story that i want you to quickly share with our audience about you and i are the same age. >> yes. >> when you were 13, i was 13. martin luther king was killed. >> yes. >> and you were growing up in michigan. >> yes. >> tell us how you found out about it. >> there's a short story in this book called "the holy thursday," and it was the thursday actually before holy thursday. it was the thursday before palm sunday is when dr. king was assassinated, and i was an altar boy, and mass was over and i went outside to dump the incense out in the snow, and one of the dads had gone out to his car early to warm it up, and he heard the news. he stood up on his floor board and shouted over his door to everybody coming out of the

mass. they shout king, martin luther king is dead and a cheer went up. >> a cheer went up. >> not amongst all the people but a good number of them. >> they were cheering martin luther king's death. >> i'm 13, first of all, i'm in shock of hearing he was killed. >> this is in michigan, not mississippi. >> this is michigan, essentially an all-white town, and, again, to the credit of the majority of the people that were coming out. >> right. >> they didn't do that, but -- but it wasn't just one or two people that were cheering, and i just could not -- they had just come out of mass, and they heard this news, but people tend to forget that even in 1968, even in his last years, martin luther king was reviled by many people. >> no question. >> and it was difficult, difficult for him and for the move mement because so much of country still had not come to a place of love and a sense of justice about this issue of r e

race. it affected me for the rest of my life >> i wanted you to tell that story for several reasons. i wanted people to understand what makes you you. i wanted people also to understand that in the north as well as the south we had those elements of intolerance and that dr. king, who is revered now, was someone that was controversial and reviled. when you read all the stories now about people are not like king, they act like they acted like king when he was alive. it's amazing and i hope tin spires some of the activists getting involved now like wall street, don't worry about the criticism. any effective activists have to go through that. >> especially at the beginning, my god, when you start a movement. you're constantly put down, you're ridiculed. you're opposed. the cops have their billy clubs out, and every movement, whether it was the civil rights movement, whether it was women getting the right to vote. >> right. >> gay and lesbian, immigration, whatever. >> you name it, this is the

pattern, but here is the happy ending that takes place every time. justice prevails. >> all the time. >> the good guys and women win out. >> well, i want to have to leave it on that. i hope everybody reads the book. >> well, thanks for saying that. >> you and i are on the front lines dealing with the voter suppression. michael moore author of "here comes trouble, stories from my life." he's not a trouble-maker, he's a trouble breaker. congratulations on the new book. >> thanks so much. >> ahead, move over "jersey shore." i've got something even more outrageous. the 2012 republican race. that's next. [ male announcer ] what's the beat that moves your heart?

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idol" and with his 9-9-9 plan under fire from all sides critics are singing the blues. >> it was pitchy in spots. i don't feel it. >> always controversial michele bachmann had that "x-factor" when she started. >> one-term president! >> but odds are vegas of all places won't be kind to her. >> let's all say happy birthday to elvis presley today. >> and then there's rick perry, still "dancing with the stars," but with every debate his texas two step is drawing low marks across the country. >> show up or shut up. >> and the spoiler alert. ron paul isn't getting a rose in tonight's ceremony. so who is the next one to get voted off? stay tuned to find out what happens when the gop stops being sensible and starts getting