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on the problems obama faces here at home. mary kay henry, representing more than 200 workers in various service fields, and we had to have you here because everybody has union presidents here, and it's great to have you all here. senate republicans last week block add vote on a $35 billion plan to help teachers and cops. now democrats are pushing a $50 billion plan that would help to save jobs while republicans are

trying to have a tax break for creators. in his weekly address yesterday president obama marked the end of the war and the death of moammar gadhafi. >> as we end these wars, we are focusing on the greatest challenge as a nation. rebuilding our economy and renewing our strength at home. over the past decade, we spent a trillion dollars on war, and borrowed heavily from overseas and invested too little in the greatest source of our national strength, our own people. now the nation we need to build is our own. we have to tackle the challenge with the same urgency and unity that our troops brought to their fight. that's why we have to do everything in our power to get our economy moving again. that's why i am calling on congress to pass the american jobs act. >> james, i want to get your take on this. it seems to me that you can have a lot of disagreements with a

whole lot of what the president does as a conservative, and i understand that, and you don't like the affordable care act or wall street bill, but on the narrow question of in the midst of a recession, spending money from the treasury, to prevent layoffs at the state level, seems like the low hanging possible fraught, and it's like saying let's not continue to cut jobs. what is the objection? explain to me the source of the objection to that? >> i would respond at two levels. first the argument is framed which is not helping the president. this strange of we're so bad the nation building, we should do it at home, and i don't think it's a great way to cut in the problem. but at the level of particulars,

and this is causing problem for the president as well, when you have a guy like ron paul going on and saying you have to empty the treasury or give money away put it in the pockets of americans, and don't use it to bail out the banks, and obama is stuck in a point which i think doesn't allow him to make these claims in a way that has credibility. >> i think there is a grain of truth to that broadly, but to follow-up on that on the narrow question of this bill, which they paired down, and did it in bite sized pieces, and it's remarkable to me that this is not something that republicans wants to do. teachers, cops, firefighters, we could fire them and send a lot of people on to unemployment and cobra and all sorts of things that drains the state's coffers

anyway, or we can keep them going for $35 million, which is not peanuts, but it is kind of peanuts. >> well, i might consider this as a bigger problem, but it's expensive, and when you are looking at the way the jobs bill is being packaged and presented, it's no surprise that i think you have a few democrats like the montana senator saying this is really a stimulus bill, this is not a jobs bill, and i will not be able to support this, even as a democrat if we go about this as a different way. >> the 50/50 vote that happened this week that there were two democratic defektions, mark pryor, and joe lieberman. >> so you represent some public sector and private sector, and when your members are talking to

republican representatives, what are they hearing? what is standing in the way of sort of getting this push through? >> our members visited 100 republican lawmakers, and what they are saying is there's magic tax cuts, and i think it's absurd we are having the debate over the $50 billion, because there is an emergency in the country, and i believe if we put our heads to it, 50 million people could get back to work in january, and the private sector and government gets us back to work. >> well, you focus on legal issues, and in that realm they have been remarkably valuistic

in defeating the president's efforts. >> you are correct. we have got the framework of the confirmation problem, the judicial confirmation. we have seen a one-way ratchet, which i don't think anybody can say this republican senate by any means started it, this has been going on for decades that we block each other's judges, but it's unprecedented what we are seeing now not only the number of judicial vacancies we have got, but we have 32 judicial seats that are deemed judicial emergencies so the court did not do its business because of the empty seats, what is interesting in the go around is not only obstructing every judge, but great people, eventually with draw their

names, and it's happening at the district courts, at the lowest federal courts, and the objection is growing and spreading. >> this is the problem, right? you begin to feel -- i had this conversation with melissa perry the other night when she was sitting in for rachel, and the normal mechanisms of government begin to look like they are broken, and then that's in the domestic sphere, and then in the foreign policy sphere, the president looks effective because he can sit in the imperial presidency and decree thing, and it causes a preverse and they look at the legislative body, congress, the least approved and trusted piece of american life, and then the

president as the foreign policy leader, they see a remarkable contrast. >> there's a pair daux here, and it makes sense at first blush that in washington, this is where power is being defused, and people are trying to bring it together and accomplish things, and then they tend not to satisfy anybody, and in foreign policy, this is where the president can wade into things with this sword and -- this is going back to dragens and dungons. >> if you are not playing the game here in d.c., you are not going to be effective and not

have control of your lives, and in foreign policy, this is where power can be defused and the president can say i will send a handful over there or in this jungle here -- >> is that a counter intuitive theory. >> there's also the problem at the state level. there is dysfunction in d.c. and disfunction at the state level. and there is a tax happening on workers in ohio and immigrants in alabama and women in mississippi, so it's way beyond washington and foreign policy, and to your point obstruction is being joined with attack to divide people and distract us from the notion that i believe we can get back to work. >> and isn't itself fulfilling if you are arguing the government doesn't work and it's broken, and you are systemically breaking it by making sure that

entire branches of government can't function, and then you are sort of self fulfilling, and you are creating -- of course the public doesn't trust the government because you are breaking the notion that the government is breaking. >> i want to talk about the two theories of obstruction, a good faith theory that republicans think passing these things will be bad for the company, and the bad faith theory, which is that they do not want to see the economy improve because they want to see barack obama not re-elected. i want to bring to the table richard bloomenthal of connecticut. ♪ ...harvested the same... ♪ ...and roasted the same as our other premium coffees. ♪ it only makes sense it would taste the same. so, try it for yourself. buy a pack of 100% natural starbucks via® ready brew. we promise you'll love it or we'll send you a bag of starbucks coffee. it's the starbucks via® taste promise.

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i'm not sure what happened in the last week, but after republican primary focused largely on undocumented workers,

and everybody is jostling to tout their job plans. we don't have to have too much imagination to imagine what we would be living like without the jobs plan because we are living with it. the idea was that the cbo projections for a few decades from now had so paralyzed our job creators they could not bring themselves to create jobs among the uncertainty. liberals said it's preposterous, because it's lack of demand, too much debt and not enough money, and people needed jobs, and once people had jobs businesses would vest and start hiring. since january of this year we have been putting in the

republican's word of spending cuts and we cut spending to avoid a shutdown and then again to avoid a default. a trigger will guarantee more spending cuts yet. remember when john boehner said this. >> i got 98% of what i wanted. i am pretty happy. >> well, he was right. and this is what his world looks like. since january, we lost 241,000 public sector jobs, and overall unemployment remains stuck at 9.1%. that's where we are, not waiting to see if the republicans got what they wanted, but we are living it. and we are pleased to welcome senator blumenthal. the jobs bill went down to defeat a republican filibuster

this week. where do you see things going from here? the opposition seems implaquable to any kind of jobs plan, even one that seems relatively noncontroversial, so what do you do now? >> the opposition is implaquable, because many of the proposals have been proposed before by republicans members of congress, and leaders of the republican party, so i am still hopeful where we go from here is some kind of agreement, at least on some of the pieces of the president's proposal, and to take one of them that would seem to be incontravertbly successful. >> yeah, they all voted against it in a party line vote. >> i am hopeful we can bring back the proposal, because some of the objection may have been

the way of paying for it, and that way, paying for it involved a tax, and they are against any tax even on people earning $1 million or more, and i still hope common sense will prevail. as i go around the state of connecticut and hear my colleagues saying the same thing all around the country, people want us to come together and get something done. they are frustrated and angry and appalled, and i have been in the united states senate for a grand total of ten months now, and i can tell you that i am angry and appalled at the level of partisanship that is crippling the democratic process. >> to stay on the 50/50 vote, there were three defektions from the caucus. if it is the case that this is

such an incontra vurtbly -- >> i am surprised anybody voted against it. >> smoothly done, senator. >> i think they face difficult situations at home, perhaps criticisms of these proposals in difficult races, but coming back to what we need to do on the path forward, as you just depicted in the very enlightening and entertaining little standup that you did -- >> i told you to say that during break, so everybody is clear on that. keep going. consumer demand -- >> consumer demand is absolutely critical. and the best way to create it and promote it and foster it around the country is to put people back to work and that's what we need to do as soon as possible. the republicans have a point, which is that uncertainty and lack of demand is a fundamental weakness right now in the

economy, and the best way to create more demand is to put people back to work. now, here is another reality -- >> please. >> on the ground. as i go around connecticut, there are a lot of manufacturers and employers that have jobs, openings right now, and they cannot find people with the skills to fill them, and job training -- i go further than the president has on this point, on the job training, pathways back to work has to involve giving people the skills to fill the jobs that exist right now. >> and you have a piece of legislation that you produced for pathways to work. >> yes, it's providing the means for employers to provide internships and apprenticeships so people can learn on the job. nothing like job based skill training, so that we have, for example, welders in the

community colleges and advanced technology manufacturing, and people want to work in aerospace, parts manufacturing, and machine tooling changed so computers are involved, and that proposal would involve support and the also the kind of subsidies for the actual jobs that need to be created. >> you just mentioned something that some employers have been talking about and some republicans talk about this a lot which is a skills mismatch, right? so there's two problems in economy, there's a lack of demand, the people behind employment, and not a lot of disposable income, and you will hear that there's a skills mismatch problem, and the people call it a structural unemployment problem. i guess i want to hear -- i have been asking every politician, what is your understanding of the present crisis? when you look at what has happened and we have the 9%

unemployment, what is the story you tell yourself and how do you come to understand what the problem is? >> there are thousands of jobs unfilled because they don't have the skills, because they can't move, can't sell their homes, there's a foreclosure and a housing crisis that empaeds having the people to fill the jobs, and a lot of the jobs involves computers and skills that people don't have, and our community colleges and our vocational and technical institutions can help people provide the support, and not necessarily a four-year college degree, and our elementary and secondary education which we just marked up and the health education labor committee promotes not only college readiness but also career readiness. >> let's talk about the side of the ledger in the bill that just went down in defeat. that was half a percent

surcharge tax on millionaires, right? that was the legislation. you represent the great state of connecticut. i have been to connecticut, and -- >> welcome back. >> a very lovely state with these lovely places and very lovely homes and there are a lot of people in the great state of connecticut who work in finance and would be hit by this tax, and i wonder if you can be as honest and frank as possible, and you have to raise money with these people and you go and see them and hangout and talk with them, and what do you hear from them? is that something where you have to say this is the right thing to do, or are people willing to kind of see their taxes go up? i am very curious. >> first of all, chris, people want america to succeed. believe it or not, people earning $1 million or more are also very patriotic, and their attitude is i am willing to pay

if they are assured the money is well used, and a lot of them feel and this is true about the interest carried forward issue as well, this country has been very good to them and they want to be treated fairly, and they want to make sure that the money is used well and that we take measures to reign in government spending and restain the debt and deficit, which is a fiscal responsibility, and prudence are very much part of the platform. the democrats do not want to just spend, we also want to make smart cuts -- underscore smart cuts, and so people in that position -- remember, we are talking about people earning more than $1 million, not just people that have -- >> income and not wealth. >> it's .05%, and that's small

when you consider what the impact could be on them personally in reviving the economy, promoting economic growth, which in the long run is good for hedge funds. >> it's way beyond individual millionaires. there's corporations that have not paid a dime in tax. >> and senator from connecticut, we will talk more after this break. [ male announcer ] to the 5:00 a.m. scholar. the two trains and a bus rider. the "i'll sleep when it's done" academic. for 80 years, we've been inspired by you. and we've been honored to walk with you to help you get where you want to be. ♪ because your moment is now. let nothing stand in your way. learn more at keller.edu.

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spernl at a time when 1 in 6 people are living in poverty, the talks have been about debt and

prosperity. my colleague describes on what he calls the austerity class was able to shape the economic dialogue in d.c. take a look at the graph. it's a great graph. in the last week of july they looked at cable news coverage, and between fox news and cnn and msnbc, unemployment was mentioned 75 times, and unemployment 427 times, and the word debt was mentioned 7,583 times. it has to do with the president pushing his job plans, has given many speeches. and then debt has been mentioned

more. almost a complete reversal of the narrative. do you feel like the conversation has turned? >> i think it has turned, finally, probably well overdue that it should have turned. i have been talking about jobs, and in fact i introduced a bill sch and it was largely what we called a message bill that would have established a select joint committee on job creation. >> just so people are away, the select joint committee is the technical name of the super committee. it would be a super committee for jobs. >> it would be the same thing for the committee on debt is supposed to do, which is report by a deadline, and seek full employment, which these days is about 5% or 6%, and put jobs first on the agenda.

this was well before occupy wall street, because i believe very strongly the best way to solve the debt and the deficit situation or one essential means of doing it, and one part of what we have to do is to put america and put connecticut back to work, because that's the way that we will eventually -- it happened during the clinton administration, which is the last time that we had a surplus, and the best way to is put people back to work. >> mary kay, haven't democrats been part of the problems on the conversation of austerity, and democrats have been talking about cuts and nancy pelosi, she said we entered an age of

austerity. >> if you look at what democrats have been saying in the past 60 days, it has been about jobs. if the senator was to think about the select committee and having our country respond as if it's a state of emergency like we did for the hurricane, 99/11 i think we should be thinking not about the service jobs that you talked about at the beginning of the show -- but we have the resources in the country to get 50 million people back to work and restore manufacturing and get back to innovation. amazon tried to build the lcd screen in the country, and there was no technology in any plant that allowed them to stay here and make it. there are people all across the country that love american innovation and genius and want to make it in the country. >> respond to what the senator said about the questions of the

skilsz mismatch. this is actually a very contested point. because there's two ways of looking at what happened in the recession. one is we had the financial crisis and we have tons of debt that we are deleveraging and people are out of work because of this cat kizam, and then the economy during the boom years was actually -- there was a skills mismatch and covered up by the fact that we have the housing boom and the housing boom going away is like the tide lowering and showing what is left on the beach. there are different ways of which way we are responding. do you think that's the right way to think about it? >> i think there's a million skills mismatch jobs, but there are 14 million jobs that workers are ready to go and do, roads and bridges, fix the schools, and home workers can provide health care, and there is plenty of things that we can figure out

how to match, community college retraining, as the senator said, but there are lots of things that people can do right now, and i think the mismatch is a smoke screen, myself. >> we have jobs and we have a need for the investment and part of the president's program and what has been proposed again, again, and again, is building roads, bridges, schools, ports, so that we avoid some of the environmental impacts of the way we transport things now, and we need to remake and rebuild in america, and that's a challenge for job creation. and the construction is under utilized and employed. i agree there are jobs for which people have the skills but we need to make sure we invest and create jobs. >> we will talk more about jobs

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what is going on is because republicans are obsessed with raising taxes, and that's the only way to explain the latest idea to impose a permanent tax hike on 300 business owners and then use the money to bail out cities and states that can't pay their bills. that's the proposal we will be voting on apparently tomorrow. >> that was mitch mcconnell talking about the plan that went down into defeat this week, as a bailout for states that can't pay their bills. you have been patient sitting here and listening to us liberals talking. >> you set the table nicely and i will try to make my way through it. perhaps the rhetoric is getting away from us a bit.

i think there's something bizarre about saying let's treat this jobs crisis as if it were an act of god or like an earthquake in turkey, something that has happened to us, rather than saying how are we responsible for what happened, what are the structural things that has got us into the situation? it's the thing to invoke the super committee, and that's something we should do more and the idea that this is a model of how we move forward legislatively, and when i hear mcconnell -- this to me is reminiscent of paul cruz's argument, where we need two or three more times of the stimulus that we got because the stimulus that we had went into state coffers and was sucked up by state debt and it took us to square one rather than getting into the hole.

and i think that's a crazy argument. and if it's that large, it says something about where we are as a country. i pose the question to you, senator, we talked a lot about how the republicans fall short in their criticism of the president's plan, but the whole reason why the president called a joint session of congress called them to the carpet and said pass this build was because of all the previous policies had not accomplished what they said out to accomplish. if democrats are so smart about making the right cuts and fiscal responsibility, what do you make of this idea that basically what the president put forward is not enough and we need to be more irresponsible in terms of what is typically presented as fiscal responsibility to get the job done? >> that's a good question. and i think pgs a good question.

democrats don't operate mono prolive had klee. we need construction jobs and rebuilding roads and bridges, and too much of it going to places where it could not accomplish that. as important as the size of investment in the future and building is how it is directed and spent, and that's why i have been very specific in what i have asked to be done. by the way, i wanted to introduce one other element which is not the size of the unemployment problem but the nature of it. we are talking about people -- half of our unemployed people have been out of work for six months or more, and so i propose, for example, that we bar discrimination against

unemployed people, that's a bill i introduced which is very important -- >> unbelievable at this time in this country that you have to introduce legislation like that. >> and ads that say the unemployed -- >> need not apply. >> right. but the question is very significant because it goes to how we use money, and the government needs to be smarter. >> but i want to push more on this notion that what we are doing is fiddling at the margins. it seems to be a fair critique to say even the best estimates of the american jobs act, the full thing, the full thing was going to add 6% to the gpd, and the bill that went down that would help the teachers and firefighters, and we have 50 million people unemployed, and are we fiddling even when we are doing the things at the margins that don't begin to scale, and then on the other side, to go to

james' point, which is to do things at the scale we would need is completely politically unobtainable. >> to fiddle at the margins is politically unattainablunattain. i think -- i am here to be a proud defender to fiddle at the margins. >> i am here to push it. i support the senator trying to do it, but james the question is there's one in six people in the country living in poverty, and 1% of the country and corporations not paying a f frikin' dime. >> well, one way to respond to that, and this goes to fiddling at the margins, if when push comes to shove, the answer is well we can create more

government jobs, which is there's an artificial -- >> let's create private sectors job, brother. we'll take any kind of jobs. we just want to go back to work. >> can the government create private sector jobs that wouldn't exist other than the government is dropping a load of money on people and saying we will stimulate -- i am not sure if you can stimulate jobs, i am not sure the government can create jobs. and this goes to the republicans, and they are in the strange position of saying, yes, can you create jobs but the way you do it is by cutting tax rates for the job creators. i am not so sure that washes either. >> you are in the camp -- you are in the camp of there is nothing we can do. i want to talk more about that right after this break. with advanced power, the verizon 4g lte network makes your business run faster: smartphones, laptops, tablets, mobile hotspots. but not all 4g is created equal. among the major carriers, only verizon's 4g network is 100% lte,

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you were just making a provocative point, because i don't think it aligns with either of the two major parties right now, and some say we could stimulate the economy, and the republicans say cut taxes on job creators, and you are saying there's not a lot we can do and we have to suck it up and muddle through. what do you think of that? >> i talked to a senior ceo, and they created a plant and they got the state government to improve the college retraining, because they had to train people up for the -- i don't think it's either is the problem. >> either what? >> it's not just public service jobs or let the market create jobs mysteriously through tax cuts and no regulation, because that has not happened in the past ten years. so we have to put government, private sector working people together and make a decision

that we can do big things as a country. >> here is the thing. when you start to talk about that, these kind of partnerships, i think that there's a certain conservative critique, that our government is so crept we cannot trust those partnerships. and you are going to get a lot of favor making, and so-and-so raises a lot of money, so your factory gets a lot of money. wli whether it's so true, it's the perception. >> well, here is the hard, stark reality. more than 70% of all new jobs are created by small businesses. government doesn't create jobs. it removes the obstacles or provides tools for the job creators. it moves obstacles like unfair

trade practices from the chinese, or currency manipulations, or tools like tax credits, and part of what i propose and part of the agenda has to be, for example, providing a $4,000 tax credit to people who hire people who have been out of work for six months or more. it needs to be as mary kay says, it has to be in the private and public sector, and we have an obligation to provide better schools and roads and ports and bridges, because we will fall behind the rest of the developed or undeveloped world. >> i will keep you in one more break, and then can you get back to your saturday right after this. covergirls -- set your lashes free.

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. we're talking about how to g get jobs started, and i put us back in saturday, and it's sunday, and we're on this question of can we create jobs, how do we create jobs, and is there the political will to do it, and is the system that would create jobs, is it trustworthy enough that we can trust it to actually do it. i think one of the arguments, and mary kay, respond to this, and we are looked at the numbers, and one of the hardest things to do is make it counter factual, and there are analyses that says things would be much worst if not for the recovery act, and but at the same time the actual numbers, how do you

make the case that we need to do more in the vain of that recovery act when people look around and they say it didn't work and we are in a bad situation. >> the people are making the case. occupy wall street, talking about 99% and 1%, the terrible gross inequality happening and the debate appearing in the congress is making the case, which is, again, we have the resources, we don't have the leadership or will that is willing to come together to get the resources on the table and invest in our people to get back to work. so i think it's -- in listening to the people, when the senator started by saying i am hopeful about this kind of being able to get to yes at some point in the senate, i am hopeful because people are in the streets saying this way of life is onacceptable. >> do you think your colleagues are feeling the pressure because people are in the streets and we

are talking more about jobs? >> i think the pressure is building, not just because people are in the streets, but people at their kitchen tables and people in their town halls, and the silent majority as it was once known are saying you have to get something done. and somebody said to me the other day, i don't care what it is you do, you have to come together and do something to address the jobs issue. we did a jobs fair in connecticut, and people said what is a united states senate doing a jobs fair for, and we had 1,000 people to meet with 50 employers. i don't need occupy wall street to show me the hurt in their eyes, the needs that they feel, the fact that they face foreclosure. my colleagues have to be facing the same thing. >> senator, it was a great pleasure to have you at the table. we have a chance to ask

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at home we are talking about the political battle between president obama and jobs. we have our guests with us, and we have a senior editor, and joining us now, my buddy, richard kim, executive editor, occupying the seat from senator blumenthal. >> i am a little unprepared. i just woke up.

just ask -- >> i can't believe nobody has told me who siri thinks will be the next president? >> she won't answer the question. >> we will have to wait to see who it is. so far it's mostly been those on the left embracing the protest, and i am joined by an exception to that rule. and it's a republican presidential candidate who supports occupy wall street, and buddy roguer, good morning and how are you doing? >> good morning. i am proud to be here, man. >> it's good to see you. i have seen your comments in support of walk pie wall street. before we get to that, i want to ask you about the republican field. it occurs you were the governor of louisiana and served in the united states congress and started a community bank, and gary johnson who is another

candidate in the republican field was a two-term very popular governor of new mexico, and he went out with 65% approval rating, and a very popular guy, and the two of you are marginal figures, and herman cain, he is polling near the top. what does that say to you about the nature of the gop primary voting bloc? >> the race is wide open. the winner has not been decided. every month there's a new flavor. it just shows that number one, there is anger and anxiety in america. we're in trouble. and number two, there is no leadership in either party that spells out what we must do now. and for the next ten years. and i think the republican field reflects america up and down, up

and down, no favor, no certainty, no leadership. >> what do you think is most missing from the republican message, the economic message or the message about where we do go in the next ten years. what are you not hearing in the debates or speeches from the stump? >> corruption and jobs. those are the two issues that cross our country no matter where i go. corruption could be from a big check getting ahead of a big idea, and it could be that more money was given by lobbyist in packs four years ago to the presidential nominees than 32 states combined. i am saying more time has spent raising money, and on jobs the issue is trade with china. you can cut through all the other nonsense, and you want to

grow jobs in america, you taken fair trade to a level playing field, fair trade, it can be done and nobody is talking about it. >> if those are the main issues -- i want to talk about the corruption issue which resinates with our audience, and i am getting nods here at the table, and does that resonate with the republican primary voters when you talk about that. obviously, i don't want to belittle what you are doing, but you are not polling particularly well on the moment, so is there an appetite for this, or is this something that is not going to catch fire among republican primary voters this focus on the mechanisms by which our candidates have to raise money, the influence -- >> let me defend by 148 pounds, if you would let me.

>> please. >> i have been out of politics for 20 years. you know, i am the only guy running who served as congressman and governor, and i face corruption in louisiana the likes of which you would not believe until you go to washington, d.c. so i am still not well known. i have not been in a single debate. i don't know what they want. i notice the last debate changed the rules, and they said you had to raise $500,000 in the last 90 days. i raised half of that. i don't take pack money. i fully disclose everything that i get. i put $100 limit. i have got more contributions in the last 30 days than i have in the last six months. we are slowly building around two ideas. corruption. washington, d.c. is corrupt.

i am not talking about individual people. barack obama did not invent this system. he has just perfected it. can you imagine being elected to a four--year-term to lead america and two years into your four-year-term, you say my first priority is re-election and i will raise $1 billion. it's corrupted and we must change it. >> do you think that's an example of corruption? >> i think this system is not dealing with the jobs crisis. i don't know about the way he just described corruption, but what i think we have to figure out, how do we cross all of our agreements with each other and get people back to work and that's the thing that i hear. that's what has to happen. people are in pain and suffering. i -- there's a member of our union with tears streaming down her face two weeks ago that said

my hours have been so dramatically, i am forging for vegetables out of the trash out back, and that's happening across the country. that's not an accident, but a way of life for working people. >> i think one of the things you are hearing is this week, it circulated that sinclair diagram, they tried to map the tea party's interest on the wall street, and there's an enormous shared interest. the tea party and -- there's the diagram. both the tea party and occupy wall street at bottom share the same values, which is let's take big, big money out of government if big, big money is allowing government to only serve big, big money's interest. >> i don't think it's's a

mystery about whether or not buddy is saying about corruption is true or not, it is true, but it's not because people are trying to do ill, right? the tendency of the temptation is to say what george w. bush said, hurt government has to move, and what happens with the spirit takes over in governance, you end up saying we can't let them fail because they are partners in the private sector and we have to keep shoveling money in the enterprises regardless they are being perpetuated -- that's not going to serve the purpose. >> we have the former governor of louisiana and a congressman from that great state, and we will be back with him and the panel after the break. [ both ] people loved our wedding slide show.

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we are back and we have the former governor from louisiana and senator, and a candidate for president. we are talking about the jobs crisis, and buddy, you just talked about the president. i want to push back on something you said about the president abandoning two years in with his responsibility to the country and campaign around the country, and it seems to me he has been trying to get something passed through congress so there could be action on the jobs crisis. a lot of republicans say that those speeches he is giving are campaign speeches, but he is supporting a legislative agenda he is trying to get passed,

right? >> i was not trying to gang up on him or single him out. he just heads a system that rewards fund-raising. above all else. above a great idea. above building a nation. we know what to do to create jobs. the president must know. he needs first to make it a priority. it's not a priority. his own administration has 1.25 pattens pending in the office, and these people paid the fees and we can't get around to doing the patten work. there are three jobs per patten. number two, fair trade with china. why doesn't the president stand up and defend american working people and tell the chinese, if you make products with child labor, if women work 12 hours a

day six days a week, if there are no standards, it will not stand, and we will have a fair trade adjustment to meet minimum american standards. if ge moves a plan the to china and that plant would not be eligible to open in america, my god we would not angry about it, and that's exactly what is happening. the big egest corporate giver t the president of the united states was ge, we have a tax code we can't read and i call that corruption. >> ge is one of our parent companies, and this will be the last episode -- >> i apologize. >> no, i am just informing people for full disclosure. >> here is what i want to press you on. i think a lot of people agree

with the labor standards in china, but the problem is republican primary voters don't agree with it. seems like you are running with the wrong folks. when you come out and say you support people on wall street, and -- >> i do. >> and it just seems like it's delusional to pretend the republican base shares the world view you are annunciating here and in your campaign. >> chris, we'll find out. i have not been in a single debate. i have not been -- let me say this, now. let me say it, guys. i have not been in a single debate. my poll numbers, i rank seventh in florida, and i was ahead of huntsman -- >> i think you might be more popular than huntsman. i think that's possible. >> i start with no big checks.

i was the only member of congress that didn't take paxmany. i ma pack money. louisiana had to fight corruption. you have to say no and be disciplined. it has to be your first priority. i don't think jobs are our president's first priority. i say many humbly, and it bothers me. >> i disagree. >> you disagree? >> governor, i think he has been saying crystal clear to every american that we have to get this done. he has been criticized for making jobs a priority since labor day. i don't understand the point you are making. >> i don't think jobs are john boehner's top priority. >> here is what business needs. i am a business guy. i am not a lawyer or lifetime politician. i am a little bit weird here. i grow jobs. i built a billion-dollar bank

with no help from the government, okay. >> you are a banker. >> oh, that's a big plus, no doubt about it. but my main street bank grows jobs. that's what we do. we have not foreclosed on a single homeowner. we structured our small business debt. that's why i am in business to do that sort of thing. and the reason i point my finger at the president is not just because he is the leader, and i expected more from him, it's that he has not made it a priority. there are no new ideas. everything is a temporary patch or band-aid. why don't you stand up to unfair trade with china? is it because your jobs adviser is head of a company that fires american and builds plants overseas? i say made in america ought to be the issue in this campaign, and by god our last three

republicans and a republican and two democrats have given jobs by the way by the millions and i call their hand on it. >> well, buddy says he didn't want to single out barack obama, but i will single him out because he singled himself out. he spent so much time in the beginning doing obamacare, and the -- >> one small section of it, they had to cancel one small program -- >> well -- medicare cost are down for the first time -- >> well, it's crumbling into dust. that's part of the conversation we have not had yet. and i commend the governor for what he is saying, but the message or things he is talking about are not going to resonate with republican voters. you have ron paul offering a

budget that will cut $1 million, and you have romney talking about the trade war, and you have candidates in the field talking about these types of things, and crony capitalism, and everything is talking about it. this is an issue alive and well on the right in the republican field. >> i want to talk more about whether there is productive overlap in the two divisions after the break. her morning begins with arthritis pain. that's a coffee and two pills. the afternoon tour begins with more pain and more pills. the evening guests arrive. back to sore knees. back to more pills. the day is done but hang on... her doctor recommended aleve. just 2 pills can keep arthritis pain away all day with fewer pills than tylenol. i and fewer pills for a day free of pain. [ female announcer ] get an aleve coupon in this sunday's paper. ♪

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i wanted to push back on the idea that there's a huge overlap between the tea party, and i reported on both of them on the ground, and i think on a superficial level, you see the frustration at washington, and

it's coming from fundamentally different places. when you talk to occupy wall street people, they think washington is owned by wall street, and they are mad because washington has not done enough to fix the economy, and when you talk to tea party people, they think people have been overrun by special groups -- >> they have been on the program. >> and what they think the problem in washington is, that it's taking money from the top to the bottom, and one of the key polling points around that is that when you poll tea party people they think government does too much for black people, and that's one of the markers of whether you are in the tea party or not how you respond to the question. this is just a fundamentally group of people that you are talking about, and it doesn't matter what the candidates are talking about, the base here is

fundamentally doesn't overlap. >> it's irreconcilable clash of world view and visions -- >> i have been thinking about this for a little while now, and i have been thinking how interesting it is, the paradox is always going to be that we both hate and mistrust government and also want government to fix everything. we hold those two irreconcilable ideas in our head at all times. >> as an american that public -- >> yes, all of us. that's what we are screening about, we hate you, don't do anything but fix everything. >> i think it's important for us to think, really, the discipline about why it happened and what we can do to repair that. when i look at what is going on at the local level and state level and the way politics is being centralized in washington and the state capitals where it's party versus party fights that take place in capitals and

washington, d.c., that put the american people in the position of thinking if i am not a member of one of the teams, if i am not fighting for one of these teams, then i can't actually do anything to effect the way that my life is. >> the two-party system can have a broader abstract conversation about it's affects on american governance, i think it's the way we channel different interests in terms of what the different interests are in occupying wall street. there was a study that talk to people who are part of the occupy wall street movement, and they wanted to know what they were concerned about because there is not a specific demand, and it was what would you like occupy wall street to achieve, and 35% they wanted to influence the democratic party the way the tea party influenced the gop.

and then 11% wanted to break the two party duopoly. when you see that 35% of occupy wall street, the most common response is to influence the democratic party the way the tea party influenced the gop, and what is your response to that as a member of the gop field who embraced occupy wall street. >> well, it sounds like america. i bet if you were to poll america, you would find the same sentiment. the parties have become fund-raising shields for the status quo. i have been in both parties 20 years. i was the only governor to change parties while in office. i got sick of the democrats. now i am in the republican party. can't even get in a debate to talk about jobs. >> there is no parties left for you to go to. >> it might be me, but -- it

might be me, and i am a proud republican, but i am a prouder america. >> i like that. >> and i think it's -- >> i like that you said it might be you, because sometimes you get people, you know somebody that always complains about a roommate, and they have a sequence of roommates, and at some point you come to the conclusion that it's not the roommates. but i cut you off. finish what you were saying. >> it's a simple point, and we need to build a nation from the center, not from the right or the left, but from the center. and sometimes, someplace, somewhere, some leader will have the experience to reach across the party aisles and say join me. not as a party. but as an american. >> one of the centrist views is that there's broad-based

feelings about the banks having done a bad job and screwed up the economy, and people are angry that there has been no accountability for that. i want to play a bit of a great piece of sound, which was -- this comes from franklin roosevelt, and this is his 1936 speech about the banks and the problems he encountered in terms of a political system that had been captured essentially by financial interests and what he had to do to break it. listen to this. >> we have to struggle with the old enemies of peace, and business and financial monopoly, and speculation, reckless banking, and class an tagnism, and they had begun to consider the government of the united states as a mere appendage to

their own affairs and we know government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob. never before in all of our history have these forces been so united against one candidate as they stand today. they are unanimous in their hate for me and i welcome their hatred! >> it is just -- everybody here is fanning themselves, the chills of fdr's rhetoric there. >> you see why president reagan was a roosevelten democrat. those words are still true today. ask chuck schumer. >> and he started the unraveling of the things we all hold dear in the country is the common good. that's the reagan legacy we are living with now. >> in terms of this president's

relationship to wall street, there's -- despite he passed a wall street reform bill, and the easy path would have been -- for people that sort of attack barack obama for being insufficiently hard on the banks, but he could not have spent the political capital trying to pass the bill. >> given the amount of money he is raising for wall street -- >> of course he spent political capital. >> absolutely. guys, why do you all excuse -- why do you excuse immediamedioc? i am a banker. the biggest banks on wall street all got bailed out. >> i think that actually the democrats and barack obama did not do enough to reform wall street, and what they should have done back at that -- >> good for you.

>> what they should have done is restructure the banks and break them up because they were too big to fail, and there was a bunch of regulations that could have clammed down on what we are seeing today. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> and that's what there was a will for and that did not happen. >> let me explain what cram down is so folks know. what happens if you go into bankruptcy and you have one morning, a single morning, that mortgage cannot be touched by the bankruptcy judge, and if you have a second judge, you have an apartment and a summer home, the summer home can be restructured, and a yacht loan can be restructured, but your single family home, and there's legislation that was proposed which the white house said they were supporting but did not lend muscle to that would have changed the law so that

mortgages could be restructured in bankruptcy court, and the lobbying of the banks on capitol hill was so strong against it it prompted dick durbin to say banks owned the place. do you feel the banks are the locus of what you as a labor leader find yourself up against? >> banks are a piece, and corporations and the rich and the republican leadership, like it's all part of a system that is holding in place this carable in economy and the unwillingness to address the emergency, and banks are part of the problem, and 5 million people forced out of their homes, and ceo bonuses are at the top of the charts of all-time -- >> that's the message of occupy

wall street. there was a force responsible, but you have democrats who were not getting up on the stump and pushing back against wall street. that's the message that the entire system has been broken, and there is too much wall street money -- >> yes, yes. >> and dodd/frank bill, did you think that was good enough? >> i don't think it was good enough. you have people who worked in dodd's office, and the resolving door happens across wall street. >> i think the dodd/frank bill was not good enough but i don't think it was a bad bill. i they it was better than nothing. buddy roamer -- >> if you operate for cancer, if you operate for cancer and you fix two broken bones and get the arms right in the fingers but leave the cancer, it's not a good bill, guys.

too big to fail is still the law. capital ratios do not have to go up with megabanks. it was bs. you know after it passed, you know where our president went? he went to wall street for a fund-raiser, hosted by goldman sachs at $35,000 a ticket. you all make this a great intellectual conversation. just follow the money. >> now presidential candidate, buddy roamer, thank you for your time. >> thank you, chris. i like you, man. we will return right after this. (announcer) everything you need to stretch out on long trips. residence inn. the two trains and a bus rider.

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we were just talking about occupy wall street. and there are two big concrete

things happening. there's a global march being called for to advocate for a 1% financial transaction tax, and that would be a tax on every financial transaction, and it would be targeted to get people doing a lot of speculation and moving around, and it could raise a person $50 billion, and then people are moving their money into credit unions, and i wanted to get that in to the conversation that we were having. now, i want to get your questions that would you ask. we distributed the list of who

is on the sunday morning talk shows. james, what would you ask of whom? >> well, you know, i think that with hillary clinton and ron ball being on the same show at the same time, i would pose the questions to both, hillary clinton has been going around and delivering high profile speeches on the importance of economic governance, and my question would be given the fact th th that europe's attempt has resulted in what looks today like the high road to catastrophe, and preventing us as americans, as barack obama himself has noted in at least one press conference from governing ourselves the way we like and from controlling our economy in the way we would like, and isn't it time to be more focused on the critiquing the economic governance?

>> well, mary kay, what would you ask? >> i would ask michele bachmann why everybody can't pay their fair share in this country and i feel like working people have done more than their part in n contributing to the recovery of the country, and we need her to lead on making everybody fair their pay share, and the rich and the corporations that don't pay a dime in taxes need to invest in people. >> i wanted to ask rick santorum about his newly stated idea to contraception. i guess i would just ask him about doing things in a sexual realm just means sex? and i would like to ask, how are things supposed to be in a sexual realm? >> you are like, here is a pen

and paper, show it for me. >> yes, show me things in a sexual realm that are okay, because presumebly those who are married and want to use contraception is not what is supposed to be. >> great question. >> richard kim of the nation and the nation.com, what would you ask. >> i would ask hillary clinton if she still believes the united nations has any legitimate tea as bodies that will solve conflicts or just drone strikes that we should rely on that would implement u.s. foreign policy -- >> you ask this because of the unprecedented drone strikes that the u.s. is engaged in -- >> as well as the nato campaign in libya. >> those are the sunday shows

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our guests are back to tell us what we should know as the news unfolds this week. first, i'll start with you, james polit >> jeff: of the daily caller and post modern conservative. what should folks know? >> this is a story the wall street journal has been covering. shadow lending in china is becoming a problem. beijing is trying very hard now, i think a little too late to get on top of this practice. it's a problem not just because banks are lending off the books at different rates and impacts mortgages and housing in china. but also increasingly they're repackaging loans into investment deals to try to get out from regulations to keep inflation under control. the chinese know this is going to become a problem. from my house, i could see this would be a problem in china

wells one with global repercussions. it's the new form -- >> interesting. mary kay henry, president and service employees international union. what should people know this week? >> we have union members, civil rights activists and immigrations advocates joining hands together in alabama this week to stand up against this terrible racial profiling that's happening where students are pulled out of classrooms and asked about documents and that, in my mind, is part of what we talked about today, which is that there's a sort of attack on people to distract us from the real problems and the need to address the 1%, 99% and get america back to work. we are joining hands for good jobs now, everybody has to pay their fair share. no more cuts and every immigrant needs to be a citizen in this country. azs of course, passed the harshest anti-immigration law including requiring documentation for children

enrolled in school. or their parents i think it is. that has scared, we've covered it on the show. it produced a situation which you have kids kept out of school. the obama administration's justice department has sued under federal law and i think a federal judge has enjoined sections of it, particularly the sections that have to do with schooling. but much of it still remains in place. it is really causing tremendous -- we're hearing news every day out of alabama of the problems precipitated. what should people know? >> i wrote about this this weekend. it's interesting and important i think. i noticed a flash point in the occupy wall street. the sort of big, big blockbuster supreme court decision that the first time ever turned corporations into people too. and i think one of the things that people are missing in this story is that citizens united, while symbolic victory for corporations in america, doesn't mean what most of us think it means.

certainly, i think in terms of the big picture of corporations owning government is not really the problem. i ask people to look at the long picture. at the entire track record in terms of big business and the ways that corporations consistently win. i think that citizens united, chris, is the tip of the iceberg. i really want people to think about how the roberts court forced people into arbitration, made it impossible to pull together a class for a class action suit, changed pleading rules to make it hard to get into court. in other words, systematically shutting the doors on average americans and letting corporations prevail. it's the tip of the iceberg. richard cam. >> you should know that for the first time since declaring she's not running for president, she posted on her facebook. she posted about a car company that got a loan to make cars. the cars, two of them, this

prototypes apparently made in finland. none of the money from the loan guarantee went to making these cars in finland and the third thing you should know about in is that the people driving the story behind the scenes are not people concerned about capitalism which there is in washington across the board, but climate change denialists. >> richard kim of the nation.com. i want to thank all my guests. thanks so much guys. you were great. thank you for joining us. if you missed us yesterday, set your dvr now for next saturday at 7 a.m. eastern time and next sunday at 8:00. in the meantime, you can find us on facebook at up with chris. up next is alex witt. we'll see you next week here on "up." ♪

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