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the president begins selling his new strategy out west, where speeches and fund-raising steps in california, colorado and later this afternoon in nevada. richard wolf is an msnbc political analyst, and the author of "revival, the struggle for survival inside the obama white house." richard, nice to see you this morning. the president's jobs bill is having trouble, no matter how it's put on the senate floor. was it a good strategy to wait this long to work around congress, and then what do you expect the response is going to be to this on the hill? >> well, a lot depends on what you want to see happen if you're inside the white house, or among democrats. of course, they all want to get the economy moving. they all want to take action. but in the absence of that, in the failure of that, what they're seeing is their own poll numbers improving. when it it comes down to the pure politics of this, democrats are taking a lot of satisfaction and confidence from seeing a gap open up on who is trusted more on jobs. democrats and the president or republicans. so the politics are helping them out. they think there is a feedback
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here, a positive feedback that will come from that, because republicans will feel more pressure to do something, being painted as obstructionist when it comes to jobs. it's not a great situation for republicans in had general. so they're hoping that eases things, and in the absence of that, again, the politics is moving in their favor. but on the jobs bill legislation and the senate, and no matter how they break it up within the next tranche of infrastructure spending, for instance, it's not going to work. >> richard, so the "we can't wait" mantra, how do you think it plays out as he tries to move forward? >> i think moving forward with executive orders is actually an important signal for the president in had saying, not only does he have a slowing slogan but he's prepared to take some action. it's limited. dealing with housing is important in terms of the drag on the economy. but you can only reach so many people with executive orders. they can do something about underwriting requirements, which may open up refinancing to more people. but, you know, the sight of doing something, the sound of
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him talking about doing something, is having a political impact. whether or not it really impacts the economy. >> richard, what's old is new again. when we talk about the obama team trying to rekindle its relationship with younger voters, with greater together. and apparently using the social media tools before to connect with college kids, also having student summits that begin next month. what are the challenges, though, in getting young americans back on board in a major way, really reinvigorating them to get behind president obama? >> in a word, jobs. young people answering the work force have been hit really very, very hard, indeed, by the lack of opportunities out there. on the other hand, you've got a whole new generation. i mean, it's only four years, but for young people, four years is a whole generation of people who maybe heard about older teenagers now in their 20s having taken part in the 2008 campaign. so they want their own experience to get involved with politics. and that was a very powerful motivation factor. not just the freshness of the candidacy in 2008, but the
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notion that people could get political experience. so getting them active and engaged is a motivating force for young folks. >> yeah, young voters have been did he say discounted in the past. richa richard wolf, great to see now. a desperate search for survivors after the 7.2 earthquake in turkey. dozens are still believed to be trapped alive. at least 217 people have been confirmed dead, and nearly 1,000 buildings have collapsed. the quake struck eastern turkey near the border with iran, and more than 100 aftershocks have now rumbled throughout that area today alone. we are following developing news in syria, where the u.s. has abruptly pulled its ambassador, bringing him back to washington, d.c. the state department says they're having threats made against robert ford's personal safety. the u.s. went on to say, syria's embattled regime led by president assad is to blame for
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the ambassador leaving that country. an official autopsy on moammar gadhafi confirmed he died from a gunshot to the head. the 69-year-old dictator was captured alive thursday before he was killed. graphic images showing him being beaten raised questions about whether he was deliberate ely executed. his body on display in a freezer in miss rat a. just hours after the pathologist report, the head of the government declared the country officially liberated. we'll have more on what all this means in our next half hour when we speak with the member of the u.s. armed services committee. and in tunisia, millions of voters turned out for the country's first-ever free elections with one official saying that more than 90% of registered voters had cast their ballots. now, this marks the first election of the arab spring, which began in the region some ten months ago. well, back here at home, we want to bring you up to speed. the latest on the baby lisa investigation. our own peter alexander stepped
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food inside the irwin home in missouri. walking his way through key rooms and the time line surrounding lisa's final night. pete certify in kansas city with the fascinating tour this morning. ♪ amazing grace >> reporter: sunday night, baby lisa's parents, deborah bradley and jeremy irwin rurpds returned home for a candlelight vigil. neither said a word but were both in tears as lisa's grandfather offered an emotional prayer. >> please keep her safe. and bring her home to us as soon as possible. >> reporter: after the vigil, the irwin family invited nbc news inside the home. >> this is baby lisa's bedroom, one of the first things you notice is the spot right here on the light switch. this way you can see the small frames, her hand and footprint from the day lisa was born. her clothes still hanging in the closet. the scooby doo onesy on the
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rack. and right here, this is the crib lisa was sleeping in. deborah and jeremy believe this is where she was taken from that night. and sort of an ominous reminder of what they say happened here. the graphite from the fingerprinting process by police. this is where they suspect an abductor came in. this is a family room or computer room. if it was an abduction, they would have had to come through this room and into the kitchen, come with me quickly, i'll show you. this right here on the counter is exactly where the family says the three cell phones were missing. deborah and jeremy believe the abductor would have come into this hallway, passing by the room where lisa's brothers sleep, one was asleep there tha
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the floor near the bed. >> human decomposition usually starts within four minutes after biological death. it's going to be within minutes that a dog should be able to find that scent, if it actually existed. >> according to the affidavit, deborah told investigators she didn't initially look for lisa behind the house, because she was afraid of what she might find. last week, there was a search warrant inside the home. new court documents detail exactly what detectives collected. a comforter, a disney character shirt. a glow worm toy, as well as rolls of tape and a tape dispenser. and left behind inside the kitchen, this empty box of wine that deborah admits she drank, enough to get drunk, on the night she says her daughter vanished. deborah was seen buying that box
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of wine on surveillance video, just hours before she says she put lisa to bed. meanwhile, police have also reviewed this new surveillance video, taken from a gas station, less than a mile away from the irwin home at 2:00 a.m. the night lisa vanished that shows the blurry image of a person walking out of a wooded area. at least three witnesses, including this neighbor who lives doors away say they have spoken to investigators about a suspicious man they saw in the area that night. >> what exactly did you see that night? >> we seen a gentleman walking up the street, 12:15, carrying a baby. >> reporter: a baby in his arms? >> a baby in his arms. >> reporter: was the baby wearing anything? >> no. of at that time, from what we saw, the baby was just wearing a diaper, it looked like. it appeared. >> reporter: what did you think? >> it was odd. >> reporter: i spoke to kansas city police late last night. they say they will not discuss specifics of this case. of they acknowledge they have no suspects, no strong leads, and say at this time, thomas, they are still ruling nothing out. >> nbc's peter alexander.
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one person dressed as a dolphin attended that event. the national polls and debates pegged romney as the front runner for the gop but the voting kicks off in iowa where a host of candidates made their pitch at iowa's faith and freedom event over the weekend, hoping a quick start to the hawkeye state can boomer an them past romney and to the 2012 nomination. let's bring in nbc political reporter to talk about this. lots of different candidates, the darlings of the social conservative side. right now, herman cain is that darling and he is finally bringing in the cash to go along with it. but can he solidify a place at the top of the polls in iowa before the caucuses? >> so far, herman cain is actually at the top of the polls, at least the last couple
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weeks, and andrew rafferty reported he has been bringing in about $1 million a week which is really important. now, that also comes when he finally made the announcement he had a -- his first hire, his first hired staffer in iowa. he's going to have a campaign infrastructure and spend money to actually get himself going a little bit in iowa. iowa is important for someone like herman cain, michele bachmann, newt gingrich, rick perry. if these guys want to emerge to the alternate to mitt romney, iowa will be the launching pad. >> dough minute i can, who would you qualify as the one to watch to win in iowa? a report from the "des moines ridgester" showed rand paul barely lost the straw poll to bachmann in august. >> ron paul is his own brand and has been spending money. under the radar, a lot of people don't necessarily pay a lot of attention as closely to ron paul because of his stances on foreign policy and just how far
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his libtarian views go. a lot of objectors think that means he wouldn't win a nomination, which is pretty accurate. but when you look at who could emerge as the alternate that could go the distance, well, someone like rick perry is the obvious choice, because he's raised $17 million in the third quarter, and you're going to need a lot of money to go up against someone like mitt romney who raised a similar, $15 million or so. and if this is going to be a long delegate fight, then you have to have somebody who with the campaign infrastructure, and with the money, to be able to go the distance with him. herman cain, somebody with a great message that a lot of people have clung -- have, you know, clung on to. but, you know, he's going to be facing a lot of scrutiny in this next month, and there has already been a lot coming out on the 9-9-9 plan he has taken flack from the left and right and taken a lot of flack from some of his past statements we have reported on. so, you know, it's going to be interesting to see if herman cain can last, if he can have the money, if he can have the infrastructure. and if rick perry can gain that momentum back.
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now, you know, if mitt romney suddenly wins iowa, that could be the end of the nomination. but they're having a debate inside the campaign whether or not they want to actually go full-in some place like iowa. >> we continue to watch. nbc political reporter dough minute comontnarro. thank you. no question steve jobs was considered a genius. but a new book paints him as a vengeful ceo and distant dand. that's coming your way next. male to make our floor
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welcome back, everybody. apple released a new video of the celebration that the company held for steve jobs last week. apple closed all of its stores worldwide, so every one of its employees could tune in for that celebration. meanwhile, a new biography on steve jobs hit bookstores today. walter isaacson sat down with jobs more than 40 times and recounts details of his battle with cancer, his relationship with his biological parents, and
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the blunt, harsh words that he had for his competitors. last night, isaacson appeared on cbs's "60 minutes" and they played a tape of jobs speaking about his management style. listen. >> so we're brutally honest with each and all of them can tell me they think i'm full of [ bleep ] and i can tell anyone i think they're full of [ bleep ] and we've had rip-roaring arguments where we're yelling at each other. >> steve was not the world's greatest managers, in fact, he could have been one of the worst managers, always upending things, and throwing things into turmoil. this made great products. but it didn't make for a great management style. >> if you're good at everything, john abe he will is the new york bureau chief for wire.com and joins me to talk about this. >> nice to be here. >> and we're talking about the book. and i was commenting that you got the book on your ipad. so it's a full circle moment. >> absolutely. >> how this book is going to be distributed. but the book does tell a lot about steve jobs, a side of jobs
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that most of us didn't know. so what was most surprising to you? >> well, he was a famously secretive person. and he created a great company. he actually -- several great companies. i think the most poignant aspect of the book is his battle with cancer, his sort of refusal to come to grips with it in a precision, laser-like way that he had when he was creating products. he sort of went off into the woods and tried to deal with it in a very sort of nonengineer kind of way. that's very sad. >> when we think about the book itself, it is very telling about his battle with the health issues. also, it paints some certain characteristics of his personality in a bad light. one being that he really had no -- i guess he really didn't -- it's a quote from the book, where jobs talks about bill gates. and i want to get this right. because he says, bill is basically unimaginative and has never invented anything which is why i think he is more comfortable in philanthropy than
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technology. he just shamelessly ripped off other people's ideas. did the technology industry, john, know, jobs felt this way about gates? >> yeah, they were famously at odds and also alike. they had a very sort of fruitful relationship when jobs came back to the company in '97. it was a deal with microsoft which allowed apple to become the apple we know now. successful, all these products. at the same time, they always accused each other of stealing -- each other's ideas. and, in fact, they both kind of stole an idea from xerox park about the whole graphical user interface. so these were nasty things that people said about -- we all say things we regret. i think they had tremendous respect for each other. >> i think we learn about intimidation, these tactics -- >> do you think? >> yeah, to intimidate the people out there. so jobs was also quoted as saying about iphone's biggest rival, the android, saying i will spend my last dying breath if i need to, and spend every penny of apple's $40 billion in
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the bank to right this wrong. i am going to destroy android, because it's a stolen product, i'm willing to go thermo neek lear war on this. and he also said it was a rip off of the macintosh model. how easy was it to grab the market share that he got? >> well, see, this is the genius of apple and steve jobs. there were not a lot of original ideas. and the original idea may exist as a 10% what have you come up with. the brilliance is turning that colonel of an idea into something everybody has to have. facebook is the embodiment of the social networks. there were plenty before. the brilliance is putting it together and understanding how the package should work. . when we think about the future of apple, post steve jobs, what does the tech industry say? >> well, i think it's pretty clear that steve knew that he was dying, wanted to leave a legacy of a company that would survive him. not indefinitely, because
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nothing is indefinite. but for the 10 or 20 years that the people that he chose would be able to run the place. i don't think anybody is worried about apple in the near term or the medium term. i don't think so either. but he certainly made a mark on this world and it will be felt for a long time to come. i'm going to need to go download that book on my ipad. johnnie from wired.com. good to see you. rick perry has dinner with donald trump and comes away from the meal questioning president obama's citizenship. how perry has brought the birther issue back to the spotlight. and now it's the doctor's turn. exclusive details about how conrad murray's defense team will try to get him off the hook in the death of michael jackson. where's it going to come from? ♪ that's why right here, in australia, chevron is building one of the biggest natural gas projects in the world. enough power for a city the size of singapore for 50 years. what's it going to do to the planet? natural gas is the cleanest conventional fuel there is. we've got to be smart about this. it's a smart way to go.
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who will explain this to us. some economists estimate that if it borrowers could collectively save $24 billion annually, here's the way it would happen. explain the details for those who would best be suited to look at this. >> well, this is really for under water borrowers who are current on their mortgage payments. and, again, we have to stress that. it is not for people who are delinquent, behind, facing foreclosure, any trouble on their mortgage. that said, the idea here was to tweak a program that existed already, that is the home affordable refinance program through fannie mae and freddie mac, which wasn't doing well. they did about an 850,000 loans refinanced and that just isn't very much. what they're trying to do now is say, okay, we know home prices have fallen, even further, putting more homeowners even further under water on their mortgages. so what they have done is they have lifted the cap. they have said, no matter how much more you owe on your mortgage than your home is worth, you are eligible for this program, if and only if you are current. so that opens up the landscape a bit. the question is, how many people
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is this going to help? the fhfa wouldn't say. the -- we had the hud secretary speaking this morning. he couldn't say. they said it's too hard to estimate. some have said it could help about twice as many borrowers. so you're looking at maybe 2 million borrowers, could get a re-fi. and it's just lowering their monthly payments. it's not helping people who are in default or facing foreclosure. >> certainly an option for people struggling right now. diana olick, great to see you this morning. thanks. here's a look at other headlines topping the news right now. starting with this, it was a second night behind bars for a group of occupy chicago protesters arrested over the weekend, the anti wall street protesters stood their ground, defying police orders to leave the area. 130 people were rounded up, chicago police confirming some of these people made it a two-night stay after violating the conditions of their bail bond. despite the arrests, a representative from occupy chicago vowed the demonstrators are going to be back. 12,000 police officers will have lost their jobs by the end of this year, and that's thanks
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to the stagnant economy that has forced local governments to make the significant cutbacks they have. the numbers are significant, leading vice president biden to suggest that without president obama's jobs proposal, which includes money for police jobs, crime will most likely surely rise, throughout the country. a new study finds that girls whose moms were exposed to high levels of bpa while pregnant have more behavioral issues, and are more hyperactive than other girls. however, a pregnant woman's level of bpa, a chemical used in plastics, appeared to have little impact on a boy's later behavior in life. the president may have chalked up two foreign policy achievements with the death of moammar gadhafi and the end of the iraq war last week. republican candidates for president don't see it that way, slamming the president's plan to pull troops out of iraq by the end of the year. take a listen. >> the last thing that you want to do is put those men and women lives in peril and i think that's what the president has done. >> it was the president's
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administration outnegotiated by the iraqi leaders. >> this decision seems to me that it was more politically based than military based. >> we've lost in many respects, lost control, and lost the war. and in iraq. >> joining me now is republican senator from new hampshire, kelly aho, nice to have you here this morning. >> thank you, thomas. >> as we talk about this issue, do you think bringing our troops home from iraq is a failure of negotiation, and as you just heard from rick santorum, a sign we have lost the war in iraq? >> i certainly hope the president's decision works out for him, but i think it's very risky. and he has clearly ignored the advice of our commanders. general austin, the top commander in iraq, recommended 14 to 18,000 troops to secure our national interests there. and we are going to be leaving thousands of civilian contractors there, and asking them to perform inherently military functions. that's unprecedented and presents great risk for our personnel that are going to
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remain. but i'm most concerned that we're empowering iran by this decision. they're dancing in the streets in tehran over this decision, unfortunately. >> senator, i want to play a clip. this is secretary clinton from this sunday. take a listen. >> it's equally important to remember that this deadline was set by the bush administration. so it's been a bipartisan commitment but object president obama's watch to show the leadership, to fulfill that committee. >> doesn't that lock the deadline in, so to speak? >> well, actually, we've heard in the armed services committee for months now that our commanders thought we needed to stay longer. the conditions warranted us staying longer to allow them to secure themselves. and so we didn't further empower iran. so circumstances have certainly changed and war rent additional troops staying. the bottom line,ed the administration failed to close the deal on this. it's very important we do not allow iran to seek control of,
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iraq to iran and make sure there is a stable, democratic iraq for our only national security interests. in fact, secretary panetta said on a scale of 1 to 10 that our national security interests in iraq were an 8. and carter said it was a 10 on a scale of 10. >> are you suggesting we need to occupy iraq indefinitely? >> no, that's not what i'm suggesting. they needed additional time so that they could stand up their own troops to secure their country. and we were talking about a contingency of -- as general austin recommended, between 14 and 18,000 troops. so most of our troops would have come home. but now, essentially, we're going to turn this over to a civilian army. it's unprecedented what our state department is going to be asked to do, just because the president wanted to say that he had withdrawn them before this election. and that's a real concern. you know, i hope that this works out for him, for our sake. but i think it's putting great risk at -- all the sacrifice that is we have made in iraq. >> senator, i want to talk to you about libya.
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the cost of our inclusion with what took place in libya, $1.1 billion in aid to the rebels who took down gadhafi. democratic congressman welch wants the president to demand reimbursement from libya. is that something you agree with? >> i think our top priority in libya has to be making sure that those weapons are secured and they don't get into the wrong hands. and we need to be working with our nato partners to ensure that there is a stable transition in libya to a democratic government. and just like when saddam hussein invaded kuwait, kuwait who is an oil-rich country reimbursed us, i hope libya will reimburse us. but our priority is to make sure weapons are secure and we allow them to stand up a stable government that will allow them to be in a position to reimburse us. >> new hampshire senator kelley ayotte thank you for coming on this morning. just when you thought the debate over whether president obama was born in america had you been put to bed, rick perry
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brought the issue back into the headlines. in an interview with "parade" perry this had exchange. do you believe that president obama was born in the united states? governor perry. i have no reason to think otherwise. then after being pressed, governor perry says, i don't have a definitive answer because he has never seen my birth certificate. but the reporter responded, but you have seen his. and perry said, i don't know i have. mark la montana hill and most of our world and republican strategist and founder of del percentia strategies. the birther issue reborn, so to speak. we thought the birther debate was old news and here we have it coming back into the news cycle through perry. do you think this was a mistake? >> not for perry, because at this point people know who and what he is. what he is trying to do is send a smoke signal out to the extreme work to court voters back, particularly when herman
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cain seems to have company captured their attention. what it will do is attract voters into that stuff. >> susan, when we talk about smoke signals, rick perry talked about his discussion with donald trump who still does not believe the president was born here. so basically perry can say i got this from donald trump. is that a way to have a disclaimer and send the smoke signal out for the birther movement that this is a guy that supports extreme views? is. >> i don't know how you would have a disclaimer for a conversation that didn't make sense in the first place saying he has never seen my birth certificate. this was not a smart move for perry, because now we're talking about basically something that was put to bed several months ago, right before the eve of his tax policy. he's supposed to make a substantial tax policy announcement tomorrow and this is what we're talking about and that was a big mistake for him. >> let's talk about something else perry has brought into the forefront, the fact he is a hunter, strong defender of the second amendment, his love
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affair with guns. take a listen to this. >> it was a long love affair with a boy and his gun that turned into a man and his gun. and then it turned into a man and his son and his daughter and their guns. >> mark, how should people interpret this? >> as a desperate attempt for votes from his conservative base. you know, next he'll have a commercial about pro life. you know, i've always -- you know, it's a very odd thing he's doing to some. but if you think about it, it's very calculated. he's trying to show voters he's the most conservative. it's a mistake, not for him but the entire republican party because they continue to outconservative each other and really going to alienate voters. >> steve forbes coming out in support of perry. do you think that will move poll numbers? >> probably not at this point. if his tax plan is very good, which, you know, i understand -- but if the flat tax -- it's something that americans are supporting more and more. flat tax, that can start. and there's a positive conversation around his tax
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plan. that can move his numbers. >> all right. we'll continue to watch. great to see you both this morning. thanks for your time. a big day in the trial of michael jackson's doctor which resumes in a few moments. the prosecution plans to rest and the defense will have its term. sources close to the case tell nbc news that murray's doctors have developed a new time line about what happened inside michael jackson's mansion the day he died. that includes telling the jury that jackson swallowed eight pills of the sedative lorazepam and then claiming jackson injected himself with more propofol later that morning. ricky cleeman joins me this morning. great to see you. >> nice to see you, thomas. >> let's go over this new time line from the defense starting at 1:00 a.m. with jackson returning home and through the day taking valium, lorazepam, along with propofol. and dr. murray is then giving him -- injecting him with that lz. but jackson is taking the pills
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on his own. is this something -- the strategy, rickie, the jury could buy? >> of course it's a strategy the jury could buy if it can use its expert witness, dr. white, to attempt to prove it up through a hypothetical. we do know that there were times during the course of this night, into the morning hours, where michael jackson was desperate to sleep. desperate. and that what doctor murray was doing, which is what he has always said he was doing, including on his taped statement, was from time to time giving him sedatives in order to be able to let him sleep, including the propofol. but also other sedatives in and of themselves. michael jackson lives in a world, thomas, that i would call michael's world. and one of the things the defense has not yet done, which it desperately needs to do which if it is going to convince one juror there is reasonable doubt here, is it has to show how secretive michael jackson was.
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that he could go into this bedroom where no one was allowed to be admitted, and grab these pills and take them down and not tell his doctor. we certainly also know, thomas, that they're going to call randy phillips, from aeg, the promoters of the concert tour. and aeg certainly knows, because of their scheduling difficulties, that michael jackson was in tough shape physically. >> right. >> so you know he had to sleep. >> so rickie, the defense played 15 witnesses. if they can show jackson himself triggered this overdose, does that get murray off the took? >> no, but it looks like they would want one jury -- they at least want to find one so the jury is hung. for 12 jurors to come to the conclusion that with all of the defaults, with all of the actions on the part of conrad murr murray, which are clearly the glow of the standard of care, to an inexcusable level, they would somehow have to believe that michael jackson, in and of
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himself, caused his own death. problem is, who put this stuff there for michael jackson to get ahold of in order to cause that death? dr. conrad murray. >> rickie, last but not least, we are expecting the jackson family to be in the courtroom. we understand janet jackson cancelled concerts in australia to be there with her family. is this the sign the trial is going to be in the home stretch? how much longer would you say? >> i would say the case is going to go to the jury next week. i know that janet jackson still is scheduled to go back to her concert tour around november 2 or 3. i think that that may be premature. but it's right about at the time that this case is going to close. so thomas, you and i will have some time together still. >> okay. i look forward to it. legal analyst rickie clooeman, thank you. despite staffers quitting object her, michele bachmann suggests things are fine behind the scenes. we'll have a chance to talk to a member of her team on how they're moving on, even with the worker walkout.
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flo arizona congresswoman gabby giffords continues her road to recovery with another round of physical therapy. the arizona "capitol times" is reporting that giffords' campaign spending has doubled, roughly $189,000. a democratic ticket led by joe biden in 2016? let's just say the vice president isn't ruling that one out. >> i wonder when you look around, if you ever thought, hmmm, four more years, 2016. have you totally ruled that out in your head? >> i'm in the best shape of my life, doing what i love, and as long as i do, i'll continue to do it. let's get the president re-elected. >> okay. but a possibility. you're not closing that door? >> i'm not closing anything. >> biden is 68 years old and would be 73 on election day 2016. he has run for president twice. once in 1988 then again in 2008. and a majority of americans
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are fed up with the way our country picks a president. a gallup poll finds 62% say the constitution should be amended to replace the electoral college. michele bachmann's campaign is hiring after her staff in new hampshire walked out without even hang handing in a resignation. they say bachmann was not spending enough time there. sunday, bachmann said h her immediate priorities are elsewhere. >> well, we are replacing the staff we have in new hampshire. we've had a great week this last week, and we are focused on iowa. we've spent a great deal of time in new hampshire, prior to that and also in south carolina. we also recognize the process. iowa has stated january 3rd is now the date. so they're number one. >> joining me now from little rock, arkansas is alice stort, nice to have you on with us this morning. you said saturday the staffers never told you they were leaving.
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what do you think happened here and how surprised were you this was not only unprofessional, but it seems to send the message they were disgruntled? is. >> well, you said the words. we certainly aren't saying that. at the end of the day, this hasn't changed our strategy one bit. we have planned all along to focus on iowa. that's been our priority from day number one. in terms of new hampshire, we had a few people that left, we still have some people there. we are bringing more people on board there. new hampshire is an important state. we just did a four-day bus tour there. but we have always said from day one, from here on out, our number-one priority is for iowa. michelle got into this race later than many of the other candidates and focused on iowa, doing what she does better than the rest of them as retail politics and won the iowa cau caucus, which cast was critical. and from then on, iowa was a top priority. we've got the iowa caucuses coming up january 3rd, and that's our big focus. and we're going to spend more than 35 days there between now and then.
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so in terms of new hampshire, it's critical and important but our focus is on iowa. >> the prop priority being iowa, is this the make it or break it for bachmann? >> well, it's important. you know, remember where we were in 2008. we had rudy guiliani and fred thompson ahead in the polls and mike huckabee trailing in the polls and he came up to win the iowa caucuses. it's important. it will give us a big boost as we head to the early states. new hampshire, south carolina, as well as florida. so it's important. but, you know, as we said, she is a -- the best retail politician in this state. she was there all this weekend, had had great reception at many events, town halls and at a big church service yesterday. so she's going to continue to meet people face-to-face and hear what they have to say. and she wins people over one at a time, one crowd at a time, and one event at a time. so iowa will be very important. >> alice, university of iowa poll this weekend found your candidate is in sixth place with just under 4%. how much has herman cain's recents surge hurt michele
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bachmann? >> well, herman cain is certainly a top of the polls and as i just said, in 2008, we had thompson and guiliani it top of the polls, and they fell quickly. the more people found out about them and the more people understood they didn't have what it takes to be president. mike huckabee went on to win the caucuses and do well from there. and what we're going to do is put the pedal to the metal in iowa. she is going to meet people face-to-face. and the good thing about people in iowa and all the early states, they don't make their decisions based on the polls or the pundits or what they read and see on tv. they take it seriously. they want that face-to-face contact. they want to be able to meet the person, once, twice and even three times. and she is going to do that. they make their decision based on their personal connection with the candidates. and that's why this is so important to get out there and meet them. so we trust the people of iowa that they'll make their decision based on having met her, where she stands on the issues. she is in sync with the people of iowa when it comes to pro life, and strong families and strong national defense. and she has a framework of jobs
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right here, right now that will help turn the economy around and great jobs. and the more we go across the state and share that with the i difference and people will certainly come on board. >> we'll see how it goes, thanks so much. >> thanks, thomas, have a great day. >> secretary of state clinton having a good laugh at herman cain's expense. in america, we believe in a future that is better than today. since 1894, ameriprise financial has been working hard for their clients' futures. never taking a bailout. helping generations achieve dreams. buy homes. put their kids through college. retire how they want to. ameriprise. the strength of america's largest financial planning company. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you, one-to-one.
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going to comment on politics but i am in favor of beckystan. >> why it's important to know about uzbekistan and its strategic interest to the u.s. here are the comments by presidential candidate herman cain that originally got everybody's attention. >> i'm ready for the gotcha questions and asked me of the president of u-becky, beck yif, becky, becky stan stan. i don't know. knowing all of the leaders of the world i don't think that's critical to focusing on national security and getting this economy going. >> interestingly the secretary of state met the president of uzbekistan. the ties between the u.s. and pakistan continue to sour this
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could become so important, bolstering an important supply line with uzbekistan and other countries in the northern distribution network could help for the u.s. forces in afghanistan. despite a poor human rights record, laws are pending in congress to allow the u.s. to give more military aid to uzbekistan, so it seems this country will continue to remain in the spotlight, that's why our presidential candidates should be paying closer to aengs to it as well as other countries in the region as well. that will do it for me today. i appreciate your time. see you back here at 11:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow, every weekday morning, follow me on twitter @thomasaroberts. veronica de la cruz will be here after the break. stick around. but my data is doubling. my servers are maxed out. i need to think about something else when i run. [ male announcer ] with efficient i.t. solutions from dell, doug can shift up to 50% of his company's technology spend from operating costs to innovation.
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the 7.2 magnitude quake struck at lunch time, in the immediate aftermath the dust has yet to settle and when it does, there are tears, there is confusion and there is fear. ambulances race through the streets, carrying the injured to hospitals. so overrun inside that quake victims have to be treated outside. the quake flattened dozens of buildings in the region. >> just see a lot of building that just collapsed like pancakes which would have been extremely dangerous for people to be inside them at the time. >> reporter: rescue crews worked overnight to free those trapped under the rubble sometimes with their bare hands. here they rescue a 10-year-old boy and here another rescue, a little boy heard crying all night, he's still crying, visibly shaken yet alive. more than 260 people
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