series. >> if you ignored it for six games, do yourself a favor and watch it tonight. >> boston and atlanta a few weeks ago? >> not really. >> what time is it? >> everybody have a great weekend. we'll see you back here on monday. enjoy the white castle, folks. chuck todd is up now. a little deja vu all over again. the congressional super committee that has to cut the deficit by $1.5 trillion is facing a deadline now just weeks away and no surprise, there are deep divisions between the two parties. by the way, just how real is the november 23rd deadline? this is congress, you know. the dow closed thursday up 340 points on news of the european debt deal and the positive growth numbers here at home. how long before the good news on wall street turns into good news on main street? >> and one of the most exciting finishes to a world series game

ever. the cardinals stay alive with an 11th-inning stunner. no way they lose game seventh, right? october 28th and i'm chuck todd. by the way, it's filing day in new hampshire. the last day to become a candidate for president in the new hampshire primary. you got that, mitch daniels? chris christie? sarah palin? i'm teasing. it will be over today. we'll know the field. we start on capitol hill where the thanksgiving deadline is fast approaching for the special bipartisan super committee to present it's plan to cut the deficit. democrats on the panel released a proposal to cut 3 trillion. they get there in part with more than $1 trillion in new tax revenue. house speaker john boehner didn't like it at all. here's what he said yesterday. >> when i see news reports of of some of what was put on the table, democrats wanting $1.3

trillion worth of tax increases and this was the same number that was in the president's budget. the same number and i don't know that they found any democrats in the house and senate to vote for, and i don't think it's a reasonable number. >> republicans on the panel countered with their own plan without tax increases. house democratic leader nancy pelosi had her own take on who is not being the reasonable one. >> i don't know what other facts they need, what more information they need to understand that it has to be big, bold and balanced so let's just right to it. >> the cbo will need a couple of weeks to score. members will become familiar with it and so will the american people. >> it will cut $1.3 trillion in cuts only. >> they will admit that the only way they can get to 3 trillion. they can't do it by cuts.

>> the deadline is 25 day away, but how real is the deadline? remember, the automatic cuts f they don't reach an agreement don't take place until 2013. who believes the 2012 won't allow the election results of 2012 to suddenly impact more decisions down the road. >> speaking of deadline, today really is the last chance for candidates to file for the new hampshire primary. papers must be submitted by close of business today. rick perry will be at the statehouse just after lunch today to submit his papers, but the real story today is gary johnson who isn't doing a great job of convincing us that he's running a serious campaign. johnson failed to file by proks pep yesterday was the deadline to do it by mail which means he has to show up in person today if he wants to get on the ballot. a member of the two-term governor of new mexico. he told nbc, quote, the

technical term is that we screwed up. johnson hopped a red eye last night from arizona, plans to file later this morning. you realize the johnson campaign. this is the one that's advocating legalization of marijuana. the joke just writes itself. they did shell out the $35,000 the south carolina republican party charges to get on that primary ballot. back to new hampshire. there's a record number of republicans to run in the new hampshire presidential primary. this time it was 25 back in 1992. so far 24 republicans have already filed papers in new hampshire this year. seven of the declared candidates and 17 people you've probably never heard of. remember, it only costs $1,000 to get on the ballot in the granite state. assuming rick perry and gary johnson file as expected, it would bring this number up to a record-breaking 26 candidates and you have to figure out all of them and finally, speaking of

the presidential race. rick perry has stirred up the hornet's nest to by letting people know he might not take part in many debates. at times sleepy and at other times fiery. his rivals don't like the idea that they won't join him on stage at every debate that's scheduled between now and the end of january. >> by skipping the dates and skipping forms like we've seen with several of the candidates here today is trying to hide the ball and i'm about transparency. i'm about, you know, talking directly to the american public. >> governor perry will find an enormous mistake. it's pretty silly. you can nominate someone who would stay in the same platform with us. >> well, it's not surprising

that it's the santorum and gingrich and the candidates who lack the money and need the debate exposure that some of the front-runners don't want to be participating in any debate. that said there are quite a few of them and you understand when it comes to hand to hand campaigning they don't want to do it. president obama said fixing the housing crisis will help the middle class, that means more just hanging on. the road back will be long and painful. henry cisneros, former secretary of housing and urban development in the clinton years. he's part of a new bipartisan commission trying to find some answers. secretary cisneros, nice to see you. >> chuck, good to see you. >> let's start with this problem, we have a problem with a lot of underwater homes and there's been a chance to reincentivize things where they owe more money than their house is worth, but the banks aren't doing this voluntarily. what do you do?

>> well, first of all, it is critical to address the howing problem. we haven't had a recovery since the end of world war ii that wasn't led by or involved the housing sector and the housing sector is very flat and on the side lines and we're not going to have the robust recovery that we need. the job generating recovery -- >> let me be cynical here for a second. we have enough housing. we built so much. those other ones -- the other housing recoveries were because we had population booms that we needed to build the houses. >> and the fact that we have enough housing is part of the problems. we have foreclosures and the overhang to keep builders from building again. the administration took a step this week for allowing for refinancing and a role for fanny and freddie that are keeping up with payments and several million people will be addressed by that.

they'll have another initiative under way that will deal with foreclosures by allowing investors to buy foreclosures and to rent them. they have another effort with the attorneys general on the robosigning settlement that might well address as a result of a settlement the banks providing a principal -- >> you do have money to go directly to the principal reduction for folks? >> no. it's just the nature of the requirement of the banks in order to get a settlement is what i think is sort of in the works. >> so the point is there are individual pieces. i think the administration may not yet have articulated them as a whole, but there's no question housing needs to be addressed. a reporter asked me a week or so ago, is it too late? well, it's not too late. it's never too late when you don't have a recovery and you need to address the housing problem. >> mitt romney was pretty blunt about what he thought was the best way. here's what he said. let me play the clip.

>> don't try and stop the foreclosure process. let it run its course and hit the bottom, allow investors to buy the hopes and let renters go in, and the obama administration has slow walked the on foreclosure process that has long existed and as a result we'll still have a foreclosure overhang. >> there is this fear that essentially all of these little fixes are pumping air into a balloon that has holes in it. >> i think it's a mistake to follow the romney strategy which is to let it drift and let it over a long span of time. i think the country would pay too difficult a price in light of a continuing, flat recovery. >> we need the housing sector back and all of these things need to be put together. i think the practical answer is to address these. >> there's something else that caught our eye. here's what lawrence summers said, when he was part of the

obama administration. while the focus has been on reversing its previous policies and intriguing the morality play involving homeowners, financial institutions and banks rather than a component of national economic policy. >> he's trying to make it this idea that why are we bailing out somebody who couldn't afford their house in the first place. in the good times, housing and accessorizing and transportation of materials is 16 force 20% of gdp. it is really important and needs to be addressed as part of larger, economic policy. this initiative is designed to ask the big questions. what should the role of government and housing be going forward? we know it was a major part of the turndown, of the recession and of the crash. what should the role of housing be going forward?

let me ask. does the government overincentivize people to become homeowners. stho there is a need that focuses on renters. there is a role of what is the role of fannie mae and freddie mac. i think we have a function of securitizati securitization, but probably, it no doubt was a bad thing. there are other issues like changing demographics. we'll have fewer homeowners out of the middle class. we have aging populations that want to be renters and not want to be saddled with a home. this is the right time to be asking a lot of questions. it's been a long time, 1949 when president truman declared an american goal of a safe and decent house for every american since we had kind of a consensus that lasted for 50 years. now we've hit this seismic fault

that requires thinking about demographics, supply, the new forms of technology and regulators and change the framework. >> let me ask you a political question. >> you're a texan that lives in san antonio? >> do i. >> what can you tell us about rick perry that other folks don't know? >> i think that if the country wants the best choices, it will be president obama and mitt romney. so that's my answer to perry is i think mitt romney is more presidential and ready to be president. >> are there parts of perry that people are underestimating or overestimating? >> you know, rick perry is a nice guy and he's understood texas very, very, very well, but my own sense is not ready for the big issues. i watched president clinton up close. i watched international flow of -- of -- of the economy and nations and i don't think rick perry is ready to be president of the united states.

>> speaking of president clinton, you'll be on a panel with him today. >> yeah. >> talking about the economy at georgetown. >> we're talking about the clinton years and some of the things that were done that set up the longest expansion in american history and some of the lowest unemployment rates and lowest poverty rates and things we can learn to put the washington on track. >> a lot of tea leafers will be interested in what president clinton has to say. >> thank you. >> control in the senate, democrat, with more and more seat coming into play. can republicans pick up the four they need with or without a republican presidential victory? we'll handicap those races. we're watching 2012. it's the charlie and stu segment. you've got to be here. he delivers one-liners like nobody else in this anchor business. brian williams is adding a new title to his portfolio, the first network news magazine to launch in almost 20 years.

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>> just in the last month more and more u.s. senate races are coming into play. democrats and their independent colleagues control 53 seats. 23 of which are at stake in 2012. republicans are defending far fewer, but both sides know just four seats determine the balance of power. stu is publisher of "the political report," just you and me, brother.

we'll give him a pass and a lot of people watched a very, very late baseball game last night, but some of us made it in, but we'll have to give him a hard time later. since we last got together, the map isexpanding. a couple of the seats actually do look competitive and let's s.t.a.r.t. with massachusetts which maybe becomes the most natural of the senate races. >> elizabeth warren finally got in the race. the democratic field has been cleared because she'll be the nominee. one by one they dropped out when they saw how much money she raised. >> it's the presidential level. >> at least compared to this. >> absolutely. and she raised small dollars and she had a pretty good launch with organized labor and the conservation. against scott browning. you can see the parameters of this race developing. she's talking about the middle class and rung against the big

banks and big oil. >> it was washington with the message and this is a case where a large democratic turnout for a presidential year is automatically going to get her to the 48% mark. the question is she'll just find two more points. >> exactly. republicans talk about their opportunities and the conservative state. democrats say wait a minute. massachusetts is very different. this is to say the president will do very well and she just needs to get most of his support. >> another thing that the president will do extremely well in is in his birth state of hawaii and yet republicans if you would ask them there's only one candidate we can get and they got them. >> linda, former governor, popular governor. i'm a little surprised, and i thought she would toy with it, but she jumped in. it will be a hard state for any

republican candidate and now the race is worth watching. >> it will probably be the democratic nominee? >> no. she's the favorite and ed case is a serious contender. >> it's a democratic establishment launch. >> florida? the rep reps were nervous that they weren't putting a state in place and the minute they say no on. >> back to baseball. >> what changed his mind? >> i'm not sure and republican strategists aren't sure. >> that caught them by surprise in he picked up the phone at 6:00 the other night and he said by the way, i'm going to run for the senate after spurning their earlier plea to get into the race. this shakes things up. they still see the race as further down the list than initially hoped. >> and he's the lock to get the nomination. the former appointed senator,

he's got to raise a ton of money. >> this is going to be an interesting republican. >> it's a late primary. >> yeah. >> quickly, nevada, a lot of us had thought don't overlook shelly berkeley and now there's a wrap on dean heller. is this a wrap that will stick? >> it's a rap that i've heard. that he'll sit on the phone rather than get out and shake hands. he'll have an opportunity to disprove that knock and if he works hard we'll say what we heard was wrong. >> nevada, there are three senate races that you look at like the nevada and the two in ohio and virginia and probably josh mandela in virginia and the presidential, which way the state goes into presidential probably brings the senate race. who of those could win while

their presidential candidate lost the state? >> well, i think you make a really good point that the top of the ticket could matter. i just think that george allen is a pretty strong candidate. he was so narrowly last time and now tim cain is not just the former governor. he was the former governor who is the dnc chairman and he's easily tagged with the national democratic label. >> you'd rather be george allen? >> i would. georgeal sen a proven vote better although he had a bump in the road the last time. i think josh is younger and has a higher hurdle to clear, but i think democratic efforts to say this race is over in ohio is way too premature. >> the chances the republicans take control of the senate. how much 50% are you in that camp? >> think you want a number? >> i think it's more than 50%. i don't know, 55% chance that they'll move in the senate. >> you'll move the trade number.

i've been saying from plus 2 to plus 5. i think it's higher rather than lower. i think there's a bias taken off the center. >> stu rothenberg. we'll needle charlie all day. >> we should. >> thank you, sir. starting monday nbc's brian williams will be doing double duty hosting "nightly news" in the evening and his new show "rock center" literally he has to walk about ten feet at 10:00. brian joins me now. you've been very busy. are you okay or did you just not sleep? >> no, i'm all right. when matt lauer takes a day off the pressure is on and they extorted me to start across 49th street at the "today" show and you diminished my commute across the street to a different studio. it's an entirely different discipline, chuck. it's about individual congressional districts in nevada not that that wasn't absolutely fascinating. >> okay. bring it on.

let's talk about the mission of "rock center" like most people when you go on a late-night show you brought a clip, so i do want to play a little bit of the first package that is going to appear on monday. here it is and then i want to talk about what the mission of the show is. >> okay. >> they rumbled through like modern buffalo, a stampede that can't be stopped. starting salary for truck drivers, $80,000 a year. you can make $15 a dollar at taco john. in town or in the oilfield, if you're willing to work, the money is here. >> there's opportunity here and that's what we all need is opportunity. >> longtime mayor says they're well becoming host to job seekers from all 50 states. in just five years its population has nearly doubled to 23,000. >> we have 2,000 to 3,000 job openings here and more coming on the scene every here. >> 2,000 to 3,000.

a lot of jobs get filled every day. for every job you fill another job and a half opens up. >> that first piece about how north dakota, why is it that they have survived that recession? frankly, they're thriving. >> because they have something under the ground that will help to power the country and, chuck, this kind of quasi oil boom up there, it really can be said. it you're an american family in the clutches of chronic unemployment. if you're down and out and wondering what would save you, if you're willing to relocate and move your family or if you're just an individual and live in north dakota, then they have a job waiting for you at a decent wage for skilled workers for motivated people, and this is -- you asked about what kind of show this is going to be. this is the kind of piece we're going to be hearing on "rock center" and harry smith is among the new friends and colleagues.

ted koppel joined us and this is going to be, we hope, a signature part of the nbc schedule and just another place for people like you and me and all our friends and colleagues at nbc news to shine. >> one of the things that i noticed about this is that you brought along this sort of rock star cast of folks. what is it that you're hoping ted cokoppel will bring to the program? >> for "nightline," for folks in the tv business who know the name tom batag, he joins us as a segment producer and on and on and on and meredith vieira is coming back and so forth. so what they're going to bring is everything they bring. years of experience, gravitas, having been literally shot at before in the field, they're just going to make us better and

give us another person to say to the audience when we come back, ted koppel will join us here on "rock center." >> the most important question i get though, today and this morning is who will tweet first? koppel or williams? >> boy, that's going to be a steel death cage playoff. you know, i haven't had that much interesting -- you know me. i don't have that much interesting to say. >> you can rant about the giants. that's the beauty of twitter, brian. you can rant about -- it's a way to go off. >> well, you know, the mediocrity of the nfc east. you can fire people up about that, and the mediocrity of the new york yankees and you like all of the winners, the new york winners all of the time. the mediocrity of the eastern division. i will be in philadelphia for the game this weekend that will take everything i have to watch the cowboys. all that's missing is the redskin snoops what do you root

for in something like that? >> i don't root. i'm a giants fan. i just observe. >> all right. brian williams, we're going get people to tweet at you. >> oh, that's happening. that's been on for months. i hear it all. i'm not like the deaf relative at the thanksgiving table. >> fair enough. brian williams. the show, "rock center" 10:00 monday. you're not the deaf relative, but you are sometimes when you're with me when i'm on the phone. thank you, sir. >> thanks, chuck. can wall street hang on to the big gains? our market rundown is just ahead. keeping score in congress. we'll go behind the scenes for a look at why some members are fuming about a new capitol hill grading system. first the trivia question from the almanac of american pol six. congressman connie mack was named for his great-grandfather, the longtime owner of the philadelphia as team. when was his real name?

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. >> quick turn to wall street where the opening bell has just run. sa andrew ross sorkin. you'll have the best october in decades. does that mean anything for the u.s. economy? >> well, the good news is it means we're not going into another moment and the market clearly surged yesterday off of this european deal. however, today we're having a little bit of a hangover. the market opening a little flat, a little down and that's really a function of the fact that people are now digesting what's happening in europe and they're saying there might be questions about how this deal all gets done. so i think we're not out of the woods yet. i will tell you the the big story on wall street this morning had to deal with a politician or a former politician which is jon corzine, a former goldman sachs man and former governor of new jersey

and senator. he runs a firm called mf global and they're in a heap of trouble with a lot of exposure to european sovereign debt and they're looking to sell pieces of that business and that's one of the situations that seemed so dire that seem to go into the weekend, a la 2008 and what happens with this company is still a big question. a lot of people will be watching jon corzine and mf global. andrew ross sorkin. thank you, sir. "the daily rundown" will be back in 30 seconds.

just in case you missed it, we have to show you the final play from last night's world series game between the cardinals and rangers started to be called the best game of all time. they tied it again in the tenth and won it in the 11th in the first walk-off home run since joe carter and the toronto blue jays in '92. game seven is tonight. see? you don't need a new york team or a philly team to make the world series interesting. go cardinals and go old washington center. anyway, it's only october, but it sure feels like winter parts of the northeast this morning. portions of new england and the mid atlantic are bracing for a significant snowstorm this weekend. nbc meteorologist bill karins is here with a full-fledged nor'easter? is that what we're calling this? >> once it gets up to new

england, yes, it will feel like a nor'easter. if you're up in cape cod or coastal maine or new hampshire. this storm is located down over tennessee. just light rain there, but it's heading for the northeast and the mid atlantic. temperatures right now in the 30s and 40s. so the cold air is in place just waiting for the storm to arrive. it's unbelievable. this has never happened before. we've never had an i-95 snowstorm in october. we are in uncharted territory here and who knows? maybe it will be a cold rain and weather, people will be wrong, but right now computers are telling us snowstorm. up around haguers town and maryland and right through central pennsylvania. our computers say as far as snowfall totals about, obviously the higher elevations will get the most snow. those areas could get 6 to 12 inches. mostly rain and then changing over to heavy, wet snow. it will not accumulate a lot. probably a slushy inch or two, if you're to the north and west

of d.c. and philly all up i-95, they're looking at one to three inches and power outages are the big thing. if you have leaves on the trees and you get a lot of heavy, snow, not a good combination. >> bill karins, thank you, sir. he'll have a lot of impact on football games saturday and sunday. heritage action for america is a conservative group, it is an effort to show who is and who isn't defending conservative principles, but some on capitol hill are not too happy with the scoring system and the potential fallout from them. mike needham is cheek executive officer of heritage action. we brought you in in response to some of the reporting that we've been doing and hearing about with members, for instance, quitting the republican study group over this scoring system so walk us through this scoring system as to why does an eric cantor who a lot of people think is a conservative guy gets a 61? >> aeric cantor gets a 61 becaue

he voted the way we recommended. we're trying to launch a conversation that's based on transparentsy and accountability. the house passed a budget and it's a big, bold budget and it gets the country on the balance. we want to point that out. at the same time, the status quo is continuing in washington which is why 81% of the american people are there, you have trade adjustments being extended. a firefighter grand program that the heritage foundation has done a study on. >> so you just brought up the trade adjustment. you guys are against that part. that was part of the trade deal. does that mean that the vote for the trade deal would be considered a negative vote in your scoring system? >> there were four votes that happened that week. there were four free trade agreements and there was trade adjustment assistance. >> as we all know there was a back room deal cut that had free

adjustment. let's talk about trade adjustment assistance on its merits and let's talk about south korea and fta on their meritis. >> want to show you the top score in the system here. jeffrey duncan, 97%, jeff blake, 97%, and tom graves, 97%. what does it take to get a 100? the american conservative, they throw out 100s for pretty much anybody who votes fairly, you know, consistently in the middle. what does it take to get 100 from you? >> i don't think we see perfection in this world. >> what was the missing vote? it's clearly one vote they missed. ni i think jeff duncan voted the wrong way on a textile issue, but the point is we go on our website. we have all of this out there very transparent and we want constituents to go to their member of congress and say hey, i saw you on the website and it's up 61%.

let's talk about the votes and give us an explanation. >> the republican study group and it's a conservative group led by ohio that somehow the system is too tied in with jim jordan. >> we disa agreed on the rsc on a number of different issues. it would be a conservative group. what the the leap to that has been made -- this is taking that next step and making it too close, you know, the vote scoring has been going with washington interest groups for decades and maybe this is almost like a member. >> that's totally not true. i think a lot of the pushback comes back and we didn't get the memo that they don't get with 95% and we don't think that's fair. we think there's a role for people to go out and say just because you're on the red team

doesn't mean you're a good guy. just because you're on the blue team doesn't mean you're a bad guy. what is the voting record on things that are big and things that are small and let's have a conversation between members of congress? >> i want to show the scoring system for the democrats. 9%, harry reid, and 20% nancy pelosi. >> the four leaders of congress who have the highest score from you, why is she 20%? >> i think that's nancy police owe a couple of these. >> you score the votes i think i know a couple of the votes that are scoring best with you. >> atmeyer from pennsylvania and these are districts that were strongly republican districts who & probably should have a good conservative defending them. >> will you tell voters in the districts to make sure how they rank. they can go to town halls and

say hey -- >> you'll spend millions of dollars making sure there's a conversation in washington, d.c. based on transparency and based on accountability and not this red team, blue team typical politics as usual. >> i know you will endorse candidates? >> you're just going to be doing the scoring system? >> what we need is conversations and there's a safety valve in the democratic system and that's members of congress explaining their voting record to the constituents and we hope everyone will do it. mike needham, heritage action -- >> heritage action.com. >> this is the political arm of the heritage foundation. >> you got it. >> thanks for coming on. it's the tgi friday political panel. david gregory has an exclusive interview with the president's 2008 campaign manager and white house season senior adviser

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as we told you, former new mexico governor gary johnson and marijuana legalization advocate is making a last-minute trip to new hampshire because they forgot to file before time runs out to get on the state's primary ballot. what a way to start the friday, filing day panel here. phil muster is president of new frontier strategy and former adviser to the tim pawlenty. he's the -- and didi meyers, white house press secretary for president clinton. >> there's nobody on the tarmac today flying. who knew gary johnson -- >> the joke writes itself, right? >> he will ski into the -- it is, but the reality is we're talking about new hampshire and we're talking about filing the deadline and is new hampshire competive and will it get competitive? >> it's stronger than people realize? >> it's stronger than people realize. they're doing the retail. perry is up there today speaking to an important social conservative group.

a group called cornerstone action run by huckabee types in the state, but romney is doing a townhaul down the road and he's spent the time. >> his vacation home is in new hampshire. >> i'm not going there. >> but he's almost a resident. is romney strong in new hampshire? yes. can that change late and can there be a challenge to romney? >> robert, what's been interesting about this week is the two, i guess you would call them the financial front-runners. romney and perry are the most legitimate to win the nomination. they both had the type of weeks that underscored their weaknesses, right? sometimes it's stay spot off and suddenly the debates, he's fearful of saying the wrong thing at the wrong time. >> he's all over the map and this issue of issue two and it's what people realize for both of them.

>> it underscores how the support is and how unlikely it is that perry will be the nominee. a lot of people are concerned about the debate performance and they don't think it's in the last hour. >> it will not be in the debate? >> no. here's why. if you don't confidence in yourself to be able to say among republicans, how do you feel to work, and in the roes is, why should i give you money. >> i say this as far as trying to get the debate on nbc. it has to take time away from the campaign trail and a rick perry in particular, his strength, you believe, is the one campaign. >> no question about it. how many debases were -- >> we're already ahead of schedule. >> right. there are weeks when there are three debates in a ten-day period. by the time you travel, if you have to do that, you're talking

about there's no time to do anything else. he would be coming from a position of strength where he had a strong debate performance, and i can do that, but i choose not to. >> he has to have one strong debate before he starts skipping. >> i don't think he generally ruled out. it's not just the day before you show up and do the prep and ten days out, you're thinking about the strategic approach. this is a real drag and being able to carve out two or three days to repare if you have to outperform. >> go ahead. >> it creates a narrative that this guy can't, frankly, finish at the finish line. >> which means he has to have a good debate performance to pull this off.

who do these debates serve? they serve the networks and the cable outlets that are broadcasting it. >> well, cnbc, i think it's a chance to serve the voters well on an the state of michigan. so take that. >> easy, robert. phil. stick around, we'll talk about a fascinating focus group involving the president. first, the trivia we asked connie mack was named for his great grandfather the long time owner of the philadelphia a's became the city's. what was connie mack's real name. cornelius alexander ma gill cut i. believe it or not, the former senator are not named cornelius. they're simply copy. you're watching the daily rundown only on ms nbc. only all three names gets the credit on my twitter feed. i'll let you know in a minute. of any small business credit card. the spark card earns double miles...

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let's bring back the pam. our friend peter hart half of the poll is probably as good of a focus group and did the focus group, he did it in cincinnati. it's been written about. we have details. we can't play the clips. we don't want to show the people. here's one to throw out here to react to. it was insert candidate where your next door neighbor, what kind of neighbor would he be? here's what was said about rick perry. this was a very mixed group of republicans and, independents, democrats. >> annoying. i would put up a fence. i wouldn't be on the casserole committee. i would have to move. knows everything about the neighborhood and not afraid to tell anything about it. there weren't positive things on rick perry. >> first i am pregs are important in politics. that's the central challenge of the perry campaign. there's a lot of enthusiasm. he has to course correct on that.

those focus groups and verbatim pieces of feedback aren't the things you want to see. >> robert, here's what was said about rick romney. he'd be suntanning, lots of visitors and parties. he'd be political but friendly. they'd build a wall where i used to live. >> again, nicer impressions but you can see this underneath narrative that he's got to deal with, with this assumption he's a rich guy and aloof. >> he looks that way in terms of his personality but in terms of how he moves and interacts with people. there's no question that mitt romney is a people person but only when he wants to be. that's what it's saying. >> talking to michelle instead. may be soft spoken, calm, another person said he would say he would organize the neighborhood but he'd probably hire someone to o do it. he's not getting high marks either. >> people generally like president obama. they think he's a good person and a good family man. they don't think he is -- he's not connecting to people as well

as he needs to be. he's not sort of interested in -- >> here's what they say about herman cain. >> do they say anything nice. >> pleasant, trustworthy, one of us. he would be on the casserole committee. he'd take good care of his home. what does that tell you? now we know why he's ahead. >> the huckabee phenomenon. people see him and like him. >> he's a family member everyone loves. >> always underestimated. my sister has a new book out. take the lead. >> i will want to see betsy myers. >> club tonight, little dragons playing. 7:00 be there. >> my sister lila is working with a company like dee dee's, iphone guys are making the first intelligent thermostats for your house. there's a story on usa today tomorrow. >> the daily rundown. i'm not talking about last night's football game. have a great weekend. see you back here on monday.

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