good thing about the rich a model show is that you are never allowed to eat the garnish. that excuse me there. as for having to eat -- look at that. in day two the her main cain cam faine sticks to its brilliant strategy to suppress coverage of the contain campaign finance scandal. >> her main cain was making it up as he went along. >> is he making it better or worse? >> worse. >> made it up as he went along. >> we didn't know what was going to be in that report. >> he's had six or seven different lines of defense. >> what i knew and what i didn't know. what i can now remember and what i couldn't remember. >> herman cain was making it up. >> the post says one of the women accused him of sexual harassment in the late 1990s

want ups to tell her side of the story. >> herman cain's wife is out there giving an interview of her own. >> there's more stuff coming out. >> it will have legs now. >> we do know that he was caughç lying on a scandal, alleged scandal. >> i am not -- i wasn't aware of it. i am unaware. i was aware that an agreement was reached. yes, that was some sort of settlement. don't even know what the contents of that was. we ended up settling for what would have been a termination settlement three months salary. herman cain made a fool of himself. >> a political death by a thousand cuts. >> this ain't over. >> made it up as he went along. >> they're overwhelmed. >> what's happening to our list of candidates. >> if you don't run chris christie, romney will be the candidate.

>> tonight the lawyer for one of the women accused -- who accused herman cain of sexual harassment told "the washington post" her client wants to tell her side of the story but is barred by ate confidentiality agreement with the national restaurant association, a lobbying group where cain served as ceo when the alleged incidents took place. tomorrow the woman's lawyer will formally request that the association remove the confidentiality provision from that agreement. the lawyer told politico tonight, she's a highly intelligent, educated woman who has a sense of integrity and doesn't make false claims. when we're ready to go public on this, if we ever are, we'll do it in a way we consider appropriate like a press conference. tonight fox news asked cain

whether he will call for the national restaurant association to waive that confidentiality agreement. >> i can't answer that now, brett, because there are legal implications. if the restaurant association waives that, i just found out about this today. there are legal implications associated with that that i'm not totally familiar with yet, so i can't give you a definitive answer on that until we consult with our legal attorneys and also talk it to others. we can't answer that right now. it's too soon. >> oh, yeah, way too soon. of course, cain has had almost two weeks to think about that since politico started to ask him questions about this story. he's had about 13 years to think about it since the sexual harassment charge against him was made and the confidentiality agreement was made. today cain tried to explain why yesterday morning he denied knowledge of a financial settlement paid to one of his accusers before saying in the

afternoon that he was, indeed, aware of such a settlement. >> as i recalled what happened 12 years ago, i recalled an agreement. i wasn't thinking legal settlement, and so the words have been word having there and i remember this was an agreement. remember, this was 12 years ago, and i was trying to re-collect this in the middle of a busy plan today. >> cain began the day yesterday saying he did not recall any specifics of the charges leveled against him. by the end of yesterday cain said he could recall only one of the charges today he suggested that he might recall a couple more. >> did you ever ask what's she accusing me of or how did this turn out? >> i did, but when he said the gesture with the height thing and a couple of other things in

there that i found absolutely ridiculous. >> what were those? >> i can't remember. they were so ridiculous, i don't remember what they are. >> you remember they were ridiculous butd don't remember what those other things were? >> the reason i forgot them, robyn, is because they were ridiculous. i dismissed them out of my mind. >> the cain sexual harassment has die verlted attention from a possibly more important scandal facing the cain campaign. cain told laura ingram today he authorized a full investigation into whether his campaign received nearly $40,000 from prosperity usa that was co-founded by cain's chief of staff mark block, who you may

remember from cain's recent viral campaign ad. >> i just heard about it yesterday. we are doing a full investigation of it. and if there were any improprieties, we will go back and amend the fec report. sass what's what, laura, we will not only issue a press reless, but i will make sure that we let you know exactly what we found out and if there are any improprieties, we will correct them. >> mark block said the two scandals have been great for business. that joyride just released a statement. it boasts that in the last 24 hours the cain campaign has had the single best day of fund-raising since the start of the campaign. yesterday alone mr. cain received more than $400,000 in financial gifts from the supporters and also sources said block. cain super packed e-mail reports tote. patriots they're at it again. the left is trying to destroy

herman cain just like they did to clarence thomas. i don't think they can call it destroying him. he's a supreme court justice. they're engaging in a high tech lynching by smearing his reputation and attacking his character. the idea is barack obama and the left's worst nightmare. will you help us by helping fund part of the 1 million phone calls we are starting asap in iowa? joining me now, aol post editorial director howard fineman. also washington course dents for the nation, john in this case nicholls. we have breaking news at this hour from "the new york times." they have broken a story indicates that the -- to quote the times, the national restaurant association gave $35,000 a year, a year's salary in severance pay to a female staff member in the late 1990s after an incounter with herman cain. the chief of staff of that

lobbying organization. howard, herman cain said he assumed that the settlement was something like a month or so's pay. it turns out it's a year's pay. this is the kind of thing that you can ex t unfolding controversy like this. more and more facts will be coming out. what does this add to the story? >> what this adds to the story is first of all, it flushes out detail about one of the accusers, and there's a -- the question remains how many we're talking about here. politte cal said to herman cain has been confused and conflicting about his memory. my understanding from listening to what the attorney for one of the complainants said tonight is that that's not the person whose height herman cain supposedly

joked about, so that would indicate there's at least two. i haven't heard more than two, but there are at least two. of course, we haven't heard from either of those accusers. this is a classic case of an onion being peeled in exactly the kind of agonizing way that can ruin a campaign, and they may be raising a lot of money out of it at least temporarily. the bottom line is it's a disaster for herman cain. >> tonight we asked cain if he believes race has played a role in the way this story has emerged. let's listen to the answer. >> relative to the left, i believe that race is a bigger driving factor. i don't think it's a driving factor on the right. this is just based upon our speculation. >> john nicholls, what did he just say? >> well, he's spinning the now quite popular lie on the right

that somehow conservatives are dramatically more racially sensitive than liberals. polls and vote totals show african-americans think differently. the key thing here is this attempt by cain even now to suggest that barack obama or progressives would have some reasons to bring this story out now. in fact, i think barack obama and most progressives have been very much enjoying the rise of her herman cain as a political figure and the effect it's had on the republican primary fight. really he's trying to spin it away from an examination of who the likely source of this story is. of course, when you think about the fact that you've got a lobbying organization, which many republican players move in and out of, the real likelihood here is the story did not come from some racially insensitive democrat but from a republican

who might like to see someone other than herman cain be their party's nominee. >> let's listen to cain's answer last night to the question of whether he has a roaming eye. >> got a roaming eye at all? >> a roaming eye? >> yeah. >> i enjoy flowers like everyone else. >> you know what i mean. >> no. no, not at all. >> not at all? >> well, i wouldn't say not at all. it depends what you mean and the extent to what you mean. >> women see sexual harassment sometimes very differently than men. >> correct. here's what i can tell you. i know i never made any innuendos with the lady that filed the complaint that we were talking about at first. none. >> howard, he could have done a little better with that answer. at first it's not at all. what do you mean by not at all? >> first of all, it's remarkable

that fox news anchor would ask a candidate that. just think about that for starters. second, the thing about herman cain coming into focus here, lawrence, is on one hand he sounds kinds of confused and almost ditzy, but on the other hand he carefully parses his words as he tries to give these answers. he said he never had any innuendo with the person he was talking about. the 5 foot tall person. that's not the person whose lawyer is coming forward now. so he moves very carefully except every time he parses in that way, he opens the way for a revelation that will come up 6, 12, or 24 hours later about what really caused him to be so careful. there's clearly -- he's acting like a guy and he's creating a situation where people doubt what he says and look for the next thing to come forward and

it sounds like they're going to be a number of them even though iron in this casally i think in the end i don't know what we'll find about the real nature of what was said by him or done by him vis-a-vis these women. we don't know that. the fact we don't know and the we're a few days into this means it's days until we get the full story here and herman cain will look like a guy splitting hairs all the way along. >> john, quickly before we go. take us inside this wisconsin story about prosperity usa which is the scandal that could drag herman cain into court. >> yeah, let's be clear here. unless one of these women steps forward and actually tells a very powerful story, the likelihood is the biggest scandal facing herman cain at this point is not the sexual harassment one but the scandal

involving how he got into his presidential campaign. his campaign coordinator or chief of staff or campaign manager is a guy named mark black. he got thrown out of politics in wisconsin. fined $15,000 and banned from running campaigns about a decade ago coordinating or being accused of coordinating between a campaign and a group of wealthy donors that set up an independent group to help perpetuate that campaign. now we see accusations of something very similar. mark block accused of setting up a committee that actually then laid the groundwork perhaps illegally for herman cain's presidential campaign. >> the $100,000 that they moved to the congress of racial equality in order to get herman cain a speaking role here, this is a very big story that continues to mushroom. we have to pick it up again tomorrow night.

howard fineman and john nicholls, thank you for joining me tonight. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, rush limbaugh attacked tarey today on his radio seo for what he says her last night. that lands him in the rewrite first. first, meghan mccain on herman cain and her feud with newt gingrich and what's wrong with the republicans in 2012. citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. for the efficient absorption my body needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ when the things that you need ♪ ♪ come at just the right speed, that's logistics. ♪ ♪ medicine that can't wait legal briefs there by eight, ♪

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if we don't run chris christie, romney will be it. >> herman cain is now elm broimed in a sem yal harassment controversy. one republican columnist noted last month, we republicans keep having one-night stands with politicians we think we want to marry and then get cold feel. all of this excitement is followed by a quick fizz of disappointment when these candidates look flawed under the spotlight of the media incapable of pleasing the temperamental republican base.

it's like we're more concerned with the drama of a new prom king than concentrating on the best person positive beat obama is. joins any now is meghan mccain a whiter for the daily beast and the author of that column. >> thank you for having me. >>ing what go on with your republican friends in this weird, fickleness where they have these big bubbles in the polls for michele bachmann or trump early on and now we're in the cain bubble. >> i think mitt romney is the clear front-runner and has been for about two years, but he's not exactly the most exciting character on television and he doesn't have a lot of gravitas to him. it doesn't make excitement for the media. we have these one-night stands if you will. i think it's unfortunate for the election process and bad for the republican party and politics.

>> how much longer is her main cain's speed date going to last? >> we have entered the end of the date with herman cain. i think this is when the date is looking at the door ready to leave. >> this shows you what vetting is about. this is one of romney's strengths. the guy has been vetted and ran for president before and has been studied as a candidate by the media and other politics and by opposition candidacies in massachusetts and nationally and he's still standing. there's no big romney scandal out there, and that gives voters the feeling that nothing like that is likely to come up. >> yeah. i definitely think that the vetting process is also important to politics. i do have a problem with these sort of candidates that haven't really -- one of the problemsvy with her main cain is he hasn't

held office before, which i don't think it good for politics. that's part of his popularity. mitt romney will more than likely be the nominee for president. everybody has to deal with it as harsh as that sounds. >> you've been on team romney for a while. >> yes. i have a little bit of a bone to pick me. the last time you said tim pawlenty was going to be nominee and i said no. you were forright and thought he would take it home. >> because i really know the republican mob. i can get inside it. i was presuming that the republican party would be rational and they've showed themselves to be wildly irrational this year going with trump and bachmann and contain cain and all this stuff. my problem with romney getting the naum niece is what george will said why would he go to the author of individual health care

mandate in massachusetts when there was a big uprising against it? i was ending up in the pawlenty zone through the process of elimination, including what has been wrong with mitt romney by not just me but the republican electorate and george will. >> i think that's very short-sighted. i wonl take george wills' word on that. mitt romney has the experience in government and especially economics that i think most voterers can trust. when the time coming around when all this drama is done, once the america public con traits on him he'll lead in the polls and has a good chance to beat obama. i still believe that obama will be a one-term president, and that it's highly likely mitt romney will be the next president. >> i still think president obama is going to win re-election. what i agree with you at least is is that romney is now his biggest threat with the fizzle collapse of the perry candidacy, romney is definitely the one to worry about on the republican side. we have that agreement, megan. >> great, great. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> thank you. coming up, rush limbaugh tries to rewrite the meaning of

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been doing rights and wrong and what we've been neglecting and what we've been meaning to get to, where we should set our sights not just for the next four years but for the next generation and generations to come. you wouldn't know that if you listened to the speeches and debates of this presidential campaign which seems to turn whether a former restaurant lobbyist sexually harassed another restaurant lobbyist. *ájáú author of new book out today "the times of our lives." thanks for joining me tonight, tom. >> thank you, lawrence. it's good to be here. >> tom, are you surprised at the way the herman cain story has taken on a racial framework? there are those that are saying that the very coverage of these accusations against herman cain is somehow racist? >> i don't think i would use the word racist. i do think that it's symptomatic, if you will, the

times. a little something bubbles up, and because the screen is so wide these days and has so many parts to it it's a tsunami of coverage if you're a viewer out there looking at it. sexual harassment charges are always tricky and difficult. we don't know the details of this one. he has given several versions of not exactly what happened, i suppose, but the arrangement made between the accusers and the restaurant association. was it simply a matter of he said or she said or was it much more egregious than that. i would think he would be eager to get the details out as quickly as possible if he's as innocent as he described in all of this. >> tom, one of the first to drag race into this coverage loudly was rush limbaugh yesterday on his radio show, and i found rush limbaugh in your book in a surprising entry where you write, the rush limbaugh took to

the air waves to declare me a self-hating liberal. with much of what rush says, he can never figure out what he means. did you have any idea what he meant by that? >> no. i think he used that on a couple of occasions, i've said that race helped define my journalistic career in my own life because i was so conscious of the fact in south dakota although we had a business race issue with the indian population enough, we weren't conscious enough about it when i was living there at the time. i said that i wouldn't have got my first job in omaha or second job? atlanta or hired by the network in my skin pigmentation has been one shade darker. when i said that, rush described me on the air as a self-hating liberal.

i say in the book -- i say that rush of all people should know that people like us who make a very good living talking about ourselves cannot be self-hating. we think we're grand, in fact. i count him chief among those. he at least is an original. there are many wanna-be rushes out there that are looking for any opening and any opportunity. >> and your book is about how do we move forward as a country, and you talk about how polarized we've become, more so than you've seen in the past. i want to follow up with one more quote from the book about rush because he represents one side of the polarization in the country. you say he earned his fortune creating an enormous audience of the faithful or ditto heads as they like to be called, they worship at the altar of limbaugh's appreciating never questioning his researching. do you feel there's that

partisan absolutely never questioning one's assumptions in today's politics? there is a less possibility of hearing something that might change your mind from the other side? >> yeah. i think it's true across the board, lawrence. i think rush, as i say, was at least an original. he was there first, and h dade it clear about who he was. i remember four years ago or maybe it was eight years ago he was questioning the conservative credentials of dick cheney. i was driving down the florida turnpike listening to rush limbaugh talk about whether or not dick cheney was a true conservative. he obviously is a very powerful voice in the american political culture, and we have no question about where he stands. as i say, there are a lot of rush wanna-bes and across the political spectrum on the left, you find a lot of people who don't want to hear any ideas if

they possible come from right of center in some fashion. >> tom, ray lahood created a bit of a stir today. he's working in the obama administration, the transportation secretary, and he said today i've been in washington for 35 years and i've never seen a time when people put their own political feelings over how to get the economy moving. from your book i sense you share ray lahood's view of how polarized the political process has become in washington. >> it has. i suppose it's summarized from me and i relate this antidote in the book. i was there a couple years ago in washington. i'm there on a regular basis. i was in capitol hill, and two bright young men -- you would know the type, lawrence. they came in with blue suits and red ties and bushy tailed and thrilled to be working on the hill. he said mr. brokaw, i'd like to talk to you about the old days.

i think he meant 1996 by the way. he said, i'm a republican. my buddy is a democrat. he's my best friend and we go to georgetown every night and argue politics. our bosses won't talk to each other. was it always like that? i called over winston lord who was a member of the nixon administration. we described for them how they were very strong feelings on both sides of the equation about the war, about watergate, domestic policy, but at the end of the day, political figures as you well know would find a way to have a drink or to talk to each other or wander across the aisle to work through all of this. so much of that has been lost. as i go across the country, i'm many main street america a lot as you know, that's what i hear most of all. why can't these two political parties get together. if you go to main street america youed find the republican banker

working with the democratic contractor or the guy with the back hoe or the farmer to get a loan from the bank. he may have different political views or the woman that owns the grocery store or convenience store down the street. they have to work together in these communities to keep moving their families and their communities along the path towards a greater prosperity and stability and find a way to do it. they don't understand why that doesn't happen in washington. >> before you go i have to ask about the presidential debates am you've moderated presidential debates and primaries in general election. is there something that the moderator can do in a presidential debate to try to keep the focus on the future on where the country has to go, or are you kind of just trapped with the talent you have up there as candidates. if they're going to stay on

their talking points and bumper sticker stuff, there's nothing much the moderator can do? >> it's very tough. the presidential commission on debates is out today with a schedule for next year. last time i did the so-called town hall, i made it clear if i felt that there was a follow-up needed that i would ask the question that didn't make some members of the commission very happy at the end of the evening. there were a lot of issues hanging in the air that needed to be cleaned up. i also discovered during the course of that experience if you go to the internet and ask for questions, you get a lot of special interest groups that just bundle their special interest questions in a way. so i know that the commission right now is working on new forms of getting greater participation and cleaning up some of that. unfortunately, the two campaigns make the rules and go to the commission with them. in my case when i was doing the debate, they had very strict rules about timing and then immediately blew through all

those rules while the rest of the room was expected to toll whatever agreements had been made. >> the book is "the time of our lives." thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. always a pleasure. tonight in the rewrite, rush limbaugh tries to rewrite the meaning of the word "racist." hollywood has a new star taking over the town tonight. the editor of the hollywood reporters joins me to tell us how elizabeth warren has won hollywood's heart. l e to play t. as a matter of fact it was joy who taught me how to play tennis. and with it comes some aches and pains and one way to relieve them all is to go right to the advil®. i have become increasingly amazed at regis's endurance. it's scary sometimes what he accomplishes in a day. well i'd rather not have time for pain but unfortunately it does comes your way every now and then. and that's when i take my advil®. [ male announcer ] take action. take advil®. and that's when i take my advil®. or creates another laptop bag or hires another employee, it's not just good for business. it's good for the entire community. at bank of america, we know the impact that local businesses have on communities. that's why we extended $7.8 billion to small businesses across the country

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to mean anybody who puts a difficult question to a black conservative presidential candidate who used to be a washington lobbyist. ann coulter staked out a position to the herman cain sexual harassment controversy that she couldn't find support for on fox news. >> so you say that politico would not have written this story if herman cain were white? >> no. >> that's the most lied krus thing i've heard in my life, ann, seriously? >> okay. try telling this guy that the washington press corps would not go after a white man in a sex scandal? rush limbaugh's spirited nonfactual defense of herman cain today included this. >> this is back from the "time" magazine contributor that works at msnbc toray about the rep primary and herman cain. lawrence o'donnell said, there's this blender of republican racial politics that got mixed up together. guide us through this.

>> one thing i saw rush limbaugh talking about we see who the real racists are, is when we point out moments of racism or moments of herman cain's example, they fire back and use the word racism. it's this negating tool that we'll just say racism wherever we see any racial politics taking place. we'll say the race card is being played anytime a moment of race echl is pointed out, and that muddles the conversation to a locality of people are like, i don't want to be part of this at all. >> he cut what he said to say right there, but he had a lot more to say. >> i think that cain interestingly does not exist without obama preceding him.

he's a constitutional law professor that you had to take seriously when he spoke. cain sort of reasserts the scales that the people want it to be a in a lot of ways. he's charismatic and he's lightweight and his ideas aren't thought out. there's this constant aspect thae keeps bringing up. this is not something we're making up out of whole cloth. he says he wants the secret service to call him corn bread and he's says schucky ducky and yet cain allows the gop to have this sort of force where it's like we're not racist. we're supporting this black man, at the same time he reasserts this myth of self-ab nye gags and you don't have to take us seriously that obama threw completely out of whack because you had to take him dead

seriously. >> now here's rush's interpretation of what he said. >> what he was trying to say is they are stealing our technique. they're stealing our technique, and they're muddying the waters by using our neek. we have exclusive right to the race card. we are the ones who get to decide who is racist and who isn't. when guys like limbaugh call us racists, that muddies the water. we own it. we own who is a racist and who isn't. limbaugh can't do that. limbaugh and these others come along and say we're being racist. we own that ploy. >> we own that ploy. rush is telling you that his calling people racists simply because they question herman cain is a ploy, that's his word ploy. rush is admitting that he's using the word racist as a pdox, which is exactly who he said rush was doing. rush explained the reason he likes to call nonracists racists. he has a very clear reason for

using that ploy. >> for 23 years i'm a racist. and i'm not. never have been. you guys are. we say it. you don't like it. that's exactly it. >> there you have it. rush's defense of being called a racist for 23 years is not to use some of his three hours of radio every day to clarify some of the things he has said over those 23 years that some have interpreted as racist. no, no, no. instead of taking the time to do that, rush's reaction to being called a racist is nothing but the infantile i know you are, but what am i? in a country with a long,

painful and ugly history of slavery and a history of racial discrimination including legally enforced segregation that existed during rush limbaugh's lifetime, you would think that rush limbaugh could comprehend why some of the things he has said over the years might offend the racial sensibilities of some reasonable people. rush limbaugh can remember black children being killed in their churches by the ku klux klan heney, andrew etime.çes goodman and and miael was killed by the ku klux klan because they were trying to help black people vote in mississippi. they are part of his life experience from which as far as we can tell he has learned absolutely nothing.

nothing. in martin luther king jr.'s "i have a dream" speech and nothing rush limbaugh felt as a result of hearing the horrifying news of the assassination of martin luther king has inhikted rush's impulses to say things like this. >> minorities never do anything for which they have to apologize. we've elected somebody for african in his roots than american. loves his father, who was a marxist. we're being told we have to hope he succeeds and bend over backward, forward, whichever because his father was black. because this is the first black president. in obama's america white kids get beat up with the black kids cheering right on. he's going to take from the rich. he's going to take it and give it to you. this can't happen overnight.

be patient. redistribution of wealth, repatriations, returning the wealth to rightful owners is repatriations. >> repatriations. president obama has not been able to raise a single tax rate. bill clinton raised taxes. in fact, he pushed through congress and signed into law in his first year as president the single biggest tax increase in hirdory, and you, rush limbaugh, never called that repatriations. why not, rush? why do you use the word "repatriations" with president obama? why? we didn't have time today to go over rush's 23 years of radio transcripts. we only have a sampling of the obama years, including this. >> it is these whackos from bill ayers to jeremiah wright to

other black liberation they'll gists working with a.c.o.r.n. and barack obama smack-dab in the middle of it. they have been training young black kids to hate, hate, hate this country. and they trained their parents before that to hate, hate, hate this country. >> rush limbaugh knows that's a lie. he knows barack obama has never trained anyone to hate in this country. rush limbaugh knows that young black kids have never had a better national role model than barack obama the student, barack obama the law professor, barack obama the senator, barack obama the president and barack obama the husband and father. rush knows the truth about barack obama, but he can't make money on that truth. rush is all about the money.

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hollywood has a new it girl. actresses are not yet copying the elizabeth warren hairstyle, but hollywood has fallen for her big-time. tonight legendary tv writer norman leer is hosting a fund-raiser dinner for elizabeth warren at his he state in los angeles which will be co-hosted by barbra streisand. joining me now is janice men.

thank you very much for joining us. so they're pouring into norman's pad tonight for elizabeth warren. hollywood always needs excitement and they want a candidate to be excited about. they are out of their obama honeymoon. they're supporting him and are strong for him, but it's not as exciting as elizabeth warren, is it? >> elizabeth warren who is someone that speaks what they want a candidate to say. she's very anti-wall street and have populist, and hollywood is desperate for someone that's a good communicator. obama got hired and everyone thought he was such a great speaker and communicator, but he can't sell the democratic message to the public the way that hollywood wants them to. so they found in elizabeth warren someone they think can communicate a clear message to the public in the way that they've always been jealous of carl rove and the republicans.

this is someone that can break through all the talk and actually speak like a human being. >> is this, to your knowledge, her first invasion of hollywood for aid fund-raiser? >> she's been there tomorrow. this is the big coming-out party. this is her ball in hollywood so to speak. >> norman has a big house. >> let's remember, she's not like a national candidate. it doesn't matter if holewood is giving her money. people in massachusetts don't care about that in the way that people in the rest of the country would care. she has raced $3.5 million and scott brown has $12 million. she has a long ways to go. i think of hollywood as wall street west. they make crazy money doing silly things, and they want power. they want access to power, and they're looking for candidates to spend money on. >> the interesting thing about hollywood money is they're not

asking for anything. they don't then go to the government and say, hey, we need these new banking regulations and so forth. they just are pouring their money. >> they get abused. obama treated them like the embarrassing girlfriend he doesn't want to admit he's dating. he hides and won't let photos of people of -- with hollywood people be shown. he's very secretive about it. >> some candidates think they look frivolous if i'm seen too many with -- >> that's why harold ford ran in tennessee got destroyed by being a hollywood party boy. >> that's the home of matt damon and ben affleck, and massachusetts gets it. it's very compatible to hollywood.