with time. we'll see how the morning goes on "morning joe." @sarahbeaniebell. infant daughter right back to sleep. do you do diapers too? well, you're being smart there, but i do do diapers, i do them in the dark and one hand, any which way you want me to do them. i've got a 2-year-old. "morning joe" starts right now. this is so horrific on the level of a parent, i think about my children. if that was my child. and i think my automatic reaction would be -- even though i'm a small woman, i'd want to go find that guy and beat him to a pulp. >> yeah. i think a lot of people feel like that. good morning, it's monday. november 14th. with us onset in washington, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay.

also michael steele, and the congressional correspondent for the "national journal" and moderator of saturday night's gop debate. he was the one that threw the smoke bomb in the middle. and with us in new york, willie geist. willie, i told you. vanderbi vanderbilt commodores had a good night. katty, tell everyone. this is a national holiday. for britain, i think for most countries in the european union. >> how is it that the u.s. didn't get the message? >> katty kay's 29th birthday. >> 28. >> sorry. i'm sorry. >> joe. >> berlusconi resigned this weekend because he didn't want to step on the eu holiday for katty kay's birthday. we thank him for that. >> well at 28 years old, even

katty's a little too old for silvio, i think. >> at least by 10 or 11 years. >> what did i tell you about vandy? >> your boys are sitting pretty at number three waiting for lsu or oklahoma state to lose in the next couple of weeks. >> stanford loses, boise state loses again. >> yeah. >> we've got a rematch. >> it could happen. >> and if we can just hit a double in the eighth inning, we'd probably win 4-3. what an exciting national championship game. we'll talk about that in sports. also andrew -- anyway. we've got a star here. >> yeah. >> we've got a star here. we've got a guy that actually preempted my watching of alabama crimson tide and that never happens. so major, you and scott peli moderating this debate. and i'll ask you, what were your impressions? >> well, the first thing we

tried to do at the debate was, a, cover a lot of ground and require the candidates not to rekite whatever talking points they brought on stage, which is their right and privilege, but to force them to think about issues as they're likely to confront them if they -- >> what was the news? what did you think the news out of that was? if you had to pick one or two answers? >> well, debates often give you impressions of where candidates are. and if you look at herman cain's lack of comfortability. he simply isn't prepared and wasn't prepared even though he said he'd been waiting for this debate for nine months, he would be the tiger in the grass, stun the world with his insight. i don't think he met his own standard. forget mine. he set a standard, okay. secondarily -- >> and let me stop you there because it's a very important point you make here. and i think one of the -- and i've got to say, this is where twitter is at its best because this is where you see instantaneously while this is going on, michael steele, you're

seeing responses from the left, the right, mainstream media. and we'll bring his name up again, erick erickson half way through this debate said this was an absolute disaster for herman cain. >> it was. >> it didn't have to be. but this is -- this at the end of the day may move conservatives away from cain even more than the scandals. >> i think that's true. and i think a lot of people had this expectation that there's just a lot of hype about his inability to perform particularly on this subject. so here you are. you've got the venue, the questions that are straightforward. and even -- right the first question out of the box, it was a very lame answer. and people kind of got the sense, this is not going to go the way it should go. because it didn't really answer the question. >> and major, we'll get to your second one in a second. i want to get katty in here for a moment. voters can read through i'll bring the best advisers on after

the third or fourth time you say. i'll surround myself with good people. that's great. what are you going to tell those good people to do? >> you have to have some sort of policy platform. and these are the major issues. there were no gotcha questions that came up on saturday night. and they have, what, a minute to answer. he couldn't even fill a minute. it was painful to watch. >> it reminds me of george w. bush in the first debate and saturday night live back in 2002. and then he had nothing to say. it's hard. let's get to the second point. an emerging leader in the gop field. >> another thing i took away from the debate. we had a complicated debate about a complicated topic. pakistan. is it a friend, is it a foe? should we continue aid to pakistan? how do you deal with loose nukes? and we tried to illuminate that issue and have people disagree publicly about that.

you really have to think through all of the ramifications of a zero aid policy or we're going to do whatever we want in pakistan, and we got a little bit of both. what surprised me in realtime, and i can't tell you how difficult it is to cope with something that surprises you in realtime because you think you know or have a sense of what everyone's going to come down with this is this zero-based budgeting idea on foreign policy. >> let's explain that. at one point, willie geist. you like me were watching the debate because we were iming each other nonstop through it. >> yeah. is that what they call it? >> so anyway -- >> that's what they called it a few years ago. >> okay. so we were faze timing. rick perry decides he's going to zero out foreign aid and newt gingrich follows him into the fray. we're going to zero out foreign aid. and other people talking about, the hell with pakistan, they're

not good neighbors. and you're sitting there going, what planet are these guys on. yeah, they're not great neighbors, they've got nukes, and there are radicals there that want to give them to al qaeda -- just turning our backs on that part of the world was not an option. i was surprised at rick santorum basically lecturing the rest of the group saying, guys, whether you like it or not, we've got to stay engaged in pakistan because it's the most dangerous country on the planet. >> he took over and explained that to them. and also interesting, on iran, listening to newt gingrich and mitt romney talk about engagement in terms of iran. they called president obama to the carpet saying he's been too soft on that country and saying, listen, all things on the table including the threat of military action. >> and ramping up covert operations. >> it sounded like at one point, newt, when asking about

afghanistan said you have to keep everything on the table regarding iran and pakistan. it certainly suggested that invasions of those two countries were an option, which was one of the more frightening moments of the night for me. >> there was a dimension, a dimension on iran i found news making. and it's news. and people can evaluate that and judge how comforting or discomforting that is. but it was a clear dynamic. and what we tried to do with the questions about iran was not just allow them to say well i oppose obtaining a nuclear we. of course you do. >> what are you going to do about it? >> of course you do. what is it you're going to do? what lines are you willing to cross? what threshold or moving in that direction is sufficient for you to engage in. >> let's listen right now to mitt romney talking about how he can do something that george w. bush said he couldn't do. that is completely stop iran from getting nuclear wes.

>> the president should've built a credible threat of military action and made it very clear that the united states of america is willing in the final analysis, if necessary, to take military action to keep iran from having a nuclear weapon. one thing you can nknow, if we elect mitt romney, as the next president, they will not have a nuclear weapon. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry -- >> i'm telling you -- >> that's laughable. that's laughable. and i say that because there were some real hawks, katty kay, in george w. bush's administration, and about seven years in, they understood that that line in the sand was going to be crossed. and there wasn't a lot they could do. >> i was sort of disappointed with mitt romney for saying that. i expected him to have a more sophisticated understanding of all of the parts that come into with trying to stop iran. for example, what's he going to do with russia? how exactly is he going to propose bringing russia on

board? that's what it's going to take if you want -- >> between romney and huntsman, and romney does his whole anti-china thing and i'm going to take them to the wto, and a lot of people didn't pick it up, but huntsman was kind of like, well, listen, you know, mitt -- nothing personal, but you can't actually take them to the wto for currency issues. >> and the last thing we want is a trade war with china. >> and it showed again, mitt is willing to dumb it down, michael steele, and say things that are silly that have no connection with -- with geopolitical realities to get a couple of applause lines. >> playing to the lowest common. so you figure you come out swinging and you get the crowd behind you.

but i think katty's got it right. the geopolitical realities are, it's not just iran, it's russia, you know, it's not just our currency, it's china, all these pieces that you've got to take totality, you know, what they were trying to get to. >> we've tripled the number of troops in afghanistan. we're still in iraq. we'll see if we get in iraq by the end of the year. our forces are stretched more. five, six, seven deployments, and you're going to invade iran? >> i thought ron paul got a lot of applause for saying -- and jon huntsman on how to bring the troops home. that was a very anti-war audience. >> we're looking, major, at some polls here that i suspect might give some people pause. who would best handle an international crisis? and i guess you have to define best as an all-out warfare. newt gingrich gets 31%, mitt

romney 19%, rick perry 9%, and herman cain 8%. >> i think that reflects a sense people have who can converse and talk about these issues in an engaged way, intelligent way, historical way, and newt gingrich generally meets that across all spectrums. i was surprised, though, and i brought up the history that the speaker and i have. he was speaker when foreign aid budgets were there and raised. one of the first crises the new republican majority had to deal with and was not happy with was intervening on the mexican peso. >> and you brought it up. newt gingrich was the guy that dragged conservatives to pass the mexico bailout. it was all newt gingrich. it was newt gingrich. we didn't want america to get engaged in bosnia, newt gingrich shoved that down our throats. we didn't want to get engaged in kosovo, he's the one that broke boehner's arms and everyone

else's arm -- newt gingrich, one more example of how newt will say whatever it takes at the moment to get an applause line. and by the way, this is not my opinion. this is, as you say, documented fact. go back and see what this man did when he was speaker of the house from '95 to '98. he was the internationalist's internationalist. so for him to talk about zeroing out budget, it's a joke, it's laughable. and it doesn't stand up. >> and it has nothing to do with what he did as the most public figure and the leader of the republican party as speaker. nothing to do with that record he established. >> we were very surprised that we get up there and we're going to balance the budgets and we're going to end all of these foreign entanglements. and he comes to us and says, we need to bail out mexico. it wasn't about bailing out mexico, it was about bailing out goldman sachs. the more things change, the more things stay the same.

willie, we thought newt gingrich was going to have that surge. that it was his time. and looks like over the weekend that's happened. >> yeah, over the last week while everybody was worrying about rick perry's gaffe at the debate, newt gingrich was climbing up the polls. over the weekend where he stands, this is the poll, there's about 5.5%, newt gingrich within the margin of error with mitt romney. and a new cbs poll shows about the same thing with a group of three at the top. herman cain, mitt romney, and newt gingrich. so it appears now again a new name has cycled up toward the top. we've at cain, michele bauchmann at different points, rick perry to be the antiromney candidate to use the cliche at this point. >> newt is now at least for this week in the top tier along with cain and romney. but i'll tell you, michael steele, nbc news "wall street

journal," they redid their poll after the flub that saturday night live lampooned. and they've got an updated survey. mitt romney after that debate flub last week gained 5 percentage points and he's up to 32%. that's very big for the romney people. cain remains steady at 27%, and gingrich at 22%. the next person, ron paul at 9%. and you don't have rick perry anywhere there. this is -- it looks right now -- and it is still preseason. but at this stage in preseason as we get closer -- what are we six weeks away? >> six weeks. >> six weeks away from iowa. now a race between cain, gingri gingrich, and romney. >> i think you'll see the romney/newt numbers, newt's grow. i always thought romney was the tortoise in this race, and it

was actually newt gingrich. what newt did effectively in all of the debates. everyone's talking about how he went after the press. go back and look at the tapes. what he did was get the press on an issue, go after them, it grabbed the attention of the audience. they applauded it, then he'd make his point because he got their attention and they're listening. watching him educate the audience about what he knows and what he would do and you see it now reflected in the polls is a brilliant strategy. it's substantively strong. >> a lot of people asking about why donald trump was doing so well and why bauchmann's done so well, at least for a short time. why palin did so well, republicans want a fighter. as newt's showing, they don't care what you're fighting. they want to see a guy punching back. >> energy, articulateness, and a sense of purpose, and a sense of direction. all those things are close to the newt gingrich campaign. >> even if consistency's not.

>> now, remember, all of these national polls are meaningless. what we have to focus on specifically now getting close to iowa and new hampshire, what does the state poll numbers tell us? it's not clear what they tell us yet. same dynamics nationally, but we haven't seen it take root in new hampshire, iowa, south carolina. i can tell you this, last week, newt opened up five offices in south carolina. he's beginning to put together what you have to have on the ground to translate national numbers into state performance. he's also been, i was talking to several republican officials in south carolina, impressing them with his sophistication in social media, getting young republicans interested in what he's talking about. it's worth keeping an eye on, not just the debate performance, which is all we've had to measure. but if there's an internal ability to translate what appears to be a rise in the polls to something on the ground. if you can't, all this stuff doesn't matter. this is the next big stage for gingrich. >> you can also see just like you could see newt's rise

coming, you can see the next act, which is the media starting to pay a little closer attention to newt gingrich. and it is -- it is already -- >> there's a lot of history. >> newt has had a rich pageant of sorts. and i think we'll start hearing about that. >> and newt is somebody is whose filter doesn't always operate as well as it should be. and there'll be tons of tape we can draw up. and the potential for him to lose that filter completely over the next few weeks is always there. we know it's one of the issues he has. but one things i want to say, this is great for romney. the longer this field. the non-romney vote stays divided like this, this is perfect. this is perfect. >> absolutely. i don't think the newt baggage lands as heavy as most of the media thinks. i think a lot of that's been vetted with the voters and they're like, we've got that. unless something new slips through the filter, i think

he'll be all right on that front. >> it's fascinating. coming up next, politico's top stories of the morning. and a little bit later, rick santorum will be here. and i'm going to talk to him -- it was major. a fascinating answer on pakistan. also dee dee myers. but first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> good morning, joe. good start in most areas. it was warm in a lot of areas, windy in the midwest. we have one little travel concern today. thunderstorms have popped up overnight. we're mostly talking about areas there near indianapolis. and we zoom in a little closer out to the west of town as the northwest of 65 and 74. if you're traveling in the indianapolis area, be prepared for heavy downpours in the next hour or two. and already some rain showers in pittsburgh, you eithb even can a thunderstorm later today. the rain in new york city is later today, more or less toward this evening. these areas will remain dry for your morning commute and hopefully for the evening

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>> and what's the third one there. >> i'm barack obama, and i approve this message. >> okay. little easier. this year than in 2008. beautiful shot from the top of the rock. let's take a look at the morning papers. here's one from our parade of papers. it says governor rick perry's texas miracle may have landed a million jobs for the lone star state over the years, but now, more texans than ever, 3 1/2 million are living off of the federal food stamp program. >> the los angeles times says syria is losing its grip on alliance of arab nations. demanded that syria and the bloody eighth-month crackdown, they gave midweek to come around or facing a suspension of its membership. let's turn to politico now. jim vandehei, good morning. >> good morning, how are you doing? >> we're doing all right.

featuring on "politico" today the new george washington university battleground poll. walk us through some of them. >> right. we've teamed up with gw to do several of these polls. and we looked at the 2012 race and the super committee. how does the public view its work? what does it expect? not that many people are paying close attention to the super committee and not many people have very high hopes that thatky get anything done. and one of the reasons is you see in our poll is people don't want anything cut that they like. about 90% are worried about domestic spending cuts, about 80% are worried about defense spending cuts, obviously no one wants their own taxes to be raised. so you understand a little bit of the vice that members of congress feel in as they try to come up with more than $1 trillion cuts or tax increases in the next couple of weeks. >> is this a larger point, though, jim, about the way people view congress? i feel like if you ask anybody, will congress get something done?

whether it's congress at large or the super committee, they're going to say no. >> no, again, the approval ratings of congress are at an all-time low. people think it's a dysfunctional mess and have zero expectations of congress and probably would be happy if congress did absolutely nothing because they view almost everything congress does as something that they don't want congress to be doing. so it's not surprising they're pessimistic about the debt committee. and the truth is, the polls don't matter that much about e the -- about this panel. what matters is, can they actually get something done? because if they don't, there's a trigger mechanism if things don't get worked out this year or next year, you're going to have massive across the board cuts including the defense programs that will be very painful to a lot of members of congress in their district. >> so, jim, the washington post lead this morning is gloom on debt panel is growing. what are you hearing at "politico" about this process that, again, is fairly modest in

the cuts that they're reaching for if you look at the long-term debt crisis we're facing? >> extreme pessimism for a variety of reasons. people feel that the members got sort of talking about a compromise way too late in the process. and there's still a big difference between republicans and democrats on increasing revenue, whether it's through specific tax increases or getting -- or creating some other revenue raisers, and also the programs you're going to cut. are you going to touch medicare, social security, or are you going to leave it to nondefense discretionary spending? it's an obvious compromise. >> jim, you wonder what planet these people are living on. because as tom coburn said yesterday, talking about possibly, possibly getting $1 trillion in cuts over the next ten years. but as tom said, if they do that the second they pass that, they're going to have to figure out how to cut another $2 trillion, $3 trillion, $4 trillion. even if they came up with -- even if they hit the grand slam

and cut $4 trillion or lowered the debt by $4 trillion, that doesn't mean what it meant even five years ago. that means we'll be able to worry about it in a year or 18 months. >> well, what's even more crazy, we're not really talking about reducing year to year spending, you're just talking about the rate of increase of spending that we're going to have over that time period. so it really does nothing. it's why if you talk to tom coburn he'd say, no, you need about $9 trillion in cuts to have an appreciable effect on the budget. you need somewhere around $4 trillion. that's where there's a consensus among a lot of democrats and republicans if you shot them up with truth serum. you'd do that through a combination of some tax increases, mainly spending cuts. but there's no political will, no political power on either side to get anything approximating that done in this -- >> it's just like the polls, willie, that we showed two or three months ago where

subscribed -- when asked on whether they supported a reduction in spending and medicare, the one program that will do more to bankrupt us over the next ten years, 73% of them said no. >> what? >> what planet are we living on here? really, you're against government health care and yet the one program, willie, that again, this is math, not ideology, will bankrupt us over the next generation is the one that 73% of tea partiers say they don't want to touch. i think we're in trouble. >> everybody wants cuts, they don't want their own stuff cut i guess you could say. jim, 2012 match-up races, you guys have new polling on that. what are you looking at here? >> two interesting things. one, when we tested cain and we were in the field when the sexual allegations wither made, particularly the one on national tv. and his numbers each day after that went down. he was at a high of 40% the first day that we were polling down to about 19% by the time we got out of the field late in the

week. so there's no doubt there's been an affect on his numbers because of these allegations. he's still doing pretty well in this field. so that to me is the interesting thing on the republican side. on the democratic side, the president does okay in a generic match-up against republicans. what has to trouble him is we take a subset, the 19 states that actually matter, the true toss-ups in presidential races. and his approval rating is around 40% when you take out those most important states. and again, major was talking earlier in your program about the states that matter, the early ones. >> 40%, jim? his approval rating averages 40% in the post important states? >> right. >> oh, my lord. >> at most. he has to be able to win those swing states. you have to be able to separate that when you're looking at the national polls. it doesn't really matter what his top line number is across the country. it matters how is he doing in the states that are competitive? that's why they're nervous because in a lot of those states, his numbers don't look good in our poll and other

polls. >> willie, this is set up for the republicans to win. it reminds me of the vandy/arkansas game. you've got to work hard to lose it, right? >> and vandy found a way. >> i could say the alabama/lsu game. make this field goal and you win. can you believe how weak the president is in the most important states and yet the republicans can't touch him? >> 40% in those 19 states and also a lot of those states among independents, another source of concern for the obama campaign. jim vandehei, thanks so much. we appreciate it. coming up, tom brady carves up the defense. we'll have complete highlights when we come back. plus, we knew this was coming, snl puts its touch on the rick perry brain freeze. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪

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all right. week ten in the nfl. with us, sports analyst, mike florio. great to see you, mike. >> great to be here. >> packs, jets. let's go through some of the highlights here.

tom brady, the game was tight in the fourth quarter. brady hits branch there, mistakes by sanchez too. how big is this for both teams? on the one hand patriots, and the jets? >> brings the patriots to the forefront. and for the jets, this was their golden opportunity to win a division, get a home playoff game. he told the team, we want that playoff game. they've won four road playoff games between 2009 and 2010, if you can get some home playoff games, maybe you can get to the super bowl. but maybe they want to play on the road. >> they can't get over that hump. they've been fortunate to get as far as they did on the playoffs. do they have it this year, though? >> it looked like they did during the three-game winning streak, but then when you start believing in the ajets, it goes the other way. they lose the tie breaker, they were swept with seven games to go. with the patriots all of a sudden waking up, it's going to

be hard for the jets to catch them. >> how do those two match up in the top of the afc? >> well, everybody's forgetting about the team, that's houston, texas. they're waiting for their star receiver andre johnson to come back. they haven't had him for over a month. it seems like it changes every week, though, every time you're ready to crown an afc team, they do something that makes you scratch your head. very wide open, still, but the texans will be a team to watch down the stretch. >> joe? >> willie, isn't it amazing what's happening in the nfc east? the cowboys are rising, the eagles are falling, the giants are one week up, one week down, and what about the giants, the 49ers, the bills, the cowboys, eagles, cardinals, man, those were three games with real implications. >> yeah, and the giants/49ers game was a great game. 9ers, got a little separation. >> it shows how this team

operates under their first year head coach. this guy is essentially working with one hand tied behind his back. and they keep finding a way to win good teams, bad teams. that's the difference between his brother john in baltimore. jim harbach kinds a way to win. >> we were asking, everybody's asking, are the bills for real? what do you think, willie? are the bills for real? >> didn't look like it yesterday against the cowboys. >> they still got five wins out of nine games. but it started strong and just like a couple of years ago when they started 4-0, it's falling apart. and the cowboys are a team you can't rule out now. they still have two shots at the giants. they could end up jumping the giants by the time the nfc is over. >> the eagles, though, what a story. the self-described dream team at the beginning of the season falling apart. >> and that team allowed the

expectations to get too high. they didn't do anything to rein them in. there were so many signs to say this team was going to struggle. no one expected them to lose to the cardinals yesterday at home, especially with the backup quarterback leading the way for arizona. he was deactivated because he missed a meeting. fitzgerald had two touchdowns, that could have been a third one. the arizona cardinals have the same record as the philadelphia eagles, 3-6 through nine games each. >> willie, how is it tim tebow story going. what happened this week? >> he completes two passes. two passes in an nfl game and wins, mike. >> 55 runs -- >> he makes them count. >> eight passes. >> hold on a second. >> he threw the ball like a normal quarterback. he didn't do that catapult wind-up. if he becomes a good passer, the way he runs that rushing attack,

he could be a very dangerous quarterback. >> 1 out of 2. >> so willie, there's a new statistic now, the nfl's going to put it out there, wins per completion. and in that category, tim tebow is the most efficient passer in the history of the nfl. you look, this is a guy that won a game a few weeks back wherehee had 19 passing yards. and yesterday he wins with two completions. >> two completions. amazing. >> they're tailoring their office to tim tebow. the problem is, if and when he gets hurt, who's their backup? they're going to have to go back to something they haven't practiced for weeks. >> you also have to be able to throw in the nfl. can't complete two passes. >> come on, naysayer, willie. you know, it hurts me, because i have supported tim tebow from the second he strapped on that helmet for the gators. >> particularly at florida you

had a lot of respect. >> you remember, i was constantly talking about that speech he gave after the ole miss loss. i guarantee you guys, i was the one that they recommend they put that in stone, the ramblings of a 19-year-old kid. >> you're the guy who told me that five minutes with tim tebow will change your adult life. >> and guess what? one completion from tim tebow will win a game in the nfl. he's the magic man. he's blessed. >> thanks, buddy. >> great to be here as always. still ahead, sam stein, luke russert going to join joe in d.c. we'll be back with mika's must-read opinion pages. companies you're just a policy.

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hey, welcome back to "morning joe." since mika is in the south of france at least for the next 20 minutes, she should be here pretty soon. willie, we can do whatever we want to do. >> i like it. >> we've got a great one in the "new york times." let's talk about important things, and that is the bcs bowl. looks like alabama's number three. they're in a good place right now, right? >> yeah, they're in the third spot, oregon's number four, they beat stanford and they're in the postgame news conference making the case if lsu wins out why oregon should play lsu again and not alabama. >> i don't get that. alabama lost in overtime, oregon lost by about 20 moints. >> they would argue that alabama lost at home and oregon lost at lsu, the game was in dallas but a heavy lsu crowd. they're already politicking back and forth. >> it wasn't even close. >> it wasn't that bad. 15 points.

>> oklahoma will have an interesting argument. if oklahoma wins out, they can say we beat the number two team. >> they also got blown out by texas tech. you know what would be great? if we actually played so we don't have theorys and speculate. you could have teams in a bracket type format that i've seen used elsewhere before and they would play each other and the winner would move to another -- >> this is strange. >> it would be amazing, wouldn't it? >> i'm just a simple caveman lawyer, but this sort of playoff system, i've never heard that before in any sport, major. >> an ail generlien concept. no sport does that. >> there's no analog for that in college sports. there's no bracket -- >> no brackets. >> if you have the top four. you know, come on, seriously. one play four, two play three. >> it's incomprehensible. what is wrong?

>> so if mika were here, she would be kicking me under the table. katty can't reach, so she's about to slap me. >> guess what it's time for she says? a gop debate. this over the week. she writes newt gingrich explained very clearly that freddie mac gave him the $300,000 for his "advice as a historian." this is fantastic and important news writes gayle. a great many college students are trying to decide on a course of study. many are wondering if they should pick something more lucrative. not to worry college students, look at newt, $300,000 for advising. and it appeared to involve only about an hour of his time. if given a choice between mba in finance or an m.a. in immedia i in studies, you know where to go.

>> republicans aren't big fans of freddie mac. and newt's going to have to explain why he got paid $300,000 to lobby for an entity that a lot of conservatives consider to be one of the great causes of our financial collapse. >> yeah, but as newt said in the last debate, he gave them advice, and they didn't take it. i think that'll be his argument and he'll stick to it. >> but he still -- >> come on. >> look, that's what the market would bear. >> everybody -- what the market would bear, but everybody in washington, d.c. understood -- >> look -- >> what freddie and fannie were going on. >> folks, remember what you wish for and you ask for bipartisan consensus. sometimes it's ruinous, and there was a bipartisan consensus, home ownership was not only the definition of the american dream, but long-running economic vitality. we created a bubble in this country. it's not just the community investment act, it's the end of

glass/stigel. the securitization and monetization of mortgages that brought us to where we are now. >> $300,000 from freddie is probably not going to help him out -- >> i wonder what it was in his medieval studies that was relevant? >> no doubt about it. hey, willie, let's read the "new york times" "the devil and joe paterno." >> this is from sunday's "new york times." the catholic priests believe in their church, in their mission, and out of the temptation that comes only to the virtuous, they persuaded themselves that protecting the institution's various good works mattered more than the justice for the children they were supposed to shepherd and protect. sins committed in the name of a higher god can smell and look like lilies but they flank a coffin lying dead and stiff inside the box is natural

justice. no higher cause can trump that allegation, not a jump and not a football program and not a lifetime of heroism can make up for leaving a single child alone abandoned to evil weeping in the dark. >> so many americans over the weekend talked about this. i know they did. we heard it. we talked about it at our dinner table. and the conclusion is by more and more people the longer this goes, that assistant coach that saw the 10-year-old boy being raped in the shower is going to have as much to explain as just about anybody for his silence. over seven, eight, nine years. this story gets more shocking by the minute. >> you're talking about mike mcqueary, the assistant coach who according to the grand jury testimony that was given said he saw in 2002 a young boy being raped in the shower by jerry sandusky, went and told his father who advised him to tell coach paterno. he sent it up the ladder of the athletic director.

it never made it at any step along the way to the police where it should have gone. and he will have to live with that and explain for it in court. >> and now sandusky's out of jail -- >> yeah. >> and a judge granted bail that we find out was actually volunteer for his foundation. but she didn't tell anybody -- didn't bother to tell anybody that when she took the case. >> she was a volunteer at his second mile foundation, got him out on $100,000 bail. $500,000 is what most people wanted. he's out for now. perhaps a conflict of interest there, but he's going to get his day. >> i think it'd be much safer for him inside a prison, perhaps. but anyway. we'll be right back with willie's news you can't use and a saturday night live take on rick perry. let's go to vegas. alright, let's do it.

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oh, yes. i think it's time. >> wow. >> is it time, willie. >> mika's here. that's one way to wake up. >> well, the show started, right? >> just now. >> i'm here for katty's birthday. >> let's show this rick perry, saturday night, how do you lampoon something that lampooned itself. last week at the debate rick perry struggled to come up with the third department he'd get rid of. saturday night bill hader and snl took their crack. >> i know i've had trouble in the past debates, but tonight i'm feeling good, i think i'm

really going to nail it. texas high five. there are three, three agencies i'd cut immediately. commerce, education, and -- i guess it got away from me. oops. >> but seriously, governor, what is the third department you'd cut? >> come on, man, i said oops. >> epa? >> yeah, there it is, epa. thanks, ron. how cool is little ronnie paul here? with his little birdie arms. epa, thank you. >> is it really the epa? >> no, sir, no, sir. >> look, maria, can we just move on? i want to be president, but not like this. >> i don't need your help, mitt. ooh, it is hot. get out of this jacket real quick.

i can't say stuff good. the words, they don't talk right. >> come here. come here. come here. it's okay. it's all right. >> i'm not going to be president, am i? >> no, no you're not. >> i want to be president, but not like this. >> oh. >> what a great line. >> wow. >> that might be the take away from the rick perry meltdown in michigan. we'll be right back with sam stein and luke russert. ♪

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my hope is that over the next several days the congressional leadership on the super committee go ahead and bite the bullet and do what needs to be done. because the math won't change. there's no magic formula, there's no magic beans you can toss in the ground and suddenly a bunch of money grows on trees. we've got to just go ahead and do the responsible thing. >> well, there it goes. my magic beans money tree. well, that was my plan. >> did you have a magic beans money tree? >> well, no, i had a three-part plan to balance the budget and that was number two. magic beans and money tree. then the president undercuts it. and this is getting serious.

>> it is. for a lot of reasons. >> this is getting serious. >> at lot of people don't know about the super committee. >> guess whose birthday it is today. >> well, it was katty kay's. now guess who it is in the 7:00 hour? >> valerie's. >> as a present to valerie, i was going to get duct tape and put it over my mouth. valerie, you would be giving to the world. as she does every day. i have some of my mom's homemade potato soup to her and i'm going to bring it over. it hope it gets through security. >> did you see that debate saturday night? >> i watched it with my mom and dad. >> i just saw 5 1/2 million people saw it. >> really? okay. i didn't see the numbers. >> not as many as saw "ncis." but the affiliates broke away after the hour. >> some of them in south

carolina, i don't know about all of them. that was surprising, here in d.c., the heartland of politics where every single -- i believe the ratings should be higher -- went to "ncis" repeat, which means i went over -- >> he got pounded, didn't he? >> he did. >> and in the debate, hard to say. what was your take away from the debate? >> well, that the aclu runs the cia, representative bauchmann. >> that's news to the agency. >> really the take away from it i think what you saw was fighting about issues on the foreign policy realm that americans don't necessarily care about. i also thought it was interesting that herman cain contradicted himself on the answer of torture -- the subject of torture within that one answer. but also the fact of the matter is that no matter how you spin this, president obama, i think the killing of osama bin laden, the fact that the polling of removing troops from iraq has been over 70%.

he's on pretty stable ground there. and the economy, not so much. >> michael steele, the take away if you looked at what some of the conservative people were talking about, erick erickson blogging, the big loser of the night, herman cain. would you agree? >> i would. i would. >> he was in over his head, wasn't he? >> it was the first question out of the box. the first thing i wrote down was clue. the problem is, you cannot answer foreign policy answers with a sound bite. you cannot say, for example, repeatedly as he said, you know, i would go to my advisers and my advisers would tell me. and the trip up question was, okay, your advisers tell you, what decision do you make? and you can't run foreign policy that way. and i think that was glaring. and i think to luke's point, the debate overall on these issues back and forth, a lot of folks aren't focused on it. it was an important debate to have. but the country's focused on numbers. >> bush said i might not be very well versed in foreign policy

issues, but -- you have to name your guys, but that doesn't work very well after a lot of folks -- >> i'm curious what you two would think about this. the gop set is a little bit more divided on foreign policy. they were substantive disagreements on the stage. i thought that was kind of healthy. >> the fascinating thing about where these republican candidates are and where the republican base is, the fascinating thing is that you go out, michael i'm sure will tell you the same thing. and again, we've given 300 to 400 speeches the past couple of years. they're all asking the same question we're asking. why did we spend $2 billion in afghanistan -- >> now you see huntsman's there, even romney, i thought that was an interesting answer. romney was saying i don't want the troop drawdown -- for romney to say that i thought was

actually kind of -- >> huntsman was unequivocal. >> unequivocal, yeah. >> do we have the clip from huntsman. >> an answer on afghanistan, which i think was the first answer and strongest one. >> why don't we play it? >> huntsman on afghanistan. >> i take a different approach on afghanistan. i say it's time to come home. i say this -- i say this nation has achieved its key objectives in afghanistan. we've had free elections in 2004. we've uprooted the taliban, we've dismantled al qaeda, we have killed osama bin laden. i say this nation's future is not afghanistan. this nation's future is not iraq. this nation's future is how prepared we are to meet the 21st century competitive challenges. that's economic and that's education. >> boy. >> so -- >> that is -- what an amazing. i will just say, that's a great

answer that fits with what rock solid main street republicans have been telling us for a couple of years. >> that's what i want to know, michael steele. because after the debate my father said well, he's the only one on that stage that doesn't pander. and certainly i like that answer, but i'm not the answer he's going for. >> not even close. michael? >> no, i don't think so. >> so where does it stand in terms of the base? in terms of the audience he's hoping to -- >> i think the broader base is as joe noted is lined up with huntsman on that point when it comes to afghanistan. i know a got in trouble for speaking truth about afghanistan because it reflected where the base really is on the subject. you do have, though, louder voices that hue to the bush doctrine, the neo cons, the billy crystals of the world who think we blow it up first and ask questions later. that is not where the country -- >> are we calling -- >> what's that?

>> i said are we calling bill crystal billy crystal now? bill crystal running the oscars this year. >> no, seriously, on capitol hill, we've talked to republican senators who will tell us, luke. and i'm sure if you talk to this about them, senators who say, you know what? we listen to what you guys are saying on the show, we're hearing the same thing where we are, and we want to get out of afghanistan, but john mccain and lindsey graham and joe liberman take up so much space on this issue that if we step out, we get hammered. >> correct. and they have used the argument that pulling out is showing weakness that it'll undermine american security, and they did it quite well for many years. what i find interesting, though, on capitol hill is if you talk to members of congress that actually have constituents throughout here fighting in these wars, they will tell you that the human toll now has taken such a terrible turn, and it keeps affecting individuals in the sense that they don't see

what is the larger purpose for afghanistan. but on top of that, it's this idea of what exactly -- who exactly is fighting this war? and joe manchin, the senator from west virginia has taken the ground out of this is a rich man's war, but a poor man's fight. it's folks in washington with all of these grand ideas about how we're going to reconstruct a democracy or we're going to save ourselves from terrorism or all sorts of grand ideas and he takes it to the people with retail politics and say, why are we fighting this? what's going to happen in west virginia. >> sam stein, a decade longer maybe? five years longer in afghanistan when we already have people doing four, five, six, seven deployments. that has never happened. >> well, i would say -- and this gets to your point. the turning point, i think, was when you sort of melded the fiscal conservatives with the people who are skeptical and inherently of going over to afghanistan. and when you started asking the question, why are we spending this much money?

it's trillions of dollars, we are having a dire fiscal situation at home. what exactly is the purpose? and so now you have a very popular sort of grass roots movement that's with a more traditional republican foreign policy. and i think, you know, the libermans, mccains of the world are -- and you see that going back to the super committee with the defense cuts. people are talking about defense now. >> so let's look at how the polls went down given the debates. and i do want to, and i don't care if people don't know about it, they should. i want to talk about the super committee. >> and the tomato soup for valerie. >> it's very good, it's her best. as newt gingrich gained support, new polls seemed to indicate that the field is narrowing to a three-man race. the latest poll shows former massachusetts governor mitt romney topping the list followed by newt gingrich and herman cain in third. just six points behind romney. i don't get it. >> keep going.

keep going. read the news. >> i don't understand it. >> you're not the audience, mika. >> i know i'm not. >> you're not a republican primary voter. keep going. >> and a new cbs news poll shows the same three contenders in a statistical tie for first place with herman cain slightly ahead of romney and gingrich. and after rick perry's flub at the republican debate on wednesday night, the texas governor has seen his support plummet. according to a recontact of republicans surveyed in this month's "wall street journal" poll. in the updated survey, mitt romney gains 5%, topping the list with 32%, herman cain remains steady at 27%, and newt gingrich gains nine points now at 22%. rick perry drops four points to only 4%. >> keep that up for a second. michael steele, when you look at these polls coming out, the "wall street journal" retaking of a poll, looks like you've got a three-man horse race. >> you do.

you really do and i think the cain number's going to drop a little bit. what's happening, i think, you're getting to the point where the voters are focusing in. everything up until now is like sitting on the porch and vacation, beach time. polls begin to matter more. particularly once you cross thanksgiving. because then you're four weeks out from the first vote in iowa on january 3rd. so voters begin to narrow it down. they're focusing more, and i think you're going to see gingrich and romney run this thing right up to -- >> sam stein as chuck todd reported last week, and other reporters in washington are hearing it, the romney people love this idea of pushing newt. >> yeah. >> as the alternative. they've been doing it for the past -- you better watch out for newt! newt's coming up, oh no, not newt! the romney people could not have written the script better over the past year. give us sarah palin as an alternative, then give us donald trump, a guy who is he going to

be in or is he just having fun? then give us michele bauchmann, then give us rick perry, then newt gingrich. the only -- >> book club -- >> exactly. and seriously, they have -- you have three people there who are running glorified book tours. cain, gingrich, and trump. and they were glorified book tours and they've taken off for newt now. and the one person they don't want and they will quietly tell you, they don't want jon huntsman. they're scared of him, they hate him, and as long as he stays low, they're happy. >> that's what i'm hearing too. and the irony is that newt's trying to argue if you want someone to manage washington, elect romney. newt's a creature of d.c. he's been in d.c. for decades. it's amazing. >> he was the champion of the mexican bailout back in 1995. >> yes! >> and now he's talking about no foreign policy. he's the guy that pushed bosnia, that pushed kosovo when they

were saying do we want to get involved in the -- >> he was arguing for the individual mandate and a national one at that, which is exactly what romney -- >> details, details. >> can i make a point -- >> a conservative idea that it was -- it was responsibility, you took care of yourself instead of the government taking care of you. that was a newt idea. >> it was. and for freddie to give him $300,000 as a "historian." >> that's taking care of yourself too. >> i wasn't a lobbyist, i was a historian. there's so much great stuff. >> he would be a heck of a history professor. >> federal spending data from iowa to see what candidates are doing. we only have it through september 30th. but no one is spending -- and least of all newt gingrich, $59,000 in iowa so far. it's 2.3% of all the money he spent. there's nothing going on in iowa right now and it's the

underreported story of the segment. everything we knew about iowa, you get on the ground, talk to voters, is being thrown out the window because the front-runner mitt -- >> and michael steele, if you want to talk about how weak this republican field is, how historically weak this field is, let's look at the book club members. herman cain -- >> it's amazing how many are using this to pad their bottom line. it's amazing -- it's. >> it's embarrassing for this country. people should be smarter about this. >> newt gingrich, let me make the point quickly. newt gingrich told mitch daniels, run for the president of the united states, it'll help your bottom line. it's true. ask mitch daniels. what does newt and what does herman cain have in common? that they have staff members that abandoned them because they were more focused on vacations and more focused on selling books -- >> herman cain went to alabama to sell books.

>> a funny thing happened on the way to the book signing. >> exactly. exactly. >> the public paid attention, at least the grass roots activists did. and they attached to an idea for herman cain, 9-9-9. for newt gingrich, it's been the slow and steady build on the issues. and now they find themselves actually having to run these campaigns on the ground. and as you noted in iowa, not a whole lot of spending there. >> they're selling books in alabama. >> iowa's already organizing in so many respects and -- it's not reflective of what the polls are telling you that's going on in iowa. it's a whole different beat there. you've got cain at the top, you've got the conservative candidates -- >> if you're romney's people, you look at iowa, you have to think to yourself, wow, i could spend $1 million there in the next month, which is not that much for mitt -- >> go for the kill. >> why not? >> mika, iowa is so wide open right now. it's unbelievable. >> and mika, do you remember

back in april of 2009 when we had that panel at american university -- and he said -- we asked him who he was most worried about, jon huntsman, that was april of 2009. how the times have changed. >> i actually -- >> they still don't want huntsman, do they? >> no because that would be a real race, real conversation, and a real challenge as opposed to a bunch of stupidity, sloga s slogans, and book signing. >> you offend me. >> i'm not offending you. i'm saying exactly what you were saying in a more clear way. >> what i'm saying off camera. >> beyond the words -- >> but look -- >> beyond the books. >> there's no doubt -- >> to your point, mika, you're absolutely right. huntsman needs to give them something to look at. and he cannot sit back in the cut and be the nice guy. he cannot be the nice candidate. >> is there anything to look at? >> he has to start acting like he wants to be president.

>> amen. >> if he does that, he will cut through this clutter like a hot knife through butter. >> that's a rhyme! >> the reality is, huntsman is where the american people are. period. end of story. >> they don't -- >> he's got to stop being the ambassador -- >> he's the guy -- >> i'm sorry, the american people have been listening to the 9-9-9 plan. could you fill in us on the other candidates that are more legitimate? >> that's my point. counter that 9-9-9 with the substance of a hard and edgy economic plan and a hard and edgy foreign policy plan and he's in the best position to do that. >> michael steele had the take away line here. i'm serious. he needs to stop acting like an ambassador. there's no doubt you put him up on the stage, you listen to him talk about china, about foreign policy, about war, about economics, the "wall street journal" said he had the best economic plan, the conservative

"wall street journal" of all republicans. there's no doubt he's head and shoulders above all the other candidates on policy and on leadership. there's no doubt. but he's acting like an ambassador. when you have erick erickson saying jon huntsman, please, give us something to support, punch, fight, get in the game. >> he doesn't even get called on. >> did you see his daughter's tweets? >> what's wrong with people? >> what's wrong with people? do you have to ask the moderator. >> why wouldn't you ask people with certain parts of their resume that apply to questions in the debate. >> bring the sizzle, baby. you know what i always say, mika? >> what? >> you got to cut through the clutter like a knife through hot butter. and huntsman could do that if you were listening, jon huntsman, michael steele has given you the guidance here, baby. stop acting like an ambassador

and start acting like a guy who is the governor of utah! you weren't the governor of massachusetts, you were the governor of utah! 100% nra rating, 100% pro-life rating, the most conservative economic program and you have been branded as a liberal. explain that one. can you guys believe that? utah governor the most conservative state in the nation! >> i can believe it. coming up -- republican presidential candidate rick santorum will be here. also white house press secretary dee dee myers, plus new developments in the penn state child sex abuse scandal. a live report from state college just ahead. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. >> shut it down. mine was earned over the south pacific in 1943. vietnam, 1967. i got mine in iraq, 2003.

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all right. we're going to get the latest out of the penn state child sex

scandal. we're learning that the judge that allowed jerry sandusky out on bail has previously worked as a volunteer at sandusky's charity the second mile. >> and she didn't tell anybody about it. >> that's a conflict. >> she didn't tell anybody about it. what judge does that? what's wrong with this county? what's wrong with the prosecutors up there? what's wrong with this program? >> sounds like -- >> it needs to be cleaned out. >> the power structure is rotten. >> and it's still rotten. >> peter, good morning. what can you tell us? >> reporter: mika, joe, good to see both of you. we reached out by the way to that judge last night. she was unavailable for comment, we'll try again today to hear what she has to say about the fact it wasn't disclosed she formally worked for that organization that jerry sandusky, the defensive coordinator at the center of this investigation. this is an exhaustive weekend at penn state university. and the investigation presses forward with the governor of

pennsylvania encouraging any other alleged victims of sandusky to come forward and contact authorities. >> reporter: as penn state students head back to class this morning, this tight knit community is still reeling from horrific charges of child sexual abuse and an alleged university cover-up. late sunday night, president obama spoke out from hawaii. >> what happened at penn state indicates that at a certain point folks start thinking about systems and institutions and don't think about individuals. evil can thrive in the world just by good people standing by and doing nothing. >> reporter: these are the penn state locker room showers where then graduate assistant mike mcqueary told a grand jury he witnessed jerry sandusky sexually abusing a boy in 2002. pennsylvania governor tom corbett who as attorney general in 2009 began the investigation

into sandusky said on "meet the press" sunday that mcqueary should've done more. >> he met the minimum obligation of reporting it up, but did not, in my opinion, meet a moral obligation that all of us would have. >> reporter: prosecutors wanted sandusky's bail to be set at $500,000 and he'd be required to wear a leg monitor. but the district court judge ordered he be free on $100,000 and pay nothing unless he failed to show up for a court hearing. she's now under scrutiny because her online profile says she's a volunteer for sandusky's children's charity, the second mile. saturday's football game, the first since 1965 without legendary coach joe paterno at the helm was at times somber. nearly 108,000 fans fell silent to honor the victims of sexual abuse. players taking a knee before the game even began. and after, penn state's heart breaking loss, this emotional

message from paterno son's jay on espn. >> dad, i wish you were here, we love you. >> all weekend, the penn state faithful paid visits to paterno's state college home. leaving behind momentos for the man who stepped out of the public eye after nearly half century as the symbol of this university. >> reporter: and this case goes forward this week on thursday. the former penn state vice president, his name is gary schultz, they are both charged with perjury and failure to report to authorities what they know. schultz, kurly, and sandusky all deny the allegations against them. >> all right. thank you so much, peter alexander. it's great to see you. we appreciate it. luke, i'm so torn. and i know you and all football fans are so torn. i have -- as an alabama fan, i always looked forward to the alabama/penn state rivalry, started in the '80s, continued

through now because it was such a class program. loved joe paterno. and i see people right now holding rallies and vigils for joe paterno and i'm like what the hell is wrong with you people? he covered up -- he just did, i hate to say it. but he covered up the raping of children for a decade. >> yeah. >> and it's certainly odd that you've seen those rallies that are so prolific. and even the national media attention they've garnered. on the cover of the new york tabloi tabloids, the cries that the penn state students have done. and you've seen this me against the world mentality, which we've seen so much in sports. saying the national media's against this. this is a witch hunt. and it's not. kids were seriously abused here. >> kids were raped. and they all -- >> this really aggravates me. my mother did a lot of work on the michael jackson trial, the catholic church. we've heard these stories growing up around the dinner table a lot in my house. and the thing that affects me on

this. there was a witness to this. usually it's all hearsay or michael jackson may have done this, the catholic priest khouw done th could've done this. this is a man who saw this and honestly, that's where i think -- we disagree on whether or not the program should be disbanded for a year. you can't hurt the kids for this. they should be allowed to play, but i think every coach needs to have a real serious thorough review, whether they had any connection to anybody involved in this. and if they did, sorry, good luck. >> let's go to peter alexander. peter, i think penn state needs to clean out everybody. i do think, even though a lot of people that follow that program will disagree with me, i think they need to shut the program down for a year. i think they need to be absolutely fierce in their response to this. because civil lawsuits are going to be coming up, rightfully so, from victims that could cost this university dearly. and i will tell you right now, there are a lot of parents across america that were going

to take their kids to penn state that will not let them go there now. and it's only going to get worse unless they take a strong stand. >> reporter: you bring up an important point. and i want to share with you that nbc news has confirmed today that there's an attorney for one of the alleged victims of jerry sandusky who says he's right now preparing a civil lawsuit against the university for its failure to act on the information that it apparently knew a long time back. you talk about what this university does going forward. and nobody, nobody defends the rioting that took place by the students here. and everybody we spoke to at the game this weekend and the days since was embarrassed of that presentation to the world of we are penn state. they have this phrase, we are penn state. that's what's at the root of this right now. they're trying to recapture that proud identity and they're not sure who they are. they're confused. and joe paterno is the image synonymous with this school for nearly half century.

he was the head coach since lbj was in office, walked the sidelines since 1949. and a lot of them are trying to figure out what penn state now represents. >> yeah. >> yeah. i think it's understandable that they're a bit confused. >> it is. >> this is the institution -- >> he is the institution. the thing is, though, michael. if joe paterno had learned about this six months ago and sat on it, that would be one thing. but the organization knew about it for a decade. they still allowed sandusky to come on the sidelines with little boys when they knew he was a rapist according to what mcqueary said. come on. >> three words. shut it down. if you want to regain that identity, if you want to sustain that identity into the future, you've got to clean house now. >> let me make the case for -- >> shut it down. >> there's 100 kids who had nothing to do with this! >> it's -- >> a year of their lives -- a year of their lives. let me put it -- >> those aren't the kids i'm

focused on right now. >> can i put it in terms -- there are eight kids, eight times $100 million is almost $1 billion. shut it down to save the institution for the future. it's not about right now, it's about the future. and if you don't deal with this effectively -- >> respond and we'll -- >> it's an ironic almost catch 22 situation, which is that the p biggest revenue maker for penn state is the football program and if you want to pay the victims, you need money. if you shut it down, you're hurting not just the kids on the football team, but the entire college because they are dependent on that revenue stream. it's a screwed up part of college athletics. the whole system needs to be looked at but -- >> i'd forget the revenue and work on reputation. >> by the way, the reason why the rapings were allowed to continue is because the disproportionate impact college football has on universities like this. you shut it down and you send

the message that we screwed up, we abandoned young boys for a decade, and we're going to show you we are penn state. these are our principles. >> exactly. >> we will shut down what is dearest to us. >> i simply think that you have a lot of kids who have given their blood, sweat, and tears to this program, it has been their entire lives, worked extremely hard through high school for this opportunity and for that to be taken away from them because of the sins of people they trusted, i don't think it's fair to them. and i understand the message. the death penalty at smu. smu never recovered from that. that was done for real reasons about cheating and pay per play. if you death penalty penn state, who gains out of that? >> and when you say about real reasons, you're talking about reasons connected to the football -- >> these are real reasons to shut down a program, don't get me wrong. >> well, you know, what sam stein said, all the players can go to dartmouth.

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look, the tree. >> the tree. >> they're making the tree. >> the comcast commerce tree, right? >> it is, yes. it's been -- >> i should have -- >> now it's being propped up. >> ge commerce tree. >> we're good, we're comcastic. joining us now, physics professor at the university of california berkeley. dr. richard muller. thank you very much for being on the show today. >> jeffrey sachs brought you up last week talking about how you were a skeptic, climate skeptic. you did the research to prove there wasn't climate change, got paid for it, but you didn't -- a funny thing happened on the way. >> well, i never believed there was no climate change, i simply felt that some of the other skeptics had raised valid issues that required addressing. >> what did you find? >> well, we studied four different effects that people

thought might have affected the previous claims of global warming. one of them is whether heating of cities contributed unfairly to the estimate. cities do heat more. but that's not because of the greenhouse effects. so you don't want to include that in when you measure global warming. there are issues of whether they had treated the data fairly. they used only 20% of the data at most. and there were worries they had somehow selected the data in such a way that it would increase the effect. so we studied these and several other effects. >> what was your conclusion? >> our conclusion was that none of these effects actually had altered the data. it wasn't clear to me that this would be the answer. and so, i think i'm proper was called a skeptic. >> there is climate change? >> there is global warming and it's about what people were saying two years ago. it's about 1.6 degrees

fahrenheit, and over the last 50 years -- >> over the last 50 years. >> over the last 50 years. that's the period when this large u.n. group says that the human effect is evident. >> and we're looking right now at a map, doctor, of the change. >> yeah, this is a map that was produced by our lead scientist, and it shows the temperature change around the world as over the -- this case we're showing the last 100 years. you can see things come and go, how they pulse. you can see why it's hard to actually detect global warming. on the bottom of the plot, you can see there's a line that goes up a little bit. that's the global warming. but as you look at this plot, you realize there are sudden hot spells, heat spells, now we're getting up to the recent era and things turning much, much redder. >> much redder. let me ask you about trend lines. is it possible for a scientist in 2011 to look at trend lines and say things are going to get

exponentially worse over the next 50 years? or are there parallels? this is -- the skeptics will say, yes, it is getting warmer. well, great, it got warmer in medieval times, during this spell. do they have a point? or do things seem to be getting exponentially worse? >> well, we're not yet in the exponential era, we are getting very steep warming. >> are there historical parallels? or is it a steeper -- >> interestingly, one of the things our study uncovered, there was a period between 1800 and 1850 where there were equally steep rises, and that hadn't been seen before because we had not -- nobody had gone back that far. and we were able to do that. the reason i'm worried about global warming is not because it is evident because there are heat deaths in france or because there is more hurricanes or tornadoes, actually there are fewer hurricanes and tornadoes. the reason i'm worried is

because from simple calculati s calculations, we are dumping enough carbon dioxide into the atmosphere, we're in a dangerous realm where we may really have trouble in the next coming decades. >> is that what you're hoping to frame in your testimony on capitol hill today? what do you hope to accomplish? because this is not only a complicated issue, but a controversial one at times. >> it has been controversial. and many of the skeptics have been unfairly ignored. i think they raised good issues that needed addressing. that's why two years ago i was not convinced that global warming was real or that it existed. now, the other scientific groups said, oh, we've done a good job, but there were outstanding issues, we have addressed those now. i think now we've stepped forward. now we have reached a point where some of the controversy has been resolved. >> so let me ask you this. it's been a fascinating month for you, i'm sure. have you seen -- have you gained new allies?

and have you had -- on the other side skeptics wanting to burn you at the stake as a heretic? you've been used as a political football, i'm sure. >> well, the reaction -- the political, the bloggers' reaction has been very volatile, let me simply say that. with many -- >> what a surprise. >> sir, please don't read that. we've learned. >> don't read comments. >> especially the comments. >> i don't. >> you can't. >> i learned -- >> searing, disturbing. >> i bring that up because you were checking out the skeptics' claim. you were saying in a very even-handed manner here that the skeptics had a point and brought up very good points. are we at a stage, though, now that you have said that climate change is real? global warming's real that now you have some proponents of -- or some people that believe in global warming that are saying,

see, he's proven our point, it's an open and shut case. >> well, i think that what i'm hearing more is statements such as, well, i always believed global warming was there, the issue is how much of it is caused by humans. now, historically i think many of them actually denied global warming period. and so i think we are moving forward. it doesn't mean we have a clear path forward. >> right. >> dr. richard muller, thank you so much. >> are you going to continue research on this, obviously? >> we have a lot more research to do. and i think the outstanding issues are what can we do about it? i am personally worried that global warming will be an issue that we have to address, but it's not clear how to address it since most of the global warming will not come from the united states. >> doctor, thank you so much. when we come back, the mojo football frenzy with major league soccer commissioner don garber and of course, roger bennett. we'll be right back. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about fees.

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they get the breakthrough last. that couldn't stop them. his fourth goal does the print.

>> what was it? >> roger told me to wear it. >> you have your name on there? i had no idea you were a galaxy fan. i had no idea i was a houston dynamo fan, but i am and i love it. roger, this is a sherbet orange, but you sent me the right jersey. i love the dutch when it comes to soccer. i love brilliant orange and this certainly is. what's going on? >> we normally have to slum it with me. we have permission and your excellency. it is an honor to have you. we have the mls cup and the clash of america's two finest teams that kickoff between the

galaxy in houston and it has been an amazing season. amazing television. you have expansion under way and tv ratings on there in the course of attendance surpassing the nba and nhl. you said that soccer in this league will be among the elite leagues by 2022. that's a tall order. >> it starts with building this in our country. people like you that love the game and people who watch the mls cup on espn and following two great teams with great players like landon donovan and david beckham that are coming into the league internationally or coming in from the youth ranks. all trying to get people to care about this beautiful sport. >> we know all about l.a. let's talk about houston.

what's special about houston? >> that's for me. this is a championship game building a stadium in downtown houston next to your great players. brian has played for the national team many years and a coach that is one of the rugged, rugged guys that every year takes their team to the top. they didn't make the playoffs this year and it's in the championship game this year. a great matchup for us. >> somewhat interested in the premier league. >> she is obsessed with soccer. i am going with houston. i'm very excited. >> if the l.a. galaxy and houston were to play, what standard that they would watch? would they be the aa or the aaa? >> it's probably in the middle or the bottom, but i think it's up there with the big guys. perhaps not at the manchester

united and chelsea level, but it's taking people like you and turning you into fans, i hope. >> no doubt either one of the teams would chew them up and spit them out for breakfast. >> if you were sitting at this table face-to-face, you wouldn't speak. >> liverpool next time may not stop. >> there is a reason you are in d.c. >> exactly. so obviously we are watching this and i can't wait to watch the game. it will be great. let me ask you about this weekend. the united states was able to do something for france and that is set the french program on the right track. a big win, 1-0. >> it was. he was at the sixth game in charge and promised the more attacking and more aggressive style of play. it's only yielded two goals.

paris in front of 70,000 french fans. the american game plan resembled foster's. they rescinded and retreated into a shell. it was a 1-0 score line and truly a battering. tim howard was absolutely remarkable and goal. in the 72nd minute, the little french dizzying one to strike out lacerated the american defense and stopped the ball. six games in and two goals. >> they chose and hopefully that will be more than the goals of flight. >> all right, thank you so much. go dynamo. >> go galaxy. >> a republican presidential

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>> per it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. happy birthday. manager garrett and willie guys is with us in new york. you can tell everybody. if you are worry why there is a work stoppage in europe, this is a national holiday for britain and most countries in the european union. >> the u.s. didn't get that.

caddy kay's 29th birthday. >> 28. >> berlusconi resigned this weekend because he didn't want to step on the eu holiday for her birthday. >> at 28 years old, even she is too old for him. >> by 10 or 11 years. what did i tell you? they are a good team. >> they blew the doors off kentucky. they are waiting for oklahoma to lose. >> stanford loses and boise state loses again. you know what? we have a rematch. if we can just hit a double in the eighth inning, we would win like 4-3. what an exciting national championship game. we will talk about that in

sports and heisman hopes. let's talk it over. we have a star here. we have a star here. we have a guy who preempted my watching of alabama crimson tide and that never happens. moderating this debate and i will ask what were your impressions? >> the first thing we tried to do at the debate was cover a lot of ground and require the candidates not to recite what they were talking about up stage, but force them to think about the issues. >> what did you think the news out of that was if you pick one or two answers. >> debates give you perspective on the topic. if you look at herman cain's lack of comfort, he was not prepared even though he said he

was waiting for this debate. i don't think he met his own standard. i don't have a standard. he had a standard. >> let me stop you there. it's a very important point and i have to say, this is where twitter is at its best. this is where it's going on. you are seeing responses from the left and the right and mainstream media. eric erickson halfway through the debate said this was an absolute disaster for herman cain and it didn't have to be, but this at the end of the day may move conservatives away from cain even more than the scandals. >> i think that's true. a lot of people had this expectation that there was a lot of hype about his inability to perform, particularly on this subject. you have the venue and the

question that was straight forward. right the first question out of the box it was a lame answer. people got the sense that this is not going to go the way it should go. he didn't really answer the question. >> we will get to the second in a second. voters can read through saying i will bring the best advisers on after the 30 or fourth time you say it. he said i will lend myself to good people. what are you going to tell them to do? >> you have to have a policy plaid form. these were the major issues. there were not gotcha questions that came up and they had a minute to answer. he couldn't even really fill a minute. it was painful. >> george w. bush and the first debate in "saturday night live" back in 2 thousand 4 when he asked for extra time and had nothing to say.

is it a friend or a foe? how do you deal with loose nukes and try to illuminate that issue and have people disagree publicly. it is a hard issue and doesn't lend itself to sound bytes. you have to have a zero aide policy or we have a little bit of both. what surprised me in realtime and i can't tell you how difficult it is to cope with something that surprises you because you think you know and have a sense to what it comes down to is a zero base on foreign policy. >> let's explain. at one point willie gift, you like me was watching the debate

because we were im'ing each other. is that what they call it? we were face timing on our iphone. rick perry decides he will zero out foreign aide and newt gingrich said we will zero out foreign aide and saying the hell with pakistan. they are not good neighbors. what planet are these guys on? yes, they are not great neighbors and they have nukes and radicals want to get the nukes to blow up new york, manhattan and other new york and washington. does turning our backs on that part of the world is not an option. i was surprised at rick santorum and the rest of the group. whether you like it or not, woo have to stay engaged in

pakistan. >> listening to both newt gingrich and mitt romney talking about engagement in keeping the military threat alive in terms of iran. they said president obama has been too soft on that country and saying all things are on the table including the threat of military action. >> it sounded like at one point when asked about afghanistan said you have to keep everything on the table regarding iran and pakistan. it certainly suggested that. >> there was a dimension on iran that i found news making. i'm not going to tell you what i thought. it's news and people can evaluate and judge how comforting or discomforting that is. it was a clear dynamic. it was not just allow them to say i oppose them obtaining a

nuclear weapon. of course you do! what is it you are going to do and what lines are you going to cross and threshold of moving in that direction is sufficient? >> let's listen and i will go to you. let's listen to mitt romney talking about how he can do something that george w. bush even said he couldn't do. he completely stopped them from getting nuclear weapons. >> the president should have built credible threat of military action and made it clear that the united states of america is willing in the final analysis if necessary to take military action to keep iran from having a nuclear weapon. if we reelect barack obama, iran will have a nuclear weapon. if you like me as the next president, they will not. >> i'm sorry. i'm sorry. that's laughable. i say that because there were real hots and george w. bush's administration and about years

in, they understood that that line in the sand was going to be crossed and there wasn't a lot they could do. >> i was disappointed for mitt romney for saying that. i expected him to have a more sophisticated understanding. for example, what are you going to do with russia and how is he going to propose bringing russia on board and what is he going to give moscow. that's what he's going to take. >> between romney and two goys that don't like each other and romney does the anti-china thing and will take him to the wto. huntsman is like listen, you know, mitt, nothing personal, but you can't actually take them to the wto for currency issues. >> the last thing we wanted was a trade war. >> mitt is willing to dumb it

down and say things that are silly and have no connection with geopolitical realities to get applause. >> to get that reaction in the base that right now is a fratd. you figure you come out swinging and i think katty's got it right. it's not just iran and russia, it's china and there all these pieces have you to take the totality. >> we tripled the number of troops in afghanistan. we are still in iraq. we will see if we get out by the end of the year. our forces are stretched more and you are going to invade iran? no, you are not, mitt romney. >> whenever somebody spoke like ron paul, he got a lot of

applause by saying bring the troops home. that was an antiwar audience. >> we are looking at polls here that i suspect might get people to pause. who would best handle an international crisis? you have to define best as an all out warfare. newt gingrich gets 31%. rick perry 9% and herman cain 8%. >> what that reflects is a sense people have about who will converse and talk about this issue in an intelligence and historical way and newt gingrich meets that across all spectrums. i was surprised and i brought up the history that the speaker and i have, he was speaker when foreign aide budgets were there and raised. one of the first crisis they had to deal with which the speaker was not happy with. he was intervening. >> you brought it up.

newt gingrich was the guy that dragged conservatives to pass the mexico bailout. it was all newt gingrich. we didn't want america to get engaged in bosnia or kosovo. he broke everybody's arms. there is not a bigger international -- newt gingrich is one more example of how newt will say whatever it takes at the moment to get an applause. by the way, this is not my opinion. this is as you say, documented fact. go back and see what this man did when he was speaker of the house. she was the internationalist internationalist. for him to talk about zeroing out, it's a joke and laughable. >> the leader of the republican

party, had itself has nothing to do with that. we will get up there and balance the budgets and end-all of this foreign entanglements. then newt said we need to bail out mexico. it was not about that, but bailing out goldman sax. the more things change, the more they stay the same. we thought newt gingrich was going to have that surge. he said it was his time and locks like over the weekend that happened. >> over the last week when everyone was worrying about rick perry, he was climbing up the polls. we have new information that shows where it stands. this is the poll where the margin of error is about 5.5%. another poll we have shows about the same thing with kind of a group of three at the top. herman cain, mitt romney and

newt gingrich. a new name cycled up. we had cain and michele bachmann at different points. >> newt is now at least for this week in the top tier along with cain and romney. i will tell you, nbc news "wall street journal" they redid the poll after the flood of "saturday night live" lampoon and got an updated survey. mitt romney gained 5 percentage points and he is up to 32%. he cracked 30. that's big for the romney people. cain remains steady at 27% and gingrich at 22%. the next person is ron paul at 9%. you don't have rick perry anywhere there. it looks right now and it is still preseason, but at this

stage as we get closer, we are weeks away from iowa. it looks like a race between cain, gingrich, and romney with cain going down. >> you will see the romney and newt numbers, newt's numbers grow and romney's hold steady. i thought romney was the tortoise and it was newt gingrich. what newt did effectively in all the bases, he went after the press. look at what he did. what he did was got the press on the issue. it grabbed the attention of the audience that whooped it up and applauded and he made his point because he got the attention and he was listening. watching him educate the audience about what he knows and what he would do, you can see it reflecting on the polls and it is the greatest strategy and stub standively strong.

why palin did so well and republicans want a fighter. newt is showing they don't care what you are fighting, but they want to see a guy punching back and newt is doing that too. >> energy, articulativeness and a sense of direction. all those things are close to the newt gingrich campaign. all these national polls are meaningless. what we have to focus on now getting close to iowa and new hampshire, state poll numbers tell us. it's not clear what they tell us yet. we haven't seen it actually take root in new hampshire and iowa. last week newt opened up five offices and he is beginning to put together what you have to have on the ground and stay performing. i was talking to several republican officials in south carolina and in pressing him with sophistication and social

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we can't be indecisive about whether pakistan is our friend. they must be our friend and we must engage them as friends and

get over the difficulties we have as we did with saudi arabia with respect to the events of 9/11. the terrorists came from saudi arabia. we said you know what, it's important for us to maintain that relationship in spite of the difficulties. it's important for us with a nuclear power and a vast number of people in pakistan who are radicalizing that we keep a solid and stable relationship and work through our difficulties. it is that important and we must maintain that relationship. >> welcome back to "morning joe." a live look at the white house at 23 past the hour. secretary under president clinton and contributing editor to "vanity fair," dee dee meyers. candidate for the republican nomination for president, rick santorum. >> we were talking about that pakistan issue and being the

answer of the debate. it wasn't a cheap sound byte saying if i'm elected president iran will never get a nuclear weapon. a great answer by rick santorum. we have been nice to rick so that's it. >> see you guys. nice being on the show. >> you stay right there. let's start by what i guarantee you more americans are talking about around dinner tables and pakistan and iran and jobs bills. that is your alma mater. a man you call a friend, joe paterno. it's heart breaking. i loved and helped penn state from a distance. i went there for a game and how i love the team and how i love the program and the people and the school. my god, there have been so many adults who let down so many children. it's got to kill you. what's your reaction?

>> it's devastating on so many levels. you think about the kids who so many of them were hurt because they didn't do the right thing. that devastation, the devastation of people that you held up and you thought this was a program and a group of people that you respected and to see that come crumbling down and the impact of penn state graduates and the impact on the university and the kids there. the impact on the community and the state. this is -- unless you are from pennsylvania, you don't realize how much they connected everything and to see this betrayal, it's a betrayal. >> i'm going to ask you about that. how do you feel and i want to hear you express and if this happened at alabama or florida and institutions that i love, i would feel betrayed. how do you feel about a 28-year-old man who grew up in

that area and connected to penn state and seeing and we can say allegedly and according to his own testimony seeing a 10 year ole boy being raped by a 60-year-old man in the shower and turning around and saying nothing to authorities? seeing that same 60-year-old man bring kids on the sidelines for the next ten years. >> there horrible things, but of all the things, that's unexplicable how you can't -- your gut reaction is to take a football helmet and hit him over the head with it and do something to at least do something. to walk away is really the -- like i said, inexplicable and for him to continue to be in the program, it's interesting. i have been reading articles that maybe one of the reasons they haven't fired him is he is protected under whistle blower

statutes. it's legally contorted in so many ways. clearly the point where this all began was someone who did something that still in my mind is again, inexplicable. >> so many things. let's turn to foreign policy and the debate. a lot of cheap calls were zeroing out and a ban onning pakistan and mitt romney saying if barack obama is selected, iran will have nukes and iran won't. your moment stood out and it was saying we have to stay connected with pakistan whether we like him or not. explain your answer. >> i will explain a couple of things. with respect to pakistan as you mentioned, pakistan has been an ally of the united states. they were an ally in the cold

war and after 9/11. a perfect ally? no. they had their own national interest and they had radical elements in the country that made it difficult to govern. a lot of people do not like the relationship the government has with us and as a result they have to do things to balance their own political survivability. with respect to the military and with their intelligence and large segments of the government, we had the relationship so we need to continue to foster the elements and rest control of the country and with it nuclear weapons. the second point which is the zero based budget, i like the other folks to stand up because they said we should look at everything. fine. if the idea is everything is zero-based, we will look at social security and medicare and defense spending and all programs are zero based, fine. if that's what you say,

everything is zero based, that's not what you are saying. they are pandering to this anti-foreign aid element. i ask people what percentage of the federal government is in foreign aid. usually you get 20 to 40%. when i say it's less than half percent, they are shocked. when i say how important it is to prevent the military action and prevent america from getting involved in things that it shouldn't be and how foreign aid is valuable and how all military foreign aid and most humanitarian too is spent in this country and very little is cash payments to foreign governments that doesn't benefit the united states anyway. this was a low light in that debate. >> it was idiotic. i know that sounds harsh, but it

was idiotic. it's going to be dominated not by military power. it's going to be soft power. anyone with a zero out of foreign aid? give me a break. >> you need to preserve foreign aid to achieve objectives. >> we are not doing it to be nice. >> no. people are going why are we giving all these foreigners money? you don't want to give the foreigners money? we want to win. we want our interest to be protected. it has nothing to do with the united states being nice. >> in which you really don't know in five years what the leadership is going to look like. you want connections to whoever is in this society. >> few other countries would say that, but pakistan is like a

troubled child. it doesn't matter how badly they behave. you have no choice but to make the relationship work. this troubled child has nuclear weapons. they want the nuclear weapons to sell them. >> if you go back to his comments as a candidate, he was the who would invade pakistan as a candidate for the presidency. you can do this all you want. >> let's bring the candidate in. >> jump in. >> that's what he did. >> it was hard to make sense of that, but here's what i would say. pakistan is different than china or other countries with nuclear

weapons in that pakistan has a radical islamic element. this element does not -- we had that with the soviet union and china and russia makes sense when you have political bodies that are not willing to kill themselves to get to heaven and have their 72 virgins. when you deal with radical islamists, you can't let these weapons fall into the hands of theocrats who are willing to die and want to die for their god. that's what makes pakistan unique in dealing with them. that's why iran and president obama says iran can't get a nuclear weapon. the problem with president obama is he's not doing anything. that's where we would differ. >> senator santorum, let's talk strategy since you mentioned pandering which there is a lot

of. you said that you think you will win iowa. >> i do. >> the latest national polls show you at 1% or 2% support and the "des moines register" poll had you in seventh place. how do you win iowa without pandering? >> look at this. 70 to 75% even in a lot of these national polls say that people are still undecided. there was a poll out a couple of weeks ago to name any of the republican candidates and half the people couldn't name any of us. the idea that the register poll means anything at this point, it's still early. we are in the preseason. folks are going to begin to start folk using. we have a clear message and we are talking about serious things like i did at the debate.

serious answers and solutions to the problems that are vastly different where president obama has taken the country on spending and taxes. i have experience in all those areas and i have been able to accomplish things. that message is resonating and that will build the base for us to be successful and surprise a lot of people. >> all right, senator. always great to see you, rick. >> thank you, joe. >> you have been through this before. it's still early. in 2004, john kerry had not emerged yet. mike huckabee was before he had his christmas non-cross ad and it's early. >> it's earlyish. it's not that early anymore. once you get into the holiday season, it's harder to reach

voters. you need to make an impact before that. >> of all the candidates, santorum spent much more money. 25% has been in iowa and the next closest is michele bachmann. he invested and they are just not taking to him. >> they are still trying to figure it out. rick certainly is strong. >> as i said before, he is in a position like a few others to move as voters are beginning to. the more they do that in iowa over the next six weeks, he is well-positioned. >> we cycle through the newt vote though. i don't know. wake me up when that is over. >> we will be there for a while. oscar nominated director joins us to talk about the new bill with maryland. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] succeeding in today's market requires decisive action.

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>> welcome back to "morning joe." it hits theaters next week.

the actor and director, kenneth, great to see you. >> i love the story. people haven't read this memoire or heard about it. lay it out a little bit. >> it's about a moment in 1956 in england where marilyn monroe, the biggest movie star in the world came to england and made this comedy. things did not go well. it was supposed to be a great meeting of talents and she didn't show up on time and he didn't like it. there was a lot of tension on set. she would be missing for three days at a time and eventually for a week. falling in love with olivier's assistant. his very first job is on this movie. >> this young man is fresh out of oxford i guess? >> yes. >> he wants to get into the film business and assigned to a film with marilyn monroe.

what was it about him that she was attracted to? >> this kid comes in with an enormous sense of entitlement. he knew he was married at that time and it's curious. people in the situations sometimes are witness to break confessional moments from people who hardly know them. he is suddenly behind back stage when marilyn is in a moment of potential distress. his very youth and innocence and what a film does is allow him to be a representative of the audience. you want to find out what it will be like to see if you will be the best friend. you can help her? can you rescue marilyn and fall in love? >> i can try. i don't know about the falling in love part, but just for the five or days without giving away too much of the film, what

happened during that week? >> she kind of goes missing from the movie. he is being driven mad. the pictures and they escape, marilyn seemed to need from various people at various times, a kind of comfort and support and reassurance about various insecurities. it's a beautiful performance by a young actor opposite the sensational michelle williams. it seems like they are a way from the first super protocelebrity. she is the first modern celebrity about whom we kind of know everything. for her to go missing in a pocket of old england in 1946 when bobbies were on the beat. you can visit windsor castle. you can actually get in there.

they don't meet the queen and get to see her escapism you feel and you taste that loneliness. it's a great feature in the past of kings who have gone in disguise. marilyn can barely go in disguise. it's that shot of peroxide and that amazing shimmying gorgeous figure and this weekend is kind of abruptly where she is. every once in a while. >> you mentioned michelle williams getting incredible reviews. you look at a real live character doing a caricature. >> she is fantastic. >> she has done all the work required to be the sing marilyn that people know from marilyn. she did a lot of hard work and the voice and the physicality and got the look. she got the interior of this particular version of marilyn.

it's not a lifetime pick, but it's a nice thing for the audience. you get to see the dazzle of the movie star that is marilyn, but through michelle you also get the vulnerability and the fun, the real fun of who that is. the joy is infectious. you leave the movie with an ache. she was in her hands a delicious personality. >> you are not so bad as lawrence olivier. a week with marilyn. should you go see it. had hits theaters november 23rd. thanks so much. up next, a changing of the yard in italy with berlusconi and the debt crisis. the market is here at home as well. here next. congratulations.

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break. >> i can't wait to hear it. >> berlusconi. he is not working anymore. good news, huh? >> that's true. he is looking for something to do besides spending the billions. italy and greece waking up to new leaders this morning. you don't hear that often. they are supposed to make the tough decisions. they are not getting the lobbyists. they can make the cuts that need to be done, but in the meantime, italy floated new debt overnight and they had the bonds so they can pay the bills and they paid a new record rate. the market is still sort of unsure how this is going to work out and that is dragging european markets. our own government is facing a deadline november 23rd. it's 1.2 trillion in cuts. we are watching all this unfold and make tough decisions. in the meantime i will be waiting down here for you. do you believe him?

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