and i have two things in common, our love for rescue animals and vodka. >> with a straw. >> with a straw, of course. with a straw. if it's way too early, willie? >> it's "morning joe." stick around for "the daily rundown" hosted by mr. luke russert. see you tomorrow. the supercommittee super fail is official now. president obama said as long as he's president, there's no scurrying around the deal. on those automatic spending cuts slated to take ifect in 2013. debate night in washington. the 11th gop contest, this one focused on foreign policy. will mitt romney coast through? will herman cain get asked about libya? president obama heads to new hampshire today. romney has a new ad waiting for him. the white house claims this has gone too far. it's tuesday, november 22, 2011.

i'm luke russert in for chuck todd. how will the markets open after yesterday's plunge and chris matthews joins us for a look back. in the midst of the collapse, why the group was unable to bridge the ideological gap. they couldn't agree on why it failed. democrats believe that the government having made a lot of commitments and promises that we really can't keep with, you know, the current revenue. >> america is stuck with the absolute rigidity of people who want to protection the wealthiest people in the country instead of providing $1.2 trillion of deficit reduction. >> we have an nbc news political reporter from politico how are you? >> thanks, luke how are you? >> congress' approval rating is 13%.

from here on out, how does it resinate with the public heading into the election? >> congress has been unpopular. it's going to continue to be unpopular. a lot of people sit and shake their heads. it's another example of washington gridlock. the president didn't get involved. we look at reasons why this morning. if he got involved and something didn't pass, well, then there would be a blame on him. if he doesn't get involved or did get involved, something does pass, then you have these difficult social cuts to social programs. what are we talking about? we are talking an election issue now. a campaign he's going to be talking act. the jobs legislation may be starting to sound old. he's talking ability how can we come together. the white house sees this deadline as somewhat artificial. the cuts the automatic trigger cuts don't kick in until 2013. the white house thinks they can bring parties together to the

table, don't have to get involved in the supercommittee. everyone thought it might fail anyway. >> on that point of the automatic cuts, the president is a believer in staying true to them. listen to what he said the other day about the spending cuts coming agent because they failed? >> already some in congress are trying to undo these automatic spending cuts. my message to them is simple. no. i will veto any effort to get rid of those automatic spending cuts domestic and defense spending. there will be no easy off ramps on this one. >> no easy off ramps on this one. can the president go into the election in 2012 not touching those automatic cuts? >> he said he would veto any cuts. i think, again, what they want to try to do is get something, some bargain together so john

boehner's op-ed saying he shares no blame in this. the democrats and republicans haven't been able to work it out. if they can get a grand bargain, we are talking something that could help either side. but they are going to wait until after the election. >> let's keep the election 2012 ball rolling. mitt romney with an ad in new hampshire. a $134,000 ad buy. let's hear what he had to say. >> i'm confident that we can steer ourselves out of this crisis. who has been in charge of the economy. we need a rescue plan for the middle class. we need relief for the homeowners. it's going to take a new direction. if we keep talking act the economy, we are going to lose. >> i'm going to do something to government. i call it is smaller, simpler, smarter approach to government. >> interesting that romney makes his first ad squarely about

obama. usually, they are about trumping the candidate or going after a challenger in the gop primary. he's going after obama here to build up the culture for mitt romney. >> what we have seen from a lot of candidates is that tea party folks, the strong conservative base who really haven't warmed to mitt romney, they want a fighter, somebody who is going to take on the president. it is interesting. usually, the first ad is something that shows a positive side of a candidate. what he tried to do is a little bit of both, attack the president and pivot what he would want to do. he had one out of context line there. >> let's talk about that. >> obama was quoting mccain, right? >> a mccain aid said if we talk about the economy, we lose. the president had, not president then but now president, had talked about that on the campaign trail and said, you know, this is something the mccain people believe. if we talk about the economy, we

lose. the romney people acknowledged that it was out of context. they said actually, it's in context. the tables have now turned on the president. he doesn't want to talk about the economy, he wants to get personal. >> what should we look for in the debate? >> we have been talking foreign policy. we had ten, nine debates previous to that not talking about foreign policy. it's one where newt gingrich is at the top of the polls in a whole skew of poles out there, or slew of polls. he's going to be under scrutiny. >> the first debate as a national front-runner. good to see you. president obama is moving on to plan b in the wake of the supercommittee's failure, trying to ensure the key budgets stay in place. >> if we don't act, taxes will go up for every single american starting next year.

i'm not about to let that happen. middle class americans can't afford to lose $1,000 next year because congress won't act. >> kristen is live at the white house. kristen, the president going up to new hampshire today. what does he hope to accomplish there? >> reporter: hi there, luke. president obama will speak at a school in manchester today. he will talk about jobs and talk about the importance of extending the payroll tax cuts, extending unemployment insurance. it's part of the jobs package that is largely stalled in congress. you will likely see him weave the failure of the supercommittee into his re-election narrative. he's started this already against the do-nothing congress. he will use that as ammunition to build upon the argument. the political backdrop is huge. this is the nation's first primary state. republicans have been stumping in new hampshire for months now.

mitt romney was there yesterday shoring up key support including getting endorsement of senator kelly. he released an attack ad against president obama slamming him for his handling of the economy. we saw team obama fire back at that. the fireworks are already starting there. it might feel more like a general election today in new hampshire, luke. >> do you think it will be in response to the ad or generic republicans? >> i don't know if he will mention romney by name. he's been hesitant to do that. i wouldn't be surprised if he took a more general swipe at romney's policies and philosophies. this state is only four electoral votes, luke, but

president obama won the state back in 2008. according to the latest bloomberg poll, he's trailing romney now in a hypothetical match up by ten points. this is a state that could be important to president obama's re-election prospects. he knows it so he's trying to shore up support among independent voters. will he call out other republicans by name, probably not. he will be certainly having some of that firy rhetoric that we have heard from the president lately. luke? >> a lot of democrats will tell you in 2000 if al gore would have paid attention to new hampshire, he would have been president. on capitol hill, the blame game is gearing up. speaker john boehner is blaming the democrats and the president for dramatic tax hikes. senate leader harry reid says it was the republicans who didn't cut the deal. kelly o'donnell is my colleague

on the hill. proud to see you in the studio, my friend. >> it's good to be here together. >> the finger pointing is all over the place. there was an 11th hour deal they were trying to drum up. was that all aesthetics? >> it made it look like they are going to use every available hour, make every chance. at the same time, you didn't have all the members of the supercommittee involved. you had a core group passing ideas back and forth. there was nothing substantive in the meet thag was going to create a breakthrough. give the hail mary pass. on one side, they looked like they were trying. on the other side, there was a reality they were so unlikely to close a deal before the deadline. >> the underreported story is we are going to have a busy december. the reason why, we have a payroll tax extension,

unemployment benefits, all these things that add $300 billion. republicans say they are needed for the economy. democrats say, how is that going to play out? we could have a christmas eve vote here. >> we thought it was going to be about the supercommittee, the surprise is it will be a piece by piece set of the moment. they thought they could work all of that into the big deal. it hasn't happened. you have now, the new kind of catalyst of the expiration of a payroll tax cut or expiration of unemployment. those things that will get people to the table. when we talk about the dock fix, it sets off all kinds of alarms. they have to change the rate at which doctors who do medicare are paid. the system is flawed. they have to do this every year. now, i think one of the reasons the president came forward, to put his marker down. he wants to see the payroll tax cut extended, have extra money in people's pockets to make the

distinction of tax breaks for hires and every day americans. some republicans in the house saying we like that tax cut, but if it's going to add more to the deficit, they may not get behind it. buckle up again. the press releases about the political divides are coming at us again. do you think the republicans will make an effort to couple these things the president wants with serious spending cuts? >> we have seen that play book. in order to get the desired outcome of the payroll cut somewhere else. we have seen that happen in other to the brink crises. they are looking for those cuts. can they find them? the supercommittee did do some things. they came up with a list of things on their to-do list of cuts. they have ideas of where to cut. they didn't get the whole way. that gives republicans and democrats a place to see. >> my sister of the irish

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succeed. >> failure is not an option. our country needs us now. >> that, of course, was the republican senate minority leader, mitch mcconnell. their predictions of a success a few months back now ring hallow. pennsylvania republican pat toomey joins us now. thanks for coming on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> looking at charts over the last ten years, if you look at the costs of the two wars, medicare and the bush tax cuts, it's $5 trillion over the next ten years. if you extend the bush tax cuts, it adds $3.7 trillion to the deficit. how can, in good faith, you suggest new tax revenue is not needed to offset that deficit we have now? >> simple. if you look at the current rates that we have in place now and

have had in place since 2003, so for about eight years now, recently as 2007 with the current tax rate structure that we have, we had a budget that was virtually balanced. total deficit 1.2% of gdp. spending back then was 20% of gdp. since president obama took office and the democrats took control of congress, spending has exploded. the serial bailouts, missive stimulus to the point where government is now closer to 25% of gdp, it's a 25% increase in the size of government overnight. that's the problem. we have a spending problem. the president acknowledged the health care portion is the driver of this problem. that's true. you could double everybody's income taxes tomorrow and we would be running a $300 billion deficit. >> senator, excuse me, federal revenue as a share of the

overall economy is at the lowest level. if you look at the chart of president obama, the extension from 2009 to 2017 they are going to cost $1.44 trillion as opposed to the bush policy. how can you say it's a spending problem, not a revenue problem. we have the lowest share of revenue. 5.07 under bush. >> let me explain it for you. we had a recession. we are in a weak economy. we have a high unemployment rate. when you have that, you have a reduction in the revenue that's going to come in. the revenue is a leveraged function of the economy. if we have policies to encourage that. we have a reversion of the revenue. the spending is at a higher level. it's going to continue to grow. in the discussions, the democrats were not willing to address the drivers of the

median turn deficit problem, the health care spending the president acknowledged. obama care was off the table. forms of medicaid were off the table. long term solutions for medicare including bipartisan proposals, unacceptable. this is the problem we have in the committee and a problem we continue to have. >> you were quoted by the patriot news saying quote, i push my conference as far as we could. we put revenues on the table, which i didn't think we should. you offered a plan of $250 billion worth of revenue over the next decade after extending the bush tax cuts. with the deficit at $16 trillion, was $250 billion in new revenue the best you could do or the republicans on capitol hill could do? >> i don't think we should damage our economy with job crushing tax increases. my colleagues on the other side think we should.

huge trillion dollar tax increase is a bad idea. we start with different premises. my colleagues on the other side negotiating good faith. they are advocates for a much bigger government and occupies a larger part of the economy. controls more of our enconmy. if that's the vision we are going to have of a european style large government, you need bigger taxes to fund that. i don't think it's the right solution for america. i know it will reduce the size of our economy over time. reduce opportunity and lower our standard of living. i want a government that lives within their means. >> yesterday, senator portman said for the deficit to be figured out, both sides have to do something that is painful. if you look at the medicare costs, if you look at medicare, 47 million people on it in 2010. 80 million by 2030.

possibly by 2035 go up 30% of gdp. it's a problem as we had for the lowest part of the share of the overall economy. what are the tough choices you feel democrats and republicans can feasibly make on capitol hill in 2012 and are we slated for this to be an election issue and kick the can down the road again? >> it's hard to say what tough choices we'll be able to make. i worked hard to get tough decisions made in this committee. obviously, we were not able to bridge this big gap. you know, one small silver lining in this, we certainly identified many, many programs that have either outlived their youthfulness, gotten bloated or inappropriate. there are plenty of items to choose from. we couldn't roll it into a big package. maybe we could pass them individually. i think we need to recon figure the $1.2 trillion in the

spending cuts scheduled to occur. i think we have developed a long menu of choices to choose from in getting there. >> thank you for joining us today. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. the super failure on capitol hill sent stocks tumbling. as bad as it is on capitol hill, it could be worse. we'll explain. an the anniversary of president kennedy's assassination, chris matthews will be here. who was the first president to bar don a turkey? the first credit answer gets a follow tuesday from us. the answer and more coming up on "the daily rundown." don't go anywhere. [ gasps ] that's doris!

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away. it's time for the market rundown with becky. how are the stocks doing? the supercommittee made the markets tumble a bit yesterday. >> we were looking at a bounceback this morning. looked like it was going to open up 50 or 60 points. it was good news until we got the gdp numbers. it came out at 8:30. it was a bit of a surprise. before they told us it was 2.5% growth for the third quarter. it was really only 2%. there were gasps around the table where we were sitting and at the stock change. we knew it might be a little lower. a growth number of 2% came as a big sur prize to the market. we saw futures go down. we saw it trade down as much as 50 points. what is going on with the united states economy?

a lot of numbers coming in, jobless claims, consumer confidence numbers and spending numbers were coming in better than expected. the thought was things were chugging along well in the united states despite the problems in europe. this revision is the first indication that maybe things haven't been quite as healthy and as strong growth as we were expecting. it has people reassessing today. we'll see them bouncing up and down. the stock market is going to open 20 points when we open. >> 2% gdp growth is not the news we were expecting. thank you very much. we appreciate it. "the daily rundown" will be back in 30 seconds. do not go anywhere.

bottom of the hour now. quick look at what's driving the day. president obama visits new hampshire for the first time in nearly two years today. he's set to deliver a speech at manchester high school. convene in washington, d.c. for the 11th major debate focused on national security. investors hope for a better day of trading after the supercommittee failure made for a wild ride. the chancellor at uc davis tried to apologize for the pepper spray. many called for her resignation. students built an encampment for

protest. the amount of cash missing from mf global customer accounts may top $1.2 billion according to the wall street journal. it's double the previous estimates. it comes as investigators try to look at the finances after they went bankrupt and jon corzine stepped down. a manmade feelings known using tear gas at the parliament. they scuffled with police as they tried to derail to pass the agreement. a senior taliban commander says his group declared a nationwide cease-fire in support of peace talks. he said the cease-fire has been in place for weeks. not all members of the taliban are committed to keeping it. it's day four of an increasingly volatile situation in egypt. the military rulers are holding

an emergency meeting with political leaders now. tens of thousands gathers in the square. richard engel is in cairo. richard, i understand the military government submitted resignation. has that helped the situation at all? >> reporter: i can show you the impact it's had. the crowds only seem to be getting bigger. if you come in and we can look down, people here have spread out an egyptian flag. before they were shouting unjust, unjust referring to the unjust rule of the military. in the center of the square, there's structures there. a striped tent. it's a mosque where people have been praying all day. a little to the left of that is a health clinic, a field hospital where they have been treating some of the injured. most of the injured are coming from way down on the end, the

corner. they are actually the administrative offices in cairo. down the alley way is where the clashes have been taking place. it's hard to know how many people are in the square. if you spread it out, maybe 150,000 people here. it's perhaps the biggest demonstration since the revolution that toppled president mubarak nearly a year ago. to answer your question, no, the government's proposed resignation certainly is not stopping this movement. >> richard, egyptian state tv is showing video, three american teenagers arrested. what is the latest on that situation? >> reporter: this is an interesting situation. it happened earlier today. egyptian state television showed these images of what it claimed were three american students detained for taking part in fact clashes, specifically throwing molotov cocktails. we are called the embassy. they are investigating this.

what's troubling is if you remember going back to the original revolution, the egyptian media, the state television was trying to paint foreigners as instigators saying foreign journalists and outsiders were inspiring events like we are seeing, again. it would be a troubling development. the embassy is investigating the claim that they have been detained. >> richard, wonderful reporting. stay safe. thank you very much. today marks the 48th anniversary of president kennedy's assassination. a tragic day. it sits fresh in the minds of many americans. chris matthews is host of "hardball" on msnbc and author of this book "jack kennedy." >> thank you. >> one thing i found interesting -- that was a good book and he wrote it under

deadline. >> you have a quote on page 23 that i find very interesting. i would like to show it. you talk about how jfk was at a dance and how he left the dance with a date. they thought they were being trailed by a school administrator. they weren't. they went hiding in the woods, ran away and met up with his friends. the tale is a fine example of the sort of risk jack kennedy enjoyed taking. dangerous on the downside with little on the up. short lived but long savered. it offered the promise of deliverance. it was his way of coming alive and it would never change. >> it's interesting you grabbed that. james dickey from the novel "deliverance" and the promise that sex delivers you from your existence into another space or place. jack loved the exhilaration of risk taking.

it may explain his kas know have with women. he loved it. >> you did a masterful job about his health ailments. he knew he wasn't going to be on earth, he had the last rights performed on him four times. >> from reading the book, when he was in boarding school, he thought he had leukemia. if you grow up short, even if you get taller in life you think of yourself as a short kid. if you grew up poor and then get rich, you always feel poor. i have looked at pictures of him from june of '63. he's uncomfortable. he walks around carefully. all the movies he's careful. the actual pictures of him, he's always in pain. by the way, i think about this short life thing, he was always asking people, how would you

like to die. he said quick. different ways of dying. he's always asking people these questions. rendezvous and death was one of his favorite poems. >> one thing i found interesting is you went in depth of what happened with pt 109. >> right. >> i was unfamiliar with this. he made two treks to find help and wasn't able to by himself. >> the big fear was they are not going to drown. they got to the island. they finally found water on the third island. the big fear is being caught by the japanese. anybody who read "unbroken" it's a bigger book than this about what japanese did to their prisoners, it was horrible. nobody wanted to get caught by them. they are in japanese waters. he had hours to get off the island. it's why they went to the island that looked like the new yorker. few palm trees.

they figured the japanese would be hard to get to that. >> he broke his back for his men. >> he was carrying a guy on his back for four hours to get to the first island. then the second island. he carried him on his back the second time. the third island, he found a big drum of water and brought that back on a canoe he found. he was trying to shorten the amount of time they were on the islands. petrified of the japanese getting them. >> 48 years later, it seems jack kennedy's image connects with anyone who has seen it. is there something of the fact that his premature death allows us to tie him to hope and aspiration that he survived? do you think he would have been the same figure? >> where he was taking us, he was taking us to civil rights, he was afraid of losing texas. he was trying to get us on the moon. he was always a mission ahead.

you knew where he was going to take us by where he was trying. tax cuts, republicans like that, a tax cut. trying to win the cold war without war. that was the number one goal. meet the russians in space. convince them we were better than the russians and make friends around the world with the peace corps.. your mom was in the peace corp. she was one of the best volunteers because she never quit. i have to tell you, it's about the future and where it's taking us. i get inspired thinking about it. there was never a doubt where kennedy was taking us. >> jack kennedy didn't like conventional wisdom. he was looking for a new way forward. >> you are right. you are a student. as you always have been. >> chris matthews, author of jack kennedy. great thanksgiving day present for the inlaws. >> black friday, go out and get it. >> my mom said don't go shopping

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let's bring in the tuesday panel. bill is a former senior adviser to tim pawlenty. mia ma lee ka hend eersohenders. another great panel my second day here. thank you for joining us. you are the political handicapper. take a listen to what portman said about the supercommittee. roll the tape. >> i think the members of the committee worked in good faith. we had fundamental differences we could not bridge. we got closer. there was still a big gap. i believe this election will be an opportunity for the presidential candidates on each side and for candidates for the house and senate to lay out their case for the american people and have the american people give washington more of a mandate to which direction to go. >> does the supercommittee's failure make the deficit one of the central issues along with

the economy and how does it play in battleground states? what do you think can come out looking good in november? >> the deficit in the economy were the top issue before the supercommittee existed. it's going to continue to be the issue. by the time we get to next summer and next fall, we are not going to talk about the supercommittee, but the economy and results. if we do the blame game back and forth, the president and democrats have more to lose. even though i want to believe that people realize we have three branches of government, the president gets the blame depending on how things are going. >> a lot of thing that is came out of the presidential candidates have blamed president obama for the supercommittee's failure. mitt romney did it yesterday in new hampshire. do you think it will fall on him into the election next year? >> i think it's going to be an example in the argument. obama was absent in the debate and he's an absent leader.

he can't get things done in washington. i think it will be another point in that argument. you have seen all the guys out there, romney, huntsman, cain making that same point. tonight, in the debate, they will make the same point about their leadership. a theme fueling this is institutional mistrust at record highs. congressional job approval could be down to 5%. fie dell castro has a 5% rating in this country now. congress is headed that way. the point is, this is a fueling what is some element of the molotov cocktail, an angry primary vote. president obama has yet to convince and his challenge to win re-election will be to maintain and rally his base. with this dysfunction junction in washington, d.c., it's a harder challenge. it makes americans put their fingers in their ears.

>> let's talk about the republican primary voter. mitt romney is on the air in new hampshire with his first ad. the white house had a problem with it over this line. take a listen and hear what the white house had to say. >> we need a rescue plan for the middle class. provide relief for homeowners. it's going to take a new direction. if we keep talking act the economy, we are going to lose. senator mccain's campaign said, and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we are going to lose. >> bill, you did some work for mr. romney back in 2007 there. was that disengeneral would you say for him to put that on obama? >> they put out a release. this isn't the first time in political advertising a clip is used to make a point, which is what they are doing here. i'm not sure i understand why president obama chose to go to new hampshire. it's allowed the romney campaign

to mobilize their troops and do a warm up dress rehearsal for the activities coming down the line. the ad is going to drive the news of the day. it centers on this president. portraying the solutions romney has. look, there are nuances here. that's part of the game. >> yeah. >> i'm sure the romney campaign is not losing sleep over the fact the democrats don't like it. >> the thing i found interesting about this ad, it's trying to present obama as a flip-flopper. it's kind of the argument everyone used against mitt romney. does he risk trying to use his main attack ad be no, no he's the flip-flopper when folks think it's his worst trait? >> i think there's risk there. as long as romney keeps the focus on obama and have this election be a referendum on obama, the better. the more he presents stories, did he or did he not flip-flop, it works for romney.

>> democrats, they were all over this last night, sending out press releases calling mitt romney this morning a serial deceiver because of this ad. i think the word, this whole idea of nuance, it's mitt romney's problem. the idea you need a road map on re-enactment and footnote to understand where he is. with this ad, you need this press release to understand what they are trying to do. most viewers look at it and think it's actually obama who said those words. >> we'll give you a chance to . who was the first president to pardon a turkey? harry truman was answered incorrectly. the tradition dates back to 1947 when the national turkey federation gave him a turkey, but it was destined for the holiday table. president kennedy is believed to be the first president to pardon

a turkey. in 1963, he chose to spare what the l.a. times called it, a 55 pound broad white tom rather than have him for dinner. the tom was spared. thus, the tradition was born. we'll be right back. you are watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. hey buddy, wattaya lookin' a-oooh. ♪ [ female announcer ] mini™ meets berries. kellogg's® frosted mini-wheats cereal with a touch of fruit in the middle. helloooooo fruit in the middle. aflac... and major medical? major medical, boyyyy! [ beatboxing ] ♪ i help pay the doctor ♪ ain't that enough for you? ♪ there are things major medical doesn't do. aflac! pays cash so we don't have to fret.

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let's bring back our all-star panel now. phil musser, nia-malika henderson and nathan gonzalez. nia, we saw this in your blog yesterday. newt gingrich has -- it would be what mike called the newt gingrich stimulus plan about child labor laws. let's take a listen to what he said at harvard yesterday. oh, sorry. he said this. it is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods in trapping children first of all in child laws that are truly the most stupid. most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized jani r

janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. phil, would that work with the stimulus program? >> look, i'm paid to give advice, not give commentary on janitorial services for schoolchildren. newt's going to have a lot of creative ideas, he's got a lot of creative genius, and this is the latest of that. >> creative? yeah, i mean, creative is one way to talk about this idea. i mean, it would be funny if it weren't so serious. i have visions of little orphan annie thinking about this. but i think in some ways it's the return of newt gingrich the grinch. he was parodied on the cover of "time" many years ago as this mean-spirited guy. and that's what in some ways i think people see when he says oh, we should put the poor kids to work cleaning their own schools. it does resonate with some tea party voters who want bold ideas. >> it certainly is a bold idea. he's not afraid to say it. it's going to resonate. >> in fairness, he did say he's not for these kids dropping out

of school. he wants them to work 20 hours a week. >> michele bachmann on "jimmy fallon" talking about name recognition. let's hear what she had to say about some of the candidates. >> romney. >> hair. no, just a minute. >> you can't use more than one word. do you have another one? >> vice president. >> obama. >> finished. >> ooh. whoa! >> be nice. >> whoa! >> perry. >> that's not what one word. i've got to do three. >> governor, texas -- i can't remember the third one. >> last one. bachmann. >> president. >> so michelle buie bachmann po fun at rick perry, seemed pretty comfortable on fallon's show. not necessarily what the media has -- or she says the media has

made her out to be, off kilter. she was a normal, comfortable on the set. >> i admit, i actually watched it live last night. she seemed very normal. they were talking about thanksgiving traditions. she was warm, engaging and i think for those -- maybe the few people that stayed up that late to watch it or see the clips, i think she came off as very personable. and i think that matters to the presidential electorate. >> thanks for watching msnbc. we have shameless plugs real quick. phil? >> shameless plug is cousin carly swanberg and fiancee charlie and my friend megan fitzpatrick finished a 13-mile, 32 obstacle course through ice and shock for wounded warriors. >> great organization. nia? >> my cousin trina gardner is celebrating her birthday today. i'm told she is 28. i have my doubts about that. but happy birthday nonetheless. >> 28 forever. >> yes. >> and you have a prop? >> i do. last night our softball team category 5 took home a fourth

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and a very goo mod morning you. i'm richard lui. starting off with another super failure for congress and what's worse, most people are not even surprised. nearly 70% of people surveyed for a new poll had no confidence the super committee would reach a deal to cut the deficit. one reporter told "the new york times" "the real news would be