as the brits call, we have an issue. i noticed earlier today on the noon show with alex wagner, looked beautiful, very charismatic. you know who she is? >> i do. >> don't disrespect herç just because she's the daughter of andrew lloyd weber. >> i'm not disrespecting that. >> people's identity is greater than their ancestry. >> you're being slightly hyper-sensitive, but we'll proceed. >> i am that way sometimes. >> occasionally. >> i noticed you came to me and said this, you said, dillon -- you had a lot of folks on your show today. >> correct. >> you said the only show allowed to steal your contributors is mine. and what are these other shows? [ laughter ] >> what makes you think you have the special right to do that, martin? >> because we have a cordial -- occasionally cordial, occasionally ram bung shous

relationship and i'm prepared to share some of our goodies you do. >> i've just given you a minute of my tv show. >> listen, dillon, do you have a problem? do you have a problem with good guests being given extended air time on this network? >> i have no problem. in fact, i can't think of a problem if i had to. other than -- thank you. >> all right. big story today, throw them all out. good afternoon to you. nice to see you. super committee has officially failed. we're not going crazy over this one. we honestly probably aren't that surprised by it. ultimately it's something that's going to cost all of us. it won't cost them because they have it set up where they keep themselves in tact and we all suffer horribly for it. it's great for them, horrible for us. lawmakers are hoping the deal would have an extended payroll

tax cut set to expire next month. without it the average family going to see $1,000ç missing fm their paychecks next year because these folks can't get it together. >> next year we're going to take a simple vote if they vote no again, simple family's taxes will go up. do you want to raise taxes on 160 million americans during the holida holidays? >> probably not. rich keep getting richer. as we discussed platinum citi n citizenship that exists in this country. one set of rules for rich people and one set for everybody else. the center for responsive politics says 47% of congress members are millionaires compare today 1% of us, generally 58 members of congress are said to be in the 1% specifically. that's mathematical fact, not opinion. roll call says jumped 25% since 2008 which was the beginning of the largest financial crisis in our history since the great depression. interesting that is. have you seen your net worth

jump 25% since the greatest financial crisis since the great depression? probably not. some speculate that a good chunk of that upside of being a washington, d.c. politician, remember gordon gek koe? inside trading. i'm going to do a little something-something on the side. illegal trading on nonpublic information. sent martha stew art to jail. if you're a member of congress, totally legal. it's a perk. platinum citizenship. you are 100% exempt from insider trading laws, plus you are privy to all of the goods. you make the policies that effect financial markets. after accepting the bribes from the special interest to do it. we spoke last week with disgraced lobbiest, jack ç abramo abramoff. now the e committee scheduling hears how insider trading laws

impact or in this case don't impact congress incomprehensible, someone with a history of financial restricted at bloomberg, all of my colleagues. everybody i talk to as a source on wall street. work at merrill lynch, restricted. restricted. restricted. and people making policy, no restriction. we start with peter swietser, his new book explos insider tra on the hill. the book called "throw them all out." send the rest of us to jail. peter, delight to see you. i mention the restrictions that my colleagues and at cnbc before that and all my various sources and in the financial sources have been and continue to be under give me a sense of things you can get away with congress and imagine congress is a publicly traded company and the politicians are board members. >> well, let's pretend for a minute, dillon, that you're sitting down at at board meeting and the korngs hasn't been doing

well. there are a lot of rumors about how bad is it going to be. you sit down in this meeting and they say dylan, this is a board meeting, secret, closed. check your cell phones at the door. listen, it's really bad. we're looking at losing 25% valuation on our stocks. don't tell anybody. don't let anybody know. this report's going to come out in a few days. >> okay. >> if you go out the next day -- >> as a board member as a board member. go up in value if the decline we discussed at the board meeting was to happen. >> exactly. >> what would happen to me? >> well, if you were caught, it's called insider trading and you would go to jail. >> so if i was in the board meeting -- listen, it's widely speculated publicly traded companies going to heck, but i'm in the board and i know it's going so i put on

he gets a briefing on september 18, 2008, from the fed chairman and the treasury secretary. like the chairman and ceos. >> okay. >> and they tell them, look, this sort of financial problem is going to be really bad. it's going to be apock liptic. >> okay. >> based on what paulson says at that meeting, everybody is ashen face. they're so stunned. spencer goes out the next day and buys pro share ultra. >> you're talking chinese. we're on msnbc. they don't care. it's a speculative -- a leveraged speculative position on a decline in the stock market. >> yes. >> now spencer says his rebuttal to your book i'm going to read a quote from him "the book's insidious allegation that i personally profited from non-public information is a total lie. calling you a liar. >> yep. >> "the idea i or anyone else needed this meeting to know that our financial markets were in trouble is just laughable". >> right.

it's pretty remarkable because at this meeting they were not to bring cell phones. and the dow at this time was still at 11,400. >> let's go back to your publicly traded company. i'm on the board. it is widely speculated that the publicly traded company is going to have a big problem. >> uh-huh. >> and i, spencer, am saying, yes, listen, everybody knew america had a problem. back when i was on the board and knew it, doesn't matter. why doesn't that hold water? >> because the laws are very clear. this happened, by the way to enron executives. everybody knew enron was going down. yeah, but the executives before one of the quarterly reports sold a bunch of stock. they ended up doingç jail time >> because they actually knew. >> that's right. and they had specifics. and it was material information related to the health of the company. so this is a huge distinction. the fact is there's so much that goes on in washington that effects markets, effects health of companies. >> because of the auction in money and politics. >> exactly. they can pass laws. there can be a small line in se a piece of health care

legislation can have a huge effect on the health of pharmaceutical companies. they can and do trade on information and they do very well. >> how is it that financial professionals themselves at the banks themselves are forced into all sorts of compliance for the management of their personal accounts. >> yep. >> how is it that financial journalists at bloomberg, cnbc, i'm sure at the wall street journal and i would imagine quite honestly at reuters and all the other financial homes of financial journalism. >> right. >> have all sorts of restrictions on what can and cannot be done. and yet the people that are actually making the policy while accepting money at auction from special interests, are they actually exempted from insider trading law? >> yeah. that's effectively what it is. >> effectively or really? >> it's not written as an exemption, but the s.e.c. has declared this is not material non-public information. they're not at any liberty to have to keep that information. >> and they're allow today trade on it. >> absolutely. and what really it's akin to is allowing -- we would never allow a professional athlete to trade or bet on a game they were

determining the outcome of. that's what's going on here. it's really the only class of people in america that are allowed to do this. not corporate executives. >> not financial journalists. >> not judges. judges can't do this. it's the political class in washington. people from both sides are doing this. they're getting rich skbl sgl no wonder they'll do anything to keep their job including selling our entire country down the river. >> that's exactly right. >> it's an absolute pleasure. this is one of the more if you want one, they've probably got one. and unemployment rate less than 3%. you heard that right. in america. plus we found a group of lawmakers more dysfunctional than our congress. i'm not sure if they're into the

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we are back with another major development in the push to get money out of politics. the momentum as you can see not only on our own list at 251 and change, but across this country

millions of folks are having this exact same conversation in their own particular way as we grow stronger by the day now that we have teamed with the folks at united republic and at least some in washington are responding. in fact, i would say the volume is louder than it's been in a long time. congressman has joined free speech for people. introducing what they call the people's rights amendment that would say corporations aren't people. think about the protest billboard that says if a corporation -- i'll believe a corporation is a person when texas kills one. kind of come from that school. we're joined by the congressman today along with the organization's director. the two of you believe corporations are not people to the effect that you want to legislate that clarity. congressman, i know that john has been advocating this for some time, why didç you decide now is the time and this is the way to go about it? >> because the first three words of constitution are we the people. not we the corporations or we the special interests. and over the last couple of

decades we're seeing court cases that have provided corporations with the same rights as people. and in some cases more rights. and i've seen the ugly influence of big money in politics. i think it's time to get money out of politics and to not afford corporations the same rights as people. >> the statistic that gets everybody worked up and it should 94% of the time person raids the most money wins the election. that's an auction, not an election. john, why is the distinction between corporations and people so -- how will that help us separate money from politics? >> because the central question facing america today is whether we're going to lift up the promise of we the people or allow corporations to effectively dominate. to unleash corporate general treasury funds into our general election drowning out ordinary citizen voices.

we need, as you know dylan, we almost must deal with the corporate rights problem. they do not breathe, they do not think. they do not have a conscience. we create them and govern them. not the other way around. >> i want to ask you a question that i know you and i have discussed in the past, john, but congressman, i would love to get your thoughts on this as well. a lot of folks in this conversation around corporations are not people, other people as you know, john, we've talked about money is not speech. as long as money is speech, it doesn't matter, you're always going to have money in the political system. i e-mailedç lawrence this morng on this. and he offered the following thought. he said, listen, if corporations are not people, they can't give money anymore, right? the result of that as he argues it is this,.05% of all americans max out any political contributions. only one quarter of 1% of american people give over $200. those people would have a vastly

disproportionate influence within a system where only they have influence in a nutshell by eliminating corporate person hood do you not basically empower really wealthy people to give $200 to everybody which is really still only a quarter of a percent of the american population. congressman. >> yeah. there are a couple of problems here. i agree with you. i don't think money should be free speech. but what i have seen as a result of this citizens united case is that more corporate money and more corporate influence is being -- is going into campaigns than ever before. >> we're all seeing that. we're all seeing that. >> right. people want to know why washington is dealing with, you know, why we can't cut some of these corporate tax loopholes or go after some of these sweetheart deals corporations have. the reason why is all this money going into the system. >> but that doesn't answer my question. i still have a quarter of a percent, john, of all americans. i've eliminated questions which

i applause, right, but i still have .26% of everybody in america providing the money, at least the vast majority of money to politicians and that is less than 1% -- 75% less, how do we avoid creating a totally disproportionate skew towards rich people away from rich corporations in this process? >> well, to be clear,ç overturning corporate personhood and insuring that corporations cannot spend their general treasury funds in our elections is not going to make things disproportionately worse. it's going to make them much, much better. we also need to deal with the interests of wealthy power -- wealthy people having an ability to influence our process irrespective of corporations. we need to deal with both problems. it's not either or. but the fact is corporations have way too much power in our society today. our democracy and our government. and we need to take our country back. it involves overturning

corporate personhood and also involves getting money out of politics. they're all together. >> got it. listen, i got to say that i was inspired when i saw the quarter million signatures come to the get money out petition. and i'm even more inspired as i've watched you, congressman, you, john, and so many others continue to escalate the volume and pressure to make this the number one issue in america in 2012 and not the number two issue. i appreciate your efforts and engagement in that regard. thank you, guys. >> thank you, dylan. we encourage you to go to peoplesrightsamendment.org to learn more about this particular amendment. i want to turn our attention to the thursday megapanel. talk about what they just heard. quickly, joyour thoughts here. >> i like a lot of it. i like the fact corporations are not people. >> just a second, we have to do both, we don't have to do them at the same time. we can do corporations are not people, how do you respond to

that? >> my response to that is corporations aren't people, however under the way that amendment is drafted it says the following, if you have $200 in your pocket, you are the wealthy person can give that to karen for congress, right? you can give it allç up. all 535 and their opponents, right? >> uh-huh. >> if you're 82-year-old grandmother from iowa -- >> people with money -- >> right. the country club is smaller, but it's still a country club. >> that's all it is. >> by the way, the amendment doesn't hit labor unions. >> i got it. and we're going to come back for this. listen, it's almost thanksgiving. it is totally awesome that we are in a situation where they've got an amendment, simmons has an amendment. >> yes. >> all these different amendments. we're talking about it and that makes me happy. let's talk about something else for the moment. apparently someone else is upset about those trade deals. watch this. no joke. out of south korea. a south korean politician threw tear gas powder in parliament.

it happened when the ruling party lawmakers forced a surprise session to approve, yes, those rigged u.s. trade deals. the tear gas man was opposed to the deal, which ultimately passed 151-7. if you need to refresh your memory, this is one of those deals where we give money to south korea to hire north korean slaves to make things for us. it's good for all of us. who doesn't want to do that deal? it's an obvious deal. anyway, do you feel a little better about our congress? you can always feel a little better when you watch somebody else really go off the deep end. >> our guys do that in effect to each other, they're just polite about it. >> it's a good thing you can be the have guns on the floor of the house and senate. >> i think that guy was a security guard and then they -- >> that was -- we shouldn't joke. it's terrible. but it is a good jek.

security guard at davis got a job in southç korean parliamen. >> i can trade in tear gas. >> yeah. free trading ideas in parliament. >> that's what americans do. >> you know all the tear gas being thrown in egypt. >> made in america. >> and the bullets. >> richard eng l is going to be on the the show later. getting money out of politics, the first step to getting a debate we have to make it our first issue. not our second issue. one of the topics we cover in our upcoming book right now on dylan ratigan.com, a review from a man former federal banking regulator. on the one he's a friend so a bias to be nice but on the other hand he's a former banking regulator so he can be a real hard guy. take a look at the review. the panel sticks with us. next the man widely regarded as

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our specialist totd today is the only non-economist to earn a nobel price in economics. he's a non-economist who did it. one-up to all of us. his studies on the machinery of the mind explain how the world and our mind simply does not match up with the world as it actually exists. think about things in your head and things out here. we make irrational decisions because of that gap. daniel is a professor of psychology at princeton and a best-selling author. his book "thinking fast and slow" like chewing gum and doing something else, is out now. professor, pleasure. >> my pleasure to be here. >> we have had a number of folks come through and really try to

explain to us, for instance, how much does it matter? how matters. the way you do things is more determinative than the outcome itself. in other words, the way you manage risk, the way you relate to these things, walk us through the human -- what that gap is between the human mind and the actual ability to evaluate risk. >> well, in general, you know, the world in our minds is simpler than the world out there. we have a narrativeç that we he a story. we build a story what the world is like and we act accordingly. and we have much too much confidence in that story. so people end uptaking risks in many cases because they don't know the alternatives they're facing. >> susan, go ahead. >> when you talk about the fast and slow thinking, the methodical thinking versus gambling thinking if you will, does it separate when you think of someone like a scientist versus an artist?

does it play out differently? >> i wasn't thinking along those lines because within each of our minds there are those two modes of thinking. when i say two plus two, you think four automatically. you don't have to compute it. if i say 17 times 24, you've got to compute it. so that's the first is fast thinking, the second is slow thinking. we all have both. >> so we each have the narrative that we live our lives by, but invariably things change that are in accordance with the narrative that perhaps we expected. i would say that what we're seeing in congress suggests we don't learn from those changes and mistakes, we keep making them. but yet some people do learn from mistakes. how does that factor into our thinking? >> well, it's true that people learn less from what happens to them than perhaps they might. we keep our stories as in tact as possible. when something happens that

surprises us, in the first place, we deny the surprise. people don't accept that they're surprised. and we tend to be -- to keep if we have an idea or an ie deology, we tend to stick to it. and people really do not move their opinions much. not only true for congress, it's true for all of us. >> you're saying people areç stubborn? >> yeah. i'm saying they're not listening. they're interpreting the world. they have an interpretation, they stick to it. >> is this a self-preservation thing? what do you think is the origin of the human narrative and human story we all create, all of us, and the difficulty that we have in reconciling that narrative with whatever is happening outside of our heads. >> well, you know, having a narrative and having an interpretation, that's part of the way the mind works. it's not necessarily for preservation or anything else. the mind is set up to generate those stories. you present people with anything, they'll make the best story possible out of it.

and it's not necessarily that -- and different people looking at the same thing will not make the same story. the story they construct depends on their prior believes and depends on what they want. it also depends on a lot of things they're not even aware of. >> go ahead, jim. >> all right. i buy all that. but here's my question. what makes people -- what makes some people -- what gives some people the ability to deal with pressure and with hardship, et cetera, et cetera, more easily than others who can't? and then take that and sort of then tell me when -- like congress, right, you've got people on the right and people on the left. and they have ied logical believes and political believes, but what makes them think that way? we had someone on the other day said my brain controls everything, said my brain may be gay, he gave some answer, yes. okay. great. how does the brain differentiate between people who can handle it

and people who can't? >> that's a pretty sharp distinction. they handle it or cannot handle it, some people are born much more resilient than others and can cope with stress betterç tn others. >> so it's dna. >> dna has a lot to do with it. early upbringing has a lot to do with it. being stubborn is something else. in general when you start believing in something, that becomes part of your world and part of your identity. and you fit anything that happens into that story. >> but that's learned behavior, correct? >> that is learned behavior. certainly when you look -- >> bigotry is learned behavior. love is learned behavior. >> well, i mean, we have a propensity for bigotry and we have a propensity for love. and we have a tendency to treat members of other groups very differently from the way we treat our own. >> but we also have a propensity to change and learn from our mistakes or learn from -- right? doesn't that happen as you get older? >> he's smiling.

>> i know. >> hope springs eternal. >> that was going through my mind. we learn slowly. >> that's sad. >> and when we have fixed believes, you know, like iedology, people in congress do not learn all that -- you know, they don't train their mind. you can just watch it. there is a political conversation you don't really expect people to change their mind mid-conversation. >> what strikes me as part of this i think about as someone in politics, part of my job as a communicator is to tell a story about a candidate, about a rationale about an issue, what have you. part of the way we try to bring people to our side is to tell that story in a way where they can see themselves in that story. so in that way, does that mean we're manipulating the things that feel familiar to them rather than confronting them? >> well, i mean, that's the way that people talk to each other. there is very little difference between talking to somebody

trying to conr'ce them of something and manipulating. you're appealing to emotions. and you're appealing to simple ideas that people have. and that's the way we convince each other. that's the way the world is done. >> we're about to run out of clock. but at the end of the day, what are we to do with this information? >> the information -- >> yeah. >> in that book? you know, i was trying to educate gossip. i was trying to get people to look at the judgments and decisions of other people and be critical because i don't believe that people can be critical of themselves. >> got it. >> but i do believe that how they think about others can be improved. >> so basically i should be more skeptical of these guys? >> yeah. you know, i mean, you may learn some of their bias. >> by being skeptical, can't you learn something -- >> yeah. >> you will learn from others around you being skeptical more than you will learn by becoming skeptical. >> oh. >> teach us a lot about markets.

>> nice to see you. have a good holiday. good to see all of you as well. >> happy thanksgiving. >> next, we are off to egypt for a live report. richard in tahrir square. tens of thousands now protesting in excess of 100,000 at its peak. this time it's against the military. after this. let's go to vegas. alright, let's do it. let's do it, let's go to vegas.

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fourth straight day of bloody protests in egypt's tahrir square. massive crowds continue to show up for what has been dubbed the million-man march demanding that the egyptian military hand over the government to civilians. excuse me. presidential elections were planned for next june. but angry protesters say they are not willing to wait. three americans were among those arrested today. accused of throwing molotov cocktails at egyptian security

forces. nbc news chief foreign correspondent, richard engel, has been there throughout this. what are the implications of the re-heating of this situation for america? >> reporter: dylan, first of all, you're the one coughing? there's been tear gas in this square all day. >> it's inexcusable. >> reporter: it is inexcusable. that's why they're here in fact, too. theç implications -- actually, something is developing right now. we can pan down. people have just started to run away from something, apparently. it's unclear why. this is happened before in the past where there will be some tear gas thrown or there will be rumors that the troops are coming in. they'll set off a small panic. people will start to charge. it seems at this stage that that was just one of these rumors that we've seen where people say something and it sets off something of a panic.

back to your original question. the implications are enormous. this is not just about egypt. the stability of the egyptian military clearly matters for the stability of this country. in fact, the military is really the only institution that is still functioning here. it also matters for the region. egypt has been a -- still some lingering confusion down there. no storming of the square. egypt has important ties across the region. it maintains a peace treaty with israel. it is often acted as a peace broker in the broader middle east. and of course the military is an ally of the united states. the u.s. gives the egyptian military about $1 billion a year in aid. and it's long been a close partner. so if the egyptian military were to collapse, it could have destabilizing effects certainly on israel, across the middle east and would put the united states in a deep conundrum because the u.s. backs both this pro-democracy movement and the egyptian military, which has long been it's partner.

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are also surging in north dakota. and joining us now from the capital of north dakota, john warford, the mayor there. and mark, an electrician that recently located from bismarck to north dakota to get what else? a job, man. mr. mayor, give us a sense of how long this has been going on. and just how robust is it. is it throughout bismarck or the whole state. give us the size and scope. >> dylan, thanks for having us on. we have and are so proud of the 2.5% unemployment. it's been going on actually since 2002 when i was first elected. but we have created 10,200ç jo here in the bismarck metro area. that's a 17% increase since that time. not only has it increased in the number of jobs, but the quality of jobs and the income that our citizens have. just last year 5% increase across the board as far as the

yearly pay that our citizens receive. so it's a vibrant robust economy that we have. it's a very diverse, we're very proud of it. but we work hard to achieve it. >> mark, you moved from arizona to north dakota. we're going to get into the weather change in a second. but before we get to that part of it, let's talk about the change in work. how have you found the market for you as a professional in north dakota compare today what you were facing back in arizona? >> it's like night and day, you know. before i even got to north dakota i had people calling me from north dakota wanting me to come out and take a look at their jobs here. it's been wonderful here. wonderful for me and my family. i have five children and a wife. work here is -- there's a lot of it. i can't say enough about it. >> and how is the adaptation from the arizona lifestyle, which i have to imagine included a certain amount of air-conditioning in the car and

in the house to the north dakota lifestyle which i imagine involves a certain amount of home heating. >> well, weather -- you know, the weather ain't too bad. 30 below to 115, ain't too bad. [ laughter ] >> we have no a.c. here. we have nothing but heaters. >> mr. mayor, have you found -- how have you found the sort of transplants if you will from places that are not -- that are climatologicallyç different. i grew up in upstate new york. 30 below sounds familiar to me. >> we celebrate our four seasons here. it's a matter of, you know, having the quality of life and a community i think that draws everybody here. and when you look at the weather, it's actually secondary. you look at the other things that we have in our community that draws the people here. obviously it's the jobs. and the quality of the jobs. but in addition to that we're

one of the safest communities in the united states. we have great recreational opportunities here. both winter and summer. we've got, you know, the golden state warriors d-league team here. we have semi-pro hockey. we have broadway plays. we've got a great civic center bringing in great acts. in fact just a few weeks ago we had elton john and carrie underwood. most people have come here come because of the jobs. and really the weather is a very, very secondary thing. >> mark, what would you say to someone in america today -- and there's no shortage of someones in america today, who are looking for work, have been looking for work, are anxious to be productive to realize their potential to have meaning in their days and the way they spend them, provide for their families, all those things that are critical about human beings and work, what would you say to folks out there that may be

entertaining a move like the one that you did? >> well, not only the jobs are great up here, the people are wonderful. they've been really, really good to us. like i said, the jobs are good, but bismarck is a great, great, great, you know, place to live in. >> the kids have been okay in 1 school? your neighbors have been all that -- the community sounds like it's probably a lot of folks moving there right now, huh? >> let's just say i can leave my car on and walk into walmart, you know. come back and my car will be there still. in arizona you couldn't do that. that tells you we have great people here. like he said, a lot of jobs. but the people are great here. really, really good people. >> and mr. mayor, what do you see as the greatest risk to this continuing? and what can you do to get in front of that? >> well, our greatest risk is that we are so successful that we want to have good growth in our community. it's so important for myself as

mayor and our city commission to make sure that the infrastructure and all the service needs, you know, are maintained along with this growth. we want to make sure that we have continued continued adequa fire protection, emergency protection. also keeping up the infrastructure, roads, streets, wastewater, fresh water, all the things that mayors are concerned with all across the united states, we want to make sure that we are doing what we can from our side of things to making sure that the quality of life is maintained through all its growth. i think that's our biggest challenge. i think we've risen to that challenge. you know, our record speaks for itself. for the last ten years, we've been dealing with this great, great robust economy that we have. it just continues on. we're just going to -- we're stepping up to it and we're up to the task. >> and what are the -- i know that you're an electrician, mark. give us a sense of the other types of jobs that folks, if you could both answer this perhaps,

what are the other types of jobs that folks that people are looking to hire for? mark? >> i wouldç say the oil fields are doing good up here. actually everybody is hiring. there's signs all over the place. and construction, grocery stores. there's just jobs all over the place here. >> it's like a modern day gold rush it sounds like, mr. mayor. it sounds like i've just got to po buy a bus ticket and there's a job at the end of the line. what a wonderful american story, especially at this point in our country. >> absolutely. there's a lot of jobs available. but i think i like to sum it up as the ambassador of bismarck, you can still achieve the american dream here in bismarck. you can have a great job, you can have a job that increases your salary each year, you can live in a safe community, you can have a great school, a safe school, as mark was saying. our schools are safe here. and we've got the quality of

life that really is what i think america is all about. we've got it here. we're a boomtown, but we are actually dealing with the growth i think in a responsible manner. >> well, listen, congratulations to both of you for really representing, i think, the american ideal, which is the aspiration and the ability to seize your own destiny, to occupy yourself, as i've been saying to people, as opposed to occupying something else and occupying yourself action you, to recognize your own potential. thank you both, mark luna who moved from arizona to north dakota and found work. you heard the story. we take a break. coming up, mitt romney's first political ad goes negative and goes after the president. why is mitt turning up the heat early in the race? bob steele and michael shrum at the tableç with chris. first, something cooked up just

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well, in the spirit of thanksgiving, here is our friend, david goodfriend on what he's thankful for on this very american holiday. >> thank you,ç dylan. thanksgiving is right around the corner so i've been working on a list of things i'm thankful for. that most american of holidays, thanksgiving is a time to take off work, join with family and friends, take stock of how much we have to be thankful for, and eat turkey. ah, the turkey. benjamin franklin once wrote to his daughter, i wish the bald eagle had not been chosen the

representative of our country. he is a bird of bad moral character. he does not get his living honestly. the turkey is in comparison a much more respectable bird, and withal a true original native of america. he is besides though a little vain and silly, a bird of courage. mr. franklin's study of eagles versus turkeys leads me to the first item on my list of things i'm thankful for this year. i am thankful for all those americans of good moral character who earn their livings honestly, people of courage. this year i want to thank all the public employees. they teach my kids, they police my streets, they put out fires in my neighborhood, they defend my country, they pick up the garbage in front of my home. lately they have been demonized by people of bad moral character. this year i'm thankful that public employees are on the job. next on my list, i'm thankful for the occupy protesters across the u.s. and the world. they have started a real

conversation about economic justice, unfair income disparity and the proper balance of democracy and capitalism unlike any time in my memory. they have given voice to a feeling shared by the vast majority of americans that our economic system works best when it works for all of us. third, i am thankful for herman cain and newt gingrich. when republicans, the party of lincoln and eisenhower, put;htj like this in the front runner status, i'm reminded of why i am a democrat. fourth, i am thankful for the green bay packers. the only undefeated team in the nfl, also is the only professional sports team owned entirely by the fans. thank you, packers, for once again showing that great performance and shared ownership go hand in hand. finally, when my family and i are eating our thanksgiving dinner, we're going to think about the care package we made for another family last weekend. this is a hard time of year for a lot of us americans who still

can't find enough work. i'm thankful for groups like martha's table here in d.c. where we go to volunteer. it helps get good meals to people down on their luck. i'm sure there's a group like it where you live so you can show your thankfulness too. so, that's my list. happy thanksgiving a couple days early, dylan. >> and in that spirit, david, as i also will not be here tomorrow, i'll begin by thanking our ranters and mega panelists and all of our other guests who make this show what it is and thank every person who has taken the time to even listen to a little bit of this program or watch it on the internet or read one of our blogs in any way to try to engage in this conversation, and i'm particularly thankful to the 251,000 people who have signed up to get money out of politics. you have inspired me this fall and reminded me quite clearly that not only am i not alone in