i don't think will adopt a policy, and i'm ready to take the heat in let's be humane, by finding a way to create legality. >> that raised some eye browse. ben white and nia malika henderson join me with reaction. nia malika, was it surprising to hear this. and is he looking toward the generality? >> in some ways it wasn't surprising for him to make this bold statement. he has talked about the importance of the latino vote, the importance of a more moderate and realistic view, so it wasn't a surprise. it is a surprise given this tripped up rick perry so badly early on. he of course had the debate where he talked about republicans possibly be heartless when they were considering that his immigration policy was bad for the country. so it is a surprise. >> definitely a different tack

there. >> i think we'll hear from some republicans this isn't the way they want the party to go on the far right, but moderate republicans were initially looking at rick perry as somebody who could close the gap. latino support is so important. president bush got 44% and the conventional wisdom is you need at least 44% to carry the white house. >> ben, you were saying you thought newt did quite well. give us your grades. >> on the immigration issue, this is newt being newt. he's saying i'm not going to change my positions. i've always had some somewhat moderate position on the deportation of illegal immigrants who have been here no a long time. >> did it surprise you? >> no, it doesn't surprise me. the selling point is i'm not mitt romney, and i'm going to be straightforwa straightforward. it may not play that well in

iowa, but newt gingrich's play is i'm the straightforward candidate, i'm the thoughtful and ideas candidate, and i think it's -- >> it may not address the hundred thousand voters making the important decision in iowa. finish out the grates? >> romney basically did well again. he always does well in these debates. he just sort of hangs around and doesn't make any mistakes, clearly is well versed, had a very articulate answer on syria. he's never going to make a big mistake. his play is i'm going to be there at the end. he gets a b-plus, but did not have a great seal the deal moment. >> nia-malika, you're pretty consistent with ben. >> i would say mostly bs around. but i think pretty pitch people stayed consistent. very much gaffe-free.

a lot of differences emerge in terms of this party. they're a party still grappling in this post-bush doctrine area. >> they're all over the map. >> when you talk about the differences within the party, i have this exchange between huntsman as well as romney. listen to this. >> are you suggesting, governor we take all our troops out next week? what's your proposal? >> did you hear what i just said? we should draw down from 100,000. we don't need 100,000 troops, many who can't even cross the wire. >> this is not time for america to cut and run. >> at the ends of the day the president is commander in chief. of course you're going to listen to the generals, but i also remember when people listened to the generals in 1967, and we heard a certain course of action in southeast asia didn't serve our interests. >> ben, cut and run, withdraw troops, what do you think? >> i think huntsman was the winner in the sense he got to draw a contrast. he's not been that sort of

aggressive guy saying this is where i differ. he got the opportunity to do that. >> consistently throughout the debate, too. >> i don't think romney was sort of off his game, but his plan was -- he was strong. he got to engage with the front-runner. >> cut and run, we haven't heard that in many years. >> it was tough talk. he needs to move somehow, and this is a way. >> nia, bachmann and perry on pakistan. listen to this. >> they've showed us time after time they can't be trusted. until pack stage clearly shows that they have america's best interests in mind, i would not send them one penny. >> with all due respect to the governor, i think that's highly naive. we have to recognize what's happening on the ground. these are nuclear weapons all across this nation. >> nia, did he get schooled

here? was that smackdown? >> it was a little smackdown, and she did it with all due respect, you're naive, sir. i think she is using her experience on the house intelligence committee in these debates. that showed in the last debate and showed here, so i think she's done herself some favors in the last debates over national security. in that instance, where she was sparring with rick perry, was able to draw a contrast with him and show that he is the governor of texas, whereas she is on the house intelligence committee, really able to look at some of these issues closely. >> interesting debate. we all watched it. happy thanksgiving to both of you. thanks for coming on. >> you too. general wesley clark is a former candidate for president and former nate f. advising the obama campaign now. which slips would you be most worried about if they were

president. >> i haven't taken position it is like this. i will tell you this. it's been very hard for all these candidates to get to the right flank of president obama in my view. i'm not part of this administration, and i think he's taken a strong, robust and centrist position. what you've seen is solid candidates trying to get to his right flank? >> who didn't do as well as others. >> you have to great these candidates based on their experience from some of the them, much is experted, and from others like herman cain, who hasn't had much experience in foreign affairs, if any, he's on a very steep learning curve. >> was that evident last night? >> from american democracy, people would have looked at this

and said, boy, those americans know what they're doing. i'm just -- i'm sorry that the super economiee couldn't project the same level of competent in governance around the world. >> general, let me play a bit of sound from condoleezza rice and twha she has said. i want your reaction on the other side. >> okay. >> i don't listen all that closely on the campaign trail to, i will do this and i will do that, because the day you arrive in the oval office, it looks different. >> looks different. >> and you find that you can't turn this aircraft carrier of american foreign policy around on a dime anyway. >> general, she makes a very specific point here. you've got oiling, you understand the realities of all that was said last night. is it a lot of posturing we heard at the end of the day last night? >> sure there's a lot of posturing, but there are some differences that were made. when connedie was in there with

the bush administration, some bold departures or bad departures from american tradition -- we didn'tdie was i the bush administration, some bold departures or bad departures from american tradition -- we didn't work with allies, we did the operation in -- i was opposed to it at the time. it does make a difference who gets elected. there's a brought trend of centrist thinking. i think this president is in that position, but he's been very tough. he sent troops in on the ground. he does support the libyan people through -- when they were -- needed protection, and we did get regime change in libya. he puts more troops into afghanistan. this is not a president about whom republican candidates can say he's soft on national.

>> general wesley clark, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> could donald trump enter the race for president, for real leer? depails. miserable weather could make traveling home for thanksgiving a nightmare. heavy rain and wind is forecasted. the northwest may also get some snow. some live pictures from detroit, pretty much snowy wet play normally. more than 200 flights already canceled. with more than 3d let's go to mike taibi. >> reporter: we're not seeing any cancellations yet here at laguardia. but it blankets -- when i left early this morning to there were sheets the rain coming down and the water was pooling and

flooding on some of the highway off-ramps. i thought this would be an ugly day. got here and the departure board is clear of that word "canceled" and the gm here said the weather is bad elsewhere, so expect some cancellations and delays. meantime there are other issues in 1234r56789 play here. you would think that because air travel is down just a bit this year you might be able to drive to an airport and get to grandma's house. don't think that's the case. the flights will be full and a little more expensive as well. big thing, check with your carrier, they always tell you to do that, and know that the tsa and airports are trying to move through. kids under 12 don't have to take their shoes off at all, and there are other ways they're trying to move people more quickly through security at least, but for now here at

laguardia, everything can be used, if i can use a mixed metaphor, smooth sailing. i'm going to go to boston later on, and there's a list of busy airports, pretty much what you would expect. i'm going to boston later on, but i'm driving. so i think it will be okay. >> happy turkey day. thanks again, mike. >> you too. it looks unsurvivable. this chopper was hovering about 15 feet off the ground, and then that, he was trying to install a christmas tree in new s.e.a.l.ant. 9 pilot was flung out of the chopper, but then fell back in as the. he survived. miraculously. no one on the ground was hurt. the penn state investigation could be growing wider. authorities investigating two new cases involving minors against former assistant coach jerry sandusky.

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in just about half an hour, a big endorsement coming for mitt romney. nbc news has learned that senator john tlun there announce his support. this is the second big gop lawmaker to get behind romney this week. last night some fun with names at the debate. first this.

>> i'm mitt romney, and yes, wolf, that's also my first name. >> well, twitter and the blogs lit up, because romney's first name is actually willard. mitt is his middle name. herman cain had a slip of his own. >> no blitz, that's oversimplifying it. i happened to believe if you allow our intelligence agencies to do their jobs, they can come up -- i'm sorry, blitz, i meant wolf, okay? >> wolf blisser. just in case you missed donald trump, he says he's still thinking about running for president. interesting timing, his new book out is december 5th, called "time to get tough." check out our facebook page for an exclusive web -- the time of selling books and running for president can be very profitable. american shoppers remain pretty tightfisted. perhaps more encouraging for

retailers this holiday season take-home pay jumped almost 0.5%, the biggest gain in seven months. only a third approve of president obama's handling of the economy, though. i'm joined by the legendary founder of the van guard group, jack bogle. i'm also joinedly lawrence it bentsen, and a member of patriotic millionaires, a group that says, please raise our taxes. jack, first you. the republican candidates squaring off on foreign policy last night, but as you know, it's the economy, stupid, as we've heard so many times. which republican candidate is best equipped here? >> i don't think any of the republican candidates are able to bend that pledge made to somebody named grover nor quist.

it's such a sweeping pledge that makes no sense in this environment, but as far as i know, all republican candidates are not going to turn away from the pledge, so unless we have tax increases to go with it -- i'm sorry? >> k48d be better of the evils, would you say? >> i think of that group up there last night, i would prefer romney. >> romney would be the one you would go with. lawrence, what's your thought? >> my thought is that it used to be we would wait until june of the year of the election to think about who was running. now it's a cottage industry, and people don't care about who's running a year from now. people care about now, and having food now, and shelter now, and a job now. >> so which of those do you think would be the best for the now looking forward? >> now the best candidates is president obama. he's the man -- >> but of the gop candidates? >> i guess romney. i don't really know much about

any of them, because i care about now. >> let's go to our good friend jack here. when you look at what's happened so far, there is the issue, of course, of what's coming up in two years. is this his economy now? is it obama's economy? or is this a vestige of the bush years. >> i've seen things that bush created, the wars over in afghanistan and iraq, as well as the tax cuts, that he's responsible for something like $600 billion of the present problems, and obama around the $300 billion level. so just mathematically, of course it's the carryover from the bush administration. >> two thirds/one third there. back to you, lawrence, as part of this discussion about the deficit and we looked at the super committee, and that they failed to come up with that

which was tasked of them, you suggested one of the solutions might be is to tax millionaires more. do you think that will work? what. >> it may not take a major chunk out of the deficit problem, but would definitely serve to pay down the interest on the foreign debt, which unfortunately our taxes are going to pay a large earp and larger percentage of. we won't have spending cuts. we'll have dwindling services. and because or taxes will be going to pay interest down. sblopt to pay interest down. i want to pay for the military to product us, for teachers, firemen and police around the united states. >> you're leading a group called please do tax us more. jack, how do you see the economy looking right now? we had a revised gdp that came

out. it was meetered down to 2%. how does it -- >> i don't think. economy will look a lot better, i'm sorry to say. 4 or 5% i think is out of the question. it's not only the u.s., of course, but the emerging markets are not doing well, which provide us with a lot of very low-cost labors in those countries. europe is reeling from the punches. they're big trading partners with the u.s., so i think it's different to get optimistic. >> let's be optimistic will thanksgiving. a good thanksgiving to both of you. thank you. >> thank you very much. in just a few minutes, president obama will pardon the thanksgiving turkey. we'll bring it to you live. and we'd like to take a moment

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james murdoch has stepped down from the boards of the parent companies of the british newspapers. just the latest fallout from the ongoing inquiry. michelle ka zinz can i is live with more. >> hi, this is interesting, but how significant it really will be in terms of the company. it's not going to be huge. that's because what we now know, starting in september, james murdoch has not been in charge of the immediate parent companies, as some of these

newspapers that have been under inquiry, taking flack amid this large-scale hacking scandal in the british press. among these newspapers owned by rupert murdoch, he as not been in charge of those immediate companies. he did step down from those. that's a change. there have been calls for him to step down from the company as a whole since all of this really blew up. he is, though, still in charge of news international which owns they british companies, include ultimately the newspaper, so he's taking the intermediate step from removing himself from those operations, but he's still in charge of the bigger company news international. does that make sense? most recently we saw james mural dahl testify before a parliament subcommittee for the second time. lawmakers actually called him back after he testified for the first time, because some former executives at the "news of the

world" which is now defunct said they believed his initial testimony was incorrect. they allege he was not fully telling the truth, which he continues to deny, but it's been a situation of damned if he did, damned if he didn't. lawmakers were asking him, did you know that hacking at these newspapers could have been widespread. he said no, absolutely not. then the question became, if you didn't know and this hacking happened on your watch, why didn't you know? now, we see some change in his responsibilities within the company. richard? >> michelle kosinski, thank you very much for the latest. to an annual tradition at the white house, the pardoning of the national turkey. beal have that live. and also live pictures from dallas, texas. travel and weather together next. you know why they call it black friday?

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white house for any minute president obama will pardon the national thanksgiving turkey. and the president's holiday plans. we turn to nbc's kristin welker. always a fun time during the year, right, kristin? >> reporter: it certainly is. i love how the turkey is patiently waiting. this is a time-honored tradition here at the white house. in just a few machines, the president will pardon liberty and peace. they were raised in minnesota. what's interesting, they were raised in minnesota by the minnesota turkey growers association, which got about 100 different submissions for possible names for these birds. a lot of the submissions came from young children. now, these turkeys have a pretty good deal, richard. after the pardoning ceremony, they head to mt. vernon, where

they'll be on display through the holidays, and then they'll get to live out their time there. so it's certainly not a bad gig. it's hard to tell how far back this tradition really goes. some people think it goes all the way back to truman, who potential pardoned a turkey back in 1945, though there are no official documents to really confirm that. the next president we can sort of date back to is john f. kennedy, who apparently spared a turkey in 1963. so a bit of historical context for you there, richard. as for the first family, they will, once in service is over later on this afternoon, they'll participate in a service event together, and then they will really celebrate thanksgiving traditionally here at the white house with family and friends. richard? >> all right, christian, we'll keep an eye on the turkey there. when the president comes out, we will go back to the picture, look with the two secret service officers perhaps keeping an eye on liberty.

in massachusetts as much as 2 inches of rain will make a bad situation worse on the turnpike t nbc's rob motf is at a rest stop along farming ham, michigan. how are the roords from your perspective? >> reporter: good morning these folks are able to hit the speed limit at this point. that will change in a few hours' time, as people leave from work early today, kids are coming home from school, heading out to their destinations for the thanksgiving holiday. you mentioned 42.5 million people expected to travel. 90% of those will be on the road across this country traveling.

there are two storm systems making for some pretty interesting travel in the northwest, from portland up into seattle there's a storm system there. then for the most part the entire stretch of i-95 from florida up into maine, has some precipitation to deal with. in northern new england, it is snow. they're expecting up to a foot of snow across vermont, new hampshire and maine. folks heading up that way probably should get on the road right now to get away from those conditions. or take more precautions as you make we're way. in massachusetts they have allowed the state workers working on projects to have the rest of the weekend off. they don't want them out there with all this rain and traffic. it's going to be a messy, nasty day to get to thanksgiving day holiday weekend started. it's going to clear up for tomorrow and into black friday. so we're looking forward to a good weekend here and across most of the country, rich afford. >> as always, thanks again, ron.

the nationwide occupy protests that demand more from the wealthiest americans is actually costing taxpayers. at least $13 million in police overtime and other municipal services. in los angeles, however, occupy protesters may be leave their city hall camps by next week as they considered a package of incentives to end their demonstration. in d.c., protesters will hold a day of action and plan to shut down part of the city to protest. lawmakers failing to reach a deal. form you are new jersey governor and u.s. senator jon corzine has been called to testify better congress about the collapse of mf global, the financial firm he edded until the stunning collapse last month. the trustee says as much as $1.2 billion may be missing of customer moifr. oregon's governor says he

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straight to the president pardoning the thanks give turkey. >> hello, everybody. well, it is wonderful to see all of you here today. happy thanks giving. welcome to the white house. tomorrow is one of the best days of the year to be an american. it's a day to count or blessings, spend time with the ones we love, enjoy great food and great company, but also one of the worst days of the year to be a turkey. they don't have it so good. the rare exception, of course, are the two birds who have joined me today. now, is peace here or just liberty? liberty is here, but peace is back here somewhere. some of you may know that recently i've been taking a series of executive actions that don't require congressional

approval. will, here's another one. we can't wait to pardon these turkeys. literally. otherwise, they would end up next to the mashed potatoes and stuffing. i want to thank richard hyzinga, the chairman of the national turkey federation and his wonderful family for donating this turkey from his farm in willmar, minnesota. the turkey's name is liberty, along with his understudy named peace, he has the distinction of being the luckiest bird on the face of the earth. right now he's also probably one of the most confused. liberty was chofb from a flock of about 30 other contestants for the honor of being here today, and for the first time in history, these two turkeys were raised by four students from nearby willmar high school.

i'm told in order to repare them for their big day, the students exposed them to loud noises and flashbulbs so they would be ready to face the white house press corps. this is actually true. they also received the most important part of their media training, which involves learning how to gobble without really saying anything. so liberty is ready for his turn in the spotlight, and after he finishes a round of cable hits and a few sunday shows, he's going to retire to a life of leisure at mt. vernon, the same place where george washington spent his golden years. later today, michelle, malia, sasha and i will be taking two unnamed turkeys who weren't so

lucky, taking them to a food bank for those in need. a great writer once called thanksgiving the one day that is ours, the one days that is purely american. when we gather around our tables tomorrow to share the fruits of our blessings, let's remember what that means. let's be grateful for what we have, let's be mindful of those who have less. let's appreciate those who hold a special place in our lives and make sure that they know it, and let's think about those who can't spend the holiday with their loved ones, especially the members of our military serving overseas. i'd like to thank all our men and women in uniform and their families for their incredible service and devotion. that's what being an american is all about. even when times are tough, we look out for each other, we lift each other up and remind

ourselves how lucky we are here together in the greatest country on earth. so from our family to yours, i want to wish everybody a wonderful and happy and healthy thanksgiving, and now, since liberty and peace have been so patient, it is my privilege to grant them the official pardon. and i'm going to -- i've got to give them a little symbol. all right? what do you think? are we ready? all right. here we go. all right. are you all right there, liberty? okay. i like doing this. you are hereby pardoned. give him a round of applause. there you have it, the pardon of the national thanksgiving turkey, the 64th

annual presentation, including the obama kids. it is time to fact check the gop statements from the debate last night. always a pleasure, bill. let's get straight to it. >> what steve jobs said to president obama, he had said to president obama that he had to move a great deal of his operation over to china, because he couldn't find 30,000 engineers to be able to do the work that needed to be done. >> what's your call? >> we give that one a true on the truth ometer. if you're watching the debate you might have had the reaction really? 30,000? but instead that's documented very thoroughly in walter isaacson's biography. jobs was frail at that meeting, earlier this years. jobs made it clear that that is a problem, in fact president

obama has since then often said to his aides, that that's an important goal. so true on the truth-o-meter. the sanctioning on iran. that was the topic. here's rick perry's ideas. >> when you sanction the iranian central bank, that will shut down that economy. at that point in time, they truly have to deal with the united states. how does it score? >> that's a half-true. we talked to some experts, the question on whether sanctioning the bank would instead shut down the economy. a couple wrinkle, one is it would be different to get other countries to go along with it, and the bigger question, would it shut down the commit, so we gave it a half true. >> something we've heard before from mitt romney. we'll play the tape. >> president obama apologizes for america. it is time for us to be strong. >> what do you think? >> we gave that one a pants on

fire when we looked at it earlier. this has been a common line for mitt romney. he has said repeatedly that obama has apologized for america, particularly in his early speeches. we looked at them in detail, shared with experts, and he didn't really apologize. he was spelling out his differences in diplomatic policy. he never actually said i'm sorry. so not an apology. pants on fire for that one. >> bill le dare, always a pleasure. >> thanks, richard. happy thanks given eve is trending on twitter. so the tweet today, i'm thankful for humanity. if it wasn't for humans, there wouldn't be blackberry cobbler. and the last opportunity for you to scoot off to the local liquor store to get your deal with the family whiskey. and hope everyone drives safe and be careful. we know a place where tossing and turning

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