tv Lockup Wabash MSNBC December 2, 2011 9:00pm-10:00pm PST
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to me, this place is dr. frankenstein and we are the monsters. >> one of the state's most infamous inmates tries to convince the prison officials he's changed. >> that sounds like a threat. >> it's water under a bridge. >> corrections officials investigate a potential escape plot. >> do you understand why we have concern with an inmate having an 11 foot rope.
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>> there is nothing for me to do. >> we have given cameras to the inmates to tell their own stories. >> it's me, the stone. >> and one of them is a familiar face. >> going to stoney land. >> oh, no. >> how are you going to deal with the bunch of punks challenging you? >> sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me. on the western edge of southern indiana is the wabash valley town of carlisle where main street conjures images of a by gone era and besides the daily passing of a csx freight
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lining, this one-light town might be all but forgotten. just a couple miles down u.s. 41, however, is evidence that carlisle is anything but forgotten. >> it's two and a half hours away from anywhere. it's in the middle of nowhere. what going on out here? prison. that's what goes on out here. >> surrounded by little else but big skies, the wabash valley correctional facility houses more than 2,000 convicted felons, including some of the highest security prisoners in the state. it's a fortress among farms. >> we have a total of seven towers blanketing the facility including one tower in the sterp of our south yard. we have two sets of fences all the way around the facility. the inner fence is a nonlethal stun fence. the outside fence, another 14 foot fence covered with razor ribbon. shaker alarm on the motion
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detector. in between the fences. we think the perimeter is secure for us. >> security is tight inside the perimeter as well. especially in the secured confinement unit which houses the prison's most violent and disruptive inmates. internal affairs investigator frank littlejohn has been called to the unit to determine if escape paraphernalia has been found inside a cell. >> last night an officer looked inside a cell and observed a sculpture object or like a dummy which is escape paraphernalia. so they conducted a shakedown of the cell. and in that cell search they found an 11-foot rope. when you put the rope with the face that gives concerns that the guy might be planning an escape. >> this here is the head that removed from the cell.
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and this here is the rope. and it looks like an intertwined sheet that was braided together. it is about 11 feet long that was also removed from the cell. if he was to get outside of a cell and have this covered up and a body like object in the cell the staff might walk by if the lighting is bad and at first glance looking through a cell door it could possibly be somebody laying there when it is this. >> the inmate in whose cell the items were found is a nigerian born ottowabigby. man serving 38 years for the armed robbery and battery of two other nigerian immigrants and his record inside prison is troubling. >> he has a violent history. assaults on staff, possession of weapons. he is a serious risk to the facility. >> sit right here. what was found in your cell right now. >> it was a sculpture of i was
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making of my son and i was skipping the rope. i was using it as jump rope, my skipping rope for my high blood pressure. >> what was the rope made from? >> i don't know. i guess from a clothes. i use that as the skipping rope. >> did you make the rope? >> no. >> how long ago was that? >> a couple of months ago. when they moved someone out of there. >> you had the rope two months. >> he says he got the rope off the range a couple months ago. >> the head isn't as big of a concern. the rope is what is concerning. and he said it was for exercises. but i'm not buying that. do you understand why we are concerned with an 11-foot rope? >> i don't know what the concern is right now. whatever it is, it's got nothing to do with escape. >> did you know you are not allowed to have a rope. >> where am i going? >> with an 11 foot rope, you can
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climb with it. >> i'm in a secure dorm. >> i have been in here several years and i have had offenders climb with a rope in the secure unit. he has an assaultive history on staff. it could be used to hang somebody, to choke somebody. it could be to climb a fence. there is multiple things this could be done with that would not be a good thing for us. >> he is placed in a separate holding cell while a team of corrections officers assemble to search his cell again more closely than the last time. >> we've got a ball-peen hammers to tap on the blocks to make sure that nobody's trying to get through the cell wall. >> start on this side and i'll start on this side. just start going around the room. >> we are just making sure they're not trying to get
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through the bricks. make sure we don't have soft spots. when we do shakedowns like this we look through all their books and paperwork see if we can find snitch notes or kites. we get a lot of our information. >> sometimes they like to hide them in the bible. they will stick them in the middle usually right in here. >> officials find no other escape paraphernalia in the cell. >> right now he is pinning a class b conduct report for what was found in his cell last night. >> without knowing his intentions, you just never know if it's an arts and crafts issue or in two weeks from now could we look for him on the streets with this thing in his bed. coming up -- >> if you make the wrong choice, it has consequences. >> one of the most infamous inmates in indiana starts a new life at wabash. and later, bigbee investigation takes a surprising turn.
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most of the inmates at indiana's wabash valley correctional facility measure their sentences not in years but in decades. it is a lot of time to think about the fast. so prison officials allowed us to give some inmates personal cameras to record some of those thoughts in the privacy of their cells. >> don't worry about people think you're a coward. best to walk away and have another day than to stand strong and end up wrong. words never hurt you. what people thinks never hurts you. losing your freedom, losing your life. losing your family, that's what hurts you.
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>> james stone has been incarcerated for the past 26 years and still has a long haul ahead of him. >> i have another 50 years to do. and i think it's more or less an overkill. i mean, 26 years it doesn't matter if you done the crime or didn't do the crime. guilty or not guilty. none of that matters anymore. 26 years is enough time for anyone. i've done more time than guys are doing for murder unless they're on death row and there's no murder involved in my case. attempted murder, come on really. i don't let it get me down. sometimes i do lose my cool and i'll snap off at someone but then i'm cool. >> we first met stone three years earlier during our extended stay shoot at indiana
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state prison. >> it's a glamour job but someone's got the do it. >> when stone first came to prison, he was an admitted thug who fought frequently. but the james stone we met considered himself a changed man thanks to indiana state prison's cat adoption program. >> he's my buddy. he's more dependable than anything i got in here. he takes away the anger and temper and makes it easier to cope in here. >> stone has been at wabash for a year and a half ago now. >> i've talked to guys coming here from all other prisons saying you're the cat man. i'm like dude really? best thing i can do is say i'm him, meow, see you later. >> the transfer occurred after a staff member reported stone had threatened him. stone denies the allegation but the bigger concern is leaving his cat behind.
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>> they don't allow cats down here, so i couldn't bring him with me. that was a big heart break separation there. i raised the little sucker. >> just before his transfer he gave the cat to an inmate. >> i did like an indian commercial. you know, the tear coming out i didn't want to let go of my little buddy. >> but at wabash stone has found another animal to take under his wing. >> i have a bunny out back. i throw him a couple apples to keep him fed. he has been here the whole year and a half. i open the window. he'd be sitting out there by the fence the whole time. he's like clockwork. i don't know what he likes about the area unless it's me feeding him. apples, cookies, coffee case. he's a sophisticated rabbit. you know what i'm saying? i'll have him on some water
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melon hooch. >> like stone inmate christopher trotter has been behind bars since the mid 1980s. >> i came into prison to serve a four-year prison sentence for petty theft. i came in with four years and ended up with 142 years. that's what could happen in prison if you make the wrong choice. it has consequences. >> the wrong choice trotter refers to was being one of the instigators of a 1985 riot at another indiana prison. seven corrections officers were stabbed and two others and a counsellor were held hostage for 15 hours. >> it was a massive riot and chris trotter was one of the main players in that. since then, trotter's done his share to maintain his image of
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that. >> trotter maintained he was defending another inmate from abusive staff. >> some were stabbed and some were beat up and some went to court and overexaggerated their wounds. >> the judge in the case saw nothing to laugh about. >> i was found guilty of one count of attempted murder, one battery, four counts of criminal confinement, and one count of rioting. and i was sentenced to 142 years. i was like, wow. most violence is spontaneous. that's what that was. it was spontaneous. one incident led to something else led to something else led to something else but it is never the solution. >> trotter has been in prison for 26 years. due to his role in the riot and disciplinary problems he has spent 16 of the years in the secured confinement unit. >> due to his behaviors in the past, trafficking, extortions,
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intimidations. we consider him to be a risk to our safety therefore he was placed on administrative segregation. >> trotter has spent many years in confinement reading and writing. he has found meaning in mary shelley's "frankenstein." >> as i child i always watched the movie "frankenstein." and i read that one and i was like hey. i started to look at the monster differently. i was who is really the monster. to me this place is dr. frankenstein and we are the monsters. i call this the belly of the beast. we're the outcast. we're the forgotten. in my spare time i like to write and i have been contemplating writing a book. i started out like this. frankenstein, the moment you created me, you condemned me, rejected me, crucified and despised me.
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abandoned me emotionally, unleashed the very hell in me. often overlooked stepped upon crushed, no one stops to notice that my movements are poetic. my stride is determined. my love is unconditional. my spirit is free. although i'm a monster, there is a soul inside of me. >> i do not believe there is an employee in the indiana department of correction in any state facility that does not know the name christopher trotter. >> beverly gilmore is the confinement unit's case manager. one of her responsibilities is to evaluate trotter's ability to return peacefully to general population. >> i know the notoriety of offender trotter very notorious. i believe he has aged out of that immaturity.
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he has developed good communication skills, good social skills. it's yes, ma'am, no, ma'am to me. it's not fake. i can tell when it's fake. i believe he will be ready for general population before long. however, there are so many more people above me that will also have the input and have known him so much longer than i have. so i'll have to respect whatever their recommendations will be. >> i'd rather not see him come out. i don't think he's changed. he's going to hurt somebody. >> lieutenant gary mcmillen has been at wabash for the past 16 years. >> this is my opinion. he's a violent individual. >> they may look at it like everybody's still a potential threat. but am i a threat? no. >> coming up -- >> my biggest concern about being inside is getting in trouble. >> fresh from the youth unit an
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there's no hard labor here. and makes it sort of hard to keeping yourself in shape. you see a lot of guys that's been here after two or three or more years and they get that couch potato look on them, you know, hang gut and all that there sagging everywhere. me? i like to try to keep myself in shape. >> at indiana's maximum security wabash valley correctional facility most inmates work out on the yard or inside on the weight machines. but not james stone. >> i have 16 work outs using the bag and the box. >> after 26 years in prison, stone has developed a workout routine he can do inside the cell.
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>> water bottles. getting it closed is the problem. one set of everything every day until i burn out. i do them until i can't do them no more. and i record it each day. then the next day, my goal is to do one more better than i did the day before. you can't get it out there at rec. there are too many people in the closed area and the weights are not real weights. i like lifting something to where you concentrate on the weight, work your body. not work out with training wheels. but it back here behind like so. after you get to a number that's just unbelievable, then you start walking around wearing a cape because you're like superman which i ain't reached that level yet. i'm still in the bat cave. you know what i mean? >> stone who was convicted of attempted murder won't be
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eligible for patrol for another 25 years. he could spend the rest of his life in prison. he says his workout is designed to prepare him just in case he is released. >> rotate around like i'm working on a loading dock or something. call it a workers' workout. that why if i do get out, job ain't going to kill me. i'm ready for it. when you get to be my age you got the stay in shape. that way when the guys half my age want to mess with the old man it ain't my fault. >> there is always a new guy or two arriving on stone's unit every week. for some it's just a short walk from a special unit at wabash for minors who have been convicted as adult. miles folsom has been in the youth unit for two years but today is his 18th birthday. and his first day in the big
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house. he is serving 36 years for armed robbery, criminal confinement and burglary. >> it's a little nerve-racking. you don't know nobody. it's a lot bigger of a side. most of the people are my father's age, you know. i never thought in my wildest dreams i would ever come to prison. never thought about prison. it sounds kind of stupid from my standpoint. looking back at the things i was doing if i would have thought about it there was no way i couldn't have not ended up in prison. i have been in trouble since i was nine. repeatedly, acts of violation, vandalism, things like theft. you know, the police know me. and they were sick and tired of me. they took everything and slapped it on me. >> folsom was 15 when he was tried as an adult when he was convicted on his latest set of convictions.
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>> this is my newspaper article. the heading says reign of terror comes to end. court of circuit court judge sentenced folsom to 36 years behind bar. denied his request to be in a therapeutic program. you are a very dangerous young man harper said. >> the charges revolve about the brutal beating of an acquaintance he believed stole his ipod. >> we got in his truck because it was cold and i started banging his head off the window repeatedly. i was real high on cocaine. like it is really like a fog. and i got really angry. and i guess i did some pretty good damage banging his head off the window. the judge was strict giving me the 36 years. i hope it was her trying to slap me in the face to wake up. truthfully i was lost. >> folsom completed his g.e.d. at the youth unit. he plans to pursue a college degree from prison.
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and hopes to earn time off his sentence by holding down the job. >> my biggest concern being on this side is getting in trouble. i hope no one tries testing me. i used to be a violent person. i ain't that person no more. i don't want to revert to that. >> with good behavior, folsom may only have to serve 18 of his 36 year sentence. making his 18th birthday an even more significant milestone. >> this can of pop, a special occasion. it doesn't happen every day. sometimes it's hard to keep hope. sometimes it's easy to fall into negativity especially in the juvenile block when there are so many kids that just don't care. it took getting 36 years to wake me up to realize that's not what i want to do that it's not a game no more. coming up -- >> just hit a man while you're down. >> james stone is challenged by the new kid on the block.
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dangerous and disruptive are housed in the secured confinement unit. most inmates here have assaulted staff or other offenders and are now held in windowless single-man cells 23 hours a day. they take their meals alone and phone calls made once a week are made from the isolation of their cells. >> in this confinement unit, we have to deliver all of their services. i try to make contact with every one of my offenders at least once a week. that's all 144 of them. >> case manager beverly gilmore is the link to the rest of the world for many confinement inmates. >> i came from the south. i was so protected and so green when i came here. and when i started learning more about the needs of offender population i thought why can't i be an advocate for them?
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>> tell me i'm the best. >> yeah. >> on a daily basis, they'll send letters to me or notes requesting information, maybe complaining or some of them just telling me to have a nice day, ms. gilmore. that's nice. it's better than getting cussed out. >> one of gilmore's inmates is lukuman aderibigbe. >> i'll say lukuman you okay mon? and says oh i'm okay m o n. when i understand him. he gets to talking fast. >> despite gilmore's efforts, he has been a challenge for corrections staff. >> his acting out has been extreme such as maybe he didn't get an apple for his lunch or an officer or anyone will be happy
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to get the apple and take it to him but he would react to that by banging and throwing things to the point where the response team would have to go in and take him to the ground. he's a strong little dude too. >> he'll throw stuff. he'll throw poop and feces. he's done a bit of everything. >> when he's like that ms. gilmore cannot calm him down. i think i'm a bit of a momma substitute to him. and i can usually say would you talk to your momma that way. and it usually -- you know? >> aderibigbe found himself in a different kind of trouble when an 11 foot rope and the sculpture of a head were found inside his cell. raising concerns about a possible escape attempt. he says they were for exercise and recreation. after further review, internal affairs investigator frank
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little john says that it seems to support his story. >> with his history of violence that's landed him not only in prison but in a lockdown unit where he's separated from the population because of his assaultive history, you can't never take anything that appears innocent as face value. >> the rope was taken away but he was given permission to keep sculpting. >> his african art has been instrumental in controlling his anger. it's beautifully done. >> everything is made from newspaper and water and i mix with the soap. so now you can see what it turns to. this is just the beginning right here. so once i'm done making it i have to let it set for, like, two days before i put a painting on it. this is coffee with soap and a little bit of hot water. i use that for the paint for the sculpture i am making so far. it feel good.
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it keeps me from stressing, from thinking of negative stuff. i'm getting out of trouble. >> it gives him an outlet. i'm proud of him for that. >> once everything is done it will come out and look real beautiful and real great. miles folsom has found a constructive way to spend his time in prison. he was given a job in one of the prison's industrial shops which makes electronics for businesses in indiana. >> they send a lot of things through here to be made. but i'm sure this wire harness is for the light in a vending machine. i have been working for a week and a half now. 7:00 in the morning, come down here and work until 3:00 in the afternoon. it's not bad. >> folsom hopes after a few years of good behavior, he'll be able to file an appeal to have his sentence reduced. >> i'll be able to say i've been
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working. earning money and stayed out of trouble this many years. i don't want to stay here. i got plans and goals and looking to get out and go for them. >> but folsom's goals are dependent on his ability to stay out of trouble, which in prison isn't always easy. >> i stay reserved no matter what. you never want to put yourself on the line. when something hits the fan you are left out to dry. you are just hanging there. these people don't care about you. >> there is one inmate whose advice folsom values. >> one of the few i talk to, i call him stone. he has been down a long time. if you look at his record that is not someone who wants to stay out of trouble you would want to hang around with. zblu really the guys that have been in trouble before that have been down 20, 30 years they came in at my age. they took that path at my time and don't want me taking the path. they are guiding me the right way. >> going to stoneyland. >> taking you to stoneyland.
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>> look at that little vein. what the hell? you have a vein popping out, dude. you know that? your brain. he's gone. you ready? >> i've been ready. >> don't depend on others. that's how i made it 26 years. i don't depend on nobody. a lot of these cats might seem cool but they ain't cool. >> there's a lot of jomos and homos too. >> you got a bunch of those in here. you got your peepee men in here too. if you have questions or someone wants to run his mouth don't jump out there like a fool and end up with your ass on lockup. let us know and we'll take it to them ourselves. do it the hard way or the easy way. they'll go the easy way. >> i appreciate it. >> on one condition, quit beating my ass in handball.
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let a [ bleep ] win sometimes. >> ball. >> supposed to be the master teaching the grasshopper and now i'm the larva. what the hell is up with that? >> it's easy to fall into trouble. people will say something smart. if i was on the street, i would be so messed up that there would be no thinking about it. i would just blow and someone would get hurt. now you can't do that. i mean, that's not normal. you have to control yourself. >> he's young. he's got a long ways to go. i was in the same boat. you know? i used to do the same stuff. but at least he's got a chance. at least he's got a chance to get back out there. that's what he's got the think of. screws up he's like me and done lost everything.
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you know? >> even his handball game. >> he's got to go there. just hit a man while he's down. >> old man nothing. if i had an s right there. that's right. it means stone. >> it means sucks. >> james stone. that's it. >> stone sucks. >> hey, sir. >> coming up. >> some staff here in this unit have recommended you to release. and some haven't. >> christopher trotter makes his case for returning to general population. >> nobody said kill the police or anything like that. i'm not in here for killing the police. he just took it out of context. sweet & salty nut bars... they're made from whole roasted nuts and dipped in creamy peanut butter, making your craving for a sweet & salty bar irresistible, by nature valley.
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at indiana's wabash valley correctional facility, inmates that have committed violent acts or otherwise deemed safety threats are housed in windowless single-man cells in the confinement unit. they are allowed one hour a day for recreation. >> sometimes we come out here and say blessed. it's sunny today. >> when weather permits, inmates may spend that hour outdoors although they are contained in a single man metal enclosure. >> i ain't good at basketball. but in africa we play soccer. today, i'm happy to come out here and see the sun, smile. you know. this the only time you come out, get everything off your chest. once i go back to that room, it's like a nightmare. >> having spent the last nine years and 16 of the last 28 years in confinement,
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christopher trotter values every moment outside. >> okay. this is what i call the old man workout. this is how we do it. one -- i haven't lost touch with humanity. i refuse to lose touch with humanity. when you lose that, that's it. that's it. when you let this place strip you, that's it. >> one -- >> trotter recently filed a request to be transferred from confinement back to general population where he would have considerably more freedom. >> five, six, seven -- >> because he was at the center of a 1985 riot one of the most violent incidents in the history of the indiana state prison system, the request must be approved by multiple levels of administration. including wabash's superintendent, dick brown. >> i'm coming down to talk to chris trotter. he asked to be released from
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administrative segregation. i'm coming to speak with him about that review. he will be meeting with two others and myself. >> hello. hi sir, how you doing. haven't seen you in a long time. >> it's been a long time. >> yeah it's been a long time. >> some staff have recommended you to be released from the segregation. some staff hasn't. okay? so with that being said, it's now in my hands to make a recommendation to central office. >> though trotter has shown improvement one of the first things that superintendent brown wants to address is a conduct report he received several months earlier. >> trotter started saying over and over f the police and kill the police. that sounds like a threat to me. >> that that wasn't it. we were working out together on the range and we had our little chin after the workout. he just took it out of context. nobody said kill the police or anything like that.
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i'm not in here for killing police and i didn't kill the police. he took it out of context and it was basically to discourage us from further showing a sign of unity. >> someone approaches me and states if i'm going to kill me -- >> he was up in the pod. i'm way in cell 6. he was up in the pod. how can he determine who said what. >> you have a distinctive voice. do you not? >> i'm saying several of us. several people with the same thing. let me say this, in 1985 when i was involved in that prison riot, i don't regret it for the simple fact is this. i felt that i was doing the right thing in my hearts of hearts. i wasn't committing a crime i was preventing a crime. but am i remorseful? yes. for the simple fact is people got hurt.
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not just staff, not just prisoners but families. so i'm remorseful in that sense. and what did i do about it? i haven't involved myself in anything since then. >> you know that if you go out in general population, this new generation is going to want to challenge the infamous christopher trotter. how in the world are you going to deal with the bunch of punks coming up challenging you? >> first off, stick and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. so i don't care what you say. you know. as long as you don't put your hands on me we all right. i haven't had no situation with nobody. i mean nobody, none. the only situation when i first came here i was here a month without my personal property. and i dealt with that in a good manner.
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>> you dealt in that with a loud manner. i remember. >> i got a tame tongue. not an untamed tongue. seriously. >> you think highly of yourself. >> that's the difference. >> i would like to see christopher trotter go back to general population because of the length of time he has been in segregation. but should he go? i'm so thankful i'm not making that decision. >> bottom line here is we're at. it is up to me to make that recommendation. some staff here in this unit have recommended you be released and some haven't. >> i'd like to know who haven't? >> you are not going to know who did and didn't. the important thing to know is it is in my hands right now. so it doesn't matter what the other staff recommended. it's up to me now. the responsibility is at my level. i appreciate your time. that concludes the questions i had for you. >> thanks so much. >> thank you. appreciate it. >> unfortunately if i make the
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wrong decision here and recommend he is released and something happens that burden is upon my shoulders. coming up james stone reaches out to an old friend. >> do you time with the cat for 15 years and you just miss having them around. brad, where we going? just a second. just, just one second. ♪ what are you looking at? don't look up there. why are you looking up? ♪ get outta the car. get outta the car. ♪ are you ok? the... get in the car. get in the car! [ male announcer ] the epa estimated 42 mpg highway chevy cruze eco. from spending time together, to spending your lives together, chevy runs deep.
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this here's one of the best meals we have in the menu, the taco. and we still ain't figured what the meat is. we narrowed the meat down to alpacas or guineas or a combination of both. >> james stone's humorous perspective has helped him survive 26 years. in some of indiana's toughest maximum security prisons. >> i stay in stoneyland.
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i don't need a psych therapist. i don't need medication. i [ bleep ] a lot. i'm not saying i'm a saint. i'm far from a saint. that's probably why i'm still alive today i should have been dead several times ago but heaven doesn't want me and hell's afraid i'll take over. i'm stuck on the planet. >> but stone has not resigned himself to life at wabash valley. he has requested a transfer back to the prison he used to be housed, indiana state. >> they didn't have a problem moving me out. i don't see why it'd be a big problem moving me back up there now. >> the motivation for the transfer is to reunite with his cat. >> when i feel like i'm about to do go do something stupid you look at the betty davis eyes and think this guy depends on me. i got to take care of him. >> he received the cat as part
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of a program at indiana state but he has to leave him behind when he was transferred to wabash. for the first several weeks, the cat lived with another inmate. but then he moved out to the country. he was adopted by stone's parents. >> he's something else. he's not used to carpeting. and claw furniture. everything was claws. i mean he clawed up carpet, everything else. but, it was worth it because it was jim's. >> some people might not quite understand it. but my family we view our pets as family members. so you know, this was sort of like jim's kid. >> talk about your daddy. yeah. >> it's really, really hard for me to talk about jim. i love him so much. when he was a little boy, he loved to go for these walks. and we'd go for a long walk. he'd give out and i'd put him on
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my shoulders and bring him on in. i'm 69 years old and my worst fear is i'll never get to walk through the woods with him. jim would love it out here. he's such an outdoorsman. one of the reasons we got this place. it's everything that he would want. >> we all miss him. yeah. every day. there's not a day that goes by that i don't think of my brother. we'd just love to see him home. >> but for now, stone's family and his old friend communicate regularly by phone. >> i call home every once in a while since i couldn't bring him here with me. my family's got a speakerphone. >> to accept the call press zero. go ahead with your call. >> hello? >> hi, jim. >> everybody doing all right? >> when he is in a room i will holler for him.
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jinkster. i don't know what that means but i got it from a tarzan movie. when i holler it to him, his fat ass stampedes to. >> he's there, jim. >> [ meowing ] when i give the cat call he starts purring and stuff. what's up little buddy? >> talk to papa. >> talk to jim. >> [ purring ] >> dad all right? >> he got his tail going 90 miles per hour. >> you can hear him purring real loud into it. so he might have forgot who i am but he knows the call. >> well, tell everyone i said hello. >> okay. love you. >> you all be good. >> okay. >> bye-bye.
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>> you miss your papa? yeah. >> i miss my buddy. when you do time with a cat for 15 years you miss having them around. you know, but, yeah i said i hope i get out of here so i can pick him back up. >> not a whole lot everything i know to say except if you are out there jinkster and you're looking at the tv, it's my little feller. [ meowing ] you know what that means little feller. my little fur ball buddy. hopefully i'll get out there soon. you can show me what the free world's about.
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